{"id":16632,"date":"2018-02-21T09:50:09","date_gmt":"2018-02-21T17:50:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/?post_type=blog&#038;p=16632"},"modified":"2023-09-29T10:11:07","modified_gmt":"2023-09-29T17:11:07","slug":"filmmaker-theo-anthony-ratty-urban-segregation-rat-film","status":"publish","type":"blog","link":"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/blog\/filmmaker-theo-anthony-ratty-urban-segregation-rat-film\/","title":{"rendered":"Filmmaker Theo Anthony&#8217;s Ratty Exploration of Urban Segregation"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><pullquote class='left'>&#8220;<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It\u2019s cool to watch younger audiences watch the film, because they just get the filmic language right away. It\u2019s a film that feels more like an Instagram story than a traditional documentary.&#8221;<\/pullquote><\/span>In the <em>New York Times<\/em> critics&#8217; pick review of Theo Anthony&#8217;s\u00a0<em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/documentaries\/rat-film\/\">Rat Film<\/a>,\u00a0<\/em>Jeannette Catsoulis wrote: &#8220;Equal parts disturbing and humorous, informative and bizarre,\u00a0<em>Rat Film<\/em> is a brilliantly imaginative and formally experimental essay on how Baltimore has dealt with its rat problem and manipulated its black population.&#8221; She continues, &#8220;Anthony shines as much light on racist urban planning as on ratty behavior. Lessons on\u00a0residential segregation\u00a0slip in quietly among oddball portraits of city residents who harbor, hunt or otherwise relate to the creatures.&#8221; <em>The New Yorker&#8217;<\/em>s Richard Brody called <em>Rat Film<\/em> nothing less than &#8220;one of the most extraordinary, visionary inspirations in the recent cinema.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><em>Rat Film<\/em> is, remarkably, Anthony&#8217;s first feature film. Remarkable not just because the film is an assured and wholly unique piece of work, but also because he&#8217;s already made a name for himself as maker of short films and music videos.\u00a0His work\u00a0has been featured by <em>The Atlantic<\/em>, VICE, BBC World News, and other international media outlets, and in 2015 he was named one of <em>Filmmaker Magazine<\/em>\u2019s \u201c25 New Faces of Independent Film.\u201d Anthony&#8217;s work to date, the magazine wrote, &#8220;are vividly realized collisions of personality and place, keenly aware of both the filmmaker\u2019s perspective as well as the interiority of their subjects.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><b>What led you to want to make a film about rats in Baltimore (that&#8217;s more than about rats)?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>Theo Anthony:\u00a0<\/strong>The first shot of the film was that iPhone video of the rat in the trash can. I came home one night, heard a noise, and started filming. Emotionally, the film was an earnest and personal attempt to try to understand the history of Baltimore, and to document my process of trying to understand my own place within it. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">With rats and urban planning and all the other things the film goes into, there was an incredible wealth of material out there, such as Dawn Day Biehler\u2019s <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Pests in the City<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and Antero Pietila\u2019s <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Not in My Neighborhood<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, and so it was really a matter of following a path that had been charted by the generous scholarship, histories, and experience of others that came before me. The film is a documentation of me trying to make sense of that path. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>What discussions or conversations would you like people to have after they see this film? <\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I don\u2019t think I can really prescribe a discussion or conversation to be had. I\u2019m interested in the metaphor of architecture when it comes to filmmaking. An architect doesn\u2019t tell people what to do inside of a space, but through design can introduce elements that can enable someone to have different perspectives on their experience. Yes, the architect is accountable for their design but ultimately it\u2019s the person who has to have the experience. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In a film context, the best that I can hope for is someone to look, think about how they are looking, and to apply those lessons once the film is over. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Was there anything you learned while researching and making <\/b><b><i>Rat Film<\/i><\/b><b> that really surprised you?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I wouldn\u2019t call it surprising necessarily, but the ways in which all of these seemingly different moments in history\u2014pest control, eugenics, urban planning\u2014seemed to dovetail in the same institutions and ideologies was certainly unexpected. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Can you talk about your unusual approach to making this film, which is kind of a historical mosaic?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In making this film, I tried to be as honest as possible to my process of discovery as possible. If there was an archival document, I\u2019d show that document. If I was exploring Google Maps I\u2019d show a screenshot of my computer. My ride-along with Harold is literally the first time we ever hung out. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In terms of the editing, most of my inspiration comes from exploring internet. I wanted to find a way to capture the way my brain assembles information into narratives, which is a process of having 30 or 40 tabs open, and starting one article, getting bored, jumping down a Wikipedia hole then switching over to a video, then getting interrupted by a call from my Mom, etc. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It\u2019s cool to watch younger audiences watch the film, because they just get the filmic language right away. It\u2019s a film that feels more like an Instagram story than a traditional documentary.<\/span><\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Rat Film Trailer | Independent Lens | PBS\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/cuQ4WiXBhO0?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<p><b>What&#8217;s a moment from this film that especially sticks with you and why? Or is there one part of this film in particular that you hope people share and talk about?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The moment that I found all those stellar glitches in the Google Maps was a breakthrough. I was editing the film at a residency in upstate New York, feeling really alienated from my home and the city that I was making this film about. I started spending hours in Google Earth at night, roaming the streets of Baltimore. I found that it was a really poignant way to speak to my alienation and my distance, but also the different histories and modes of documentary that the film engages. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Do you have any of your own memorable urban rat encounter stories?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I found a rat in a trash can once and made a whole film about it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>What are your three favorite\/most influential documentaries or feature films, or films that in particular were in mind when you made this film?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Chris Marker\u2019s <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sans Soleil<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, Harun Farocki\u2019s <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Images of the World<\/span><\/i> <i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">and the Inscription of War<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, and Richard Kelly\u2019s <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Southland Tales<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>What projects are you working on next?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019m currently working on a new documentary that looks into different relationships between technology, vision, and power.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the New York Times critics&#8217; pick review of Theo Anthony&#8217;s\u00a0Rat Film,\u00a0Jeannette Catsoulis wrote: &#8220;Equal parts disturbing and humorous, informative and bizarre,\u00a0Rat Film is a brilliantly imaginative and formally experimental essay on how Baltimore has dealt with its rat problem and manipulated its black population.&#8221; She continues, &#8220;Anthony shines as much light on racist urban [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":13,"featured_media":16634,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[938],"tags":[1289],"topic":[1260,1219,1225,1263,1264],"class_list":["post-16632","blog","type-blog","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-interviews","tag-filmmaker-interview","topic-civil-rights-2","topic-health-and-environment","topic-politics-and-government","topic-poverty-2","topic-race-ethnicity"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.2 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Filmmaker of &quot;Rat Film&quot; Explores Urban Segregation | PBS | Independent Lens<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Acclaimed filmmaker Theo Anthony talks about his unique approach to his film about rats and the urban history of Baltimore, the NYT Critics&#039; Pick film Rat Film.\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/independentlens\/blog\/filmmaker-theo-anthony-ratty-urban-segregation-rat-film\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"A Shocking Tail: Filmmaker Uses Rats to Explore Urban Segregation\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"&quot;It\u2019s cool to watch younger audiences watch the film, because they just get the filmic language right away. 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