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INTERVIEW:
John Pitsikalis
September 9, 2005    Episode no. 902
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Read more of Kim Lawton's interview with John Pitsikalis, president of the board of St. Nicholas Church in New York:

Photo of JOHN PITSIKALIS My grandfather was one of the founders of the church back in 1916. In fact, the first services for St. Nicholas were held in a dining room of a hotel my grandfather owned. He was in the travel business, and they would use that dining room every Sunday for services. In 1922, we acquired an old home on Cedar Street that became our church. It was built in the 1830s -- very small, very intimate. I grew up in Brooklyn, but every Holy Week I would spend the whole week at St. Nicholas. My grandfather would take us to the city, and we would have the services, and our services are quite long. Every night we'd be there three, four hours for the services, for Easter. My earliest memories are St. Nicholas Church. To a lot of people's standards, it would be a poor church; it didn't have a lot. But it was really like home. It was a wonderful place. It was a strong community that moved out of the area in the 1930s, '40s, and '50s but that still would go there for holidays. It was very special.

My grandfather and his brothers came to the New York City area around 1904 from the Midwest, and downtown was the center of the shipping community. That's also where the ships would come in, bringing the new immigrants. We had two hotels, one on Morris Street and the one on Cedar Street. Immigrants would get off the boat and they would be met by my grandfather's brothers, who would bring them over to the hotel, and they would stay there till they got their trains to go out to, let's say, Ogden, Utah, to work on the railroads or whatever. A very strong Greek community built up there. On that street downtown we had Greek businesses, restaurants, markets. It was a thriving Orthodox community. There were also Syrians living in the area, and it was very nice.

Battery Tunnel was built, and that's when the Syrian community moved out of the area and came to Brooklyn -- Atlantic Avenue. It was changing, it was -- I hate to say it, I don't want to say it was dying out, [but] there was a period of time when we had very few members going to St. Nicholas. There would be Sundays when there would maybe be 10 or 15 people. It was kind of small. But then in 1971 or '72 our current priest and his family came to our church, and they were building up the community. People who hadn't any connection with St. Nicholas were starting to come to the church because it was a really charming little place. It was very beautiful. With the building of the Battery Park City area, people were moving in who were either Greek Orthodox or Russian Orthodox and were looking for a church in the neighborhood. I moved to the area to be near St. Nicholas. I moved to Battery Park City, and I lived about four blocks away. These young kids who worked on Wall Street were coming to our church.

Even though we didn't have so many people on Sundays for a period of time, Wednesdays were amazing, because we would open our church every Wednesday from 11 o'clock to 3 o'clock [for people] who were not necessarily Greek Orthodox but who just wanted a place of solitude and maybe to contemplate for a little bit. The church was actually quite crowded every Wednesday. I would take time off of work and volunteer my time and open up the church one Wednesday a month. We took turns; there would be someone there every Wednesday, and we made a lot of friends. People would come then also on Sunday. They'd get to know the church and feel comfortable with us.

When you closed the door to the church, and you came in, you had liturgical music playing on a tape, the candles were burning, and people were just sitting in this low-lit room, contemplating. After an hour, when their lunch was over, they'd leave, and they had a new zest in them. It was really a very special place. I know I go to church on Sunday no matter what's been going on all week. I always feel better when I leave. I think people were getting that on Wednesday. They were getting their religious high on Wednesday. It was an oasis. With the hubbub outside, once you came into the church, that small, frail building, once you closed the doors, you didn't hear anything outside. We got so much out of it.

I was a member of the church board for a few years before 9/11. It was a very simple operation. We had the church, we had weddings, christenings, but during the week it was rather quiet. We just had a service on Sunday, and we were open on Wednesday. The first Wednesday of the month Father John would come to the church and do a service and that always had a big crowd. Father John is very personable, charismatic man; he's like everybody's dad or older brother. We always had a good group come in. I would take off one Wednesday a month to be there. I would take a vacation day to come.

We had 70 families on the books as paid members. Some of them lived in Connecticut, some lived in New Jersey, and they'd come on holidays. But on a regular basis, we had a number of people coming Sundays; it was a tiny church, but it was full on Sundays because people were moving to the area. Even if they weren't paid members of the church, they'd come, light a candle, and sit for a while on Sunday, and it was growing; it was growing very well. And it had a special feel to it. ... It's a very warm place, St. Nicholas.

Thank God no one died on that day in our church. We had some people working in the church. Thank God they had the sense to run. I probably would have stayed in the building. It was a big loss to us. The wife of our former priest said to me, "John, we're going to rebuild that church and it's going to be better than before." I was devastated, but here was this lady, 90 years old, who had seen the world and said, "We're going to go on and we're going to be rebuild and it's going to be fine." That's given me a lot of strength.

That day was a nightmare. I was working in downtown Brooklyn; I was a federal agent. To be honest with you, I thought the whole country was being attacked. It was very spotty. I had to walk four hours from my office to my relatives in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, in that smoke and ash with my co-workers, because I couldn't go home. My apartment was right at the World Trade Center area, and we had no phone service. But I thought everything would be okay at St. Nicholas. I knew the towers came down, but I just couldn't imagine that the church would be destroyed. The debris from the South Tower literally pancaked our church. It was an unbelievable amount of debris. Very few things were ever found.

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The next day I was able to reach the other board members, who told me the church was gone. It was the loss of life that really was the unbearable part. But losing that -- you know, you always need your faith in hard times, and here when I want to go to church, my church is gone. But we regrouped. We met at a church in Washington Heights, St. Spyridon, that Sunday and for a number of Sundays, until there was a vacancy in downtown Brooklyn at a church for our priest. He came to St. Constantine and Helen Cathedral in downtown Brooklyn, and we've been there since November 2001. They absorbed us into their community. It's really a very kind congregation.

The Greek sailing community has always had a love for our church. ... It wasn't that we needed a lot of money -- maybe it was a paint job, some work done on the exterior of the building, but that group of men in the shipping industry here in New York would give us a check and cover us. ... Just a few weeks after 9/11 we set up committees to rebuild St. Nicholas Church. We had fund-raising efforts, which have been successful. We've let members of the Greek community know that, even though our church was destroyed that day, the congregation is still active, and it was going to take part in rebuilding the downtown area. We weren't going to leave that part of New York. We never for one moment thought of relocating our church. We were going to stay where we were founded.

Just before 9/11 we bought a safe the size of a small refrigerator. Why we bought it I'm not sure, but we kept our relics in there. We had some relics of St. Nicholas and some other saints, and that was lost. We had some very old icons. They were destroyed. But we do have a piece of the original altar, a piece of the marble. And we have a small brass bell that was inside the church -- damaged, but we have it. We have two icons, and we have some candles that the heat fused together. These things are very special to us. We lost our Bible, but we're happy for what we've got. Maybe it went up to heaven with them. Maybe that's what it was necessary to do.

I just want to say one thing. Whenever we talk about our church, the first thing Father John says is about those people who died that day. These were people who went to work. These were people who were beginning their lives. [After 9/11] I moved out of the area because there were posters all over: "If you've seen my wife," "If you've seen my son. ..." The one that stays in my mind was this picture of a young girl -- she was a physician working downtown -- that her mother put up, asking someone to please contact her if they see her daughter. I just couldn't take it after that. I had to leave the area at that point. Those who died that day -- that's the thing we shouldn't forget. We always pray for them. Father John in our services always remembers those people.

Besides being our parish or our community, [St. Nicholas Church is] a memorial to those who died. We're the one religious institution that got destroyed by terrorists in America, and we want people to feel comfortable to come in, regardless of what faith they have. Even if they have no faith, if they just need a place to sit and get a little solitude and gather their thoughts, they're certainly welcome to sit in our church.

I wish [9/11] was something that didn't happen, but it's a fact. I just want [the church] to be a refuge for the families. Anyone who comes to pay their respects in the area, you just get quiet when you go there. I couldn't even go back to the site until April 2002. I would go back to my apartment, but I would never look in the direction of the World Trade Center. It's a very, very spiritual experience being down there, when you think of those really, really marvelous people who died that day -- very brave people, the firemen, the police officers. I have a female friend who lives out in Long Island. She drove to the city and worked in the morgue for three days as a volunteer. I wish I had done something like that. Maybe it would be easier for me now.

We have the piece of property on Cedar Street. Another party owns the whole block other than our church. In order for us to rebuild, we have to wait for the transition of that property to the federal agencies that will be controlling the area. Then they will mark out where our church is going to be rebuilt. We've been asked, for certain reasons, to move our property. We will still be on the same block but in a different location, because they will be building tunnels to bring material into the World Trade Center, and where our church was is a key place. We want to work with the authorities, so we said, "Fine, as long as we can rebuild in that area." If we have to move a certain number of feet, it's not going to be an issue. But that has to be done, and then they have to make some sort of protective wall underneath the church, in case there's anything happening in the future in those tunnels. That's what's taking the time right now, the transition of the property from the individuals to our church.

As long as we can build a good church, it's a wait but it's understandable. Everybody we've dealt with -- the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, Governor Pataki's office, the mayor's office, and other agencies -- has been so kind to us and worked with us. We've been kept informed of what's going on, and we understand. We're all in the same boat, and we want to build everything right. We don't want to rush. We want to do what's best for New York also.

We lost a key member of our parish recently at the age of 95, the mother-in-law of our priest who was the wife of a priest. It would have been nice if, when she left here, it was through our church. She didn't get to see the church built, and that's sad. We do have a lot of older members, and they're getting frustrated. They want to be alive to see that church built, and they will be. ...

I always had strong faith. I got that from my grandfather. I pray daily. I always ask for the Virgin Mary to intercede for me in things. We don't understand a lot. I don't understand 9/11 at all. I really don't understand that day, what happened and why it happened. But there's a big picture, and I know our maker is taking care of us. I really can't imagine life without faith. Life is so hard for everybody. I don't think life is easy for anyone. Everyone in their life has hardships. I don't think anybody is spared that, and without faith I don't know how you can do it. I'm so glad I had my church on 9/11.

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