November 3rd, 2014, by

BY ROBERT WEISSMAN, Show Guest on October 30, 2014

Weissman is president of Public Citizen and an expert on economic, healthcare, trade and globalization, intellectual property and regulatory policy, and issues related to financial accountability and corporate responsibility. His top priorities include climate change, healthcare reform, financial regulation and campaign finance reform.

[Any views or opinions expressed in this post are solely those of the respective author and do not represent those of PBS. The Smiley Group, Inc. is responsible for the content of this blog site.]

It matters a great deal who wins the 2014 elections. On the other hand, we know that whatever the eventual outcome, the corporate class has already won.

Enabled by the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2010 decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, billionaires and corporations have grabbed control of our elections. More money than ever is being spent—an estimated $4 billion in reported federal expenditures for this election, a record for a mid-term, though the actual amount is surely higher. But more significant than the actual amounts are the rising expenditures by outside organizations—Super PACs, social welfare organizations and trade associations—not connected to the candidates. These organizations concentrate their spending on the close races—often spending far more than the candidates themselves—so their influence is concentrated where it matters most.

These outside groups will report spending approximately $1 billion, though we’ll never know how much they truly throw at the election, because much of it is not required to be reported. A third or more of that spending is coming from Dark Money organizations, which don’t have to reveal their donors. The biggest centers of Dark Money are the organizations affiliated with the anti-government extremist Koch Brothers, Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the leading trade association for big business.

For the Super PACs that do report their donors, we know that a very tiny number of people are overwhelming voters with their dollars. Just 42 people are responsible for a third of the $600 million raised by Super PACs. 42 people!

What do donors get for their extraordinary contributions? At the individual level, they get special access and special favors. But much more important is the systemic effect of their spending: With their heavy advertising, they define election races, often taking control of election narratives from candidates. They have a huge influence over who is elected; and even over who will consider running. Once the election is over, they help shape what Congress does—and does not do.

The vast majority of Americans want to raise the minimum wage. They want policies to advance income and wealth equality. Americans want Wall Street criminals put behind bars. By a more than two-to-one margin, Americans oppose more NAFTA-style trade agreements. Americans want investment in our schools, on sustainable transportation and infrastructure. They want policies to prevent catastrophic climate change. They want to protect—and improve—Social Security and Medicare.

So, why isn’t Congress raising the minimum wage and addressing income inequality? Why aren’t prosecutors going after Wall Street wrongdoers? Why is the president trying to negotiate NAFTA-style deals with Asia and Europe? Why aren’t we investing in our future? Why is Congress threatening the modest climate change policies of the Obama administration? Why do we face the prospect of Social Security and Medicare cuts again appearing on the Congressional agenda?

The giant campaign donations by the billionaires and corporations aren’t the only answer to those questions, but they are a big part of it. If we want America to deliver on its promise—if we want to advance justice and democracy, fairness and ecological sustainability; if we want everyone to get a fair shot—then we have to deal with the campaign finance system. A first step would be to require disclosure of all campaign-related spending by large corporations, so we at least know what companies are spending. The Securities and Exchange Commission should adopt a rule to require such disclosures immediately. In the longer term, we need to replace the current campaign spending system altogether with one that relies on small donors and public financing. But replacing the current system—including the outrage of billionaires and corporations dominating our elections with outside spending—will require overturning Supreme Court decisions like Citizens United. And that will take a constitutional amendment—something hard to do, by design, but something We the People have done time and again to strengthen our democracy.

August 19th, 2014, by


Congratulations to all of the 2014 Emmy winners, with special kudos to those who spent time with us over the past year: Allison Janney, Jessica Lange and Jim Parsons.

Every year, like clockwork, Emmy’s red carpet is laid out, the golden statuettes are polished and feelings of excitement and anticipation fill the air. As we celebrated our 10th year in public television in 2013, we shared the same feelings as the guests who helped us get there.

And with this post, we toast our visitors whose work has been recognized as contenders for the 66th Annual Emmy Awards. [Click on the guest name/image to go to his/her show page on this site, which includes video of our conversation.]

Comedy, drama, miniseries, TV movie—each of these genres is proving more and more how much television content is evolving, taking audiences where they’ve never gone before. Our guests have taken us from a woman’s federal prison in New York to a witches’ coven in Louisiana.

This year, comedy definitely has some stiff competition, and it starts with…a big bang. The Big Bang Theory continued to hit funny bones and earned yet another Emmy nomination for outstanding comedy series, as well as lead actor and guest star. Nominated for comedy lead actor, Jim Parsons sat with us and talked about his hit TV show, as well as his supporting role in HBO’s The Normal Heart, which earned him a second Emmy nod—this one for reprising his Tony-winning turn on Broadway.



Comedic giant Bob Newhart also stopped by, shortly after taking home a 2013 Emmy—his first after more than 50 years in the business—for his work on the show as Arthur Jeffries. This year, he picked up another guest actor nod.



Also in the comedy race is a real unconventional family, the Emmy-nominated Modern Family. We were privileged to welcome versatile actor Ed O’Neill, who earned recognition as on-screen father to the Bundys in Married…With Children and, now, to the Pritchett family. This past season, Modern Family‘s characters were tested, and, in the moments when not everything was funny, O’Neill shined through and demonstrated that that’s what makes shows memorable.


In the past year, comedy took on a new look—the color of orange. Since its debut, Orange Is the New Black has garnered attention for its mix of comedy and drama. The characters on the series, nominated for best comedy, have taken us behind bars—teaching us lessons and survival tips about the ins and outs of the world. One of its co-stars that’s familiar with comedy and stories is Jason Biggs, who visited us and recounted what it’s like working on the hit show.


Included on the list for leading actor in a comedy is Don Cheadle, who checked in with us just in time for the season three premiere of House of Lies. He explained his character Marty Kaan, an antihero who brings edge, but is still mysterious to the story. It’s no surprise that his character and work ethic as an actor continue to bring him award nominations, as his film roles have done in the past.



While the ability to balance comedy and drama is a strength for any actor/actress, to do so simultaneously is a force. This is the case with two guests who dropped in to discuss their work on both a comedy and a drama series in the same season.

One of these talents is Allison Janney, who’s nominated in two categories this year: supporting actress in a comedy for her role in Mom and guest actress in a drama series for her turn in Masters of Sex. She described what it was like playing two very different roles at the same time. [NOTE: During the Creative Arts Emmys ceremony, Janney picked up the statuette in the drama series guest actress category for her performance in Showtime’s Masters of Sex.]



Beau Bridges also received two nominations. This past season, he not only played a funny dad in The Millers, but also a struggling husband (opposite Janney) in Masters of Sex. Coming from a family of actors, Beau has mastered balancing comedic timing and drama. Our chat included his take on family life, work and even mixing the two!


From the drama world, we welcomed actor John Slattery and writer-producer Matthew Weiner for a conversation of their hit AMC series, Mad Men—nominated again this year for outstanding drama.

When Slattery visited, he updated us on his character in the period piece, which is in its final season, and outlined his film, God’s Pocket, and what it was like putting together his first feature and directing Philip Seymour Hoffman in one of his last roles.


Weiner, the man behind Mad Men, shared the journey of the series—its evolution, characters, content and what makes it a hit.



And, though Jessica Lange has played different characters in the American Horror Story anthology, her different roles keep her as a fresh choice. This year, her portrayal as the Supreme Witch of the Coven, earned her an Emmy nod for lead actress in a miniseries/movie.

When Lange visited our set, she also opened up about one of her many other talents—writing—and her children’s book, It’s About a Little Bird, which was written for her granddaughters, and talked about religion, family, photography and all that keeps her the woman we know and love.

One actor not only pulled on audiences’ heart strings this past year for his film role in 12 Years a Slave, but also captured their attention as Louis Lester in the British TV miniseries, Dancing on the Edge. While Chiwetel Ejiofor‘s conversation with us focused on his performance in the Oscar-winning film, he took us into period pieces, from the 1800s to the 1930s, bringing to life the reality that they were and yet inspiring us to see growth and beauty, and earned an Emmy nomination as lead actor in a miniseries/movie.


Over the years, Emmy, Grammy, Oscar and Tony winner Mel Brooks has experienced all of the nerves of nominations for outstanding work. When he honored us with a sit-down, he made us laugh not just one night, but two in a row. The body of work of the comedian-producer-director-writer dates back to the late 1940s and resulted in a televised AFI tribute, which earned an Emmy nod best variety special. [NOTE: The tribute show was awarded the Emmy during the Creative Arts ceremony.]


Joseph Gordon-Levitt
is best known as an actor; but, this year, he made his debut as a feature film director-screenwriter and shared his experience with us. He also created, hosted and directed a critically acclaimed variety series, HitRECord on TV—an extension of his online collaborative production company—on the new Pivot network and picked up an Interactive Media Emmy Award for Social TV Experience during the Creative Arts Awards ceremony.


After the awards ceremonies and parties and the reading of new scripts, every actor starts again. Sometimes it’s just as nerve-racking as the shows they are in, but by the end of their new beginnings, they present a wonderful feast. This is what makes awards ceremonies like the Emmys exciting and new—nothing is the same every year, and, by the end of the night, we reflect on past work and look forward to new ones.

For their Emmy nods, we congratulate the guests that sat on our couch this past year, reflecting on their work in TV series, telefilms or miniseries, and we thank them for letting us help get the word out on their various projects!

April 20th, 2014, by

A former boxer who became a symbol of racial injustice, Rubin “Hurricane” Carter recently lost his battle with prostate cancer.

A 20th-century icon, he survived 19 years in prison as a controversial victim of the U.S. justice system. Following his exoneration, he became a passionate activist for the wrongfully convicted, and his life story inspired a major motion picture and a song by Bob Dylan.

Carter had a difficult youth, but rose to become a top contender for the middleweight boxing crown. His career was halted in 1967, when he was convicted of a triple murder and sentenced to three consecutive life terms. In 1988, the indictments against him were dismissed.

The recipient of two honorary doctors of law degrees, Carter lived in Toronto and was an in-demand speaker throughout North America and Europe. He also worked with several organizations and founded Innocence International.

In 2011, he joined us to talk about his work helping prisoners who have been falsely convicted and his then-newly updated biography, The Eye of the Hurricane: My Path from Darkness to Freedom. Take a look below at our compelling conversation.

April 8th, 2014, by

The 2014 “class” of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees includes two of our past guests: one of the most important voices in the creation of country rock, Linda Ronstadt, and Yusuf (formerly known as Cat Stevens), whose musical gifts are an important chapter in rock history.

Over two nights, Ronstadt—the only artist to win a Grammy Award in the categories of pop, country, Mexican American and Tropical Latin—reflected on her fascinating journey, as chronicled in her memoir, Simple Dreams, as well as her Parkinson’s diagnosis.

And singer-songwriter Yusuf, an introspective cornerstone of the 1970s singer-songwriter movement, who converted to Islam after multi-platinum success, talked with us about his musical odyssey and using culture to support moral values.

Congrats to all of this year’s inductees, especially to our past guests. Check out their Hall of Fame bios AND watch video of their rich conversations.


Linda Ronstadt

Hall of Fame bio

Part 1 of our conversation

Part 2 of our conversation


Yusuf (Cat Stevens)

Hall of Fame bio

January 26th, 2014, by

Applause to our guests who took home 2014 Grammys: Herb Alpert, Ben Harper with Charlie Musselwhite, Alicia Keys, Gregory Porter and Wayne Shorter. The legendary Carole King was also honored during the Grammy weekend festivities. Check out the roundup below of their visits with us.


Carole King
2014 MusiCares Person of the Year
The singer-songwriter and four-time Grammy winner was honored as the 2014 MusiCares Person of the Year, recognizing her accomplishments as an artist and humanitarian. Our conversation with her on the release of her memoir, A Natural Woman, is a must-see.
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Herb Alpert
Best Pop Instrumental Album – Recipient for “Steppin’ Out”


Ben Harper & Charlie Musselwhite
Best Blues Album – Recipient for “Get Up!”


Alicia Keys
Best R&B Album – Recipient for “Girl on Fire”


Gregory Porter
Best Jazz Vocal Album – Recipient for “Liquid Spirit”


Wayne Shorter
Best Improvised Jazz Solo – Recipient for “Orbits”


Kudos, as well, to other 2014 Grammy nominees who joined us last year. (Click on the name to view the guest show page.)

Terence Blanchard – Best Improvised Jazz Solo for “Don’t Run”

Mary J. Blige – Best Rap/Sung Collaboration for “Now or Never” (Kendrick Lamar featuring Mary J. Blige) & Album of the Year for “Good Kid, M.A.A.D City” (Kendrick Lamar collaboration)

Carol Burnett – Best Spoken Word Album (Includes Poetry, Audio Books & Storytelling) for Carrie and Me

Gloria Estefan – Best Traditional Pop Vocal Album for “The Standards” & Best Instrumental Arrangement Accompanying Vocalist(s) for “What A Wonderful World”

Dave Koz – Best Pop Instrumental Album for “Summer Horns”

Snoop Lion – Best Reggae Album for “Reincarnated”

Miguel – Best R&B Performance for “How Many Drinks” (featuring Kendrick Lamar) & Best Rap/Sung Collaboration for “Power Trip” (J. Cole featuring Miguel)

Esa-Pekka Salonen – Best Orchestral Performance for “Lutoslawski: Symphony No. 1;” Best Contemporary Classical Composition for “Salonen, Esa-Pekka: Violin Concerto;” & Best Classical Instrumental Solo for “Salonen: Violin Concerto; Nyx”


January 12th, 2014, by

Congratulations to all of the nominees of this 2014 awards season, especially those who came by to chat with us. Be sure to check out our rich conversations on a variety of topics, including their award-winning projects.

The season kicked off with the Golden Globes, followed by the Screen Actors Guild Awards—both honoring accomplishments on the big and small screens. The BAFTAs for film were handed out in mid-February, and the season ended with the Independent Spirit Awards and, of course, the Oscars.

Over the past year, we spoke with three actresses that took home awards this season, Oscar winner Lupita Nyong’o, Jacqueline Bisset, and Elisabeth Moss, and spent two nights with this year’s SAG Lifetime Achievement recipient—Rita Moreno. In addition, we sat down Steve McQueen, who racked up numerous honors for directing/co-producing the coveted best picture Oscar, the Producers Guild Award, a BAFTA and two Independent Spirit Awards, and with BAFTA recipients Barkhad Abdi and Chiwetel Ejiofor.

Darlene Love and Merry Clayton, two of the featured vocalists in the critically acclaimed 20 Feet from Stardom, which received both the Oscar and the Independent Spirit Award for best documentary, spent two nights with us, recounting backstories of their vocal work behind some of the greatest musical legends in the business. And, Ryan Coogler, writer-director of Fruitvale Station—his first feature length screenplay—along with his star, Michael B. Jordan, shared their feelings about their film. [Coogler received the 2014 “best first feature” Independent Spirit Award.]

Enjoy our roundup of conversations with these exceptional artists.


Rita Moreno
SAG Lifetime Achievement Award recipient

Part 1

Part 2


Barkhad Abdi (Captain Phillips)
Golden Globe nominee Best Supporting Actor in a Motion Picture
SAG Award nominee – Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Supporting Role in a Motion Picture
BAFTA recipient – Supporting Actor
Oscar nominee – Best Supporting Actor


Jacqueline Bisset (Dancing on the Edge)
Golden Globe recipient – Best Supporting Actress in a Series, Mini-Series or TV Movie


Steve Coogan (Philomena)
Golden Globe nominee – Best Screenplay – Motion Picture
BAFTA recipient – Adapted Screenplay
Oscar nominee – Adapted Screenplay


Ryan Coogler (Fruitvale Station)
Independent Spirit Award recipient – Best First Feature


Chiwetel Ejiofor (12 Years a Slave)
BAFTA recipient – Film lead actor
Independent Spirit Award nominee – Best Male Lead
Oscar nominee – Best Actor


Steve McQueen (12 Years a Slave)
Golden Globe nominee Best Director – Motion Picture
PGA recipient – Outstanding Producer of Theatrical Motion Pictures
DGA nominee – Outstanding Directorial Achievement in Motion Pictures
BAFTA recipient – Director
Independent Spirit Award recipient – Best Director
Independent Spirit Award recipient – Best Feature
Oscar recipient – Best picture (co-producer)

Oscar nominee – Best Director


Elisabeth Moss (Top of the Lake)
Golden Globe recipient – Best Actress in a Mini-Series or TV Movie

SAG Award nominee – Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Television Movie or Miniseries


Lupita Nyong’o (12 Years a Slave)
Golden Globe nominee – Best Supporting Actress in a Motion Picture
SAG Award recipient – Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Supporting Role in a Motion Picture
BAFTA nominee – Rising Star + Supporting Actress
Independent Spirit Award recipient – Best Supporting Female
Oscar recipient – Best Supporting Actress


Darlene Love and Merry Clayton (20 Feet from Stardom – Oscar and Independent Spirit Award recipientBest Documentary

Part 1

Part 2


And, don’t miss our conversations with other exceptional artists who were nominated this season.

Don Cheadle (House of Lies)
Golden Globe nominee – Best Actor in a TV Series, Musical or Comedy
SAG nominee – Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Comedy Series

Julie Delpy (Before Midnight)
Golden Globe nominee – Best Actress in a Motion Picture, Musical or Comedy
Independent Spirit Award nominee – Best Screenplay & Best Female Lead
Oscar nominee – Best Adapted Screenplay

Bruce Dern (Nebraska)
Golden Globe nominee – Best Actor in a Motion Picture, Musical or Comedy
BAFTA nominee – Film lead actor
Independent Spirit Award nominee – Best Male Lead
Oscar nominee – Best Actor

Will Forte (Nebraska)
Independent Spirit Award nominee – Best Supporting Male

Joseph Gordon-Levitt (Don Jon)
Independent Spirit Award nominee –  Best First Screenplay

Ethan Hawke (Before Midnight)
Independent Spirit Award nominee – Best Screenplay
Oscar nominee – Best Adapted Screenplay

Michael B. Jordan (Fruitvale Station)
Independent Spirit Award nominee – Best Male Lead

Jessica Lange (American Horror Story)
Golden Globe nominee –Best Actress in a Mini-Series or TV Movie
SAG Award nominee – Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Drama Series

Jeremy Scahill (Dirty Wars)
Oscar nominee – Best Documentary Feature

Teller (Tim’s Vermeer)
BAFTA nominee – Documentary

Hans Zimmer (12 Years a Slave)
Golden Globe nominee – Best Original Score Motion Picture
BAFTA nominee – Original film music



December 5th, 2013, by

When a man is denied the right to live the life he believes in, he has no choice but to become an outlaw.
– Nelson Mandela

The world mourns the loss of a man who dedicated his life to fighting for equality, a man who helped transform the future of a nation. Nelson Mandela was a defiance symbol of how one man can make a difference. He moved the world when he became the first Black president in a part of the world engulfed by apartheid. He knew when to be unyielding and when to be compromising.

Nelson Mandela was born on July 18, 1918, in Transkei, South Africa. He was actively involved in the anti-apartheid movement in his 20s and joined the African National Congress (ANC) in 1942. He was a peacemaker and, for nearly two decades, directed a campaign of peaceful, non-violent defiance against the South African government and its racist policies, including the 1952 Defiance Campaign and the 1955 Congress of the People. He once declared: If you want to make peace with your enemy, you have to work with your enemy. Then he becomes your partner.

Mandela was incarcerated on Robben Island, on the coast of Cape Town, for 18 of his 27 years in prison. While incarcerated, he earned a Bachelor of Law degree through a correspondence program with the University of London.

President Frederik Willem de Klerk announced Mandela’s release on February 11, 1990 and also unbanned the ANC, removed restrictions that were imposed on political groups and suspended executions. Nelson Mandela persisted in urging foreign powers to continue their pressure on the South African apartheid government for constitutional reform. Despite being committed to working toward peace, he declared that the ANC’s armed struggle would continue until the Black majority received the right to vote for their own people.

He continued to negotiate with President de Klerk toward the country’s first multiracial elections. The negotiations were sometimes strained, and news of violent eruptions, including the assassination of ANC leaders, continued throughout the country. Mandela had to maintain a delicate balance of political pressure and intense negotiations amid the political chaos. In 1993, he and President de Klerk were jointly awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for their work toward dismantling the South African apartheid regime. Negotiations between Black and white South Africans prevailed and, on April 27, 1994, South Africa held its first fully democratic elections.

Nelson Mandela became the first Black president of the Republic of South Africa on May 10, 1994. For five years, he worked to bring about the transition from minority rule and apartheid to Black majority rule and, using the nation’s enthusiasm for sports as a medium to promote white and Black reconciliation, encouraged Black South Africans to support the once-hated national rugby team. In 1995, South Africa returned to the world stage by hosting the Rugby World Cup, which brought further recognition and prestige to the Republic.

Mandela worked to protect South Africa’s economy from collapse, and, through his Reconstruction and Development Plan, the South African government funded the creation of jobs, housing and basic healthcare. In 1996, he signed into law a new constitution for the nation that promoted a strong central government based on majority rule and guaranteed the rights of minorities and the freedom of expression.

He retired from active politics before the 1999 general elections and spent his retirement years raising money to build schools and clinics in South Africa’s rural areas through his Mandela Foundation. He also served as a mediator in Burundi’s civil war and wrote several books on his life and struggles, among them, No Easy Walk to Freedom; Nelson Mandela: The Struggle Is My Life; and Nelson Mandela’s Favorite African Folktales.

On July 18, 2007, he convened a group of world leaders, which he called “The Elders,” a group committed to promoting peace and women’s equality, demanding an end to atrocities and supporting initiatives to address humanitarian crises and promote democracy. Thus far, the group has made an impact in the world, including in Asia, the Middle East and Africa.

Nelson Mandela spent his life fighting for the rights of humanity.


[With the exception of the top photo, all other images are from then-ANC Deputy President Mandela’s visit to Los Angeles in June, 1990.]

September 15th, 2013, by


Kudos to all of those who took home 2013 statuettes, especially to our past guests Jeff Daniels and James Cromwell.

Over the past 10 seasons of our show, we’ve been honored to have a variety of talented actors, actresses and writer-creators share our stage as guests. Several of them are nominees for the 65th Primetime Emmy Awards, including Don Cheadle, Matt Damon, Julian Fellowes, Elisabeth Moss and others.

But, before taking their turn on the red carpet, they sat with us and took us into their lives both creatively and personally. Some of them took us into conversations not covering their bodies of nominated work (as their appearances pre-dated their nomination announcement), but nonetheless, gave us rich discussions.

And now the envelope please…for a rundown of some of our 2013 Emmy-nominated guests.

[Click on the name or image to watch the conversation.]

Elisabeth Moss – Lead Actress, Drama (Peggy Olson in Mad Men) & Lead Actress, Miniseries/Movie (Robin Griffin in Top of the Lake)

When we sat down with the actress most notable for playing Peggy Olson, we had a lot to talk about. After all, actress Elisabeth Moss is nominated for not just one, but two Emmys this year! When she wasn’t filming AMC’s award-winning drama Mad Men, she told us she’d been working with the BBC and the Sundance Channel on a miniseries titled Top of the Lake.

In the many years she’s been on the screen, she’s captivated audiences with her versatility and with the way she makes characters impressionable, as she’s brilliantly done with Mad Men‘s Peggy. Her versatility as an actress has moved her to different films and TV shows (one show in particular being The West Wing, which she did early in her career and earned a Young Artist Award nomination). It’s also taken her to places like New Zealand, with directors Jane Campion and Gerard Lee. In the miniseries, she plays Detective Robin Griffin who works in social services with children and rape cases—very different from secretary and, later, copywriter, but equally as entertaining.

It’s a great conversation about her roles and what she would be doing if she wasn’t acting. Hmm…

Jeff Daniels – Lead Actor, Drama (Will McAvoy in The Newsroom)

Many people remember the 1983 film Terms of Endearment as a moving ensemble dramedy about family and life. And many people remember actor Jeff Daniels in it because of his well-played performance as Debra Winger’s husband.

Thirty years later, Daniels is still going strong in another great ensemble drama, HBO’s The Newsroom, which focuses on the ideals of journalism and the “fight every day.” In 30 years’ time, Daniels has become stronger as an actor, entertaining audiences in such comedies as Dumb and Dumber and The Squid and the Whale (which earned him a Golden Globe nod). He also received a Tony nod (God of Carnage) and now earns his first Emmy nom.

This is his first regular TV series role, and he explains why the show matters and what drove him to wanting to work on television. Clearly, by being in the Emmy race, that drive has paid off.

Jane Fonda – Guest Actress, Drama (Leona Lansing in The Newsroom)

Sometimes, when an actress really makes an impression, she doesn’t necessarily need to be the star of the work she’s in to be noticed. This surely was the case for nominee Jane Fonda, who earned an Emmy nod for playing Leona Lansing, the owner of the network on which main character/news anchor Will McAvoy works in HBO’s The Newsroom. It only took five episodes of her great acting to stand out as a guest actress, and it’s a well-deserved nomination.

When she came to our set though, the conversation wasn’t about her role on the HBO show; it was about her adopted daughter Mary Williams and the book, The Lost Daughter. In our discussion, Fonda continues to show us she’s not just the actress that we know, but a woman with many layers, who helped take in a young girl to give her a life of opportunities.

She’s won two Oscars, six Golden Globes and an Emmy and may have more hardware coming. Though our conversation doesn’t go into her acting accomplishments, it does spotlight how she won over the heart of a young girl and, at the end of the day, how that matters just as much as a gold statuette.

Julian Fellowes – Writing, Drama (Downton Abbey)

In Hollywood, it’s not essential, but it’s a step up when one is able to put on many different hats. If an actor can write, or a writer can direct, and so on, it makes for interesting results. This is the case with Julian Fellowes, most known for being the creator-writer-producer of PBS’ Downton Abbey. But, before the success of this timeless show, he’d been acting since the 1970s.

With this experience, he knew how to get into the minds of characters; he learned how to understand script format and just all around knew the business. So it was no surprise that his ability to write scripts for TV miniseries, films and series was a natural gift. Before his nomination for Downton Abbey, he had years of experience and even won a Best Original Screenplay Oscar for Gosford Park.

In our conversation with Fellowes, we also spoke with one of the show’s cast members, Elizabeth McGovern (who plays Cora Crawley, Countess of Grantham). Together, they discuss the characters and how the show is a standout period drama on television. Fellowes shares how the audience can step out from their seats and examine their own values and look at their situations, every age group included. TV is a writer’s medium, and whether it’s public television or cable, viewers need to be drawn in to the characters, the situations and the places. But, if you’re Julian Fellowes, you’re able to do all that with flying colors both in Britain and the United States.

Laura Dern – Lead Actress, Comedy (Amy Jellicoe in Enlightened)

Every child takes a piece of their parents with them as they get older. For actress-producer-writer Laura Dern, that’s certainly the case. She grew up seeing cameras and sets, as the child of actor parents Bruce Dern and Diane Ladd, with whom she later shared the screen. Since childhood, she’s gone on to make more than 40 movies and appear (both as a guest and a regular) in seven TV series, with the latter being a role that’s earned her an Emmy nomination: the HBO series, Enlightened.

She’s also earned an Oscar nomination and three Golden Globe wins. Many recognize her from her roles in the Jurassic Park franchise, Little Fockers, I Am Sam and Rambling Rose (for which she received an Oscar nomination with her mother).

Though she has famous parents, she’s earned her own stripes in Hollywood by challenging herself in a diversity of roles and genres. In Enlightened (she’s also a producer-writer), she plays a woman who is spiritually enlightened. In the process, she learns new things (such as Twitter) and, in a satirical way, becomes a whistleblower. Though the show is only 30 minutes, it’s filled with enough quantity and quality to invite audiences back every week.

Dern may have acting genes, but it’s the work she’s done with them that’s brought her this far.

Don Cheadle – Lead Actor, Comedy (Marty Kaan in House of Lies)

Being an actor means that one has to go outside his comfort zone, into scripts with words he might not normally use or playing characters he’s not like in real life. That has certainly been the case over the years with actor-producer Don Cheadle, who’s enjoyed playing different people. He’s played Sammy Davis Jr., as well as a hotel manager in Rwanda, and has fought alongside Iron Man, played criminals, DAs, detectives, lieutenants, doctors and colonels. And now, he plays a brash management consultant, which he executes quite well.

In his Emmy-nominated lead performance in Showtime’s House of Lies, Cheadle is cast in a part that wasn’t exactly written for a Black man. He plays an offensive character, but underneath that, a father with good intentions for his son.

In our conversation, he discussed how he entertains audiences every week by turning a role that wasn’t for him into a part that is now both Golden Globe- and Emmy-nominated. Perhaps having a background on the stage and having played strong characters in film and on TV has helped him prepare for such a role.

It’s no lie that, in any case, in any medium, when one gives the best of themselves to the work, the work will give the best of itself back. With this nomination and recognition, it’s safe to say that’s true.

Matt Damon – Lead Actor, Miniseries/Movie (Scott Thorson in Behind the Candelabra)

During the 2012 holidays, we had the honor of sitting with a notable actor-writer who’s made his way in Hollywood and goes by the name of Matt Damon (short for Matthew). Perhaps you’ve heard of him. He began his career as a steamer in Mystic Pizza in 1988 and has since been the lead character in many blockbusters. He’s definitely grown since his small roles and been down the red carpet numerous times; he’s won an Oscar and a Golden Globe and has more than 10 nominations under his belt. He’s added one more nod to the list for his performance in HBO’s Behind the Candelabra, in which he plays Scott Thorson, Liberace’s young lover.

During our conversation, we recapped his then-new feature, Promised Land, which he co-wrote and starred in before this nomination (sharing the screenplay credit with John Krasinski). He discusses the film as a backdrop to the issues of natural gas drilling in America, as well as his humanitarian work.

Equally talented as a writer and an actor, he also recounts how writing a script with his friend Ben Affleck at a young age helped them (and it sure did, look at their Best Screenplay Oscar and Golden Globe wins for Good Will Hunting). Damon says being a screenwriter is about control and being an actor is about generating one’s content, but film is a director’s medium and working with certain directors can bring out even better performances.

He doesn’t need nominations or awards to prove his skill in writing, acting or producing, but it’s always the cherry on top of another great cinematic year.

James Cromwell – Supporting Actor, Miniseries/Movie (Dr. Arthur Arden in American Horror Story: Asylum)

For many years, James Cromwell has been in the business of playing different characters. But, he’s well known for playing Farmer Arthur Hoggett in 1995’s Babe. In the film, he was a “supporting actor,” if you will, to a pig named Babe. This performance blew audiences out of the water and earned him an Oscar nomination. After that, he continued his success with such films as L.A. Confidential, The Green Mile, The Longest Yard and The Artist, to name a few.

When he came to our set, it was for a conversation about his then-new film, Still Mine, in which he earns attention for the lead role. It’s a drama piece about an aging couple fighting to build a home for each other and also a husband dealing with a wife who has dementia. It’s yet another body of work that brings out emotion in its audience, reminding them that people who are aging still have their own lives.

This year, Cromwell earned an Emmy nom for his turn in American Horror Story: Asylum and rightfully so. In the series, he plays Dr. Arthur Arden, who conducts experiments in a lab, mysteriously and with a very dark mind. The show has an array of cast members, but Cromwell’s acting ability in playing a “bad guy” is what made him so good that he’s in the running for a statuette.

For audiences who see Cromwell on screen or on the theater stage, it’s not who he’s supporting that draws attention, but how he’s standing out among the pack.

Congrats to all of this year’s nominees.


August 25th, 2013, by

During most of the 1960s, Dorothy Cotton was the highest ranking female in the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), founded by Dr. King. She was SCLC’s educational director and directed the Citizenship Education Program (CEP), an adult grassroots training program that prepared disenfranchised people across the South to work with existing systems of local government to gain access to services and resources they were entitled to as citizens and taught them how to demonstrate peacefully against injustice, even when they were met with violence and hatred.

She was part of the group that accompanied King to Oslo, where he received the Nobel Peace Prize and, on April 4, 1968, was checked into the Lorraine Motel, but left to do CEP work before the assassin’s bullet was fired.

Cotton later served as field ops VP for the King Center for Nonviolent Social Change in Atlanta, directed the federal agency for volunteer programs during the Carter administration and served as Cornell University’s student activities director.

Included in the transcript below (from our April 2008 discussion at the National Civil Rights Museum in Memphis) is Cotton’s explanation of the role sexism played in the organizations of the civil rights movement.

Since our conversation with the lifelong activist and visionary, Cornell University launched the Dorothy Cotton Institute as a tribute to her legacy. She’s also written the book, If Your Back’s Not Bent.



Ms. Cotton’s official site

About If Your Back’s Not Bent: The Role of the Citizenship Education Program in the Civil Rights Movement

Dorothy Cotton Institute of Cornell University


Tavis: I’m honored to welcome Dorothy Cotton back to this program. For eight years during the height of the civil rights movement, she served as the education director for the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and the only woman on Dr. King’s executive staff. Dorothy Cotton, as always, nice to see you, and especially in this space.

Dorothy Cotton: Well, thank you. Well, thank you so much. I see you many nights.

Tavis: Well, I thank you, thank you, thank you. Let me ask you the same question I asked Mr. Belafonte on this program last night. Take me back to when you met Martin and how you got recruited.

Cotton: We met – my then-husband and I – in Petersburg, Virginia, where Black folk couldn’t use the public library. There was a little cubbyhole kind of place in the basement, like a place where they brought in the boxes of books and whatever. That’s where Black folk could go. So the minister at my church, Reverend Wyatt T. Walker, was also the regional director of the NAACP, and he said, “We’re going to take this on – ” the fact that Black folk couldn’t use the public library.

And I was very active in the church at Gillfield Baptist Church at the time, and so I started working with Wyatt and teaching the youngsters in the church – and it was mostly youngsters. The older folk weren’t quite ready to get on board. They were saying things like they wished those nappy-headed little kids would get out of the street with those picket signs. (Laughter)

But we were walking with picket signs in front of the library and ultimately the Woolworth stores, and of course we had mass meetings every night. Reverend Walker, having met Martin Luther King at a conference at a college up in Richmond, Virginia, invited this preacher from Montgomery to come to Petersburg because he heard – he wanted to show him what we were doing with our little movement there to break down the barriers around the library and other public places.

So he came to Petersburg and he gave – as usual, already a great orator. And I said a poem on the program that night. We don’t just have a speaker. We’ve got some music and some dance shows –

Tavis: A full program, yeah.

Cotton: A full program. And then we served a dinner at the parsonage afterwards, and Dr. King said, “Who is that woman who said the poem?” And he ended up sort of chatting with me around the dinner table as I was helping serve the meal – the young women’s parish club. And so I met him when he came to Virginia.

He invited Reverend Walker to move to Atlanta to work with him to build the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, and Wyatt T. Walker said, “I will do that if the people who help me most here will come with me.” So I said to my then-husband, George Cotton, “I think I’ll go down to Atlanta to help them out for about six months,” and I stayed 23 years.

Tavis: Twenty-three years.

Cotton: Because the civil rights movement just became my life.

Tavis: You left your husband?

Cotton: Well, he drove me down to Atlanta (laughter) and he deposited me down there. He never said, “You come home.”

Tavis: I’m going to leave that alone, Ms. Cotton. I’m going to leave that alone. I want to thank you on behalf of the movement. I don’t know what your husband’s got to say about that, but anyway.

Cotton: No, he’s gone unto the great beyond. No, he was saddened, but it became my life.

Tavis: It became your life.

Cotton: It became my life, yeah.

Tavis: On a serious note, though, that – as much as I know about you, I never knew that. That was a serious sacrifice. The movement meant that much to you that it became your life and you left your –

Cotton: Well, my goodness, one couldn’t help it. Like, if we had the kind of time, we could tell stories of how many, many folk who got involved where this movement became the full expression of their existence, many people in every city. Once we were on a roll doing that work, we were so motivated and energized. And I feel really upset when people talk about the civil rights movement and Dr. King with I don’t know, such long, sad faces.

We also had a great time together because we were building all this camaraderie. And I want to say something about the citizenship education program.

Tavis: Absolutely, please.

Cotton: Because people think we had just a bunch of marches, but people were really energized and feeling that you’re doing something really worthwhile is what everybody was going through, because we’d been sort of stewing in this place of – I call it American-style apartheid, and not knowing where to go and what to do with it and how to really make a difference.

Oh, gosh, there’s so many things I could attach to that, one being Dr. King didn’t make the movement by himself, and I think that is one of the distortions that I think is getting written too concretely in the history books.

Tavis: I hear your point that Dr. King did not make the movement by himself, but –

Cotton: He’s the first one to say that; he wrote that he didn’t.

Tavis: But he founded only one organization in his lifetime. It was the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. How would you describe the work of that organization and the role you played in it?

Cotton: The work of the organization was actually – and this also was an evolving kind of thing, because we looked around and it just became clear to us that we needed to work with certain segments of the population. For example, we had someone in charge of working with ministers, for example. I used to go and talk to ministerial alliances; I don’t know if they do that anymore.

The Baptist ministers would get together one day and the Methodist ministers. I don’t know why they didn’t get together, but I would go and talk to them and other people would go and talk to them as well about a voter education drive, for example, because, well, look at the multiplier effect. If the preachers are talking about the fact that we’re going to fight for the right to vote, how many people then would catch the spark and would begin to work on that?

Fast forward, we inherited that program, the citizenship training program, and Dr. King was talking to me, I’m clear now, because he was looking for somebody – if we’re going to inherit this program, we need to somebody to really focus on it. That’s how Andrew Young came as the administrator of the program, and I became director of education. And we had fantastic workshops. I hope I’m not jumping around here too much.

Tavis: No, please, go ahead, yeah.

Cotton: Andrew Young and I and Septima Clarke, because we hired her, she worked with it when it was at Highlander, but we would travel the south and go into places where things were stirring. For example, in Ruleville, Mississippi where Fanny Lou Hamer lived, I stayed in Fanny Lou Hamer’s house telling her about this program.

“We have this training program, and we have a budget, we were funded by a couple of foundations, and we want you to come to our training center about 30 miles south of Savannah, a little place called Macintosh, Georgia.” It doesn’t even exist anymore; it’s been kind of subsumed into Midway, Georgia. But we had this training site, a building owned by the Congregational Church at the time.

And Andy Young, being a Congregational preacher, I think that’s why we got that building. But we would bring 40, 50 people to this building every single month, and they would stay with us for five days.

Tavis: And learn about what (unintelligible)?

Cotton: And why was it called citizenship education?

Tavis: Right.

Cotton: No, these were grassroots people – I wish there was a better term than grassroots – but ordinary people right off the farms and the plantations and in a way, I guess we were all ordinary because even though I already had a master’s degree from Boston University, I learned much more about civics and civic education helping these people who went to fourth and fifth but they were leaders in their community.

These people in the citizens – this is the best program SCLC had. SCLC, the organization founded by Dr. King, the best program that we had because these were the people that spread out across the land, went back to their hometowns, and those hometowns were never the same again. First Amendment, people have a right peaceably to assemble, to petition the government for redress of grievances.

Translated, that means I jolly well can march from Selma to Montgomery (laughter) and say to the governor, “I ain’t going to take it no more.” And that’s what happened.

Tavis: And I thank you for all of that. Let me ask you one quick question. I got to make room for your other colleague, Clarence Jones.

Cotton: Right, right, yeah, I know.

Tavis: Who’s standing by to talk to us in just a second – Dr. King’s attorney. Before I let you go, I have to ask you how you navigated – and I want to ask you this honestly – how you navigated the sexism of the movement.

Cotton: It was hard. Well, I say that kind of tongue-in-cheek. But the women’s movement hadn’t happened then, so I’m the director of education for the organization, and here all these men are sitting around the conference table, the executive staff, and when they wanted coffee, they said, “Dorothy, would you get us some coffee, and would you take the minutes?”

And it was a man on our staff who was more enlightened than I was at the time, Jack O’Dell said, “Dr. King, Dorothy needs to stay in here because we’re discussing – ” whatever it was at the time, and I think this sort of really answers your question very specifically.

And what I know I would do now, because my consciousness – I have evolved, obviously, years ago – I would say, “Now Martin, let me show you how to make coffee. You put water here and coffee here.” (Laughter) “Let me show you.” And these men can also write, you know. I don’t have to take the minutes, so we can talk, call somebody in who – Dora McDonald took great shorthand. We need to call somebody in to take the minutes.

But we were programmed to serve men. I don’t know if the women who will be watching this program will remember a period when we were honored – I was not mad about it. It took me a while to get to that place where I knew that even my work was not – they didn’t even realize that this is how we were making the folk working with the citizenship education program, creating the troops – I wish I could use some nonmilitary language there – but creating the people who were now going back to their hometowns and fight against this American-style apartheid, they were created in the citizenship education training.

I’m tired of people saying, “And now we present Dorothy Cotton, who marched with Martin Luther King.” Well, a lot of folk flew down there one weekend and marched, but I worked –

Tavis: You did a lot more than that.

Cotton: Well, I worked with him every single day. But people have this image of only marches, and at this stage of my life I really want to counter that, because it was so much more than marches. They don’t even know we had a training program, but it was not something that would be publicized.

Tavis: Guess what?

Cotton: Yeah, I’ve got to go.

Tavis: No, they do now.

Cotton: Oh. (Laughter)

Tavis: They know now. You see her energy is as off the charts now as it was – I see why Dr. King had her around. If she had more energy then, than she has now, Dr. King was all right. Dorothy Cotton, I love you and I thank you for all that you’ve done.

Cotton: I love you too.

Tavis: And thanks for coming to see me.


April 4th, 2013, by

With his passion for the movies and his thumbs-up/thumbs-down evaluations, Roger Ebert became a household name. He penned thousands of film reviews—his Chicago Sun-Times pieces were syndicated in more than 200 papers around the world—and his show was for a time the top-rated weekly syndicated half-hour on TV. The first film critic to receive a Pulitzer, he quit an English doctoral program to pursue a career as a reviewer. He wrote several screenplays and more than 20 books, including his memoir, Life Itself. In 1999, Ebert launched the annual Overlooked Film Festival showcasing forgotten/ignored movies and genres.

In June 2005, Ebert received his own star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and, during his trip, paid us a visit. In the transcript below of our chat, we recall his reflections on the influence and success of his work.

Mr. Ebert’s official site

‘Roger Ebert career highlights, on page and screen’

I am pleased to welcome Pulitzer Prize-winning film critic Roger Ebert to this program. The popular and influential movie reviewer has been co-hosting his own popular TV series since the mid-seventies, first with the late Gene Siskel, and now with Richard Roeper. He’s here in L.A. this week to receive his own star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. His most recent book is called ‘The Great Movies, Volume II,’ which is in stores everywhere. First of all, Mr. Ebert, an honor to meet you. Secondly, glad to have you on the program. And thirdly, congratulations on the star.

Roger Ebert: Thank you. Thank you. I enjoy your program. I enjoy your program. There needs to be more programs like yours on the air.

Tavis: That’s awfully kind. I’m not gonna say there should be more film critics because then you’d have more competition.

Ebert: The more the merrier. ‘Cause actually, a lot of the entertainment news is not film criticism. It’s just publicity and, you know, who got divorced, who’s in rehab.

Tavis: Which raises the fascinating question–I’ve got a lot more competition than you have. There are talk shows everywhere.

Ebert: Yeah, I know.

Tavis: But what is, in fact, the enduring something that’s allowed you to stay around all this time?

Ebert: You know, I think the thing that works on our show is that we review movies, and that’s what we do. We don’t interview stars. We don’t have gossip. We don’t show the new trailer of the movie that’s opening next week. We just say here’s a new movie, and we review it, and we get off the beaten path–not just the big movies, like ‘Batman Begins,’ but also little movies like ‘Me and You and Everyone We Know.’ Smaller films that people might not hear about. ‘The March of the Penguins,’ ‘The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill.’ And people, now that they’re using their DVD machines, are more curious about reaching out to some of these other films. They’re hungry for new ideas for what to rent and what to look at.

Tavis: I want to talk about the impact of the DVD in just a second. Before I do that, though, I don’t want to move so fast past this star. That’s such a huge honor to have a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

Ebert: I’m amazed.

Tavis: What did you make of this when you heard that you’re gonna get a star?

Ebert: I was astonished. And people think I got it for being a film critic. Actually, I got it for being on television for 30 years. And not very many people have been in the same format for that long. And certainly I hope that Gene Siskel gets a posthumous star one of these years because we had a great run together, and now Richard Roeper is a great partner. But I’ve been on TV for 30 years, so that’s why they gave me the star.

Tavis: How was that–so if I last 30 years, does that mean I automatically get a star?

Ebert: I should think so. You probably deserve one right now.

Tavis: Yeah, I doubt that. I doubt that very seriously. How did you navigate that–what I assume, at least, was a difficult transition?

Ebert: It was. We did the show twice with me by myself, and that did not work. Did not work because the whole thing about the show is give and take. It would be like you doing an interview with an empty chair. Can’t be done.

Tavis: Well, I talk to myself all the time, but that’s not at issue.

Ebert: On the other hand, how good are your answers?

Tavis: Exactly. And the ratings aren’t so good, but that’s another issue.

Ebert: So what we did, we had about 35 guest hosts–some of them more than once–would come in and do the show. Some great people. And eventually the one that we settled on was Richard Roeper, who worked for my paper, for the Chicago Sun-Times. So my wife said, ‘You ought to have Roeper on.’ I said, ‘I can’t have him. He works for the Sun-Times.’ and she said, ‘What difference does that make?’ And she was right because Roeper has turned out to be a terrific co-host, and we get along well, and we talk well, and he knows a lot about movies.

Tavis: Two questions relative to that specifically. How did you become such–I mean, we all love good movies, but how did you become such a lover of film, number one? And how did you– I know a lot of kids watching want to know this–somebody asked me this question the other day. I get asked it all the time. I got asked the other day. How did you, Tavis–how did you end up with a talk show? How did you end up being such a lover of movies, and how did you end up becoming the quintessential movie critic?

Ebert: Well, lover of movies… My hometown, Champaign-Urbana, they had a big fight over who was gonna get the TV license. And so even though I’m not that old, I grew up in a childhood that did not have television. And we went downtown to the Princess Theater and the other theaters in town; saw the double features. I grew up on movies. I love them. Had an aunt who took me to all the movies, too. And so I grew up loving movies, and at the University of Illinois, I went to the film society. I went to the local art theater. It just became part of my life. And as to how I became a film critic, people ask you a career question expecting to find out how they’re going to get to do it…

Tavis: Exactly.

Ebert: And what they find out is how you did it.

Tavis: Exactly.

Ebert: And that doesn’t help them. How did I get to be a film critic? I was a feature writer at the Chicago Sun-Times while I was in graduate school at the University of Chicago. The film critic retired, and they gave me the job. So I really don’t have any idea how, you know. And it was good luck.

Tavis: Yeah. I was ready for a great story, and it’s just ‘The guy retired. They gave me the job.’

Ebert: I had written about movies before for the Sun-Times and elsewhere, but I was not aiming at that job, and it just fell out of the sky, into my hands.

Tavis: Is it fair that you get a chance to do this? In other words, is it fair that a movie comes out, and because Roger Ebert says it stinks, thumbs down, people who respect your opinion either don’t give the movie a chance–they don’t go check–is that fair? Is that right?

Ebert: Actually, I wish that film critics in general had more influence, because if you really look at what drives the box office, it’s advertising more than anything else. Trailers, ads on TV. And when my thumb is up or down, that means very little as opposed to a $30 million advertising campaign. And what I’m trying to do, basically, is not tell people what they should do. The good critic never says what you would like or wouldn’t like because I don’t know what you would like. I just say what I like and why. I try to say why in such a way that you can make up your own mind.

There was an executive once who I said, ‘How come you give us these ‘Friday the 13th’ clips to review on the show when you know we’re gonna hate all of those movies?’ He says, ‘You show a clip from ‘Friday the 13th’ on your show, and you two guys say it stinks, and a lot of people at home will see the clip and say, oh, great, another ‘Friday the 13th’ movie.’ Of course, they expect us to say it stinks, but it still sells tickets.

Tavis: Yeah.

Ebert: So in a way it’s news. It’s just news.

Tavis: That’s a fascinating anecdote ’cause I was just about to ask you how you interpret–and you don’t do it for this particular reason, but when Roger Ebert does give the thumbs up, everybody takes that and runs it in their ads in the newspaper. So when I’m going through the newspaper looking for what I want to see, I always look to see what Ebert and Roeper gave it, or Ebert and Siskel, back in the day. Because you guys are the two big willies, I always look, just out of curiosity, to see what they said.

Ebert: The two big…

Tavis: Two big willies. That’s Ebonics. Don’t worry about it.

Ebert: I think I…

Tavis: South side of Chicago, they’ll clue you in.

Ebert: I think it translates pretty well. I like it a lot.

Tavis: You guys are the two big willies, so I’m, like, ‘What did they say about this?’ but it occurred to me one day, when you guys do give thumbs up, they jump on that, and they use that as a part of their sales pitch.

Ebert: The advantage to that is–’cause I was a film critic long before I was on television.

Tavis: Right.

Ebert: You know, they have a way of selecting words–lifting words out of a review.

Tavis: I’ve noticed that. Is that what that dot-dot-dot is?

Ebert: You could say ‘It’s astonishingly bad,’ and it comes out ‘Astonishing.’

Tavis: Yeah.

Ebert: At least if we give it 2 thumbs up, or one of us gives it thumbs up, it can’t be misquoted.

Tavis: Right.

Ebert: So at least you know, yes, Ebert liked it, or Ebert and Roeper liked it. So at least it’s not going to be misinterpreted.

Tavis: All right. DVD, you mentioned earlier. The box office for Hollywood is in a slump.

Ebert: It is.

Tavis: Some would attribute that to the advent of the DVD. Not just the advent. These things come out like 2 days after the movie hit.

Ebert: Well, DVDs are popular. Video games are kind of off the radar. Now, television, mass media hasn’t really covered video games because it’s too complicated. A really good video game can go down 20, 30, 40 layers. There’s no way to really review it except to just show one sample scene or something. Video games are big, and DVDs are big, but actually the box office slumped this year–if you look year to year, from last year to this year, you’ll find the movies aren’t the same.

I mean, the weekend that ‘Spiderman II’ opened last year, this year we got…I think it was ‘Monster-In-Law.’ You know, so it’s not gonna do ‘Spiderman II’ business. And so it’s not that the box office slumped, it’s that they didn’t have a blockbuster for that weekend. Some of the movies, like ‘Star Wars’ and ‘Batman Begins,’ it’s not going through the roof, but it’s certainly up in the attic somewhere. And Hollywood, I know, is concerned. And my advice is people like to go to the movies, they like to go to theaters. They want to go to something that excites them, and this has not been a real exciting summer.

Tavis: I’m glad you said that. I wonder, just beyond this summer–I’ve gone on your web site, which I want to reference in just a second on my little handy blue card here. But I wonder whether or not–well, you can feel this, obviously: Is your thumb staying up more these days, or staying down more? Is stuff getting worse or better?

Ebert: It’s interesting because on the web site I review most of everything. All kinds of movies. On TV we review movies that are basically in national release, and there are more movies than we can review. We tend to want to review movies that we tend to want to recommend. If it’s a big movie and we don’t like it, we’ll review it. If it’s a little movie and we don’t like it, we won’t bother with it. So that there’s a little statistical thing going on that aims toward more thumbs up, even though there may be thumbs-down movies out there that we’re not getting to. On the web site, I think it stays about the same.

Tavis: Jonathan. Right here, Jonathan. Has your thumb ever done this?

Ebert: I wish it would. You see, in the newspaper I give 1 to 4 stars. 3 stars means yes, 2 1/2 stars means no. And if I had a 5-star system, I would have a middle position.

And sometimes, you know, there’s that kind of movie. Well, it’s not that good, it’s not that bad. You know, I wish I had a middle position, but I don’t.

So we have the concept on TV where you’re talking about the affectionate thumbs down…or the marginal thumbs down, whatever that means. I mean, the thumbs are so gradated that they should have a dial for them.

Tavis: For those who’ve missed, or might have missed in this summer travel season some of your reviews of late, let me throw some names at you right quick, and top-line ’em for me. You gave this to ‘Batman Begins.’

Ebert: Yes, I did. It’s the first Batman movie I liked, except for one of the animated films, actually. Animated Batman. This was the first of the 5 big Batman films that I’ve liked, and I thought it was terrific. It’s right up there with ‘Spiderman II’ from last year as being a superhero movie that really does deliver in terms of what we feel about that superhero.

Tavis: You gave this to ‘Cinderella Man.’

Ebert: Yes, I did. I was surprised it didn’t do better at the box office. Maybe the title was wrong. Maybe the fact that he threw that telephone wasn’t a good idea. That movie is such a good performance by Russell Crowe, and such a nice man.

Tavis: I’ve not seen it, but I’ve heard about that. But I’ve also been in conversation with folk about the fact that they were surprised it didn’t do better, either, because boxing–Hollywood seems to love boxing movies.

Ebert: Well, yeah. And look at ‘Million Dollar Baby,’ how well that did. I’m surprised. I think it’ll probably find an audience on DVD. It’s a very good movie.

Tavis: I love Cedric the Entertainer. He’s a personal friend of mine.

Ebert: OK, now, I liked that movie.

Tavis: Hold the phone. I’m going there. I love him. He’s a personal friend of mine. He was on this show to promote his movie. But some more Ebonics for you, that movie didn’t bust a grape.

Ebert: Was it peeled, the grape?

Tavis: You gave it a thumbs up.

Ebert: I did.

Tavis: ‘The Honeymooners,’ we’re talking about.

Ebert: I’m gonna tell you I’m surprised at the negative opinions about that film. You’ve heard about that web site The Tomato Meter, where they evaluate it? It got, like, a 15 on the tomato meter. 85% of the critics hated it. I liked it. I thought that Mike Epps and Cedric the Entertainer were not trying to do Jackie Gleason and Art Carney, that they had their own angle. It was sweet, it was int–I loved the whole business of racing the greyhound. That was funny.

Tavis: Yeah, that was funny. I liked it.

Ebert: And Leguizamo was very funny as the so-called dog trainer, or dog whisperer. Come on, I’ll bet if people were to go to see that movie…

Tavis: They’d laugh.

Ebert: You hated it, though, right?

Tavis: No. I loved it.

Ebert: Oh, you did love it. Oh, I didn’t get that.

Tavis: I ain’t got a problem with it. I’m just saying it didn’t bust a grape. That’s all I’m saying.

Ebert: Oh, OK, OK. Well, I’m glad that we agree because it was a nice movie, wasn’t it?

Tavis: It was a very nice movie.

Ebert: What was bad about it?

Tavis: Nothing. It was a great movie.

Ebert: OK. Thank you.

Tavis: You give it thumbs up; I go see it, that’s how it works.

Ebert: OK.

Tavis: Roger Ebert, we congratulate on his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Nice to meet you.

Ebert: You bet.

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