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RUSTY ZIPPER PERSPECTIVES
 

October 22,1999
 


Now, more on our special emphasis on what the 2000 presidential campaign should be about. Essayist Jim Fisher recently spoke with members of the Rusty Zipper Club in Warrensburg, Missouri. The club is an informal group of men who have been meeting for coffee six days a week, for over 40 years.

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JIM FISHER: What do you think the issues should be in next year's election?

JOHN PRICE, Retired Veterinarian: Social Security, Medicare and maybe here close to Whiteman Air Force base would be defense. That would be some of the issues I would say would be important.

JIM FISHER: What about them? I mean, do you want more Social Security?

JOHN PRICE: Well, I want the Social Security to remain, I don't want them to cut it anymore. And Medicare, they've already cut Medicare to some extent.

RICH LAWSON, Stockbroker: We continue to raise the amount that we must pay into Social Security, but at the same time for myself, I seriously doubt I'll be able to draw Social Security prior to age 70 and maybe not then because it's constantly changing and pushing backward. If the report put out by the Social Security system is correct, and they expect the whole thing to really be bankrupt by 2019, and this is one of the problems I have. One group says, "There's no problem. Social Security is not in trouble whatsoever." And then you have the group itself that says, "we got a lot of trouble here, and some major changes have to be made." All that major change is dumped on the back of the middle man in America that is paying for all of that. Everyone else is able to participate in Social Security that comes into our country, yet the people who pay into it are constantly being pushed farther and farther back.

JIM FISHER: Who else?

KENNETH CARTER, Retired Businessman: You have crime, you have schools, you have world peace, you have a lot of things to talk about here as far as what you'd like to see your politicians do.

JIM JOYNER, Insurance Agent: Well, I think the Kansas City school system is a prime example of throwing all the money at the world at it, and they're still not educating the students that are there. I think that if they had taken that money and...

PERSON IN GROUP: About a billion dollars.

JIM JOYNER: About a billion dollars. And put more teachers in the school system, where the student to teacher ratio instead of 25 to 1 was 10 or 15 to 1, especially in the early classes, kindergarten through fifth, sixth grade, that those students would be a very viable part of the community today.

JOHN PRICE: The quality of teachers is important, I think. I think they need to raise the quality of our teachers, especially in the lower grades.

BOB PIERCE, Retired School Administrator: But people aren't going to go into teaching, John, unless the salaries are not adequate.

JOHN PRICE: That's right.

BOB PIERCE: And the salaries are not adequate.

MARSHALL LEDERER, Retired Physician: I think that when I hear that 25 percent of the high school graduates are functionally illiterate, this is a bad commentary on the function of the public school, and I'm wondering about vouchers.

JIM FISHER: You think that's going to be an issue-- vouchers?

MARSHAL LEDERER: I don't know that, but I think that it's something that ought to be addressed.

VERNON LOVALL, Retired Engineer: I think that the federal government ought to get out of our business and run the federal government as what it was intended for, instead of this micro stuff that they've been giving us. "We can't do this, we can't do that. We've got less money, more money, no money," and it's just all confusing. It's all a bunch of smoke.

EARL UHLER, Retired Air National Guard Pilot: I'm concerned about defense, the money we're spending on that. It's one thing people understand, that's strength. And these foreign countries, if they think we're weak, weak in our defense they're going to try us, somebody's going to try us. We've got to keep our defense spending up. I hate to see the money go to some of the places it goes, but we got to keep that defense spending up, or we're going to be in big, big trouble. We're in enough trouble as it is because we have dropped our defense spending. We've dropped our armed forces from down to a very minimum, and we've got to keep our defense spending up to keep these people from thinking that we are weak.

JIM FISHER: Do you think that's going to be a big issue?

EARL UHLER: Yes, I do. I really do.

JIM JOYNER: We talk about our military being everywhere in the world. Our foreign policy, our embassies are everywhere in the world. I mean, the United States can only do so much. I don't think we're the cure-all for the world. We have to take care of ourselves first. You know, charity begins at home. And there are millions of people in this country that are below the poverty line. And in the business that I'm in I see people come in and they talk about health insurance which is probably an issue we need to address -- you know -- prescriptions for the elderly.

JIM FISHER: Well, maybe one of the issues, do you think one of the issues is going to be prescription drugs?

GROUP: I think it will be.

VI BIELEFEDT, Retired Air Force Pilot: Because we're all greedy in one way or another, we elect our politicians to get what we want as a group, or as an individual for our area, or for our way of life, and so we elect them that way.

JIM FISHER: Do you think campaign finance reform will be an issue?

VI BIELEFEDT: We already passed a campaign finance bill, did we not? We limited it to a $1,000 a piece, and now we have a thing invented called soft money which is bigger than the original.

BOB PIERCE: What we're seeing is these people are groomed, and you've got to be nice to a lot of people to get elected and you've got to be able to raise money and the first thing you know, here's some guy going into office, but he has so many favors to pay for all the money that he's had, and all the support he's had, that he ends up walking into the office for the first time and he's already corrupt.

JIM FISHER: You don't mean corrupt money- wise, but corrupt...

BOB PIERCE: Corrupt because he's paying back favors. He will do things that he would not do normally in order to satisfy those people so that he can be reelected.

JIM JOYNER: Are you willing for our taxpayers money to pay for the election?

BOB PIERCE: No. Because the people are going to distribute it to the same people that are stealing now -- the same crooks.

RICH LAWSON: Our politicians come on TV and they say we're going to do this, this is number one, so on and so forth, but when it comes right down to delivering, you run into the brick wall, you hit the wall and finally you just go home and say...

JIM FISHER: Why don't they care?

RICH LAWSON: It doesn't matter. And that's bad. When you come to a point when a nation, any people come to the point they don't even vote because they feel like it doesn't matter, what I say or what I want, it does not matter because the politician has taken too many big bucks, and he's going to listen first to those people that gave him the big bucks.

JIM JOYNER: You know, most people who are out here, blue collar workers are out here working everyday, whether they're running a bulldozer or, you know, working in a hospital or whatever. What they, I think what they believe what goes on in Washington really has very little effect on them.

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