September 29, 2025

>> HELLO EVERYONE WELCOME TO "AMANPOUR & COMPANY".

HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP.

>> WE ARE WORKING WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP'S TEAM, ACTUALLY, AS WE SPEAK, AND I HOPE WE CAN MAKE IT A GO.

>> A NEW PLAN FOR POSTWAR GAZA AS BENJAMIN NETANYAHU FACES WHITE HOUSE PRESSURE TO END THE WAR, I SPEAK TO THE WASHINGTON INSTITUTE, ALONGSIDE FORMER NEGOTIATOR AARON DAVID MILLER.

> >> DEVASTATION IN GAZA, A SPECIAL REPORT UNABLE OF PALESTINIAN TEACHER TRAPPED UNDER THE RUBBLE OF AN ISRAELI STRIKE.

ALSO AHEAD -- > >> THE INDICTMENT OF FORMER FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY.

I ASKED CONSERVATIVE LAWYER GREG HOW THIS COULD BE A TURNING POINT FOR THE RULE OF LAW IN AMERICA PLUS ALL THE TECHNOCRACY.

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> >> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

AN INCREASINGLY ISOLATED ISRAELI LEADER AND AMERICAN PRESIDENT DESPERATE FOR A DEAL.

IT'S THE FOURTH MEETING BETWEEN PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU AND PRESIDENT TRUMP IN A MATTER OF MONTHS.

AND THE STAKES COULDN'T BE HIGHER.

AN OPTIMISTIC PRESIDENT TRUMP IS HOPING TO GET ISRAEL ON BOARD WITH HIS PROPOSAL TO END THE WAR IN GAZA WHICH WILL ENTER ITS 30 YEAR NEXT MONTH.

> >> THE 21 POINT PLAN REPORTEDLY INVOLVES A PERMANENT CEASE-FIRE, THE RETURN OF ALL THE HOSTAGES, AND SETS OUT A ROADMAP FOR A POSTWAR GAZA THAT WOULD ALLOW PALESTINIANS TO REMAIN THERE, A SHIFT BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

IT COMES DAYS AFTER PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU PLANNED TO QUOTE FINISH THE JOB ON HAMAS IN A DEFIANT SPEECH TO THE UNITED NATIONS.

COULD WE BE NEARING THE FINAL STAGES OF THIS WAR?

WELCOME BOTH OF YOU, LISTEN, LET'S START BY SAYING THIS IS A HUMBLING MOMENT FOR US, WE'VE BEEN HERE MANY TIMES BEFORE, AS WE BEEN CLOSE TO A DEAL, AND YET, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ONE FINALIZED.

IT DOES APPEAR THAT THINGS ARE A BIT MORE OPTIMISTIC AT LEAST FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS ADVISORS AND IN THE LAST HOUR, AARON, I SPOKE WITH SIEGEL, AN ISRAELI REPORTER WHO IS QUITE WELL SOURCED WITHIN PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU'S ORBIT, HE BELIEVES HE HAS SIGNED OFF ON THIS DEAL.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THE ARAB COUNTRIES AND MUSLIM COUNTRIES ALSO AGREEING TO THIS DEAL THAT FURTHER ISOLATES HAMAS, DO YOU SEE THIS AS THE CLOSEST WE'VE BEEN TO BRINGING THIS WAR TO AN END?

>> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT, FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS WE ARE CLOSER THAN EVER, THAT'S A VERY ELUSIVE CONCEPT, EACH OF THESE 21 POINTS, LET'S ASSUME JUST HALF OF IT, HALF OF THEM CONSTITUTE EACH ONE, A UNIVERSE, LITERALLY, A UNIVERSE OF COMPLEXITY AND DETAIL THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT, SO IF YOU ASK ME ARE WE ON THE CUSP OF ENDING THE WAR IN GAZA, WHICH IS THE HEADLINE THAT DONALD TRUMP WILL PROBABLY ANNOUNCE?

THE TRENDLINES ON THE OTHER HAND, FORESHADOW ENORMOUS GALACTIC LEAK DIFFICULT CHALLENGES AHEAD AND THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT HAMAS, EVEN IF IT SAYS YES, IN PRINCIPLE AND BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, YES, IN PRINCIPLE, IS COMMITTED AND WHETHER OR NOT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS PREPARED AS HE MUST BE, IF THIS IS GOING TO WORK TO OWN THIS, AND LITERALLY TO PRESIDE AND MONITOR AND IMPOSE CONSEQUENCES IN THE EVENT IMPLEMENTATION DOES NOT PROCEED, SO AGAIN, ENCOURAGED, I HOPE SO, I HOPE SO BUT I THINK, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF VERY DIFFICULT NEGOTIATION AHEAD.

>> LET ME GET YOU TO WEIGH AND BECAUSE CNN IS NOW CONFIRMING WHAT AXIOS HAD FIRST REPORTED JUST MOMENTS AGO, THAT IS THAT IN THIS MEETING BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND MR.

NETANYAHU, HE CALLED THE PRIME MINISTER OF QATAR AND APOLOGIZE FOR THE FAILED ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT AGAINST HAMAS LEADERSHIP, ALL OF THIS IN AN EFFORT TO GET QATAR TO PUT MORE PRESSURE ON HAMAS, TO AGREE TO A DEAL.

HOW DO PALESTINIANS BOTH IN LEADERSHIP AND IN PUBLIC INTERPRET THIS CHOREOGRAPHY AT THIS POINT?

DO THEY FEEL THAT A DEAL IS WITHIN REACH?

>> THANK YOU, I THINK EVERYONE IS CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC AND I WANT TO FOCUS ON CAUTIOUSLY.

WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF OPTIMISM IN THE PAST AND MUCH OF IT CAME TO NOTHING, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENT MOMENTUM RIGHT NOW.

AND EVERYONE HAS TO MAKE DIFFERENT DECISIONS, ISRAELIS HAVE TO MAKE DIFFICULT DECISIONS BUT SO DO THE PALESTINIANS.

THE AUTHORITY WANTED TO COME AND RULE GAZA, IT'S CLEAR FROM THE 21 POINTS THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, HAMAS, WHICH WANTED MORE FAVORABLE TERMS IS CLEAR FROM THE 21 POINTS THAT THEY WILL HAVE NO ROLE IN GAZA, SO I THINK THE PUBLIC IS CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC BUT I BELIEVE EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE PLAYING GAMES, I AM MORE OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE OF ONE THING YOU SAID, IT'S NOT ONLY THAT THE, WE HAVE COUNTRIES LIKE TURKEY AND QATAR WHO ARE ABOARD AND THEY HAVE TREMENDOUS LEVERAGE VIS-A-VIS HAMAS.

>> LET'S SAY THE WAR COMES TO AN END, THE HOSTAGES ARE ALL RETURNED, THESE ARE ALL BIG GIFTS, DO YOU THINK THAT HAMAS, AND I LIKE TO PLAY SOUND FOR YOU FROM ONE OF THE SURVIVING MEMBERS OF HAMAS LEADERSHIP THAT JEREMY DIMOND JUST INTERVIEWED LAST WEEK, AND THEY WERE PUSHING BACK ON THIS NOTION THAT HAMAS WOULD SOMEHOW RELINQUISH POWER, HERE'S WHAT HE SAID.

>> WE INSISTED TO GO TO THE COMPREHENSIVE DEAL TO RETAIN ALL OF THE HOSTAGES EITHER ALIVE OR DEAD.

AND WE SAID 24 HOURS, BUT THEY REFUSED.

>> THEY HAVE CONDITIONS FOR ENDING THE WAR, THEY WANT HAMAS TO BE OUT OF POWER AND DISARM, ARE YOU WILLING TO ABANDON POWER IN GAZA AND LAY DOWN YOUR WEAPONS?

>> HAMAS IS PART OF THE PALESTINIAN FABRIC, AS I'VE SAID AGAIN AND AGAIN, REGARDING THE RULING OF GAZA, WE ARE READY TO BE OUT OF THE WAR, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS.

>> HOW DOES THE WAR END?

OVER THE COURSE OF OUR CONVERSATION I'VE SEEN VERY LITTLE THAT SUGGESTS ANY WILLINGNESS ON YOUR PART TO COMPROMISE?

>> I THINK --STOP THE GENOCIDE IN GAZA.

>> DO YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT HE WILL DO THAT?

>> I DON'T KNOW, I THINK, IT'S NOT EASY TO TRUST MR.

TRUMP OR THE AMERICAN ADMINISTRATION.

>> YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT STATEMENT, TO WHICH I WOULD IMAGINE, IS A NONSTARTER FOR NOT ONLY PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU BUT THE PRESIDENT AS WELL, OBVIOUSLY, THE IDEA OF RELINQUISHING HAMAS IS ONE THING AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO BUT THE FACT THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME ARMS THAT THEY STILL POSSESS, IN A FUTURE POSTWAR, I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYONE SIGNING OFF ON THAT.

>> FOR SMALL, HAMAS WROTE ITSELF OUT OF THE PALESTINIAN SOCIAL FABRIC WHEN IT CHOSE TO ATTACK ISRAELI CIVILIANS TWO YEARS AGO AND BRING THE THAT THEY HAVE UNDERTAKEN.

HAMAS IS NOT IN A POSITION TO KIND OF PUT POLITICAL CONDITIONS.

THAT SAID, YES, HAMAS ULTIMATELY CAN SAY NO, BUT THERE ARE POINTS OF LEVERAGE, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S POPULARITY IN GAZA HAS PLUMMETED BEYOND, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT IS ISOLATED, AND IT'S NOT ONLY COUNTRIES THAT ARE TRADITIONALLY AGAINST HAMAS LIKE EGYPT, SAUDI, ET CETERA BUT IT'S KEY BACKERS, QATAR, TURKEY WHO ARE SAYING, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND WE WILL BE PUTTING PRESSURE.

>> AARON DAVID MILLER, AS SIEGEL HAD NOTED IN THE LAST HOUR WHEN I SPOKE WITH HIM, BENJAMIN NETANYAHU HAS ESSENTIALLY GREENLIT A, 19 OF THE 21 POINTS HERE IN THE TRUMP PLAN, AND THE ONE OF THE TWO THAT CONTINUES TO BE A PROBLEM FOR HIM, BACK HOME, WITH MEMBERS OF HIS COALITION INCLUDE POTENTIALLY THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY IN A DAY AFTER PLAN FOR GAZA, THE FINANCE MINISTER HAS SET REDLINES AND SAID THERE SHOULD BE NO MENTION OF A PALESTINIAN STATE.

IF WE SEE THE PRIME MINISTER NONETHELESS SIGN OFF ON THIS, ASIDE FROM SOME LIP SERVICE FROM THESE MEMBERS OF HIS COALITION, DO YOU SEE POTENTIAL IMPASSES FOR HIM AND TROUBLE, DOMESTICALLY AT HOME, TO MAINTAIN THIS COALITION?

>> I THINK THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE LANGUAGE AND WHETHER OR NOT CREATIVE AMBIGUITY CAN BE FOUND TO CREATE SOME SORT OF DISTANT ROLE FOR THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY THAT DOESN'T APPEAR TO GREET, MUCH OF HIS OWN BASE, FEARS, WHICH IS SORT OF, EXPEDIENT PATHWAY TO PALESTINIAN STATEHOOD.

YOU HAVE BENNY GANZ, MEMBERS OF THE ISRAELI OPPOSITION COMING OUT AGAIN, BASICALLY SAYING THAT THE IDEA OF PALESTINIAN STATEHOOD, I THINK, BIANNA YOU FOCUSED ON THE KEY ISSUE FOR THE PRIME MINISTER, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE IMPLEMENT ANY OF THIS, WITH HIS CURRENT COALITION, AND EVERY SINGLE PERIOD WILL BE NEGOTIATED TO DEATH OF THESE 21 POINTS AND ALONG THE WAY, ANY NUMBERS OF STUMBLES AND ROADBLOCKS, EVEN ON HAMAS SIDE, FOR SURE, CAN BE THROWN IN THE WAY WHICH IS GOING TO MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE PRIME MINISTER TO SUSTAIN THIS WHICH RAISES THE QUESTION, MAYBE HE'S THINKING ABOUT NEW ELECTIONS, EARLY IN 2026, AND MAYBE RUNNING ON THE TRUMP PLAN AND A POTENTIAL ISRAELI AND SAUDI DEAL.

REELECTED BENJAMIN NETANYAHU SOMETIME IN 2026?

THAT I THINK IS REALLY ON HIS MIND.

IT'S MUCH MORE THAN JUST THIS PLAN, IT'S HOW DOES HE WIN THE NEXT ELECTION.

>> AND IF YOU CAN RESPOND TO THAT BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT'S NOT ONLY MEMBERS OF HIS COALITION AND MEMBERS OF HIS OWN PARTY BUT IT'S EVEN THE OPPOSITION THING, YOU WANT TO REELECT THIS MAN WHO OFFICIALLY NOT ONLY ALLOWED OCTOBER 7th TO HAPPEN AND BY THE WAY, JUST LOOKING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, SO MANY PEOPLE ARE NOW RESPONDING IN ISRAEL WITH A LOT OF ANGER AND FRUSTRATION THAT THE QATARI'S GOT AN APOLOGY FROM THE PRIME MINISTER BEFORE THE ISRAELI PUBLIC GOT AN APOLOGY FOR NOT SEEING THE WARNING SIGNS BEFORE OCTOBER 7th, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY COULD BE SAYING, THIS IS THE MAN WHO OPENED THE DOOR OFFICIALLY TO A PALESTINIAN STATE.

HOW IS THIS, IN YOUR VIEW, GOING TO BE INTERPRETED ARE PALESTINIANS AS WELL?

>> I MEAN, IT'S VERY HARD TO PREDICT NETANYAHU'S POLITICAL FUTURE.

MANY PEOPLE HAVE WRITTEN HIM OFF FOR DEAD BUT ONE THING IS CLEAR, IF THERE IS NO MENTION OF A PALESTINIAN STATE, YOU WILL NOT ONLY HAVE PALESTINIAN REJECTION OF THE PLAN, YOU HAVE ADDED PROTECT --THAT IS THERE PRIMARILY TO BRING THE JORDANIANS AND SAUDI'S ABOARD, SO IT'S KEY BUT IT'S ALSO FRANKLY CLEAR THAT BENJAMIN NETANYAHU HIMSELF IS A PROBLEMATIC CHARACTER.

HE'S SEEN IN MOST OF THE ARAB WORLD, WHEN I SPEAK TO FRIENDS AND ABU DHABI, RIYADH, THEY TELL ME THEY USED TO THINK THAT BENJAMIN NETANYAHU WAS A FORCE FOR STABILITY BUT RIGHT NOW ESPECIALLY AFTER THE ATTACK ON QATAR BUT EVEN BEFORE, THEY LOOK AT HIM AS A SOURCE OF INSTABILITY.

THERE IS NO COINCIDENCE THAT HE HAS YET TO BE INVITED TO THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES.

IF HE GETS ELECTED, ANY CHANCE FOR PROGRESS, WILL RECEIVE A MAJOR BLOW.

>> NOT TO MENTION THE POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC ISOLATION THAT ISRAEL IS CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING AS WELL AS THIS WAR HAS UNFOLDED.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO RESPOND, WE SAW TWO PATHS FOR A POTENTIAL DAY AFTER, ONE FROM THE FRENCH AND THE SAUDI'S, AND ONE THAT WOULD HAVE TONY BLAIR THE FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OVERSEE THIS, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE AN INTERNATIONAL TRANSITIONAL AUTHORITY, RUN FROM ABROAD AT FIRST, THAT WOULD HAVE FOREIGNERS ATOP THIS ORGANIZATION, PALESTINIANS WOULD BE AT THE BOTTOM, THE BOTTOM RUNG.

WOULD PALESTINIANS ACCEPT SUCH AN ARRANGEMENT?

WHAT ARE YOU HEARING SO FAR AND THE RESPONSE TO THIS BLAIR RUN PLAN?

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE POPULATION OF GAZA, I THINK INITIALLY AT LEAST, THEY WOULD ACCEPT ANYONE WHO WILL END THE WAR AND START PROVIDING BASIC REHABILITATION, SERVICES, WATER, FOOD, ET CETERA, AND SO I THINK THERE IS A WINDOW HERE, THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY IS INSISTING THAT IT WILL HAVE TO COME IN AND BE IN CHARGE.

I THINK THAT'S UNREALISTIC.

I THINK IN THE END, WE SEE A LOT OF PLANS, WE SEE BLAIR'S PLAN, THE SAUDI PLAN, THE 21 POINT, THESE ARE STARTING POINTS.

WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW IS TO END THE WAR AND GET THE PARTIES TALKING AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WHAT WILL EMERGE WILL PROBABLY LOOK DIFFERENT FROM WHERE WE STARTED BUT I THINK WHAT MAKES THIS MOMENT PARTICULARLY HOPEFUL, IS THAT THERE IS MOMENTUM, MOMENTUM THAT IS GENERATED IN THE REGION AND IN THE COMMUNITY AND MOST RECENTLY BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

>> I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO BOTH WEIGH IN ON THIS, LET ME PICK UP WITH YOU ON WHAT WE ALSO HEARD FROM SIEGEL IN TERMS OF WHAT THE PRESSURE POINT COULD BE ON HAMAS IF THEY DON'T AGREE TO THE DEAL RIGHT NOW THAT AS WE'VE NOTED, HAS BEEN GREENLIT BY NUMEROUS ARAB AND MUSLIM COUNTRIES, AND THAT WAS, WITH ISRAEL ALREADY CONTROLLING ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THE ENCLAVE, THAT SOME FOREIGN COALITION MEMBERS AND TROOPS WOULD END UP COMING IN TO THE PART THAT ISRAEL HAS ALREADY CONTROLLED AND TAKEN SEE JEFF, AND THEN, EFFECTIVELY PUTTING MORE PRESSURE WITH THEIR OWN TROOPS ON HAMAS, JUST YOUR REACTION TO THE FEASIBILITY OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT TRANSPIRING, AND I WOULD LIKE BOTH OF YOU TO WEIGH IN, GAVE, FIRST.

>> I THINK THIS IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

IT'S UNLIKELY BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE ISRAEL AGREEING TO IT.

AND I DON'T SEE AN INTERNATIONAL FORCE COMING IN.

THE PRESSURE ON HAMAS IS GOING TO BE INCLUSION IN THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW.

OF QATAR AND COUNTRY, THESE ARE TWO COUNTRIES THAT TRUMP HAS BROUGHT ON BOARD AND THESE COUNTRIES HAVE A LOT OF LEVERAGE ON HAMAS BUT TO SEE THE INTERNATIONAL FORCE COME AND WITHOUT A CEASE-FIRE, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE.

>> AARON?

>> I SEE ZERO CHANCE OF DEPLOYMENT OF ANY ARAB FORCES, THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IN INDONESIA, CAN YOU IMAGINE, ARAB DEPLOYMENT, SECURITY FORCES KILLING PALESTINIANS OR EVEN WORSE, CAN YOURS IMAGINE THE ISRAELIS WILL CONTINUE TO RESIST THE RIGHT TO PREEMPT BASICALLY DOING THE SAME THING WHILE WET, ARAB SECURITY FORCES HOLD THEIR COATS?

IT STRIKES ME, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE UNIVERSE OF DETAILS RIGHT NOW, THAT HAS TO BE WORKED THROUGH AND LET ME CUT THROUGH IT ALL, WITHOUT LEADERSHIP, REAL LEADERSHIP, IN WASHINGTON, OWNING THIS, MAKING IT THE DRIVING FORCE TO MONITOR DISAGREEMENT AND IMPOSE CONSEQUENCES AND COST ON THE PARTIES INCLUDING THE ISRAELIS, IF IN FACT, IT RUNS OFF THE HIGHWAY, WE ARE GOING NOWHERE AND THAT ALSO SUGGEST, YOU NEED AN ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER THAT IS FULLY COMMITTED TO THIS, AND SOME FORM OF PALESTINIAN REPRESENTATION AS WELL, FRANKLY, RIGHT NOW, EVEN IF THEY SIGN THIS, EVEN IF BENJAMIN NETANYAHU COMES OUT AND SAYS, I AGREE AND PRINCIPLE, WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR WHAT NORMAL HUMANS TO THE THREE OF US WOULD REGARD AS AN END TO THE WAR IN GAZA, WE ARE WEEKS, IF NOT MONTHS AWAY FROM THAT.

>> I WOULD SAY RESPONSIBLE LEADERSHIP ALL --ON ALL FRONTS IN ISRAEL AND FOR THE PALESTINIANS, TOO, TO BRING THIS TO AN END, OBVIOUSLY, THE CIVILIANS IN GAZA, THE HOSTAGES AND THEIR FAMILIES SUFFERING THE MOST RIGHT NOW AS WE ARE WAITING FOR THIS WAR TO FINALLY COME TO AN END.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH.

> >> AS ISRAELI AND AMERICAN LEADERS DISCUSS A PEACE PLAN IN WASHINGTON, THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY ARE THE PEOPLE WHOSE FUTURE THEY ARE DECIDING ON.

PALESTINIANS IN GAZA EACH DAY BRINGS MORE BOMBARDMENT, MORE DISPLACEMENT AND LESS PLACES LEFT TO SHELTER.

AS THOUSANDS ATTEMPT TO FLEE WITH WHAT REMAINS OF THEIR BELONGINGS, FOR OTHERS, IT'S TOO LATE.

THE PLIGHT OF ONE FAMILY WHOSE STORY REFLECTS THE DEVASTATING REALITY THAT GAZA RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN FACING OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.

>> GAZAN RESCUE WORKERS SEARCH FOR A WELL-KNOWN AND MUCH LOVED TEACHER IN GAZA CITY.

SHE MAY HAVE BEEN UNDER THIS RUBBLE FOR DAYS.

HAVING EVACUATED WITH HER FAMILY, SHE RETURNED WITH HER BROTHER TO THEIR HOME IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY TO PICK UP BELONGINGS.

WHEN SHE ARRIVED, SHE SENT PHOTOS AND VOICE NOTES TO A GROUP OF FELLOW TEACHER CELEBRATING THE LACK OF ISRAELI TANKS.

[ SPEAKING GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] MINUTES LATER, SHE SENT THIS DESPERATE NOTE TO HER SIBLING SAYING ISRAELI DRONES TARGETED THE AREA, HITTING HER BROTHER [ SPEAKING GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] RED CRESCENT WORKERS RETRIEVED THE BODY OF HER BROTHER AND OTHERS BUT SHE WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.

A FRIEND SAID THAT SHE CALLED HER AND HEARD HER SAY HELLO BUT THEN THE LINE WENT DEAD.

ISRAELI STRIKES DESTROYED HER HOME, HER FAMILY AND COUNTLESS STUDENTS THAT SHE'S HELPED OVER THE YEARS AND THEY FEEL THE -- FEAR THE WORST.

>> WE LOVE THIS TEACHER.

>> IN OUTPOURING OF GRIEF FOR A WOMAN WHO SECURED SCHOLARSHIPS OUTSIDE GAZA FOR STUDENTS, A TIRELESS ADVOCATE FOR EDUCATION.

[ SPEAKING GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] SHE DREW THIS PICTURE JUST THREE WEEKS AGO WITH A POEM THAT READS, WE ARE SPINNING IN CIRCLES, SEARCHING FOR SAFETY.

HER BROTHER BELIEVES SHE WAS HIDING IN HER HOME WHEN AN ISRAELI STRIKE DESTROYED THE BUILDING.

[ SPEAKING GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] IT IS A PERPETUAL REALITY OF THE PAST TWO YEARS, OFFICIALS IN GAZA BELIEVE THOUSANDS OF CIVILIANS ARE STILL TRAPPED UNDER THE RUBBLE ACROSS THE GAZA STRIP.

THERE IS NO CLOSURE WITHOUT CONFIRMATION, AND NO TIME TO GRIEVE WHILE STILL UNDER FIRE.

>> NEXT, THE INDEPENDENCE OF AMERICA'S JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN THROWN INTO QUESTION AFTER THE INDICTMENT OF FORMER FBI DIRECTOR, JAMES COMEY.

>> MY FAMILY AND I HAVE KNOWN FOR YEARS THAT THERE ARE COSTS TO STANDING UP TO DONALD TRUMP.

BUT WE COULDN'T IMAGINE OURSELVES LIVING ANY OTHER WAY.

WE WILL NOT LIVE ON OUR KNEES.

AND YOU SHOULDN'T, EITHER.

SOMEBODY THAT I LOVE DEARLY RECENTLY SAID THAT FEAR IS THE TOOL OF A TYRANT, AND SHE'S RIGHT.

BUT I'M NOT AFRAID.

AND I HOPE YOU ARE NOT, EITHER.

I HOPE INSTEAD, YOU ARE ENGAGED, YOU ARE PAYING ATTENTION, AND YOU WILL VOTE LIKE YOUR BELOVED COUNTRY DEPENDS UPON IT, WHICH IT DOES.

MY HEART IS BROKEN FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, BUT I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN THE FEDERAL JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND I'M INNOCENT.

SO LET'S HAVE A TRIAL AND KEEP THE FAITH.

>> IT'S THE LATEST EXAMPLE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN FOR RETRIBUTION, BYPASSING PROCEDURAL SAFEGUARDS IN ORDER TO PROSECUTE HIS PERCEIVED POLITICAL ENEMIES AND ACCORDING TO THE PRESIDENT, THERE WILL BE OTHERS.

THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS THE RULE OF LAW AND TRADITIONS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE BEING UPENDED IN AMERICA, IS A PROMINENT CONSERVATIVE LAWYER, HE PREVIOUSLY WORKED FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND FOR SECRETARY OF STATE MARCO RUBIO WHEN HE WAS A SENATOR AND JOINS ME NOW FROM WASHINGTON.

GREG, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, AS NOTED, YOU ARE A CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN VETERAN OF THE DOJ, I COULD GO ON AND ON, YOU HAVE OPPOSED THE COMEY INDICTMENT POSTING A CORRUPT PRESIDENT IS USING A THOROUGHLY CORRUPTED JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO CRIMINALLY PURSUE HIS ENEMIES, NO MATTER WHAT PEOPLE OR HOW PEOPLE VIEWED COMEY AND HE DID TURN OUT TO BE QUITE A POLITICALLY DIVISIVE FIGURE OVER THE LAST DECADE OR SO, YOU CALL THIS A CORRUPT ACTION, EXPLAIN FOR OUR VIEWERS EXACTLY HOW SO?

>> THANK YOU, BIANNA, THIS IS THE MOST NAKED ABUSE OF POWER I THINK WE'VE SEEN IN OUR LIFETIMES.

THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS OF COURSE IMMENSELY POWERFUL, IT CAN INVESTIGATE AMERICANS AND AFTER A TRIAL IN PRISON, OR TAKE THE LIVES OF AMERICANS.

IT MUST BE GOVERNED ACCORDING TO THE LAW AND MUST TREAT PEOPLE EQUALLY AND THAT'S NOT WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT'S JOB IS TO GO OUT AND FIND PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES AND LAWFULLY PROSECUTE THEM.

UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION, IT'S BEING ASKED TO GO OUT AND FIND CRIMES TO PIN TO THE PRESIDENTS ENEMIES.

AND IT JUST DOESN'T GET MORE CORRUPT THAN THAT, IT UNDERMINES ALL OF THE BEDROCK VALUES THAT WE SHARE AS AMERICANS, THE RULE OF LAW, EQUAL TREATMENT, DUE PROCESS, THE ABILITY TO CRITICIZE YOUR GOVERNMENT WITHOUT BEING FEAR OF PROSECUTED.

IT'S A VERY SERIOUS LINE THAT WAS CROSSED HERE.

>> EXPLAIN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN SUM UP, EXACTLY WHAT COMEY WAS INDICTED FOR, THIS GOES BACK TO CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONY IN 2020, I BELIEVE, DURING COVID, WHERE HE HAPPENED TO BE PHONING AND OR COMING IN ONLINE, ZOOMING IN, FROM HIS HOME IN VIRGINIA, WHICH IS WHY THESE CHARGES WERE FILED THERE.

EXPLAIN WHAT HE'S ACCUSED OF DOING?

>> WELL, IT'S A LITTLE UNCLEAR, I MEAN HE'S ACCUSED OF LYING TO CONGRESS, THERE ARE TWO COUNTS AGAINST HIM AND I WORKED ON CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS AS A STAFFER AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TELL THE TRUTH WHEN YOU TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS AND IT IS CRIMINAL TO KNOWINGLY LIE TO CONGRESS AND TO OBSTRUCT AN INVESTIGATION.

SO THAT'S WHAT HE'S BEING ACCUSED OF.

THE INDICTMENT IS BARE-BONES, THE PARTICULARS OF THE LIE THAT IS BEING PURPORTEDLY ASSERTED HERE, IT'S NOT CLEAR.

IT IS NOTABLE THAT BY ALL REPORTING, CAREER PROSECUTORS EVEN SENIOR POLITICAL LEADERSHIP APPOINTED BY THIS PRESIDENT DID NOT WANT TO BRING THIS CASE BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS NOT A STRONG CASE, THE PRESIDENT AMENDED THE RESIGNATION OR FIRED HIS OWN U. S. ATTORNEY IN VIRGINIA BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD ON THIS CASE.

CNN REPORTED THAT THE TOP LEVELS AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT INCLUDING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL HAD DOUBTS ABOUT THIS CASE.

IT'S PRETTY EASY TO GET AN INDICTMENT BEFORE A GRAND JURY NONETHELESS, THEY SOUGHT THREE CHARGES HERE, ONLY TWO OF THEM DID THEY GET INDICTMENTS ON, AND THOSE TWO, BY JUST ABOUT THE NARROWEST OF MARGINS, SO, WHILE WE DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE ALLEGATIONS YET, ALL PUBLIC INDICATIONS ARE THAT THIS IS A VERY WEAK CASE THAT WAS BROUGHT TO SERVE THE POLITICAL WHIMS OF THE PRESIDENT, NOT TO FAIRLY ENFORCE THE LAW.

>> THE INDICTMENT, IT ULTIMATELY WAS BROUGHT BY AN INEXPERIENCED PROSECUTOR WHO HAPPEN TO BE AN INSURANCE LAWYER BEFORE THIS, AND IT WAS SOMEBODY THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD SET HIS SIGHTS ON, SHE WAS AN ATTORNEY FOR HIM FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, AND, ANALYSTS AND EXPERTS CALL THIS INDICTMENT BARE-BONES AND LIGHT ON FACTS.

IN A SOCIAL MEDIA POST TRUMP ACCUSED HIS DOJ OF AN ACTION ON COMEY LEADING UP TO THIS INDICTMENT, AND HERE'S WHAT HE WROTE.

WE CAN'T DELAY ANY LONGER, IT'S KILLING OUR REPUTATION AND CREDIBILITY.

THEY IMPEACHED ME TWICE AND INDICTED ME FIVE TIMES, OVER NOTHING, JUSTICE MUST BE SERVED NOW.

TRUMP HAS PUBLICLY ATTACKED JIM COMEY, AND PEOPLE WHO HE PERCEIVED TO BE HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES AS WELL AND CALLED COMEY A SLIMEBALL.

HOW MIGHT THIS AFFECT A COURT CASE?

HIS ATTORNEYS MUST BE LOOKING AT THIS AND SALIVATING IN THE SENSE THAT HERE'S A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, NOT ONLY INTERFERING IN THIS CASE BUT MAKING IT CLEAR THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HE WAS PRESSURING HIS OWN DOJ TO DO?

>> THAT'S REALLY THE POINT HERE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE JIM COMEY AND YOU MIGHT EVEN THINK THAT HE LIED TO CONGRESS, BUT NO AMERICAN SHOULD WANT TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE CRIMINAL CHARGES ARE BROUGHT AT THE BEHEST OF ONE MAN AGAINST HIS ENEMIES.

AND THE SOCIAL MEDIA POST IS CLEAR, IT'S NOT THE PRESIDENT UPSET ABOUT ANY LAW BEING BROKEN, IT'S A PRESIDENT BEING UPSET THAT HE WAS INVESTIGATED AND WANTING TO PUNISH PEOPLE WHO TOOK PART IN THESE INVESTIGATIONS.

I MEAN, IT IS, THAT STATEMENT, HE'S BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THIS PROSECUTION IS VINDICTIVE.

AND THAT DOES PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMEY'S DEFENSE ATTORNEYS TO ARGUE THAT IN COURT AND VINDICTIVE PROSECUTIONS ARE TOUGH TO PROVE BUT IF THERE WAS EVER A CLEARER CASE THAT THE PROSECUTION WAS MADE INDUCTIVELY, THIS APPEARS TO BE IT.

I'M CERTAIN THEY WILL RAISE THIS ISSUE IN COURT AND THEY WOULD FIND A RECEPTIVE AUDIENCE.

>> COMEY RESPONDED QUICKLY POSTING IN A VIDEO SAYING MY HEART IS BROKEN FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE FEDERAL JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND I'M INNOCENT, SO LET'S HAVE A TRIAL.

IF YOU WERE DEFENDING COMEY, WOULD YOU ADVISE HIM TO DO JUST THAT?

TO TAKE THIS TO TRIAL AND DO YOU EXPECT, GIVEN THE FLIMSINESS OF THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED THUS FAR AND OBVIOUSLY THE ACTIONS AND THE STATEMENTS OF THE PRESIDENT, DO YOU EXPECT THAT THE JUDGE COULD POSSIBLY EVEN DISMISS THIS CASE?

>> YEAH, I THINK, THE CASE MIGHT GET DISMISSED BEFORE HE GETS A TRIAL FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

THERE IS THE THINNESS TO THE INDICTMENT THAT WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT, THERE'S ALSO A REAL QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE NEW U. S. ATTORNEY IN VIRGINIA WAS LEGITIMATELY APPOINTED AND IF SHE WASN'T, THE INDICTMENT MAY BE INVALID TO START WITH.

OR, IF IT DID PROCEED TO A TRIAL THERE'S EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT MR.

COMEY WOULD BE INDICTED.

AN INDICTMENT IS A VERY LOW STANDARD AND REQUIRES A MAJORITY VOTE, A CONVICTION IS A HIGH STANDARD BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT AND REQUIRES UNANIMOUS JUDGMENT OF THE JOURNEY.

IF ANYONE IS BETTING, YOU SHOULD BET THAT JIM COMEY IS NOT GOING TO BE CONVICTED OF THIS CRIME BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULDN'T BE WORRIED.

PEOPLE BEING INDICTED BY A GRAND JURY AT THE BEHEST OF THE PRESIDENT, THAT'S AN AWFUL THING TO DO TO AN AMERICAN CITIZEN.

IT WILL CHILL PEOPLE FROM EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS TO SPEAK UP, THEY WILL BE AFRAID OF THE EXPENSE, THE --THERE'S A LOT OF DAMAGE DONE BY A MERE INDICTMENT EVEN IF THE LIKELIHOOD OF CONVICTION IS LOW.

>> NO DOUBT.

YOU COULD ARGUE THAT CONVICTION WOULD BE A BONUS FOR THE PRESIDENT.

I'VE HEARD NUMEROUS PEOPLE SAY THAT THE ACTUAL POINT HERE IS TO GO THROUGH THIS ARDUOUS, VERY EXPENSIVE PERSONALLY DIFFICULT EMOTIONALLY DIFFICULT PERIOD OF RETAINING A LAWYER, HAVING TO PUT YOUR LIFE AND YOUR FAMILIES LIVES ON PAUSE, NO DOUBT THE DEATH THREATS, AND THE SOCIAL MEDIA ATTACKS THAT THESE FAMILIES HAVE TO ENDURE, VERY COSTLY.

AND THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME WE ARE SEEING THIS.

THE PRESIDENT SAID HE'S GOING TO BE GOING AFTER THOSE WHO HE VIEWED WENT AFTER HIM, THE RETRIBUTION NARRATIVE SEEMS TO BE PROGRESSING QUITE RAPIDLY IN THIS SECOND TERM.

>> IT DOES.

I MEAN, IT'S STUNNING, HE DID CAMPAIGN ON RETRIBUTION BUT SINCE DAY ONE OF THIS ADMINISTRATION, BEEN USING THE TOOLS OF GOVERNMENT TO REWARD HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY, AND TO PUNISH HIS CRITICS OR HIS PERCEIVED ENEMIES.

AND THAT IS DIRECTLY CONTRARY TO ALL OF THE FUNDAMENTAL VALUES OF AMERICANS WITH FAIRPLAY AND THE RULE OF LAW BUT THE USE OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IS REALLY AN ESCALATION AND FOR THOSE MAY BE CONSERVATIVES, OR REPUBLICANS WHO THINK SOME OF THE INVESTIGATIONS INTO TRUMP WERE TOO AGGRESSIVE, LET'S BE CLEAR, THIS IS IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT UNIVERSE, THE PROCEEDINGS AGAINST TRUMP YOU COULD HAVE CRITICIZED ASPECTS OF THEM BUT AT LEAST THE FEDERAL MATTERS WERE REALLY BASED ON SERIOUS CRIMINAL CHARGES AND IF ANYTHING, THE PRESIDENT, THE FORMER PRESIDENT THEN, GOT THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AFFORDED TO REGULAR AMERICANS.

THOSE WERE NOT INVESTIGATIONS THAT WERE LED OR DEMANDED BY PRESIDENT BIDEN, THEY WERE LEGITIMATE INVESTIGATIONS OF OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.

THIS IS QUITE DIFFERENT.

IT'S THE PRESIDENT, STRIVING BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY TO DIRECT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AGAINST HIS ENEMIES.

IT'S WHY WE'VE SEEN SO MANY RESIGNATIONS IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT BY CAREER PROFESSIONALS WHO RESIST THAT KIND OF CORRUPTION OF THE PROCESS.

>> YEAH, AND, AS YOU NOTED, I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE, AND THE PRESIDENT SAID HE'S NOT DONE YET, AND EVEN THREATENED TO GO AFTER ANOTHER FORMER FBI DIRECTOR ALSO REPUBLICAN, CHRIS RAY, AND NOW IS PUTTING PRESSURE ON MICROSOFT TO FIRE THE DEPUTY I BELIEVE, FBI DIRECTOR FROM THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, LISA MONACO AS WELL, WHO'S GONE ON IN HER NOW PRIVATE LIFE TO WORK FOR THIS COMPANY.

YOU SPOKE WITH THE FT, THE FINANCIAL TIMES ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THESE KINDS OF ACTIONS AND HERE'S WHAT YOU SAID, I'M AFRAID IT'LL BE A GENERATIONAL CHALLENGE TO REVERSE.

NORMS AND INSTITUTIONS ARE BUILT AND STRENGTHENED OVER DECADES BUT THEY CAN BE DESTROYED OVERNIGHT.

IT SEEMED LIKE IT TOOK SO LONG FOR THAT INDEPENDENCE AND TRUST TO BE REBUILT AFTER WATERGATE.

HOW LONG DO YOU THINK, ONCE WE REACHED A TURNING POINT HERE, OR THINGS ARE REVERSED, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO REBUILD AGAIN?

>> IT'LL BE A STRUGGLE, AND PEOPLE SHOULD START THINKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW, HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU CAN TELL, THIS IS DAMAGE THAT IS BEING INFLICTED PURPOSELY.

PRESIDENT TRUMP TALKED ABOUT ENDING THE WEAPONIZATION OF JUSTICE.

THE WAY YOU AND THE WEAPONIZATION OF JUSTICE IS GOOD FAITH, BIPARTISAN REFORMS THAT STRENGTHEN THE GUARD RAILS AGAINST IMPROPER INSTITUTIONS AND INSTEAD HE'S BEEN BLOWING UP THE GUARDRAILS.

WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS, REPUBLICANS SHOULD CARE, NOBODY BENEFITS NOT REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS, FROM A SYSTEM OF JUSTICE THAT RESPONDS TO THE WHIMS OF A PRESIDENT.

WE ALL LOSE IN THAT.

I HOPE AT SOME POINT, BEFORE IT GETS TOO BAD, WE CAN BEGIN A BIPARTISAN CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE CAN TURN BACK FROM THEM --SOME OF THIS.

IT'S FINE IF HE CONTROLS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, THEY SHOULD ANSWER TO HIM FOR THE POLICY PREFERENCES AND HIS LAWFUL ORDERS BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE HIS ARM TO GO AFTER HIS ENEMIES.

THEY MUST PUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FIRST AND I HOPE WE CAN GET BACK TO THAT KIND OF JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.

>> GREGG NUNZIATA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

> >> AS THE STRENGTH OF INSTITUTIONS IS TESTED UNDER THE WEIGHT OF DRUMS PRESIDENCY, OUR NEXT GUEST ARGUES THAT SILICON VALLEY HAS ALREADY BENT IT'S ME INDIFFERENCE, EVEN AS CHANGES TO THE H1B VISA RISK JAMMING BIG TECH'S HIRING MACHINE.

GLOBAL DIRECTOR KATIE DRUMMOND PAINTS A PICTURE OF HOW BIG TECH IS EMBRACING TRUMP.

SHE SPOKE TO HARI SREENIVASAN ABOUT WHAT THIS RELATIONSHIP SPELLS FOR THE FUTURE OF THE INDUSTRY.

>> YOU HAVE A NEW COPY, AND IT'S CALLED, ALL HAIL THE TECHNOCRACY, YOU WROTE AN ARTICLE TO REDUCE THE SERIES AND YOU SAID ONE OF THE MOST VISIBLE CHANGES, IS THE TECH INDUSTRIES EMBRACE OF TRUMP, THE ELITE HAVE FALLEN IN LINE, DEMONSTRATING THEIR ALLEGIANCE WITH GROTESQUE DISPLAYS OF SUBMISSION SO WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO SILICON VALLEY?

>> WE AT WIRED HAVE A LONG HISTORY, 32 YEAR HISTORY OF COVERING THE TECH INDUSTRY AND TECHNOLOGY MORE BROADLY AND OFTEN OF CHAMPIONING IT AND INNOVATION AND ALL FORM SO I THINK FOR US, FOR OUR PUBLICATION TO COME OUT AND MAKE THIS KIND OF STATEMENT, IT SHOULD REALLY TELL OUR READERS OR ANYONE PAYING ATTENTION, THAT WE SEE A VERY SERIOUS AND VERY TROUBLING TURN IN SILICON VALLEY AND IN THE TECH INDUSTRY.

I THINK YOU ONLY NEED TO LOOK, YOU KNOW, AT IMAGES OR VIDEOS OF YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY CEOS AT DINNER WITH THE PRESIDENT, SORT OF GOING AROUND, ONE BY ONE, OFFERING HIM COMPLIMENTS, FLATTERING THEM, YOU ONLY NEED TO LOOK AT TIM COOK, THE CEO OF APPLE IN THE OVAL OFFICE PRESENTING PRESIDENT TRUMP WITH A CUSTOM-MADE STATUE, WITH YOU KNOW, A GOLD BASE MADE IN UTAH.

YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE KINDS OF DEMONSTRATIONS AND DISPLAYS OF FEALTY THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN IN THIS COUNTRY CERTAINLY IN MY TIME WORKING AS A JOURNALIST BUT LOOKING BACK TO THE FIRST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IN 2016, WE SAW TECH EXECUTIVES COMING OUT PUBLICLY DENOUNCING THE PRESIDENT AND HIS STATEMENTS AGAINST IMMIGRANTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH AND THEY CAME OUT SWINGING IN MANY CASES AND WHAT IS NOTABLE AND WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR READERS TO RECOGNIZE TODAY, IS THAT WE ARE SEEING THE INDUSTRY DO ALMOST A 180, FROM THAT APPROACH.

WHERE THEY ARE NOT ONLY SORT OF WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES TO COLLABORATE WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND SORT OF TO FIND GAMES FOR THEIR OWN CORPORATE INTEREST, BUT THEY ARE DOING IT OVERTLY IN PUBLIC, THIS IS NOT EVEN HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES, THIS IS HAPPENING IN PLAIN SIGHT AND IT'S A TROUBLING PHENOMENON.

>> THAT ARTICLE IS AUTHORED BY STEPHEN LEAVY, AND ONE OF THE THINGS LEFT OUT AT ME BUT HERE SOMETHING THAT TOOK ME BY SURPRISE, THIS IS STEPHEN TALKING, HOW QUICKLY AND DECISIVELY THE VISIONARIES I CHRONICLED ALIGNED THEMSELVES WITH TRUMP A MAN WHOSE VALUES CLASHED WITH THE EGALITARIAN IMPULSES OF THE DIGITAL REVOLUTION.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE FIRST TIME I HAD READ STEPHEN LEAVY'S WORKS DECADES AGO AND HE CHRONICLED THE BEGINNING OF MODERN-DAY SILICON VALLEY, THE TYPE OF ENTREPRENEURS THAT HE PROFILED THEN WERE REALLY ALMOST LIKE COUNTERCULTURE HIPPIES, THEY HAD A REBELLIOUS STREAK IN THEM, AND I'M THINKING OF THE APPLE AD, 1984, LET'S TAKE ON BIG BROTHER, AND HERE WE ARE NOW, COMING TO A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ARC WHERE FRANKLY THE BIGGEST SILICON VALLEY EXECUTIVES ARE BIG BROTHER.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT, AND STEPHEN WAS IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY THE PERFECT PERSON TO WRITE THAT PIECE.

HE STARTED CHRONICLING THE TECH INDUSTRY IN THE 80s AND HAS WRITTEN SEVERAL BOOKS ABOUT SEVERAL OF THESE COMPANIES.

HE HAS MET PEOPLE LIKE MARK ZUCKERBERG, LARRY PAGE, STEVE JOBS, AT THE EARLIEST MOMENTS OF THEIR CAREERS AND WATCH THEM AND FOLLOW THEM IN THE DECADES THAT PAST, SO, FOR HIM TO MAKE THAT OBSERVATION, I THINK IT'S PARTICULARLY POIGNANT AND ITS RESIDENT BUT YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, THE PEOPLE THAT HE WAS CHRONICLING IN THE 90s AND EARLY 2000'S, THEY WERE REBELS, AND THEY DID SEE TECHNOLOGY AND LATER, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE ADVENT OF SOCIAL PLATFORMS AS A FORCE FOR GOOD, AS A DEMOCRATIZING FORCE, AS A FORCE THAT WOULD BRING US ALL CLOSER TOGETHER THAT WOULD CREATE A MORE EGALITARIAN SOCIETY.

THAT WAS THIS REBEL SILICON VALLEY MOVEMENT FIGHTING THE STATUS QUOTE.

THE REALITY IS, THOSE SAME INDIVIDUALS RUNNING THESE COMPANIES HAVE BECOME SO WEALTHY, AND THESE COMPANIES HAVE BECOME SO WELL-FUNDED AND SO POWERFUL, THAT THEY ARE NOW VERY MUCH THE STATUS QUO.

THEY ARE THE MAN, THEY ARE, IF ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, AS POWERFUL YOU KNOW, AS THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, CERTAINLY AS GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD.

THAT'S HOW MUCH CLOUT THEY HAVE.

AND WE ARE NOW SEEING WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH IT, AND INSTEAD OF SORT OF KEEPING THAT REBEL SPIRIT ALIVE AND WELL, THEY ARE, AT ALL COSTS, PROTECTING THEIR BUSINESS INTEREST AND THEIR DESIRE TO ESSENTIALLY CONSOLIDATE POWER AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY THEY ARE WORKING SO HAND IN HAND WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.

>> THERE'S A QUOTE IN THERE THAT HE HAS FROM A VERY PROMINENT INVESTOR NAMED MARK ANDERSON, WHO, IF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, BUILT THIS THING CALLED THE NETSCAPE BROWSER AND NOW IT'S ANCIENT HISTORY BUT IT REALLY WAS INTEGRAL INTO HOW WE RECEIVED THE INTERNET AND THE WEB AT THE TIME.

HE HAS BECOME AN INCREDIBLY POWERFUL PERSON AND HE TALKS ABOUT THIS KIND OF, THIS DEAL THAT SEEMED TO BE UNDERLYING WHAT WAS THE SILICON VALLEY E THOSE OF HOW THEY COULD WORK WITH GOVERNMENT, WHAT WENT WRONG WITH THAT DEAL ESPECIALLY THROUGH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION?

>> AS FAR AS MARK ANDERSON SEEMS TO BE CONCERNED, THE DEAL WAS ESSENTIALLY, THE TECHNOLOGY INDUSTRY IS ABLE TO OPERATE AND INNOVATE AND DO BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVELY AND WITH SORT OF MINIMAL INTERVENTION AT LEAST WITH FEDERAL SUPPORT AND BUY-IN, AND IN EXCHANGE, THEY WOULD CHAMPION SORT OF SOCIAL VALUES OF THE LEFT OSTENSIBLY, RIGHT?

THAT IS THE DEAL AS HE SAW IT, AND AS HE AND OTHER EXECUTIVES IN THE VALLEY SEE IT, YOU KNOW, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION TOOK A VERY HEAVY, VERY DAMAGING HAND VIS-A-VIS THE TECHNOLOGY INDUSTRY WHETHER IT WAS TRYING TO BREAK UP MONOPOLIES, WHETHER IT WAS TRYING TO SORT OF POLICE THE CONDUCT OF SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES OR SORT OF YOU KNOW, BEHAVIOR ON THE INTERNET TO HOLD PLATFORMS ACCOUNTABLE.

THEY FELT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEIR BUSINESSES TO GROW AND TO FLOURISH AND TO INNOVATE, AND THEY REALLY TOOK EXCEPTION TO THAT.

IN MANY INSTANCES THEY FOUND IT PERSONALLY OFFENSIVE, PERSONALLY HURTFUL.

THIS WAS NOT JUST ABOUT BUSINESS BEING TOUGH, THIS WAS ABOUT THEM FEELING LIKE THEIR FEELINGS HAVE BEEN HURT AND LIKE SOME, AGAIN, UNSPOKEN DEAL, HAVE BEEN VIOLATED ON THE PART OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, AND THAT IS WHAT IN MANY CASES SEEMS TO HAVE PUSHED MANY OF THESE EXECUTIVES TO OPENLY EMBRACE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE THEY SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH AN ADMINISTRATION AND WITH REGULATORS, WHO WOULD TAKE A MORE LAX APPROACH.

SO THEY HAVE CERTAINLY TAKEN EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS ALIGNED WITH THEIR AGENDA, WHETHER IT'S HOW CENTRAL MEDIA COMPANY SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE POLICE, HOUSE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE SHOULD BE REGULATED, THEY SEE AN OPPORTUNITY IN TRUMP TO GET WHAT THEY WANT SO THEY ARE HAPPY TO THROW THAT DEAL OUT THE WINDOW BECAUSE THEY THINK THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ALREADY DID.

THEY'RE HAPPY TO THROW THAT DEAL OUT THE WINDOW AND GO ALL IN.

>> HOW SUCCESSFUL I GUESS, FOR THEM, HOW SUCCESSFUL HAS IT BEEN OR FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WIRED THAT HAS CHRONIC -- CHRONICLED THESE THINGS, HOW DIFFERENT IS THAT NOW VERSUS SAY A YEAR AGO?

>> IN MANY RESPECTS, IT HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL.

TWO KEY EXAMPLES AND WE ARE ONLY EIGHT MONTHS INTO THIS, WE'VE GOT MORE THAN THREE YEARS TO GO TO SEE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT BUT I THINK TWO REALLY GOOD EXAMPLES ARE CRYPTOCURRENCY AND ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS EMBRACED CRYPTO AND OPENED THE DOOR FOR CRYPTO COMPANIES TO GROW RELATIVELY UNFETTERED AND TO BECOME MUCH MORE MAINSTREAM AND SORT OF ESTABLISHED, THEN THEY WERE EVEN A YEAR AGO WHEN THEY STILL SORT OF SKIRTED VERY MUCH BENEATH THE RADAR, BELOW THE RADAR.

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS MADE IT EASIER FOR CRYPTO COMPANIES TO OPERATE IN THIS COUNTRY.

AND THEN WITH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

I THINK WHAT'S SO INTERESTING TO ME AND TO US AT WIRED, IS IN 2023 AND 2024 WHEN GENERATIVE AI WAS REALLY REACHING MAINSTREAM --MAINSTREAM PROMINENCE, IT BLEW UP IN THE MAINSTREAM CONSCIOUSNESS, YOU HAD EXECUTIVES LIKE SAM ALTMAN PUBLICLY ON THE RECORD SAY, WE WANT REGULATION.

THIS INDUSTRY NEEDS TO BE REGULATED, BRING IT ON.

WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE GOVERNMENT TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

FAST FORWARD TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, UNVEILING THEIR AI ACTION PLAN OVER THE SUMMER WHICH ESSENTIALLY SAYS, GO FOR IT, GUYS.

WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A VERY LIGHT HAND IN REGULATING YOU, BECAUSE WE NEED TO BEAT CHINA SO LET'S GO.

AND INSTEAD OF THE TECH EXECUTIVES SAYING HOLD ON A SECOND, WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE REGULATION WE WERE ASKING FOR, THEY SAID, WE ARE THRILLED TO WORK IN SUCH A PRO INNOVATION ENVIRONMENT.

WE ARE THRILLED TO PARTNER WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ON BUILDING OUT THIS INDUSTRY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

SO REALLY SORT OF THAT DRASTIC ABOUT FACE IN AI REGULATION, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL EXAMPLES AND MOST VISIBLE SO FAR.

>> ONE OF THE QUOTES THAT STEPHEN LEAVY LAYS OUT, ABOUT CONSOLIDATION OF POWER.

AN EXTRAORDINARY TINY NUMBER BILLIONAIRES THAT CONTROL THE INFORMATION ECOSYSTEM HAVE MADE ALLYSHIP WITH THE MOST FIERCE POLITICAL POWER IN THE WORLD.

THERE'S NEVER BEEN A TIME IN HISTORY WHEN THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN COMBINED.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE A SEPARATE PIECE IN THE MAGAZINE ABOUT ELON MUSK AND HIS CONTROL OF AN ENTIRE SECTOR WHICH IS SPACE, AND HOW MUCH POWER HE HAS OVER SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THE SATELLITES, THAT ARE FLOATING AROUND RIGHT NOW, OVER WAR ZONES, ESTABLISHING RELIABLE COMMUNICATIONS FOR FRANKLY BOTH SIDES OF THE WAR IN UKRAINE AND RUSSIA.

>> ELON MUSK IS A TERRIFIC EXAMPLE OF THIS.

AND THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT ELON MUSK IS WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY TO REPAIR HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PRESIDENT AND THE ADMINISTRATION PRECISELY BECAUSE HE HAS VERY LUCRATIVE GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS THAT HE NEEDS TO MAINTAIN IN ORDER TO ESSENTIALLY BUILD YOU KNOW, A SPACE EMPIRE THAT NOW SORT OF FAR OUTSTRIPS NASA AND NASA'S ABILITY TO DO WHAT ELON MUSK IS DOING AT THEIR BEHEST AND WITH THEIR FUNDING.

SO I THINK THAT IS ONE GREAT EXAMPLE.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT FEELS REALLY RELEVANT IN THIS MOMENT IS ACTUALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH LARRY ELLISON.

THIS IS A TECH BILLIONAIRE WHO SKIRTED BENEATH THE SURFACE FOR A LONG TIME, NOT SOMEONE WHO WE AT WIRED PAID THAT MUCH ATTENTION TO IT UNTIL MAYBE SIX MONTHS AGO WHEN WE SAW HIM STANDING WITH SAM ALTMAN AND PRESIDENT TRUMP TO ANNOUNCE THIS MASSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT IN AI TECHNOLOGY, STARGATE.

WHAT WE ARE NOW SEEING WITH LARRY ELLISON AND THE ELLISON FAMILY IS INTENSELY A REALLY UNPRECEDENTED CONSOLIDATION OF CONTROL OVER MEDIA, OVER CULTURE, OVER OUR DATA, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PARAMOUNT, AND CBS, LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF WARNER BROS.

DISCOVERY WHICH ENCOMPASSES CNN AND THEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS TIKTOK DEAL WHICH WOULD PUT THE DATA OF 170 MILLION AMERICAN USERS IN THE HANDS OF LARRY ELLISON AND THE ELLISON FAMILY AND ORACLE, THE COMPANY HE CONTROLS.

THAT IS A STARTLING AMOUNT OF CONSOLIDATION OF SORT OF, WHAT WE CONSUME, HOW WE CONSUME IT, THE NEWS AND INFORMATION WE OBTAIN AND THE FILTERS THROUGH WHICH WE OBTAIN IT, THIS TIKTOK ALGORITHM THAT WE KNOW NOW WILL BE RETRAINED, WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT'LL BE RETRAINED BUT WE KNOW THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE RETRAINING ARE CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH THE PRESIDENT.

>> ARE THERE LONGER-TERM COSTS FOR THE LACK OF A REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW ON AI?

I'M THINKING BACK TO HOW DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, THE SOCIAL NETWORKS WERE ESSENTIALLY ALLOWED A FREE HAND.

AND I WONDER, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO LOOK AT 10 YEARS OUT AND SAY, WE DIDN'T BUT THESE PARTICULAR TYPES OF GUARDRAILS ON AI?

>> THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT SOCIAL MEDIA AS A CAUTIONARY TALE THAT CANNOT BE REPEATED, IS DEEPLY, DEEPLY UNFORTUNATE AND TO YOUR POINT, INCREDIBLY CONSEQUENTIAL.

I THINK ONE OF THE MOST SALIENT EXAMPLES HERE, IS EXACTLY THAT, IT'S CHILDREN, RIGHT, SOCIAL MEDIA HAS AN EXTREMELY DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON A GENERATION OF CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS, AND WE ARE NOW SEEING THAT EXACT SAME PHENOMENON PLAY OUT IN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND HOW IT'S IMPACTING CHILDREN'S ABILITY TO LEARN, TO SOCIALIZE, TO ENGAGE IN ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIPS, TO SAFEGUARD THEIR MENTAL HEALTH, AND THERE IS CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT, THERE'S MEDIA COVERAGE, THERE ARE ALARM BELLS BEING SOUNDED, BUT WILL THERE BE REGULATION IN TIME TO PROTECT THIS NEXT GENERATION OF CHILDREN?

I THINK THE POTENTIAL DAMAGE THAT WE ARE DOING ON AN ENVIRONMENTAL LEVEL WITH THE DATA CENTERS WITH INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S BEING BUILT, WITH THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF ENERGY, THAT ARE REQUIRED TO FUEL THIS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE BOOM, THE FACT THAT THAT IS HAPPENING WITH LITTLE TO NO OVERSIGHT OR REGULATION OR DESIRE TO SORT OF PUT STANDARDS IN PLACE FOR HOW THESE COMPANIES OUGHT TO OPERATE, WHAT IS EFFICIENTLY -- EFFICIENCY LOOK LIKE, THE FACT THAT THAT IS ON A CONVERSATION HAPPENING ON A DAILY BASIS RIGHT NOW SHOULD BE INCREDIBLY CONCERNING ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ADMINISTRATION THAT ALREADY DOESN'T SEEM PARTICULARLY INCLINED TO ACCEPT CLIMATE CHANGE AS A FACT, WHICH IT IS.

>> RECENTLY WE HAD NEWS THAT AFFECTED THE TECH INDUSTRY WHICH WAS THE H1B VISA PROGRAM HAVING AN ADDITIONAL $100,000 FEE PUT ONTO IT, FOR ALL OF THE HIGHLY SKILLED WORKERS.

I WONDER, WHAT IS THE RIPPLE EFFECT GOING TO BE ON TECH?

AND I SEE THAT KIND OF BREAKING IN MY OWN HEAD, DIFFERENTLY FOR AMAZON, THE LARGEST EMPLOYER OF H1B VISAS THAT MIGHT HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY THE $100,000 VERSUS A SMALLER COMPANY THAT MIGHT BE USING SOME OF ITS HIGHLY SKILLED LABOR AND JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO TACK ON AN EXTRA $100,000?

>> LOOK, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE POINT.

FIRST OF ALL, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT NOT ONLY IS AMAZON THE TOPMOST SPONSOR OF H1B VISAS BUT RIGHT AFTER AMAZON COMES EVERY OTHER BIG TECH COMPANY, THOSE VISAS ARE VITAL TO THIS INDUSTRY AND THEY HAVE BEEN FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

YES, COULD THESE COMPANIES PAY THE FEE?

ABSOLUTELY, WILL THEY HAVE TO?

THAT IS LESS CLEAR.

WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THIS PRESIDENT AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM HIM MANY TIMES, IS HE IS HAPPY TO DO A DEAL, IF HE GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT.

IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT SORT OF DEALS OUR BROKER THAT PERHAPS CREATE EXEMPTIONS FOR CERTAIN COMPANIES.

NOW, IT'S ALSO QUITE EASY TO EXTRAPOLATE FROM ALL OF THIS, OR HYPOTHESIZE THAT THE COMPANIES THAT WILL NOT GET THOSE KINDS OF EXEMPTIONS, THE COMPANIES THAT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT TRUMP DECIDES TO DO, WILL BE VULNERABLE TO THOSE FEES, ARE THE STARTUPS.

THEY ARE THE DISRUPTORS, THEY ARE YOU KNOW, IN SOME WAYS, WE HOPE, RIGHT, THE NEW REBELS, THE NEW RENEGADES OF THE INDUSTRY, WHO ARE BUILDING SOMETHING NEW, SOMETHING FRESH, SOMETHING EXCITING.

ALL OF THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE STOMPED OUT, AND WHAT WE WILL THEN SEE IS GREATER AND GREATER CONSOLIDATION OF POWER, OF CLOUT, OF MIGHT, AMONG THIS BIG TECH COHORT WHO ARE ALIGNING THEMSELVES WITH THE PRESIDENT.

SO THE PROSPECT OF SORT OF STIFLING INNOVATION AND STIFLING THE SMALLER COMPANIES IS EXACTLY THE RISK WE ARE LOOKING AT, AND THAT BENEFITS BIG TECH AND OF COURSE THE ADMINISTRATION SEEMS AMBIVALENT ABOUT THAT.

>> IS THIS AN IDEOLOGICAL SHIFT IN SILICON VALLEY, OR IS IT TRANSACTIONAL?

I MEAN, IF IT'S TRANSACTIONAL, SOME OF THE TECH LEADERS HAVE SAID AND DONE THINGS ANYWHERE LIKE WELL, IF THERE'S A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN SO TO SPEAK, FOR FOUR YEARS, ARE YOU GOING TO WALK SOME OF THIS BACK?

>> YOU KNOW WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS CADRE OF TECH EXECUTIVES, AND WHETHER WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING IDEOLOGICAL OR WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING PURELY TRANSACTIONAL, I REALLY DO THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE EXECUTIVE, RIGHT?

THEY ARE NOT A MONOLITH, ULTIMATELY, WHEN I TAKE THEM ALL IN AGGREGATE, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS STRATEGIC BEHAVIOR, I MEAN, THIS IS ALL ABOUT BUSINESS TRANSACTION, AN OPPORTUNITY AND OPPORTUNISM.

BUT I THINK THAT IN AND OF ITSELF, REPRESENTS ITS OWN IDEOLOGY.

IT'S THE IDEOLOGY OF SORT OF, PURE, UNFETTERED CAPITALISTIC GAME.

THAT IS NOW, SADLY, MAYBE, THE IDEOLOGY OF SILICON VALLEY.

IT IS PROFIT, AT ALL COSTS, EVEN IF THAT MEANS PRESENTING PRESIDENT TRUMP WITH A CUSTOM- MADE STATUE IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

THAT'S PART OF THE DEAL.

AND THAT IS ULTIMATELY, WHAT SILICON VALLEY IS NOW.

>> THE SPECIAL ISSUE OF WIRED IS CALLED ALL HAIL THE TECHNOCRACY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

> >> FINALLY, FROM THE HEART OF PUERTO RICO TO THE BIGGEST STAGE IN AMERICAN FOOTBALL.

LATIN SUPERSTAR, BAD BUNNY HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED AS THE SUPER BOWL HALFTIME SHOW PERFORMER.

THE THREE-TIME GRAMMY WENT WINNER HAS BEEN WRITING A CAREER-HIGH GENERATING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR HIS NATIVE PUERTO RICO.

FOLLOWING A TWO MONTH LONG RESIDENCY IN SAN JUAN, HE'S THE FIRST EVER ARTIST TO TOP A BILLBOARD CHART WITH A SALSA SONG.

THE SUPER BOWL APPEARANCE WILL BE A RARE STOP IN THE U. S. FOR BAD BUNNY.

HIS UPCOMING WORLD TOUR FORGOES MAINLAND AMERICAN CITIES ALTOGETHER CITING FEARS THAT I. C. E. COULD RAID CONCERT VENUES.

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