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	<description>Part detective story, part true-life drama, SECRETS OF THE DEAD unearths evidence from around the world, challenging prevailing ideas and throwing fresh light on unexplained events. Using the most up-to-date science in the laboratory and in the field, scientists and researchers examine the missing pieces of each puzzle, completing the picture of what had been merely an assemblage of suppositions.</description>
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		<title>By: Faith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After watching the PBS episode, my boyfriend and I discussed it for hours.  Our hypothesis: Crippen, Cora, and Ethel were in it together.  They conspired and killed some unknown guy. (Someone from Cora&#039;s past?  Someone who was a threat to them? Look for someone who&#039;s disappearance is elaborately explained.) 

Perhaps Cora disagreed with the decision to kill him, but she would have been implicated as an accomplice.  At any rate, she left the scene soon after the murder to protect herself (trying to withdraw the money, making plans to remove trunks or boxes).  Naturally, she does not inform her circle of friends--simply high-tails it back home to safety.  Crippen, then, told her friends a version of the truth when he said she went to the States.  It never crosses his mind that he could be suspected of murdering *her*, so he doesn&#039;t bother too much with elaborate explanations. (After all, his primary problem is a body to dispose of!)

Ethel remains with Crippen because of their relationship, and to help him dispose of the body.  Crippen does not mourn the loss of his wife because he assumes she is with her family in the States.  Ethel feels free to assume a more apparent role as lover in Cora&#039;s absence. 

When the body is found, Crippen and Ethel decide their best chance is to disappear just like Cora did.  Confronted with the accusation that he killed Cora, Crippen can only protest that he never killed his wife.  He cannot explain any further without incriminating both Cora and Ethel--and that would not get him off the hook for murder.  He does not grieve or show regret during the trial: he has not killed anyone he cares for, and is primarily concerned with sheilding Ethel.  Ethel remains silent, knowing that her speaking out will not help anyone.  Cora&#039;s tongue is tied, as well--speaking up would only incriminate herself and would not exhonerate Crippen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After watching the PBS episode, my boyfriend and I discussed it for hours.  Our hypothesis: Crippen, Cora, and Ethel were in it together.  They conspired and killed some unknown guy. (Someone from Cora&#8217;s past?  Someone who was a threat to them? Look for someone who&#8217;s disappearance is elaborately explained.) </p>
<p>Perhaps Cora disagreed with the decision to kill him, but she would have been implicated as an accomplice.  At any rate, she left the scene soon after the murder to protect herself (trying to withdraw the money, making plans to remove trunks or boxes).  Naturally, she does not inform her circle of friends&#8211;simply high-tails it back home to safety.  Crippen, then, told her friends a version of the truth when he said she went to the States.  It never crosses his mind that he could be suspected of murdering *her*, so he doesn&#8217;t bother too much with elaborate explanations. (After all, his primary problem is a body to dispose of!)</p>
<p>Ethel remains with Crippen because of their relationship, and to help him dispose of the body.  Crippen does not mourn the loss of his wife because he assumes she is with her family in the States.  Ethel feels free to assume a more apparent role as lover in Cora&#8217;s absence. </p>
<p>When the body is found, Crippen and Ethel decide their best chance is to disappear just like Cora did.  Confronted with the accusation that he killed Cora, Crippen can only protest that he never killed his wife.  He cannot explain any further without incriminating both Cora and Ethel&#8211;and that would not get him off the hook for murder.  He does not grieve or show regret during the trial: he has not killed anyone he cares for, and is primarily concerned with sheilding Ethel.  Ethel remains silent, knowing that her speaking out will not help anyone.  Cora&#8217;s tongue is tied, as well&#8211;speaking up would only incriminate herself and would not exhonerate Crippen.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Crippen McElwain IV</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Crippen McElwain IV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always been intrigued by this case because my middle name is Crippen.  This article sheds new light to the case and to Crippen.  I fully believe his innocence and it saves my name from such tyranny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always been intrigued by this case because my middle name is Crippen.  This article sheds new light to the case and to Crippen.  I fully believe his innocence and it saves my name from such tyranny.</p>
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		<title>By: John Forbes</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Forbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a grand irony, the victim here is actually the killer. Even Agatha Christie never envisioned such a plot twist. When intelligent people are disappointed, they turn to introspection; when stupid people are disappointed, they turn to spite. Cora&#039;s flit sent her husband to the gallows. She was too vain and selfish to come forward and save him. Unknowingly, the police aided Cora in her disappearance by being far too anxious to make a sensational arrest.  It is possible that Cora lived until the 1940&#039;s.  Maybe some senior recalls a short, pudgy woman who boasted of having been on the London stage.  Maybe searches of death notices can uncover some woman whose flimsy story points to being Cora. One thing is certain: Cora / Belle went SOMEWHERE, and it wasn&#039;t into the basment of that house!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a grand irony, the victim here is actually the killer. Even Agatha Christie never envisioned such a plot twist. When intelligent people are disappointed, they turn to introspection; when stupid people are disappointed, they turn to spite. Cora&#8217;s flit sent her husband to the gallows. She was too vain and selfish to come forward and save him. Unknowingly, the police aided Cora in her disappearance by being far too anxious to make a sensational arrest.  It is possible that Cora lived until the 1940&#8217;s.  Maybe some senior recalls a short, pudgy woman who boasted of having been on the London stage.  Maybe searches of death notices can uncover some woman whose flimsy story points to being Cora. One thing is certain: Cora / Belle went SOMEWHERE, and it wasn&#8217;t into the basment of that house!</p>
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		<title>By: david crippen</title>
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		<dc:creator>david crippen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am from des moines iowa, ihave been following this case for quite awhile . it does not surprise me that new evidence was found . even though mrs crippen couldnt sing at all. and god knows how long i could take a rotten voice. everyone that knew the mild mannered crippen said, they could not see him doing such a thing. dr crippen even rented a hall out for the wife, to let the rest of the world enjoy that beautiful voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am from des moines iowa, ihave been following this case for quite awhile . it does not surprise me that new evidence was found . even though mrs crippen couldnt sing at all. and god knows how long i could take a rotten voice. everyone that knew the mild mannered crippen said, they could not see him doing such a thing. dr crippen even rented a hall out for the wife, to let the rest of the world enjoy that beautiful voice.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/features/executed-in-error/hawley-crippen/199/#comment-993</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add this input to the question raised by Carey Baxter.
You&#039;ve got to remember that the cops, before they ever went to Hilldrop Crescent, had been told to suspect Crippen as a wife killer - Cora&#039;s friends had reported her missing and didnt believe Crippen&#039;s story.

Chf Inspector Dew was a very senior cop - he was asked to investigate by the deputy head of the Metropolitan Police. Because of Cora&#039;s celebrity connections this was always much more than a routine missing person inquiry. Otherwise they&#039;d have just sent a constable, or ignored it altogether. In that sense the case was &#039;high profile&#039;, as far as the cops were concerned, right from the start. 

Scenario 1 - the cops dig in the cellar, find some body parts, [which could have been there for several years] but  believe that Crippen must be a wife killer, just as they suspected. Still, they don&#039;t have a cast iron case, so they plant the pyjamas. This is what the programme categorised as possible &#039;noble cause corruption&#039;.

Scenario 2 - the cops don&#039;t find anything, but they have their initial suspicions, and they also know now that Crippen has fled the scene, so they decide to plant some body parts that they had lying around the morgue, in order to nail him and enhance their own careers. The body parts were male, but in those days there was no way of telling so they thought they&#039;d be safe. This is an unlikely scenario, and not one that the programme strongly suggested.

It was only after the hunt for Crippen was publicised round the world that the case became high profile in a public sense, and when there would clearly have been a very strong motive on the part of the authorities to have him convicted, as there is in high profile cases to this day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add this input to the question raised by Carey Baxter.<br />
You&#8217;ve got to remember that the cops, before they ever went to Hilldrop Crescent, had been told to suspect Crippen as a wife killer &#8211; Cora&#8217;s friends had reported her missing and didnt believe Crippen&#8217;s story.</p>
<p>Chf Inspector Dew was a very senior cop &#8211; he was asked to investigate by the deputy head of the Metropolitan Police. Because of Cora&#8217;s celebrity connections this was always much more than a routine missing person inquiry. Otherwise they&#8217;d have just sent a constable, or ignored it altogether. In that sense the case was &#8216;high profile&#8217;, as far as the cops were concerned, right from the start. </p>
<p>Scenario 1 &#8211; the cops dig in the cellar, find some body parts, [which could have been there for several years] but  believe that Crippen must be a wife killer, just as they suspected. Still, they don&#8217;t have a cast iron case, so they plant the pyjamas. This is what the programme categorised as possible &#8216;noble cause corruption&#8217;.</p>
<p>Scenario 2 &#8211; the cops don&#8217;t find anything, but they have their initial suspicions, and they also know now that Crippen has fled the scene, so they decide to plant some body parts that they had lying around the morgue, in order to nail him and enhance their own careers. The body parts were male, but in those days there was no way of telling so they thought they&#8217;d be safe. This is an unlikely scenario, and not one that the programme strongly suggested.</p>
<p>It was only after the hunt for Crippen was publicised round the world that the case became high profile in a public sense, and when there would clearly have been a very strong motive on the part of the authorities to have him convicted, as there is in high profile cases to this day.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born in Coldwater and I am in some way related by way of my mother&#039;s family name; Lobdell. We have talked about this case for all my life, but now it has been made real. Thanks to PBS and the detective work of all involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born in Coldwater and I am in some way related by way of my mother&#8217;s family name; Lobdell. We have talked about this case for all my life, but now it has been made real. Thanks to PBS and the detective work of all involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Carey Baxter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carey Baxter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that there was one major contradiction in the show and I was wondering if anyone had any input.  According to the show, it was the finding of the body parts in the basement that brought the case to  public attention.  Later in the show it was suggested that the police might have planted the body parts in the basement to frame Dr. Crippen because they were under preasure to solve a high profile case.  Those two statements contradict each other.  The case wasn&#039;t high profile until AFTER the body parts were found so there wasn&#039;t a reason for the police to plant the body parts in the first place.

Did I miss something in the show?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that there was one major contradiction in the show and I was wondering if anyone had any input.  According to the show, it was the finding of the body parts in the basement that brought the case to  public attention.  Later in the show it was suggested that the police might have planted the body parts in the basement to frame Dr. Crippen because they were under preasure to solve a high profile case.  Those two statements contradict each other.  The case wasn&#8217;t high profile until AFTER the body parts were found so there wasn&#8217;t a reason for the police to plant the body parts in the first place.</p>
<p>Did I miss something in the show?</p>
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		<title>By: carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised that they did not extradite him back to the US ,so he could stand trial there.</description>
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		<title>By: Roger Batchelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Batchelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To see what happened to Ethel, Do a Goole search under Ethel Le Neve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To see what happened to Ethel, Do a Goole search under Ethel Le Neve</p>
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		<title>By: Karla Keffer</title>
		<link>http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/features/executed-in-error/hawley-crippen/199/#comment-965</link>
		<dc:creator>Karla Keffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.trivia-library.com/b/life-after-trial-the-crippen-murder-and-ethel-le-neve-part-1.htm

This is a reprint of an article I read in &quot;The People&#039;s Almanac&quot; by David Wallechinsky and Irving Wallace.  In brief, it appears that Miss Le Neve took the name Ethel Harvey (in memory of Crippen) and fled to Toronto, where she lived for decades in anonymity.</description>
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<p>This is a reprint of an article I read in &#8220;The People&#8217;s Almanac&#8221; by David Wallechinsky and Irving Wallace.  In brief, it appears that Miss Le Neve took the name Ethel Harvey (in memory of Crippen) and fled to Toronto, where she lived for decades in anonymity.</p>
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