M1 We were the only children in the marriage of our parents after our parents divorced, our father remarried and had two boys, Don and Charles.

F1 So we had two brothers, half brothers, and we still have Doyle. He's recovering actually from some cancer treatment. But we lost Charles. He was the younger brother, but he died just a few years ago with a heart attack, so.

F20 We still have it all and all has largely, yes. Did you meet Mommy? Maybe he said Trevor and Trevor Islamise son. Trevor worked for us. His show was actually on Bobby Cam, two cameras right in that. Interesting. And I didn't know that last night. You played the cards with your eyes closed. You know, I do that a whole lot.

F2 I started doing that more, I think maybe I've always said it's a piano back, you know, my piano bar and dice, and sometimes I just sit there for a long time and just get into my music. And it just became so wonderful just to play that way.

F20 I enjoy it and I can get into it a lot, totally, actually.

F10 But when I started working with Willie and there I was playing with the band and it's always so hard to make a piano. And and so I found out if I concentrated better with my eyes closed and I could although I couldn't hear the notes, I could know what I was doing. So that actually is how I started doing that. And and it's just become a habit. I kind of a nice habit, I guess, and I'm not aware of it much anymore, but I just seem to do it.

M6 At one point we I started filming. I said I just like cameras to near. So be careful. Don't go too close to Bobby was kind of very careful beginning and then I don't know why they say I've got to the point where I'm like, oh my. Up to two inches from your face.

F14 You're just I don't even know it. I'm not even aware of it most of the time, so I don't know why I thought I was sensitive to the camera. So I'm not that low.

M6 So when what year were you born? What year was really born?

F28 I was born in 1931 on January 1st. And my cousin Mildred always told me that it was the first and it was in the first hour and the first day and of 1931 and. And Willie was born in and April, April 29 of thirty three. So I'm a little over two years older than he is. And your parents were very young. Our parents were they were 16 years old when they fell in love in Arkansas and before my grandparents, the Nelson grandparents, decided to move to Texas to be with the daughter, my father's sister, and she had married and moved to Texas.

F35 So that gave them a real incentive to move to Texas to be with her. And so my mother and dad had to get married so my mother could come back with my dad. And I was just 16 and I was born when they were 17. Both of them were 16 and I was 17. They were 17 when I was born.

M6 They are afraid to say that their marriage wasn't really built to last. But considering they were 16 when they got married, it seems like that's true.

F22 You know, they were just young children, young people who fell in love and didn't want to be separated by all of these miles and and fell in love enough to get married, at least to be together for a while.

M6 But they still stay together for pretty long.

F28 They did until after Willie was born. So that's quite a long time for kids to remain together and maintain a marriage situation.

M6 So you're what are your early memories of Willie's singing, of his singing?

F32 People say, you know, he had a funny voice and everybody used to make when he was young, he had his voice now so deep and, oh, so beautiful. Well, when he was just a little boy until his voice changed, he had the most beautiful it was a completely different voice, but it was so beautiful.

F4 And my grandmother was so concerned about it. His voice changed because she was really afraid that he would lose that beautiful voice. His voice changed and. Of course, it has done nothing but just get better as it gets older.

M3 What will people in the general feeling in Nashville? I went there in Nashville, seemed like he didn't really couldn't fit the mold.

F38 He didn't seem to click too well with. What was going on in Nashville at that?

M16 What do you think Nashville thought of them?

F46 Well, you know, I think that everybody was already pretty set with what they were doing, you know, the people that were already in Nashville and they already had everything, their own musicians and their own writers and people who.

F48 Already, we're Nashville entertainers and songwriters. But his association. That he had when he was riding. It Pampa, and that brought attention to his writing because. Of course, he was there with attention already to himself, with his writing abilities. Because of the family Bible and that he had sold and while he was living in Houston.

M3 Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out what the Nashville country music executives must have thought of them because all the music was like one certain cookie cutter way it comes this guy.

F39 Different, he was different and I didn't you know, how things are when someone is so different and.

F48 They didn't classify him as country artist, maybe, maybe that was part of it, but he was already.

F39 Not some because of his writing, he had already written not laugh and.

M8 And, of course, family bible. Crazy and funny the way.

F48 So he was already a songwriter and I knew that. So he was welcomed into the. But Hank Cochran and Harlan Howard loves people.

M3 I think it was frustrating from being there to not be to see lesser lights. Shining brighter than he was and for him not to be performing.

F39 I think we always just the way Willy still is. He just does what he does and likes to do it the way he feels it. His music is very personal and he wants to his music to be the way he feels it. And of course, he wrote music with more than three chord progressions and.

F48 Here's. Lyrics are. So good.

F4 He has depth to his poetry. And. I think he was really actually ahead of his time in that area.

M3 What's been so frustrating for him to be to not be making it, though, knowing that he was writing something so personal and so real and not be accepted as a performer and not be getting a recording contract.

F39 I suppose that that had to be quite different because we had never had a problem being accepted.

F16 Our whole lives.

F4 We were always accepted and people were so happy to have to hear him sing and hear me play the piano and hear us perform together or separately. And then when he went into a situation where he was trying to sell himself. It was different. I think that's a different thing. So when you just came to the conclusion, maybe when it was when he came back to Texas and just started playing music the way he felt it, and and then he became accepted and this area here, this community, and then seems to have grown. This acceptance is grown.

M3 It's amazing for me to think, seeing how much music in his blood right now. It's amazing to think that at one point he hung it all up and became a hog farmer in Nashville.

M16 What do you think he was feeling the. To point.

F3 Probably trying to fit in some in a community of Nashville community because he's he really wants to fit in and he will comply with whatever someone wants him to do. If if someone asks him to sing something, he'll sang it are. He goes along with their ideas of people, if he feels that that's what they want him to do and that's what I think he's supposed to do, in a way, he's supposed to perform it. So he was he was not a rebel like that.

F4 So he tried to do things the way they wanted him to do.

M3 And then it seems like. When he made the decision to come back, I mean, I've seen the old video clips. It's incredible short hair and the bow ties, just not him. You know, it was him at the time, just so much not who he is now. And it seemed like when he came back to Texas, they started to let his hair down, literally.

F6 He did just let his hair down. That's really the way it really was.

F4 And he became who he always had been. He he always was a free person, just a free soul and. And our grandmother did not put demands on us.

F7 So he was allowed to not she would have to encourage him to go get his haircut when he was growing up because he never did enjoy doing that. He kind of liked his hair a little longer and just didn't like to go through the ritual of. All that grooming sometimes.

F1 And so he was allowed to do that when he came back and just became himself again for the first place and came back to Nashville.

F8 He came back to Bandera, which is close to San Antonio, and. He and his musicians, he was working with his dad to play. Started living at this country club, it was a country club there and and a golf course and. So he lived there for a while. I don't remember exactly how long, but a short while and then he came here. And when he came here, then that was when he saw the Armadillo World Headquarters that opened and was going strong, so. And that's about the time that you step back into the picture. That's it right there. I moved back from Nashville a short while after he after he came back, came back. And now. My youngest son, Freddie, came back with well and live with him in Bandera and went to school there until I came back. I had Michael, my son was in school at Osteopathy and and in Tennessee.

F11 And now my oldest son, Randy, had already come back to Texas before Willie did and.

F8 So Austin was where Randy, my oldest son, wanted to come to. So that's how we all ended up back in Austin because Randy came back to Austin. We had left here and Randy was in love with. Was Phyllis his? Sweetheart, since they were 15 years old, so. He decided he had to come back to be with her. So Randy came back to Texas first and then when will house burned and all of those things in Nashville went wrong? Well, he came back and Freddie came back with Willie. So I came back very soon, moved back into Austin and started working around hotels and worked for, like white resorts for a long, long time.

F13 Well, it was a combination of cry out there. Actually, I think the armed vote was more of a hippy crowd and we had been playing at country places and.

F2 So when when Willy went to the armadillo, what it was, of course, a different, totally different crowd, and they those kids loved him so much and accepted his music so much because he was a very energetic musician and not just general, you know, playing totally country music and. So we had the people that had been coming to the country nightclub's come to the armadillo world and it just merged the the community just merge together and the music became different.

F1 And we started playing more rock and roll, which maybe are the way we always used to play with just that way. And.

F2 It was a very energetic time.

F17 OK, you doing OK, baby? OK.

F18 Bless you, Charlie, bless you.

F13 Yeah, he's got these terrible allergies, so.

F18 He's going to be 14 very soon. So he's.

F19 Loeffler. He was such a super active little guy when when he first came into this world and we had him, he slowed down a lot.

F2 Bless you, Charlie, legal status know he has it's just like a person with a sneeze and I say, what else?

F31 I don't think all that we're about to say for.

F22 OK. That's right. He's allergic just like we are to, you know, the pollen and things and. Let's look at what this is. This is very good.

M5 I'm enjoying this. How did you and we develop here your working together style and playing together style?

F13 Well, we started we learn to play music together.

F1 Actually, I started learning the piano, of course, a little bit earlier than he started playing music because I was older and I was ready to play the piano. So my grandfather insisted that my grandmother start teaching me and that was what their life was about, this music. My grandfather was a blacksmith and an. But is there real love, my grandmother and grandfather always they spent all their time when we were home, like in the evenings, they were learning their music and I would get instruction, all things from through the mail. So they studied. They were still studying music and music and composition because they wrote music and and it was gospel music that they were into that. And then things more like a bluegrass know. My grandmother's father was a singing school instructor in Arkansas. So it was one of those things that I lived with music and music was just their way of life. And so when I got the piano and my grandfather was saying my grandmother would sing and we would do gospel music. And of course, while he was singing, I don't remember him not singing the songs that he was always singing. Because he was sitting in church long before we ever started school. So it was a way of life that we had and when I started learning the piano, then very soon after that, my grandmother had to really sit with me and she would sing the melody of a song. And my grandfather and my grandmother had taught him some cards on the guitar, a few cards he was learning so she would have me play the card on the piano and he would play the card on the guitar. She would sing the melody and then she'd play with me. And that's why we started playing our music together. And I was able to read some I had learned a little. And the music that I had mostly learned was music from the hymnbook and. She was singing a great speckled bird was the first thing I remember us learning, she would sing this song and we would play with her and that got us started on this adventure. Not only did I just play the piano, well, I could play the guitar with me and then he would sing and I would sing and my grandmother would sing and my grandfather.

M5 How did it turn out that you know how to read and write music? Excuse me?

F1 Well, that's why I learned to play the piano was learning, I learned to read first my grandmother, not the Himba, the day that I was supposed to start learning, I didn't have any music.

F16 She had no music to teach me.

F23 So the only music we had was the music that they were singing from the hymn books and the gospel music books.

F16 And so she opened this up and showed me how to read.

F23 I wrote it, wrote it down, and I wrote out how you read music. And then she put the music in front of me and taught me to play from the handbook. So I learned to play by reading the music.

F16 So when I started playing with my grandmother, just singing and I didn't have music to this song, so she said, just play these cards. So I learned how to play also without the music.

M7 Why do you think really never learn to read or write?

F24 You think you always knew that you were going to be you have the skills and so well and what he was doing, my grandmother and my grandfather would be is just making coffee.

F26 I think I'm Charlie.

F14 That's the coffee machine. It's almost there. Is he over there with you all?

F25 He knows that I love that he seems to be to chew on his leg when he gets his allergies and almost makes it sensitive. Why are you doing it?

F24 Well, it didn't have to learn to read music to be able to play the cards on the guitar. And he knew well enough about how to read music that he could follow, like in the Himba to sing the song. And his ears are so good.

F3 Maybe they always were because he always knew the song perfect. He can learn a song and it's going to be perfect. It's not going to be wrong. If he hears it right, he will learn it right.

F27 So he didn't have to learn to read music because I knew how to read and I could play it. And he listened to it and he didn't have to learn to read. I needed to learn to read to be able to learn to play the piano.

F16 So it was just a natural thing that I went through learning music, and my grandmother always was teaching other children and other adults, too, you know, mostly singing classes and.

F5 So music. Theory was something I learned from Tom, I was very.

M8 How do you guys work together now? With him not reading and not writing.

F16 Well, he plays so well now that he plays so well without knowing how to read, he can know how to read some. He can follow music well enough, I think, to know that how this goes. And he learned to read by shape. Now, that was the way that actually my grandmother and grandfather read music was Fashi notes, so their books would be with sharp notes.

F27 And which enables them not to matter which Kether and they just were able to read music that way, but they wanted me, my grandmother realized that I needed to learn how to read music otherwise also.

F16 So.

F7 When Willie and I play together. If I need to read them something, I can, I can, if it's something that we're learning with music, I can read it, I can play it, and then he plays it. And if it's something we're listening to, like the music riots or something, we're just listening on the radio or to our record, because when we were young, we listened to the radio a lot and we learned all of the music that we learned by listening to. And listening to the Grand Ole Opry and different music that we listen to and some things we had music for after I was old enough to start really reading music and we could get a songbook in our piece of music and learn. Is that why? But he has never needed to know how to read.

M7 So what happens if he if he's got a song in his head, how does he get it from his head to paper to give to everyone he thinks?

F7 I mean, you wrote that we just play it. He sang the melody and sings the song and whatever, he's going to put it in and I'll listen to him.

F3 And listen to him the way he sings that song. So that I won't play it another way than what he intended it today. That's at least my desires to play the music that he raps, the way he writes it.

M7 So what do you what do you see your role in the van being moral?

F5 Are you there to support. We're there to. Play with Willie.

F3 And when he every when he hits Whiskey River is what we usually start with it. We're doing a concert or whatever we start with. But when he hits the song, well, then my desire is to play with him. The way that he has that he feels the song at this time.

F5 And I feel that if I give him what he needs.

F3 And what I do on the piano, I hope, will somehow help the other guys that are playing with us. We all.

F5 Put it down together. Behindhand.

M7 So everybody's job is just kind of to a system.

F3 Our job is is for him to be able to go to that front, Mike, and perform and have us behind him and listening to him and go with him whichever direction he goes to go with him.

F12 Are you happy having that role? I love it. What do you love? I love playing with Willie. I would hope so. It's been it's been a while now.

F32 It has been and well has been a few years since, you know, that I had played with him because we played together always until I guess 1955.

F33 Then when we had our band and had played all of those years doing just playing together.

F1 And then we had a band and played a few years together there. And then life circumstances changed things a level there.

F44 And we were not playing together for a few years. And in the meantime, he had written some a lot of music that I hadn't played with him and I wanted to learn his music from him.

F33 Not by what someone writes down are in the way that someone else, is this music supposed to go? I wanted to learn to play with really his music. So that's what I'm still doing.

M10 And like to be a pretty good life.

F1 And he's written enough music, I would I would never have to go to the music store to buy music, to learn a new song anymore, but of course I do that, but.

F33 He just keeps writing new music. He's writing now he's in the middle of another creativity. Has he been riding on the bus? I don't know anything about it yet. It's. But he's there, he goes into these creative things and. And he's very creative again.

M4 You sure he's not just writing down dirty jokes?

F1 I don't know. He might very well. Have you read the book? Yes, I have read that book.

F34 I was lucky enough to be there and watch him write this book. He spent all of his time, all of his free time with this pad writing. What I call the facts of life and other dirty jokes.

F22 It's a big, big, dirty joke, and I think what this is actually is the wise it really is.

F34 No matter what happens in our lives.

F1 Things that we know are very serious and can be very painful, even you can. Sometimes make joke of the worst things and.

F9 This his healthy attitude. Yeah, making a joke out of things that. Could otherwise be very painful.

F19 I keeping you from coffee. Would you like a cup of coffee with anyone? I sure you're going to do for.

M5 I got some really old a song that he played last night, I think the second to last song. The second to last song last night, they tell me, they tell me I'm drinking to tell me I've been drinking too much or something. I've got to get drunk, got to get drunk.

M11 And I sure do dread it. There's a lot more drugs than there are all doctors. So I'll have another. Oh, no, that's not it.

M5 This was the second you came back. It was not my favorite stuff. I really do like what he's not playing any really new any new stuff.

F13 We recently for the great guy, a great divide. The Great Divide is the last song that he has written. Yeah, I love that. I love that song, too.

M5 Every time I hear it's got new meaning, doesn't it.

F19 Take cream and sugar. We haven't, so I haven't. I'm kind of go ahead and write this to you guys got started with here. It's very good. You're very welcome. What about the large scale, but the.

F22 This is the end, and it's something about to pick up the tempo.

F31 Yeah, pick up the tempo. That's what the song is about.

F22 I like that, too. I know that is a meaningful song when you listen to to pick up the tempo.

F10 You would think maybe when he talks about the drummer, the singer not singing and the drummers drag in too long, that has more meaning than the singer and the drummer of a band.

F36 It could be so deep what he's saying there.

F9 And when you think about it.

F34 I'm with Jackie King, he just decided to get another gig and took off and he booked himself out this weekend, I guess he's out the door.

M12 OK, ok, ok, ok, ok, ok, ok, OK, there is yeah, I was not going to make you I will burst out the door.

F13 Well, you know, we love to play with Jackie. I love to play with Jackie. Really last Elastoplast. Jackie, that's mostly.

F19 But sometimes, you know, when you play in a band you've got to you've got to play with others, you know, like what I was saying about what our job is behind Willie and our job is to climb on top of the world. And he doesn't yet know how to do that. He's a good musician. He has the capability, you know, mechanically to play a guitar. And there's things that are really kind of miss when he's after getting used to him, you know that. But you've got to play with others. You've got to play with the band that you're playing with and mainly with us. You got to play with Willie and.

M12 But not that I particularly like Jackie. In fact, I think he kind of never knew who I was and yet must have spent a couple hours with him and they were in L.A. at this bookstore and he asked me if I get him some CDs of the new album and boy, am I going to get this right from Ireland. That's kind of typical there of six months. It's not that I'm not recognizable for. You just bizarre is one of those plain looking guys fit into a crowd. But the disappointing thing is I was hoping he was going to be able to talk about. Well, it was kind of eloquent speaking about all of these back praising Ajasin points. Can you talk about that at all? I think.

M5 I'm sorry, I was going to be I think he was going to be good talking about really bad phrasing style and his Chasidic once the Django.

M4 How Jangles kind of infused himself into style.

F32 Willie is like a jazz musician.

F37 He's always admired the qualities of great musicianship. And that probably was another thing, you know, with Nashville, you know, because Willie was he'd been used to playing with some pretty. Good players already and. He'd been working. With Paul Buskirk in Houston, you know, and he was. He was already into more music than just country, we grew up with more music than jazz, country and. He loves the guitar and he had always been into. Segovia and a lot of really great guitars, and I think I always admired flamenco and. Jazz and classical guitar. He's just fallen in love with Django and all of his music. He's got this great spirit of, like improvisation or something you very rarely see. Oh, he he does a.

F39 Music is something with us that.

F37 It's not. Not the thing that it seems to be, you know, with maybe most people that play music. Music is our way of life to our grandmother and a grandfather. It was their way of life, although they didn't make a living doing music. They spent their lives doing because I just loved the music and were always learning music.

F38 And that is what inspired us, I suppose, from our.

F37 All of our lives, we watched them learning music and writing music and always learning the new songs, anything that new came out in the gospel field while they were into it.

F38 So music is music, it's not. All of the other things that go with commercialism.

F37 And of course, not that that you have to do some of that, but. The main thing is to music.

M7 Well, you've only been married once.

F6 I've been married a few times, actually, I was married. I'm married also very now married when I was 16 and actually graduated from high school after I was married because I met Bud Bud Fletcher and I was planning a revival meeting. I used to do that while I was in high school and.

F29 I play revival's with evangelist's, and so he came to. Meet me and and at a church service and. I met him in April and married him in August. He was my first love and a true love of my life. And now. I was married for three years before I had children and I had three wonderful sons with him. And he organized the band after he we met well, he loved really so much and he was older than us, so. He took us with him to the hockey talks and we started playing. Music and all of the honky tonks around West.

F41 Hale County.

F29 Oh, they are this wonderful. And that's what we really had a good band and. Started playing our music. Onstage with a band. So we learn everything we already knew, you know, all the things we'd already learned as children and and then we'd learn all the things that came out, all the new things that was on the jukeboxes. And it's just a constant learning process that we are still doing.

M7 I didn't realize you'd gotten married. You've been remarried after the.

F5 He was killed, and that is why. They took a different turn back there and. He was killed in a car accident. And my children were very young.

M13 So.

F3 The things that you have to do sometimes to make a living life, but always was in music.

F29 And. Studied hard and went to Fort Worth and and started to study argan. And I worked with him in art and studios for about 10 years. Learned a lot of things that have some nice instructors, wonderful. Very wonderful teachers that I was lucky enough to be able to study last while I was there, so it was terrible not being able to play with Willie during that time, but that's when he went to be with my mother and Oregon and moved around. So he was playing on his own. And I was working on my.

F41 And.

F42 We both learn to stand, I suppose, along and I think we all did a lot of soul searching are still doing that now.

M14 Keep it oh, I'm enjoying just talking to.

M5 Start cooking in here the minute that the oven still going, so you're still hoping going to show up on Pelamis, go to the archives.

F1 He probably is going to wait until for us to be able to talk. He wanted me to be able to talk. Yeah, probably. He might still come in a little of the other think that we're here.

F34 You know what, we're here now. That was my my daughter in law, so I don't know if really I was with her here and I know it was Lisa. Have you met Lisa and Freddy? Do you make Freddy sister in law that way? That law?

M14 I was trying to remember. Some saying Sasayama.

F44 And I think I did cover a little bit of the how we feel really about music and how we learn to fly and our reasons for learning to fly music were just we wanted to learn to play music.

F34 And our grandmother and grandfather, we wanted to join in with them and I wanted to be able to play my grandfather wanted me to be able to play the piano and so that I could sing.

F43 And to learn to play the piano for the church, and this was.

F44 I suppose as far as our thoughts and their thoughts were, maybe with the music, it was our thoughts at least, and of course, in turn to the music is such a spiritual part of being in a church service. And the music was one of the main things of the church is the way we grew up, because all everyone was singing the words to these hymns and it was being in prayerful state when you're singing these words. And that's what most of the music we played was for our early life, was all of this music. So music was a meaningful thing. And it's still very meaningful to us, as you can probably tell sometimes in this concert, it gets very emotional onstage.

F43 He gets very emotional when he's.

F44 Sang you some songs. Every night he goes through all of these emotions of all of these words with these songs. And then he'll pick up the tempo after we've gone into this very emotional state.

M14 So that boogie woogie will come on from blue eyes, cryin in the rain to. Under the double eagle, just.

F1 Oh, sometimes I'm very glad to play under the Double Eagle after we've gotten so emotional. I was crying in the rain.

M15 Do you think I don't know about how you feel about it, but you think, well, he feels a tug between being on the road and having a family. Your dad is a very real thing.

F2 And it's very difficult to try to explain how the emotions of that I can understand my own emotions with it, so I feel that I can sort of understand some of his emotion.

F36 The love and the strong desire that you have to do what we do, and it seems that it's so important. To go do it. And sometimes you have to go in with a very heavy heart, sometimes when you have to leave a family situation. When it comes time to go, you have to go do it. And the emotions of having to be away from your loved ones and go and do something that you know, that we must go do this and it's almost unexplainable why, you know, you have to go do it, but, you know, you have to go.

M15 What do if they really can't? What effect do you think that had on really healthy balance, the two and.

F22 Well, it is cause, you know, sometimes it always, I think, causes some emotional disturbance between people when they are not together, and to understand why why Willie has to go and do this, I suppose for children, it would be very difficult to not understand how he has to leave them, especially our young child, how he has to go when they had much rather stay home with them. As they get older, they can start to understand a little bit maybe. I know my little granddaughter is so understanding, I can't believe that this little girl can be so understanding because it bothers me to think that she's growing up in front of my eyes and I have not been with her a whole lot.

F10 I come in, I see her, and but to do all of the things, you know, that a grandmother is expected to do, I think with a granddaughter. And she's so understanding. And seems to not she does not seem to have ill feelings to me for me, because I've not been there for some of her things that she would love to me be there for.

M5 I think there's a big difference there because grandparents are kind of the frosting on the cake.

F10 And I think that's true on sugar. But when it's your own child that you might be a little more resentful for your own mother or your own father not being there because she does have her own mother and father with her.

F45 So it's very difficult to raise children and be gone. And Willie has done that and he's done it very well. Mostly his children have. Been very supportive. I think the young the older children didn't seem to. I didn't have my visa, a lot of nurturing that I needed and hopefully there are younger children now do have the dark that I need with him not being there always.

F29 But he goes to be with his children all that he can, his grandchildren, he still spends much of his time with them all the time that he can take some with him on the road, those that will go and can spend a lot of time. What do you know about his relationship with the two boys, his younger sons is very good.

F16 They love him and he loves them very much. And I think this is a very healthy relationship that he has between he and his two young sons.

M8 But they don't let.

F29 I live in Texas that I hear some are here, some, but they're in school now and so.

F16 When he gets a break from tomorrow, he goes to Maui and somehow that seems to be working very well.

F30 So you're going to see much of them, I guess.

F7 He could say, I'm a little more if I were in school here, he could see them more often, be with them more. But now I see such a grand place for children to grow up that I suppose that's. A good way to look at it, they are they're almost in a situation similar to Albert. Abbott was such a wonderful, wonderful place for us to grow a. I guess it's been our desire maybe to see our children grow up in that situation, even physically, to go to our and move you, you can think about that to raise your children there. You don't have as many distractions. As you do at a base, your place. And that is actually the way we did our music so well, that's because we didn't have a lot of other things to do. So we spent our lives learning music.

M7 That's my thinking about it, and I will use to say that he wanted to retire when he was 50, then he got to be 50 and decided he would go till 60. And now he's still going and not really ever apply to retire. But it's amazing that at age 60 or whatever he was, he decided to have kids again.

M13 How old are his boys are?

F6 Thirteen and almost 12, the youngest will be 12 soon this next month.

F30 He was 55.

F3 They're almost they're almost grown.

F30 Yeah.

M7 How many shows do you guys do a year and for how many years have you done the.

F3 Well, we were I think this year we're going to work most of the time and.

F39 After the redheaded stranger, we started working a lot.

F29 And we have kept that pace pretty good. Until the artists saying and of course. That was a total halt there for a while, but.

F6 And with this new record and everything, even before the new record, we were. Really working a lot and large, wonderful crowds. And now it's we have a new audience, this is a younger audience, plus we have all of our old audience. So it's really wonderful. It's really energizing to see these young kids. And how they truly love they really love the music.

M7 Oh, nothing like increased demand to make you want to meet the spy watching these kids.

F39 If you look out into the audience just in front of the bandstand, they're singing with him. They know the words to the songs and.

M7 So that always surprises me, surprises me to see the hot 18 year old girls that want to sleep with him.

F40 I know I have to drag them off from the front of the front of an.

M7 Do you think playing that many shows a year makes it hard on relationships? I think Judy said something like there's probably been like 75 ex-wives or something in the band.

F3 I think that it's almost impossible, you might say, to maintain a long relationship when you spend your life at away.

F6 Traveling. And you just come in little small periods of your time and.

F40 Honey, I'm home and expect the arms to be open and welcome you and and. I've been lonely a long time.

Bobbie Nelson
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