Sen. Mark Warner on Trump’s Role in the Government Shutdown

>>> NOW, IN THE UNITED STATES, THE GOVERNMENT REMAINS SHUT DOWN FOR ITS THIRD CONSECUTIVE WEEK.

WHY?

THEY ARE STILL AT AN IMPASSE OVER A KEY FUNDING BILL.

TODAY IT FAILED TO ADVANCE TO THE SENATE FOR THE TENTH TIME AND THE STALEMATE IS ALREADY HAVING REVERBERATIONS ON THE ECONOMY AND THE PAYROLL OF FEDERAL WORKERS.

TEMPORARILY BLOCKED FROM LAYING OFF THOUSANDS OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.

THE JUDGE CALLED IT POLITICALLY MOTIVATED.

DEMOCRATIC SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA, MARK WARNER, JOINS MICHEL MARTIN NOW TO DISCUSS HOW MASS LAYOFFS ARE IMPACTING HIS STATE.

AND ABOUT HIS FEARS OF A LOOMING HEALTHCARE CRISIS.

>> THANKS, CHRISTIANE, SENATOR MARK WARNER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE CALLED YOU.

YOU, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE INTO THE THIRD WEEK OF THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN BY NOW.

THE PRESIDENT IS THREATENING TO LAYOFF FEDERAL WORKERS.

IT APPEARS THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME ARRANGEMENT TO PAY MILITARY PERSONNEL AT LEAST.

VIRGINIA IS AFFECTED BY THIS.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE OF THE WORK FORCE, OUR FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AND THE SECOND LARGEST NUMBER OF THE MILITARY PERSONNEL OF ANY STATE IN THE COUNTRY AFTER CALIFORNIA.

SO FIRST THING I WANTED TO ASK YOU, WHAT ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS TELLING YOU ABOUT THIS?

WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM THEM?

>> FIRST OF ALL, I'M GLAD THE MILITARY IS GETTING PAID.

BUT REMARKABLY, AT LEAST AT THIS STAGE OF THIS PROCESS, I'M HEARING FROM FEDERAL WORKERS PRETTY CONSISTENTLY THAT THEY FEEL THEY HAVE BEEN TRAUMATIZED BY TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

I FEEL THE DIRECTOR WHO SEEMS TO BE TRUMP GRIM REAPER.

HE'S REALLY COMING AFTER FEDERAL WORKERS.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE PRESIDENT HAS NO GREATER ABILITY DURING THE SHUTDOWN TO FIRE WORKERS.

AND THEN IN TRADITIONAL TIMES.

THEY FEEL VERY MUCH VICTIMIZED.

THEY WANTED TO PUSH BACK.

WE ALSO BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF THAT CLIFF THAT IS NOT GOING TO COME AT THE END OF THE YEAR, THAT WILL LITERALLY COME ON NOVEMBER 1 FOR PEOPLE WHERE THEY GET THEIR INCREASED HEALTHCARE COSTS AND THEY WILL HAVE TO BUY IN THE MARKETPLACE.

PUT ON THAT, ON TOP OF THE FACT, YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS ONLY SITTING DOWN WITH THE LEADERSHIP ONE TIME ON THE WHOLE ISSUE.

I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN WORKING AROUND THE WORLD.

SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL, COMMENDING THEM ON THAT.

THE IDEA IS NOT TAKING THIS SHUTDOWN SERIOUSLY AND SITTING DOWN, TRYING TO WORK THIS OUT.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP.

WE COULD ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THE HEALTHCARE CRISIS, GET THE WORK FORCE BACK IN.

FRANKLY TOWARDS THE END OF THE DAY, THE PRESIDENT WILL CONTINUE TO RATCHET UP THREATS.

THE FEDERAL WORK FORCE MORE ANGRY AND MORE FRUSTRATED.

>> DO YOU THINK THIS SENDS -- IT CREATES A WEDGE ACTUALLY BETWEEN CIVILIANS AND MILITARY PERSONNEL?

MILITARY PERSONNEL GETTING PAID AND CIVILIANS ARE NOT?

>> I HOPE NOT.

THEY WOULD RECOGNIZE ALL THESE FEDERAL WORKERS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE SAFETY OF OUR COUNTRY, WHETHER IT IS IN PUTTING THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE OR FOR THAT MATTER, INSPECTING THE MILK AND THE FOOD THAT WE DRINK OR EAT.

THAT PROTECTS AMERICANS AS WELL.

HAVING THOSE FOLKS NOT PAY ISN'T FAIR OR RIGHT.

WE HAVE SAID FOR SOME TIME, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS A PREVENTABLE CRISIS.

WE KNEW THE HEALTHCARE COSTS WERE GOING UP.

WE'VE GOT CLINICS CLOSING ALREADY IN MY STATE BECAUSE OF THIS FEAR AND THIS HEALTHCARE CLIFF.

LET'S DO THESE TOGETHER.

THERE IS A LACK OF TRUST BECAUSE SO FAR, EVEN WHEN WE REACH AGREEMENT WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION, WE'VE SEEN THEM COME IN AFTER THE FACT.

CHOOSE WHICH PROGRAM TO FUND OR NOT TO FUND.

THAT IS NOT THE WAY THE LAW OPERATES.

>> SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS.

PEOPLE AREN'T FOLLOWING THIS AS CLOSELY AS YOU ARE AND CERTAINLY AS PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSELY CONNECTED TO THE FEDERAL WORK FORCE ARE.

THE IMMEDIATE ISSUE, THE REPUBLICANS ARGUE THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT PASSING WHAT THEY CALL A CLEAN CONTINUING RESOLUTION, WHICH KEEPS FUNDING AT THE SAME LEVELS AS THE PREVIOUS BUDGET.

THE DEMOCRATS SAY THE ISSUE HERE IS THE EXPIRATION OF THESE SUBSIDIES FOR PEOPLE WHO BUY CARE MARKETPLACE.

THE COST OF THE BUYER IS GOING TO INCREASE, AND THAT AS YOU POINTED OUT, THE TIMELINE IS COMING UP FOR THESE INSURANCE PREMIUMS TO BE PRICED OUT.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THEIR BUDGET.

IN ESSENCE, BOTH SIDES -- GO AHEAD.

THE IDEA THIS IS A NORMAL CR.

JUST ISN'T THE CASE.

HISTORICALLY, AND WE HAVE PASSED A BUNCH OF THESE.

DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS WORK OUT THE DEAL AND THEN SAY THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE A TIME OUT TO FINISH THEM.

NONE OF THAT TOOK PLACE.

USUALLY IT INVOLVES THE WHITE HOUSE AS WELL.

THE REPUBLICANS FELT LIKE WE DON'T NEED DEMOCRATS AT ALL, SO WE'RE GOING TO BOX THEM OUT NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE GOTTEN CLOSE TO THESE KINDS OF SHUTDOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, WHICH IS AN AWFUL OPTION.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED HE USED THE SPEAKERSHIP VERY MUCH TO HIS ADVANTAGE, GIVING BIDEN TO THE TABLE.

TRUMP HAD ONE MEETING AND THEN KIND OF BLEW IT OFF.

AND THE IMMEDIACY OF THE HEALTHCARE BITE IS SUCH THAT PEOPLE ARE ALREADY GETTING THESE NOTICES.

MY FEAR IS THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THE COST GOING UP.

THEY'RE AFRAID AS AMERICANS SEE THESE NOTICES COMING OUT, WHICH WILL HAPPEN MORE IN LATE OCTOBER THAN EARLY OCTOBER.

IT'S NOT JUST THE 24 MILLION AMERICANS WHO BUY THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE THROUGH THESE MARKETPLACES.

BUT IF WE DRIVE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS OUT OF THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM AND DRIVE THEM ALL BACK INTO THE EMERGENCY ROOM, THAT'S GOING TO COLLAPSE THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.

EVERYBODY'S HEALTHCARE RATES ARE GOING TO GO UP.

WE WANT TO AVOID THAT, WE CAN AVOID THAT, BUT YOU NEED TO GET IN THE ROOM TO TALK ABOUT THESE I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS REASONABLE TO SAY LET'S SIT DOWN AND FRANKLY AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME, THE ONE THING WE DO KNOW, THEY HAVE NO SAY IN THIS.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WILL BE DECIDED ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE BY DONALD TRUMP.

SO WE NEED THE PRESIDENT'S ENGAGEMENT.

WE NEED TO SIT DOWN.

REASONABLE PEOPLE CAN WORK THIS OUT.

LET'S SEE THOSE MAKE A DEAL SKILLS WORK BACK HERE AT HOME AND AVOID THIS HEALTHCARE CRISIS AND GET FEDERAL WORKERS.

>> YOU LAID OUT THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ARGUMENT?

YOU HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THE POLITICS ARE ON THEIR SIDE IN THIS, THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO RISK PEOPLE NEITHER BEING UNABLE TO AFFORD THEM ALTOGETHER, ETC., WHY ARE THEY WRONG?

>> WELL, ALL THE DATA I'VE SEEN SO FAR INDICATES AMERICANS DON'T WANT THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM TO EXPLODE.

NOW AGAIN, WHO KNOWS IN A FEW WEEKS.

BUT I THINK IN A FEW WEEKS, THE CIRCUMSTANCE WILL GET WORSE FOR THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE PEOPLE, THESE PRICE INCREASES, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET THE LETTERS AND GO HOLY CRAP.

THEY WENT FROM $800 A MONTH, $2,100 A MONTH, WHICH IN ROANOKE IN MY STATE WOULD RECEIVE, IF THEY MAKE, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY $80,000 A YEAR.

THAT'S A DRAMATIC INCREASE.

WOULD APPROVE FOR THE PRESIDENT AND OTHER THAN THE FACT IT'S GOING TO MAKE MORE PEOPLE SAY HEY, WE CANNOT AFFORD THIS DRAMATIC INCREASE.

>> THE ARGUMENT THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE MAKING THAT VOTING FOR THE CONTINUING RESOLUTION IS A WAY TO BUY TIME TO HAVE THOSE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS.

WHY ARE THEY WRONG?

>> AND WE KNEW THIS CLIFF WAS COMING AND THERE WAS NO ENGAGEMENT.

WE ARE OPERATING RIGHT NOW IT EXPIRED AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

PLENTY OF TIME TO NEGOTIATE THIS.

I FEEL THERE IS THIS SENSE THAT THE PRESIDENT FEELS SO EMBOLDEN THAT HE BASICALLY CAN BLOW OFF CONGRESS IN ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN SURPRISED AT MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES HAVEN'T WRITTEN, HAVEN'T RISEN UP TO SAY HEY, WE NEED TO HAVE A SAY ON IT THIS AS WELL.

BUT FRANKLY THERE IS NOT MUCH OF A REPUBLICAN PARTY.

THERE IS A TRUMP PARTY.

THERE IS A REAL INTEREST IN NEGOTIATING.

WHY DIDN'T IT HAPPEN BEFORE SEPTEMBER 30?

AND SO TAKING A PROMISE FROM SOMEBODY WHO HASN'T KEPT IT SO FAR, WHEN THEY WERE IN PLACE AND THEY TOOK WHICH PLACE TO FUND, HOW YOU GO INTO THAT CIRCUMSTANCE, WHERE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, FOOL ME ONCE, IT'S MY FAULT.

FOOL ME TWICE, YOU KNOW, I'M A FOOL.

AND WE'VE SEEN THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY FROM THIS AND FROM THIS PRESIDENT IN TERMS OF CUTTING BACK ON PROGRAMS THAT WERE AGREED ON.

THERE IS NOT A LOT OF TRUST AS WE KNOW.

LET'S MAKE THIS DEAL.

THE DETAILS ON HOW YOU WOULD EXTEND THE ACA SUBSIDIES WILL TAKE SOME TIME.

BUT I THINK YOU COULD SKIP TO A DEAL TO GET THIS REOPENED RIGHT AWAY, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BASED ON SOME FUTURE PROMISE TO NEGOTIATE WHEN WE'VE SEEN A LACK OF TRUST, THE LACK OF FOLLOW THROUGH.

>> AND THE IRONY BEING ACCORDING TO THE ANALYSIS OF THE HEALTH NEWS, THE MAJORITY OF BUYERS OF THESE POLICIES UNDER THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT ARE ACTUALLY IN REPUBLICAN STATES?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THEY'RE ALL FROM STATES THAT DIDN'T EXPAND MEDICAID.

WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THE TRILLION DOLLAR HIT THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN TO MEDICAID, WHICH AGAIN, OUR REPUBLICAN FRIENDS DIDN'T KICK IN UNTIL LAST YEAR'S MIDTERM ELECTIONS WERE ABOUT 11 MILLION ADDITIONAL.

CONVERSATIONS.

I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE NO SORT OF DISCUSSIONS GOING ON, BUT I ASSUME YOU HAVE SIDE CONVERSATIONS.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE YOU'VE KNOWN FOR YEARS.

THIS IS YOUR THIRD TERM.

YOU'VE SERVED WITH PEOPLE FOR YEARS.

ANY PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON?

>> I'VE BEEN A PART OF EVERY BIPARTISAN GROUP IN THE LAST DECADE.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE GREAT REPUBLICAN FRIENDS WHO I KNOW THEY WANT TO GET THIS RESOLVED.

BUT IN TODAY'S WASHINGTON, NO REPUBLICAN SENATOR ARE CONGRESSMEN WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE OR TWO WILL GO AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE IN ANY SERIOUS WAY UNLESS THE PRESIDENT SAYS SO.

THE IDEA IN THE CLASSIC WAY, THE SENATE WOULD WORK THEIR WAY WITH THE REPUBLICANS AND THE DEMOCRATS COMING TO A CONCLUSION.

THAT'S NOT THE REALITY OF THE WAY WE WOULD LIVE IN TODAY.

THEY CONTROL EVERY ACTION OF THE REPUBLICAN SENATE.

THERE IS NO INDEPENDENT ACTORS.

ACTORS.

NO MATTER WHAT PLACE IS TAKING PLACE OR THEIR INVOLVEMENT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD GET THIS INVOLVED.

>> I GUESS I'M CURIOUS AND HERE IS WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO SPECULATE.

HE'S VERY ATTENTIVE TO WHO HE PROCEEDS AS BEING A PART OF HIS CONSTITUENCY, HIS BASE AS THEY WERE.

SO I GUESS THE QUESTION BECOMES WHY WOULD HE BE WILLING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE OR SEE THEM RISE AS IT IS PROJECTED THEY WILL.

DO YOU HAVE A THEORY ABOUT THAT?

>> I ONLY KNOW WHAT WAS REPORTED FROM THE ONE MEETING WHERE THEY MET WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.

IT SEEMS AT THAT POINT, THE PRESIDENT WAS NOT AWARE OF HOW DRAMATIC THIS CLIFF WOULD BE IN THE END OF OCTOBER.

I THINK HE PROBABLY HAS TO BE MORE INFORMED NOW, BUT HE'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN FOCUSED ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND GAZA.

AND HERE AT HOME, THEY WON'T MAKE AMERICA GREAT IF WE DESTROY AN ALREADY CHALLENGED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.

BUT SO FAR, THAT HASN'T COME TO PASS.

I MEAN, IF THE PRESIDENT SAT DOWN AND THEY HAD TWO OR THREE SESSIONS AND DIDN'T GET TO A DEAL, THEN THEY WOULD BE STRENGTHENED.

NOT ABOUT OPENING UP THE NEGOTIATIONS.

THE ASK THAT'S BEING MADE, WHAT STOOD OUT IN THE ROOM, ISN'T THAT A REASONABLE APPROACH?

AREN'T YOU THE WORLD'S BEST DEAL MAKER?

AND HIS REFUSAL TO DO SO.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

I DON'T GET IT.

>> THE REPUBLICANS, UP TO INCLUDING THE VICE PRESIDENT HAVE BEEN ARGUING WHAT DEMOCRATS ARE REALLY AFTER IS TO SUBSIDIZE HEALTHCARE FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS?

WHAT ARE THE FACTS OF THAT?

>> LET ME FINISH.

THAT IS WRONG.

I WOULD HOPE THE VICE PRESIDENT WOULD KNOW THE LAW.

I KNOW HE DIDN'T SPEND MUCH TIME IN THE SENATE.

THE LAW PROHIBITS ANY FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT ARE GOING IN MEDICAID, THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, IN ANY OTHER PROGRAM TO UNDOCUMENT PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.

HE SHOULD KNOW IT.

TO STATE OTHERWISE IS A LIE.

IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE 24 MILLION AMERICANS WHO ARE ABOUT TO LOSE THEIR HEALTHCARE COVERAGE.

>> AND THE BASIS OF THAT IS WHAT?

EMERGENCY ROOMS, AS YOU JUST POINTED OUT HAVE TO TREAT ALL?

IS THAT THE LOGIC OF THAT?

>> THAT IS A LAW THAT EVEN IF WE DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET YOU BLEED OUT ON THE FLOOR IN THE I THINK THAT'S THE LAW OF MOST CIVILIZED NATIONS.

THE IRONY HERE IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THESE 24 MILLION AMERICANS AND DRIVE THEM OUT OF THE SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD IT IT TO HAVE THEM SHOW UP AT THE EMERGENCY ROOM.

ALL YOU'RE DOING IS PUTTING ADDITIONAL BURDEN.

THAT'S ALSO GOING TO DRIVE UP HEALTHCARE COST FOR THE OTHER AMERICANS WHO GOT TRADITIONAL PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE BECAUSE THAT, FOR THE MOST PART, COMES IN WHAT'S CALLED UNCOMPENSATED CARE.

THE HOSPITAL HAS TO EAT IT.

THAT MEANS IT WILL DRIVE UP RATES FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

SOME OF THIS IS JUST PLAIN MATH 101.

AND THE FACT THE VICE PRESIDENT IS, YOU KNOW, MAKING THIS BASELESS FALSE ARGUMENT, THEY ASSUMED FOR A WHILE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, HUGE AMOUNTS OF -- PRESUMPTION IS ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS MUST BE RIDDLED WITH CRAFT, EVEN IN STATES THAT ARE CONTROLLED BY REPUBLICANS, IF SOMEHOW NON-AMERICANS ARE GETTING THIS ASSISTANCE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE.

IT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY A GREAT BLACK EYE FOR THOSE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED STATES, WHERE THE DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE WHO ARE BUYING THROUGH THE MARKETPLACES.

BUT THE LAW IS 100% EXPLICITLY CLEAR.

AGAIN, I AM DISAPPOINTED THE VICE PRESIDENT DOESN'T KNOW THE LAW OF THE COUNTRY.

>> DO YOU SEE ANY WAY FORWARD?

I UNDERSTAND YOU SPECIFICALLY ON JUST GETTING TO AN AGREEMENT YOUR ARGUMENT IS --OTHER COLLEAGUES ARE ON THE DARKER SIDE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS TO GET INVOLVED, GET IN THE ROOM, AND SORT OF WORK IT OUT?

>> AND LET ME QUICKLY ADD.

I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS ANY REPUBLICAN SENATOR THAT I TALKED TO WHO HASN'T PRIVATELY SAID TO ME.

MARK, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET TRUMP IN THIS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITHOUT TRUMP'S APPROVAL.

>> BUT SUBSTANTIVELY, DO YOU SEE A WAY FORWARD THAT YOU COULD SUPPORT?

>> YES, YES.

>> THERE ARE REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT.

THEY WOULD SAY THE SUBSIDIES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE.

I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS AND SOME OF THEM ARE CONSISTENT.

WE CAN'T AFFORD IT?

>> YES.

I SEE THE PATH FORWARD SUBSTANTIVELY THAT WILL AVOID THE CLIFF, AND IF THERE ARE REFORMS THAT WILL NEED TO BE PUT IN PLACE, PUT US ON THE PATH TO GET THOSE REFORMS.

AVOID THE IMMEDIATE CLIFF OF NOVEMBER.

PUT REFORMS IN PLACE, AND FRANKLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE OFFERED SEMI-REPUBLICAN FRIENDS, BECAUSE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S TARIFFS.

MANY OF OUR FARMING COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY IN THE MIDWEST, SOME OF THOSE REPUBLICANS ARE GETTING CREAMED BECAUSE CHINA IS IT NO LONGER BUYING SOYBEANS.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED A $10, $15, $20 BILLION PACKAGE FOR THE AGRICULTURE COMMUNITY ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

WHY THAT ISN'T INTRODUCED IN THIS CONVERSATION, I'M NOT SURE WHY EITHER.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS DONE.

I BELIEVE IT WILL GET DONE.

THE PRESIDENT WILL COME BACK AND SAY OH, I FORGOT.

WE NEED ANOTHER BUCKET OF MONEY.

WHY WE WOULDN'T GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT INTO THE CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW AND GET IT ALL RESOLVED AND ACTUALLY SHOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

FOR THAT MATTER, THE REST OF THE WORLD, WE COULD STILL FUNCTION WITH THE APPROPRIATE CHECKS AND BALANCES.

THAT WOULD BE A WIN FOR EVERYONE.

I THINK INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT.

>> SENATOR MARK WARNER, THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING WITH US.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.