{"id":13653,"date":"2016-07-27T08:09:54","date_gmt":"2016-07-27T16:09:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/?post_type=blog&#038;p=13653"},"modified":"2020-08-07T15:50:58","modified_gmt":"2020-08-07T22:50:58","slug":"filmmakers-americas-first-woman-gold-medalist-in-boxing","status":"publish","type":"blog","link":"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/blog\/filmmakers-americas-first-woman-gold-medalist-in-boxing\/","title":{"rendered":"In the Ring with the USA&#8217;s First Women&#8217;s Boxing Olympic Gold Medalist"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>Zackary Canepari and Drea Cooper<\/strong>&#8216;s film <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/films\/t-rex-her-fight-for-gold.\/\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">T-Rex: Her Fight for Gold<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0tells the story of Claressa &#8220;T-Rex&#8221; Shields, who at the 2012 London Olympics became the first American woman to win a Gold medal in boxing. After a long,\u00a0hard road coming out of Flint, Michigan, Shields entered Rio 2016 as the number one ranked woman in the world as she strives for another Gold.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The filmmaking duo connected with producer <strong>Sue Jaye Johnson<\/strong>, who had been\u00a0documenting Shields for several years, starting with &#8220;T-Rex&#8217;s&#8221; first elite boxing tournament, and spearheaded an unprecedented collaboration between <em>The New York Times<\/em>, NPR, and WNYC to document the first women to box in the Olympics. \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.radiodiaries.org\/teen-contender\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Teen Contender<\/a>,\u201d that Peabody Award-winning radio documentary Johnson\u00a0co-produced with Radio Diaries, followed Claressa\u2019s journey to the Olympics. Canepari and Cooper, who&#8217;ve been working together since 2009 and were named to\u00a0<i>Filmmaker<\/i> <i>Magazine<\/i>\u2019s Top 25 New Filmmakers to Watch list, collaborated with Johnson and <em>T-Rex<\/em><em>\u00a0<\/em>was on its way.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Zack and Drea have been busy working on several projects (more on that below), but Johnson, who is an integral part of <em>T-Rex<\/em> getting made and distributed, answered collectively for the three of them. <em>T-Rex<\/em> was recently a<em> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2016\/06\/24\/movies\/t-rex-review.html?_r=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>New York Times<\/em> Critic Pick<\/a>: <\/em>&#8220;You don&#8217;t have to be a boxing fan to be awed by Claressa Shields, the first woman to win an Olympic gold medal in the sport. But if you are, you&#8217;ll still be knocked out.&#8221;<!--more--><\/p>\n<p><b>When did you first become aware of Claressa&#8217;s story and what compelled you to want to follow her for awhile to make a movie about it?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Sue:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Five years ago, I started boxing. There were so many lessons in the ring for me \u2014 about pulling punches and dealing with fear and pressure. I was curious what other women were getting out of hitting the heavy bags&#8230; and each other. 2012 was the first year women were allowed to box in the Olympic games so I started photographing and interviewing the women who were hoping to make history for <em>The New York Times Magazine<\/em>, WNYC, and NPR.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At the last Olympic qualifier, a quiet 16-year-old girl scored a TKO in the first round. She was so unrestrained \u2014 so dominant. It was Claressa\u2019s first fight against adult women. No one had seen her box before. I teamed up with Radio Diaries [for &#8220;Teen Contender&#8221;] and we gave Claressa a recorder and mic to document her attempts to make the Olympic team. The stakes were so high. Here was this kid from Flint with an oversized dream and everything was against her. It was so clear that her story needed to be a film, too. But the Olympics were coming up fast and I\u2019d never made a film before.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Enter Zack Canepari and Drea Cooper. They had been working on a series called <a href=\"http:\/\/californiaisaplace.com\/cali\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">California is a place.<\/a> and they were making an MTV pilot about girl fighters. They met Claressa in Flint and recognized immediately how determined she was to rise above a very chaotic life in Flint. [Her coach] Jason [Crutchfield] knew we were all interested in making a film and he connected us.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It was an arranged marriage. We spoke on the phone, hammered out the details of how we would work together, and we met for the first time on the road filming Claressa\u2019s international debut in Canada. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We filmed for 18 months from Claressa\u2019s 17th birthday through her high school graduation, and then some. In between, she had her first loss, won the gold medal, fell in love, split with Jason, and learned how to maintain her balance through it all.<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_13654\" style=\"width: 1522px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-13654\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13654\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/zack_sue_drea_trex.jpg\" alt=\"Drea Cooper, Sue Jaye Johnson, and Zack Canepari (l-r)\" width=\"1512\" height=\"605\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/zack_sue_drea_trex.jpg 1512w, https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/zack_sue_drea_trex-300x120.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/zack_sue_drea_trex-1024x410.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1512px) 100vw, 1512px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-13654\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Zack Canepari, Sue Jaye Johnson, and Drea Cooper<\/p><\/div>\n<p><b>What were some of the biggest challenges you faced in making this film?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Like Claressa, we weren\u2019t sure what was going to happen after the gold medal. When she got home from London, Claressa\u2019s phone was ringing off the hook, but that didn\u2019t lead to any big opportunities or support for Claressa and Jason. She&#8217;s the one who supports her younger brother and sister \u2014 and her mom. She\u2019d been focused on London for so long, she didn\u2019t know what came next. Should she go pro? Get a job? Go to college? Start a \u00a0family? And then Claressa and Jason went their separate ways. We kept shooting and realized the film would have a solid third act. Maybe a fourth and fifth act. Making a narrative structure out of that, where the Olympics happen two-thirds of the way through, that was a challenge. And then \u2014 wrapping up filming. There was always something dramatic going on in her life \u2014 and in Flint. We shot enough to have made a sequel.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>How did you gain the trust of Claressa and Jason and the other people featured in <\/b><b><i>T-Rex<\/i><\/b><b>?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It made a mark on Jason that we were there early, that we immediately understood how exceptional Claressa\u2019s was, how much was at stake and how hard they had worked to get where they were. And that we were committed for the long haul. They knew Claressa was going to make history and they wanted their story told.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And the process was valuable. For Jason, listening to those early interviews was the first time he heard Claressa open up about her life. He knew she was often hungry at home and unsupervised \u2014 she would call him up in the middle of the night for a meal and a place to sleep, but she was quiet and never talked about it. Not even on their 12-hour drives to tournaments. The microphone and cameras were permission to talk about difficult stuff.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Also, Jason and Claressa are real partners in this project. It is not a passive experience being documented 24\/7 for nearly two years. We were all there with a job to do and everyone was working really hard. We all recognized that in each other. No one changed what they were saying or doing when the cameras were on. And we spent a lot of time together not filming, just hanging out.<\/span><\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.pbs.org\/viralplayer\/2365793231\/\" width=\"512\" height=\"376\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" seamless=\"\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe>\n<p><b>What would you have liked to include in your film that didn\u2019t make the cut?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">More [in] Flint. The weekend BBQ\u2019s, Sunday church, the basement hair salons. We had all this great archival footage of Flint in its heyday. Flint pride is a real thing. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When we were filming, there were all these scenes of Claressa in a basement hair salons surrounded by women who were giving her advice on everything \u2014 beauty, boys, family drama. When Claressa came back from London it felt like the whole city showed up at the airport to celebrate. There was an entire marching band! That community, that sense of place \u2014 that\u2019s Flint in a nutshell. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It\u2019s the reason Zack and Drea are still in Flint doing follow up stories.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Flint, Michigan has of course been in the news recently for <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Flint_water_crisis\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">distressing reasons<\/a>.\u00a0You just touched on it a bit, but what do you think Claressa Shields means to the people of Flint now, both from her Olympics success and this film? Does she, and do you, find hope in that city&#8217;s future?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Everyone in Flint knows who Claressa is. There\u2019s a huge billboard of her outside of the city limits. Berston Gym has gotten some funding and they\u2019ve hired more coaches and taken in a new crop of kids. Claressa left Flint last year and moved to the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs. Life at home in Flint was too unstable. She\u2019s been looking for a place to relocate her family and she\u2019s got her eye on Florida. She\u2019ll get her little brother Peanut into school and Brianna a job at a hair salon. That\u2019s the plan. She\u2019s hoping that her success in Rio will help make that possible.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The water crisis is real and ongoing and the stress of living there is palpable. Claressa\u2019s success is one way of keeping Flint in the news. And a reminder, hopefully, that there are many kids like her, with all that potential, but who need a lot of help to thrive.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Tell us about a scene in the film that especially moved or resonated with you.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Claressa desperately wanted to take her family with her to the Olympics. Jason knows this is a terrible idea. Her mom struggles with addiction and has never once made the effort to see her fight. But Claressa is so loyal. And she thinks she can work it out if she can just get her mom and dad\u2019s wife to get along in London. She takes them out to dinner at Applebee\u2019s and she\u2019s got her talking points written down in her journal. She\u2019s got everything written down in that journal. When her Mom starts drinking and then gets into it with her dad\u2019s wife, you can see it sink in; \u00a0she\u2019s going to have to leave them behind if she wants to accomplish her dream. <\/span><\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"INDEPENDENT LENS | T-Rex: Her Fight for Gold | Preview | PBS\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/TN-Nm22M7IU?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<p><b>Claressa and her coach Jason have had what you could call an up and down relationship and eventual falling out. As things got tenser as you filmed, did Jason want the filming to stop at any point? Along those lines has he seen the film?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Jason and Claressa don\u2019t do things halfway. This was their story and they both wanted it told \u2014 the good and the bad. As Claressa says, no sugar coating.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Claressa and Jason\u2019s estrangement was because she wanted to date her sparring partner, Rell, who was also one of Jason\u2019s fighters. But it was about so much more than that. Claressa was 18. She\u2019d seen the bigger world and she was ready to step out from under his protection. Jason wanted his fighter to comply. Claressa moved out and they didn\u2019t speak for months, but they both came to the premiere at SXSW last year. They were sitting in the same aisle and when the first boxing match came on, Jason leaned over to Claressa and they started talking about her jab. When it comes to boxing, they forget that they aren\u2019t talking. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Jason is proud of the film. He wants people to know how much he\u2019s sacrificed to train the kids who show up at the gym every night at six. And how much he and his wife, Mickey, did to take care of Claressa.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These days, Claressa and Jason Skype and text regularly. Especially when she\u2019s out of the country competing. Jason isn\u2019t an Olympic coach so Claressa trains with USA Boxing\u2019s coach. And she\u2019s living full-time at the Olympic Training Center.<\/span><\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.pbs.org\/viralplayer\/2365793240\/\" width=\"512\" height=\"376\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" seamless=\"\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe>\n<p><b>Do you think people are more accepting of the idea of female athletes than in the past?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It depends on what kind of athlete. As Claressa finds out after winning the gold medal, our society isn\u2019t ready to embrace a woman who relishes her aggression the way she does.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It wasn\u2019t until 1995 that women were even allowed to fight in the amateurs \u2014 and that was only because of a lawsuit. In the U.S., women pro boxers are not televised. Men get paid ten times what a woman gets to fight on the same card. Claressa aspires to break those glass ceilings. Not just for herself but for the sport. If she\u2019s fighting on a pro card, she says she will insist that other women are on the card so it\u2019s not a zero-sum game where there is only room for one successful woman.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Women&#8217;s\u2019 boxing becoming an Olympic sport expands the margins of what is acceptable for women and girls around the world. At a time when women\u2019s rights are being encroached upon, particularly in the Middle East and Africa, showcasing the stories of fierce women is hugely important. And inspiring.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Do you have any concerns about Claressa being at the Rio Olympics, given the political situation and infrastructure issues going on there?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There\u2019s definitely potential for danger and unrest but the world, in general, is a hot mess right now so that is true of pretty much anywhere. Other cities have pulled off seemingly impossible feats \u2014 South Africa hosted the World Cup without incident, and it was a source of national pride. Let\u2019s hope when it comes time for the athletes to perform that will be the prevailing sentiment.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There\u2019s a whole other documentary to be made about the Olympic Industrial Complex \u2014 who benefits and who loses. It\u2019s big business.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>But it\u2019s also a thing of beauty. We saw that when we were in London in 2012. For a few weeks, the world is paying attention to the potential of our humanity \u2014 we\u2019re all for that.<\/p>\n<p><b>What didn\u2019t you get done when you were making your film?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Drea skipped out on some diaper changing. He had two (!) children while we were making this film. Zack didn\u2019t sleep much in his new house. He&#8217;s finally negotiated a monthly rate at the Holiday Inn Express in Flint. Sue put her burgeoning boxing career on hold \u2014 she still aspires to have a match someday, if Claressa will work her corner.<\/p>\n<p><b>What other project(s) are you working on or planning on working on next?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Zack and Drea are both still working in Flint. Zack has a photo book coming out called <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Rex<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> about Claressa and her sister Briana. The book is being published by Contrasto and will be released in the fall. Also, he is producing a web series called &#8220;Flint is a Place,&#8221; which features new material of both Claressa and Briana as well as other Flint stories. Drea and Zack are making their first VR [virtual reality] film as part of this series as well. The main project will be published around the same time that Claressa fights in the 2016 Olympics.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Zack and Drea are also working together on a project about the relationship between the police and community in Flint. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.npr.org\/sections\/thetorch\/2016\/07\/27\/486748283\/for-olympic-boxer-claressa-shields-round-2-brings-new-expectations\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sue did a follow up about Claressa for NPR<\/a> [see below] and she\u2019s working with RockGirl, which takes girls on road trips across South Africa to meet and document the lives of other girls.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>What are your three favorite films<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sue: <em>When We Were Kings<\/em>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>One of Drea&#8217;s favorite films is <em>George Washington,<\/em> directed by David Gordon Green.<\/p>\n<p>Zack likes <em>Bombay Beach<\/em> by Alma Har&#8217;el. Also <em>Fletch,<\/em> with Chevy Chase.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Listen to NPR <a href=\"http:\/\/www.npr.org\/sections\/thetorch\/2016\/07\/27\/486748283\/for-olympic-boxer-claressa-shields-round-2-brings-new-expectations\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>All Things Considered<\/em><\/a> piece with Claressa Shields and Sue Jaye Johnson:<\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"NPR embedded audio player\" src=\"http:\/\/www.npr.org\/player\/embed\/486748283\/487665703\" width=\"100%\" height=\"290\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Zackary Canepari and Drea Cooper&#8216;s film T-Rex: Her Fight for Gold\u00a0tells the story of Claressa &#8220;T-Rex&#8221; Shields, who at the 2012 London Olympics became the first American woman to win a Gold medal in boxing. 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