{"id":12743,"date":"2016-03-31T10:38:50","date_gmt":"2016-03-31T18:38:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/?post_type=blog&#038;p=12743"},"modified":"2016-04-04T08:47:32","modified_gmt":"2016-04-04T16:47:32","slug":"leith-filmmakers-michael-beach-nichols-and-christopher-k-walker-capture-a-town-in-a-powderkeg","status":"publish","type":"blog","link":"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/blog\/leith-filmmakers-michael-beach-nichols-and-christopher-k-walker-capture-a-town-in-a-powderkeg\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Leith&#8221; Filmmakers Michael Beach Nichols and Christopher K. Walker Capture a Town in a Powderkeg"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Michael Beach Nichols and Christopher K. Walker have produced\u00a0eye-popping, gritty fare before, including an\u00a0acclaimed film about street dancing,\u00a0<em><a href=\"http:\/\/streetdancebrooklyn.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Flex Is Kings<\/a><\/em>, and the HBO film <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.hbo.com\/documentaries\/hard-times-lost-on-long-island\" target=\"_blank\">Hard Times: Lost in Long Island<\/a><\/em> (which Walker edited), but making <strong><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/films\/welcome-to-leith\/\">Welcome to Leith<\/a><\/em><\/strong> was a different experience altogether. The award-winning directorial\u00a0duo went\u00a0from urban New York to remote, rural North Dakota\u00a0to make\u00a0a film that put them on the, well, map, to record the tense story of notorious white supremacist Craig Cobb&#8217;s attempted takeover of a small town. The end result is a\u00a0&#8220;cautionary tale [that] couldn&#8217;t be more timely or essential&#8221; (<em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.latimes.com\/entertainment\/movies\/la-et-mn-welcome-to-leith-review-20151106-story.html\" target=\"_blank\">LA Times<\/a><\/em>).<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em>Welcome to Leith<\/em> is &#8220;is a sober, terrifying look at the very real monsters roaming the quiet countryside,&#8221; adds Bilge Ebiri in <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.vulture.com\/2015\/09\/welcome-to-leith-depicts-very-real-monsters.html\" target=\"_blank\">New York Magazine<\/a><\/em>, and &#8220;haunting&#8230;a stunning portrait of First Amendment rights pushed to their extremes&#8221; (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.indiewire.com\/article\/sundance-review-white-supremacist-takes-over-small-town-in-mesmerizing-doc-welcome-to-leith-20150129\" target=\"_blank\">IndieWire<\/a>). The film makes its television debut on <em>Independent Lens<\/em> on PBS Monday, April 4 at 10pm [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/tv-schedule\/#schedule-local\">check local listings<\/a>]. Directors Nichols and Walker talked to us about how making this tense, taut film \u2014 that includes subjects who were armed and dangerous \u2014 took its own\u00a0psychological toll.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p><b>Why did you make this film? <\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Because the story was incredibly compelling and contained several themes we were interested in exploring (racism, civil liberties, first amendment rights). <\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>And how did you first learn of the Leith situation and what made you decide to quickly mobilize to start capturing it as a film? \u00a0It must have taken you awhile to set up and get the lay of the land as events were already unfolding.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><pullquote class='left'>&#8220;We approached the project in many ways as a documentary version of a horror film.&#8221;<\/pullquote><b>Michael: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When I first read about Leith and Craig Cobb\u2019s plans in <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2013\/08\/30\/us\/white-supremacists-plan-angers-a-north-dakota-town.html?_r=0\" target=\"_blank\">The New York Times<\/a> <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">in August 2013, I was intrigued. But his plan seemed so far-fetched that I figured it\u2019d fizzle out once the national spotlight was on him and the town. I forwarded the article to my filmmaking partner Christopher K. Walker with the subject line \u201clet\u2019s go to ND,\u201d not really thinking it would happen. But then a month went by, and I read about Cobb holding a town hall meeting co-hosted by the head of the NSM (the largest neo-Nazi organization in the country), and the mostly Native American protest that ensued. The story was moving forward, and Cobb wasn\u2019t going away. A couple weeks after that a family of white supremacists moved to Leith and vowed to help Cobb succeed in his takeover plan. At that point we decided we needed to go to North Dakota to start filming; something really strange was happening. A story about race, extremism and civil liberties was playing out as a direct effect of the massive state oil boom in a ghost town miles from civilization.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In town, the houses are clustered fairly close together given the empty prairie enveloping it on all sides. This layout meant that we\u2019d be filming with the family of white supremacists during the first part of a day, and then go literally across the street and film with their neighbors for the second part of the day. We were open with both sides about wanting to tell the whole story, but it still felt surreal to keep going back and forth. Part of what was so fascinating about the story was that what Cobb and his followers were attempting was completely legal. Chris and I were captivated by Cobb\u2019s motivations and the implications of his plan for Leith and what that could mean for other small towns in America if people started following in his footsteps.<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_12746\" style=\"width: 823px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-12746\" class=\"size-large wp-image-12746\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/MBNichols-CKWalker-Leith-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"Welcome to Leith filmmakers Michael Beach Nichols and Christopher K. Walker (l-r)\" width=\"813\" height=\"457\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/MBNichols-CKWalker-Leith-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/MBNichols-CKWalker-Leith-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/MBNichols-CKWalker-Leith.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 813px) 100vw, 813px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-12746\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Welcome to Leith filmmakers Michael Beach Nichols and Christopher K. Walker<\/p><\/div>\n<p><b>How did you gain the trust of main players in this story on both sides of the issue? <\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We were as transparent as possible about wanting to tell the complete story from the perspective of everyone involved in the situation, and everyone who participated in the film understood that. As well, I think it helped that we were a two-person crew \u2013 this allowed us the intimacy necessary to tell such a delicate and charged story. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Did you experience any culture shock, coming from the East Coast to a very rural part of the Midwest?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Leith\u2019s isolation struck us immediately. After driving two hours from Bismarck and passing maybe 10 cars on a two-lane highway, we turned onto a dirt road and drove another three miles. Our GPS didn\u2019t work, and we ended up driving into a small crick on some farmland, getting stuck. We had to call the Mayor and hike up a hill so he could find us and pull us out. It was a rough start, but we like to think we endeared ourselves to the town once that story got out.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>There&#8217;s a creepy element to the film, not just the plot but the setting and the tension and everything. Did you strive to make it feel that way as you were shooting and then editing it? <\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We approached the project in many ways as a documentary version of a horror film\u00a0\u2014 everyone was scared and confused and felt as if one wrong move could end in violence. The tension was palpable. To help convey that, we embraced some tropes of genre filmmaking\u00a0\u2014 slow push-ins, disorienting glidecam, long b-roll establishing shots. Some of the editing in the cell phone-filmed armed patrol borrows from the [horror anthology] <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">V\/H\/S<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, and then our composer, T. Griffin, came up with an absolutely haunting, otherworldly score. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Welcome to Leith Trailer | Independent Lens | PBS\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ioWdudCibo8?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<p><b>What were some of the other\u00a0challenges you faced in making <\/b><b><i>Welcome to Leith<\/i><\/b><b>?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><pullquote class='right'>&#8220;Donald Trump is mainstreaming a lot of the views that white supremacists hold dear.&#8221;<\/pullquote><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Living in NYC while attempting to document a rapidly evolving situation in North Dakota was incredibly difficult. Luckily the people living in Leith were documenting each other, so their footage allowed us to fill in what we couldn\u2019t be there to film.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Finding production funding was tricky, too. After our first trip, we decided to cut a teaser and post it online to see what would happen. Luckily, it went viral and received nearly 22K views in a day, resulting in a lot of interest. This is how we partnered up with The Cinemart and Sundial Pictures, who financed our next two production trips and allowed us to turn what we thought would be a short into a feature-length film.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The film took a psychological toll on us, as well. It wasn\u2019t possible to distance ourselves from the fear and anxiety that was coursing through the town\u00a0\u2014 everyone was armed and preparing for the worst. And it was frequently disturbing listening to the ideologies of the white supremacists who participated in the film. These networks are frequently violent, and that\u2019s something we\u2019ve had to come to terms with as the film goes out into the world.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>What would you like viewers of <em>Welcome to Leith<\/em> to take away from it, as far as points of discussion? i.e., What do you think we can all learn from this situation, and do you think it can happen again (especially in such a tense political climate as we have right now)?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We aimed to capture the sense of fear and isolation that residents living in a town of 24 people 70 miles from anything experienced when Cobb made his takeover intentions public. And we tried to get inside Cobb\u2019s head, too &#8211; really, to somewhat objectively capture a very strange and scary moment in time. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We hope the film triggers conversations about what it means to live in this messy American democracy where you and your next door neighbor might hold diametrically opposed views. Given this year&#8217;s political season, we feel that the film is more timely than ever. Donald Trump is mainstreaming a lot of the views that white supremacists hold dear (Craig Cobb is a huge supporter), so it doesn&#8217;t seem so outlandish that something like what happened in Leith could happen again. But we don&#8217;t think the film provides many answers.<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_12748\" style=\"width: 823px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-12748\" class=\"size-large wp-image-12748\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/leith-mayor-schock-and-cook-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"Leith mayor Ryan Schock and resident Lee Cook\" width=\"813\" height=\"457\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/leith-mayor-schock-and-cook-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/leith-mayor-schock-and-cook-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/leith-mayor-schock-and-cook.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 813px) 100vw, 813px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-12748\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Leith mayor Ryan Schock and resident Lee Cook<\/p><\/div>\n<p><b>Do you have any updates on where the main players in the Leith story are right now? Cobb, Kynan, Ryan Schock, and the town itself?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Craig Cobb recently attempted a similar move in Antler, North Dakota. He was unsuccessful, but ended up bankrupting the town as it out-bid him to buy up available properties. Most of his recent online activity is centered around supporting Donald Trump. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ryan Schock is still Mayor of Leith. He&#8217;s hoping to put everything behind him and wants things to go back to the way they used to be before his town was exposed to the national spotlight. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The town seems to be returning back to normal \u2014 we visited last fall and things seemed very quiet and peaceful. But then again, we&#8217;re not from there so it&#8217;s hard for us to say. There are still three plots of land owned by white supremacists Jeff Schoep, Alex Linder, and Tom Metzger, but they were vacant last time we were there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Was there anything else you originally wanted to include in your film that didn\u2019t make the cut?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There was a storyline about a couple that bought some properties from Cobb right before he was outed by the SPLC [Southern Poverty Law Center].\u00a0They claimed to be unaware of his ideology, but the townspeople were suspicious and concerned they were followers of Cobb. We spent a lot of time filming with them, and had to cut them towards the very end of the edit.\u00a0The town is still very divided.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We also spent a lot of time filming with Jeremy Kelly of Unity ND. Unity ND formed to oppose Cobb\u2019s takeover plan, and they organized the huge protest to Jeff Schoep and Craig Cobb\u2019s town hall meeting (featured in the film). Jeremy bought a house in Leith to increase the number of those living in town [who were] opposed to Cobb\u2019s plan.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Have the people featured in the film seen it, and if so, what did they think? <\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Most of the people in the film still living in Leith have seen it (the Schock family, the Cook family, the Harper family, Gregory Bruce). Those who have seen the film have responded very positively to it, which of course is a relief, though we can add that\u00a0Craig Cobb has also now seen the film (we sent him an iTunes link in December 2015), and has been posting about it frequently on white supremacist message boards. His overall take is elusive, but he&#8217;s not pleased that the talk show involving his DNA results is included in the film.\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>What are your three favorite films?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Michael: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Pulp Fiction, The Shining, Mr. Death.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><b>Christopher<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">: <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Badlands, Contempt, Sherman\u2019s March.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><b>Can you tell us what projects you are working on next?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We&#8217;re currently finishing up <a href=\"https:\/\/vimeo.com\/133395210\" target=\"_blank\">a short documentary on youth bullriding<\/a> at a Christian camp in Oklahoma, and are currently producing and filming a feature documentary on NYC nightlife\/fashion\/LGBT icon <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kickstarter.com\/projects\/255192023\/bartschland\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Susanne Bartsch for first-time filmmakers Anthony&amp;Alex<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>See more on the making of the film here:<\/p>\n<div class=\"video-wrap cf\"><iframe id=\"partnerPlayer\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"  src=\"https:\/\/player.pbs.org\/widget\/partnerplayer\/2365690445\/?chapterbar=false&topbar=true&autoplay=false\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Michael Beach Nichols and Christopher K. 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