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PERSPECTIVES:
Analysis of the New Papacy of Benedict XVI
April 22, 2005 Episode no. 834
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BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: Kim and I want to invite analysis now of Pope Benedict's election and its implications from John-Peter Pham, a former Vatican aide and diplomat, now a faculty member at James Madison University in Harrisonburg, Virginia. He's the author of HEIRS OF THE FISHERMAN, a book about papal succession, and he joins us today from New York. Also David Gibson, a religion journalist and author of THE COMING CATHOLIC CHURCH. He joins us from Rome.
Welcome to you both. John-Peter Pham, what do you expect now in the way of changes, if any, from Pope Benedict?

Dr. JOHN PETER PHAM (Professor, James Madison University): Well, the conventional analysis is there is going to be a great deal of continuity. Joseph Ratzinger was John Paul II's closest theological collaborator. John Paul referred to him by name in his most recent book as "my trusted friend." On the other hand, I think there is going to be a change in style, and that's to be expected. Every pope reinvents himself upon election and in a way reinvents the papacy, and that's part of the genius of the institution. So, I think there's going to be a shift in emphasis. Benedict's career up to date and his writings -- even a few days before the late pope's death he gave a conference, interestingly enough, at Subiaco, Benedict the abbot's first monastery. And, there he gave a conference which was very pessimistic about the future of Christianity, in fact of religiosity in Europe, and [he] places emphasis on this civilizational aspect, where John Paul was very much open and engaging of the world. So, there's going to be a change in style. A lot of the substance will remain the same, but this happens.
ABERNETHY: And, David Gibson, what do you foresee?
DAVID GIBSON (Author, "The Coming Catholic Church"): Yes, I absolutely think there will be a change in style that goes in two directions. I think, obviously, Benedict XVI will be different from Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. That's simply the way it works. He had the worst job in Christendom, you might say, for 24 years, and, he has this long paper trail and video trail of regular interviews he gave. He's been defined by that job so much -- "God's Rottweiler" people called him quite often as the theological enforcer. Now he's the supreme pastor, and you've already seen a more, I think, softer tone. It's just natural. There's a redefining going on that comes with this job. But, it's also very much of a different style, even if he is perhaps softening his image or trying to redefine himself. He's also much different from the man he succeeded. He's much different from John Paul II. So there's a lower, I think, energy and in some ways a lower profile -- celebrity profile -- but maybe a higher focus on some of the ideas that John-Peter mentioned.
KIM LAWTON: Well, John-Peter, how do you expect that to play out practically for people in the pews, if there's this difference in style? Will people -- Catholics in the pews -- feel that?
Dr. PHAM: Well, I think so. I think they're -- but it remains to be seen how they relate to the new Pope Benedict XVI. There was the sense of John Paul being media savvy and using his travels as well as the media to -- and we saw this at his funeral -- the outpouring of grief from very ordinary people who felt a direct relationship to him. It remains to be seen how that relationship continues or changes with the new pope, and his relations with them. On specific issues, I think the new pope has in the past spoken of a need for perhaps a stricter adherence to doctrine, to tradition, and [that] perhaps it's better to have a smaller community of more faithful Catholics than a broad Church that encompasses many individuals who perhaps are not willing to ascribe or cannot ascribe or adhere to the full range of standards and teachings.
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ABERNETHY: David Gibson, do you go along with that -- more theology, less emphasis on the social teachings?
Mr. GIBSON: Yeah, I think so. Well, that seems to be the case. I was just struck really by how much in the event at Subiaco that John-Peter mentioned, and then also at the Mass that -- well, then Cardinal Ratzinger and soon to be Pope Benedict XVI -- presided over just before the cardinals processed into the Sistine Chapel for the conclave, where he really focused on the -- very sternly again -- on the modern world and the dangers of de-Christianization and secularism and what he called the "dictatorship of moral relativism." That clearly struck a chord with the cardinals. They all mentioned how well he handled himself, how clear he was in ideas. And so, I think there -- you know, again, he's a man, he's a theologian. John Paul II was so much a pastor first. Benedict XVI goes to the heart through the head. Will that connect with people? This is going to be a papacy of ideas, I think, very much, and perhaps a battleground of ideas. And how will that play out with people who may be, especially in America, may be very much on the fence, especially after these last few years of scandal and crisis?
LAWTON: John-Peter, what did now Pope Benedict mean when he talked about this "dictatorship of relativism" that David referred to?
Dr. PHAM: Well, I think there are two levels to the answer. On one level, every religious tradition proposes itself as "the truth" -- the standard against which all else must be measured. So, it's natural to expect a religious leader to speak against relativism or any softening of that standard. On the other hand, I think when then Cardinal Ratzinger spoke about it, and throughout his theological career, what he meant was something a little different. He meant within Catholicism that there are certain truths that have to be held. And this is, I guess, at the heart of the dispute within Catholicism -- what are those essential truths? And he defined them rather broadly and expected adherence on a whole range of issues. Other Catholics would argue the essentials are Jesus Christ, the Trinity, the unity of the Church, the nature and essentiality of the sacrament. And then other issues -- social concerns, sexual issues and others -- while part of the Catholic tradition, are not of the same weight as those other questions.
ABERNETHY: But David Gibson, would you expect for Americans, especially American women, who very much wanted -- many of them very much wanted to see changes in some of the social teachings. They cannot look forward to that? Would that be your judgment?
Mr. GIBSON: Well, judging by what Benedict, as Cardinal Ratzinger, as we've known him all these years, I think a lot of American women who are looking for some real changes are certainly going to be disappointed. He's also -- there are some paradoxes here. I mean his very stern streak, I think, that's directed often towards Catholics and the modern world is also directed inwardly towards the Church. He spoke in these very powerful Good Friday meditations that the dying pope deputized him to give, before Easter, about the "filth" that had entered the Church, even in the priesthood. And advocates for sexual abuse victims, for example, and lay leaders in the Church who have worked on behalf of trying to clean up after the scandal are actually very happy with how he's signaled that he wants to take a stern line on those issues. So, there's going to be very much of a mixed bag, and it's going to be fascinating to see this drama of man becoming a pope as it develops.
ABERNETHY: Many thanks to religion writer David Gibson and to John-Peter Pham of James Madison University.
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Related Links:
The Guardian: Christian Europe RIP by Timothy Garton Ash, April 21, 2005
First Things: "Joseph Ratzinger, Christ's Donkey" by Richard John Neuhaus, January 1999
Boston Globe: "Benedict retains team of last pope" by Stephen Heuser, April 22, 2005
Washington Post: Test for an Unbending Pope by E.J. Dionne Jr., April 20, 2005
Washington Post: Cardinal Ratzinger's Challenge by E.J. Dionne Jr., April 19, 2005
National Review: Culture in Crisis by Michael Novak, April 19, 2005
Reuters: "Arch-conservative German elected pope" by Philip Pullella and Crispian Balmer, April 19, 2005
Catholic News Service: "Pope Benedict one of the most respected, controversial theologians," April 19, 2005
Washington Post: Cardinal Ratzinger's Homily from Papal Funeral, April 8, 2005
Commonweal: Who is Benedict XVI?
Lecture by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger at St. Patrick's Seminary, February 1999
National Catholic Reporter: Church in Transition
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