Speaker 1 Oh, Ted felt he had to give back and he's shown it to us, but actually he. I don't know if this is of interest when Joe died. Somehow we got a private plane and Ted Williams got a call from President Bush. He said, I want to fly you and my boys out to California, to Joe General. So Chad was very cute. He calls around and we got home on the TV, the radio, telephone. I speak English, Sophon. And it was queeny. Where are you calling? Where are you, John? And he couldn't find us because we were out there. But he was still was highly respected, too. And Ted was one of them. They turn to I don't remember what they did for his funeral. I wasn't a big one.

Speaker 2 The well, before we get to that, the I'm so struck by you because you're the only the first person who was described it this way as Ted having an inferiority complex in late in life. After all he'd accomplished, he still felt insecure.

Speaker 1 I don't know. We were down and Winterhaven doing charcoals, they're not all sitting, having drinks Chinchorro and that he and my son together and I've spent about a half hour telling him he'd done so much whole volunteers twice for a war who does so much to make baseball game an important sport. It faded for a while now. The black boys are on there and it's coming back I think. Am I right.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So everybody, it's almost like their college education, the differences our boys get off the plane, just like that next highjacker, always on the train and the young kids knock it off with their tatoos and ripped jeans, which I think is inappropriate. And if you're doing that much money and giving that much nice example of dignity, let's keep our country indignant. Fine. It's a mess now. All the anger,

Speaker 2 the the giving back idea, I mean, Ted really gave so much to the Jimmy Fund.

Speaker 1 Oh, God. That's why that's really his fund, I think.

Speaker 2 What do you mean?

Speaker 1 Well, anything you did for Jets Head went to the Jimmy Fund and I think they hold his name up as Mr. Jimmy Fund. I don't know. This is in my head. So you can't have bipeds. Oh, I talk with my hands.

Speaker 2 It's good, it's Yiddish, it's very it's Italian.

Speaker 1 All right, you keep that here.

Speaker 2 We stole it. We took it

Speaker 1 with the Jews. So we stole it from the Greeks and we stole it from the Arabs.

Speaker 2 Good stuff. What the.

Speaker 1 You want to sell for a cup of coffee?

Speaker 2 Do you need to stop? No, this is great. Are you good. I'm good. I'm good. Good. Yeah. Great. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm not taking pictures.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no. I just want to we want to make sure that we're recording the things that you've said because you knew him. You know, it's like talk to Ben Bradlee, Moundsville. These guys have written these books. They know him. But here's somebody who knew him, say he was ashamed of his Mexican heritage. I mean,

Speaker 1 he was humble about it. I choose it that way.

Speaker 2 What do you mean

Speaker 1 you didn't brag about it? If you were English in America, you bragged about.

Speaker 2 But if you're Mexican,

Speaker 1 you kept it quiet, if you you're Italian. There are different levels if you're Irish. I feel very different. My kids say to me, Grandma, there's no more class. You're such a snob. It's ridiculous. There's still I've got to say to my grandchildren, you're not married for money. You married education, kind of separating intelligence, all the basic good things. Money does not bring happiness as family. I told you about a sick group of millionaires, but they give to themselves. They never give back. I hope they know what I've said. There's only one person who might be listening and so know who I'm talking about,

Speaker 2 Cardassian, hmm.

Speaker 1 Cardassian, no. Oh, God, they appear bunch. How did they get so famous?

Speaker 2 Sextape. Well.

Speaker 1 So you're going to solve this?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, I mean, that's that's what is so fun about what we do is we just we talk and talk and talk and talk and then we take all this back and just use the parts that make sense. Make sense to make you sound good. That tell the story

Speaker 1 and make me sound good.

Speaker 2 So when. When when Ted and Don were retired, did they before Ted's final illness, did they speak often?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they was making me go back so many years. Ted retired to all the morale, and then he built that lovely house, Christl, up at Crystal Lake at one gentleman gentleman back Cellent, our beautiful house there, and had a wonderful woman he loved who took care of him. Ted had been married twice. And this woman he didn't marry. She adored him and took care of him. She probably got in his underwear. She was meticulous. And the kid young John Henry, did a lot of autographing and selling. He was here trying to follow in his father's footsteps. It was like all of the kids. It's not fair. I can't do it. Very few of them do. It is of Zipkin or somebody his son is. Cal Ripken, Ripkin, oh, I was close and I'm a baseball fan, either I don't sell cable, but I heard you ask

Speaker 2 me just how often Damon and Ted spoke.

Speaker 1 They would talk and we would go. So I would visit him at his house. And the thing that would help to see a lot of Ted was his museum, as anybody talked to you about his museum down there. Tell me about it. Oh, my God. That was the joy of his life to give back. They like to go for Ted to give back to the X ballplayers or athletes, and he would give them like a Bobby Jones award jacket. And he even gave an award to president. President. But thank you. I'm not supposed to you can cut that one.

Speaker 2 All right, he gave an award to

Speaker 1 I mean, he was an athlete, he was a sportsman. He gave awards and we'd go every year and have a great big event up at Crystal Lake. I think that's what they call it. You can get that Croxton and have a big party the night before and sell raffles. And that would go towards supporting the museum. And each guy would have their own section like John Section, show section. And I don't know whether it's still going. Clotaire is down there and I don't know whether it's keeping it going. Have you interviewed Claudia?

Speaker 2 We interviewed Claudia and the museum is definitely still going. I just haven't been yet.

Speaker 1 She's keeping it going.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 She's a good girl.

Speaker 2 So getting back to Joe and Ted, can you just compare them to, you know,

Speaker 1 they're two different people completely. Ted was not a showman. I just and aggravated with the public the way they treated him as they come off the field. I forget what had Joe, but it just got aggravated. And Joe wouldn't give anybody the satisfaction of letting him know how he felt he was hurt with himself. Very silent person. Maybe that runs in the family, I don't know. John was a quiet person, but not the same type of struggle. But when Joe was married, when he came to a job, when he was in trouble, everybody tried to make me say something mean about her. She was in trouble and I was no competition. So we got along beautifully, really well. So it was a girl who had a rough life and she was not stupid. She tried very hard to educate herself and he adored her. And that book is a terrible way to say that marriage went.

Speaker 2 That's not it, we don't we're not concerned with that, but I'm interested, but oh.

Speaker 1 Well, it's not that he said that the sex was the best either one ever had that held together. It's a lousy thing to say about someone couple who were dead and famous. Who cares about your sex life and my past sex life past, believe me, 95.

Speaker 2 You made reference earlier to Ted's relationship with the fans and stuff. Was he I mean, did he flip them off when you do?

Speaker 1 Well, I wasn't always with them, so I don't know. I think he was polite. He'll sign a few. They all will sign a few autographs, but it could get in and that we could be inundated. I remember saying years ago, and I know if you come to Fenway, it was an all open screen and John would park the car. This isn't going to be facing the street. And I'd sit and wait for him. When I went and I was engaged, I went after I got married and I didn't go. And the fans will sit and stare at me. I said, John, I feel like a monkey in a cage. But to turn the car around, it gets spit and I don't give them a chance to eat their at their elbow.

Speaker 2 But when Ted was coming off the field, you were mentioning that he would he would

Speaker 1 just he would flip his hand or something to what he would do, given the finger, let's say, who would just listen?

Speaker 3 Cause just. To see

Speaker 1 sort of

Speaker 3 just.

Speaker 1 Why have you with the group from just.

Speaker 2 Do you want to get

Speaker 1 me to say. Why aren't you at the bridge game tonight?

Speaker 3 I couldn't get a partner and I tried.

Speaker 1 Well, how the hell could you dance your feet off? I've got two handsome young men here I'm interviewing about Ted Williams. That's why I'm not there. I'm not sick.

Speaker 3 Oh, good for you. So you've still got your grandsons with you. Good.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, they're gone. Thank God they're neat. Next Sunday. I was just. They froze my butt off.

Speaker 3 Oh, dear. Oh, well. Oh, well, I had a good time dancing the other night.

Speaker 1 Oh, you have a wonderful time. Let me talk to one of these gentlemen. Leave.

Speaker 3 OK, I'll see you later, OK. Sitting in front of the fire

Speaker 1 now I've got the heat on. They're probably going to perspire, but that's their problem.

Speaker 2 OK, yeah. Bye bye. Bye.

Speaker 1 This woman's idea to dance and you people don't dance to just shake and bend.

Speaker 2 I can hold my own charge. After the interview, you and I will cut the rug at the rug. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 I got off for a minute and I was afraid I have a hot topic.

Speaker 2 I just want to make sure I do. You want to look at your notes and see if there are things that you want to say to me and said.

Speaker 1 I glanced at very one on terrorism costs today. Can you read my right eye?

Speaker 2 Can you send the museum?

Speaker 1 Palmer. Palmer Melford handwritten notes. Looking for what? Are you dying of the heat.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. So the museum may be able to show off other players in the. Oh, we have not talked about his children, how he adored his children, how he helped kill Henry.

Speaker 1 Cedula here. I can only see how when I had shingles on the other side, an artificial cornea. I've been lucky. Thank you, John.

Speaker 2 So, yeah. So his his children tell me about what he felt for Claudia.

Speaker 1 Oh, he adored John Henry. That was the apple of his eye. He spent a fortune. He bought him his own private batting cage. And we were leaving him some of the last time we were heading home. So last time we saw him alive, he made John go out and watch some of them on my left. Johnson, the kid doesn't have it, but he was trying to get in. He did get into a minor league for a while. And John Henry. I think I appreciate that. I don't know, but he also was the one that made him go into the phrase, why do you call it work breakfast one morning, the morning we were leaving? And he said, what do you believe anyway about having your body frozen? I'm coming back in 50 years. I said, yes. He said, well, you know, you'll be reincarnated your DNA. I called my father, spoke to one of a lung specialist. He said, when you go, the DNA goes. Bengel and one of Ted's friends, one of them, one of his friends, an undertaker, went out west forever. He's hanging and they try to get him. And they were about to get in, but they blew it. They open their mouths by mistake and they wouldn't let them in. So I don't think that one I think it's just.

Speaker 2 So Ted spoke to you about it. He said, what do you think about,

Speaker 1 you know, he was sitting beside me at that point. He was so sick, he was eating some food and there was falling food and throw him. John Yennora was sitting over here, OK? I was meticulous. If you had long hair, you could not come to the table tucking that hair under a hat. I can't stand I couldn't be a hairdresser, could you? Everybody's hair was very meticulous. These guys were the cleanest man I've ever known. I didn't know many men this way anyhow. I think is fine. Great. Remarkably cut that one getting back to Chad so he could do all the sun and the sun gel cap otherwise, which had one to all the graphic stuff I think he used to use to bother me. I don't want that.

Speaker 2 But so who was it who asked about you about the freezing was a terror, John Henry

Speaker 1 said again,

Speaker 2 who asked you about

Speaker 1 the freezing? John Henry to my left of Barack and Love together all around the breakfast. Oh, God. He hired a very expensive chef, John Henry, through this father beautifully. He really did. Nurses around the clock, every machine you could think of. I practically have every machine here for John. People said you haven't gotten I haven't even gotten rid of his uniforms. Everything's up there. I open the closet pallet in the air, or sometimes I just can't. That's being a child. I Jewish, which is a family, family, family.

Speaker 2 Did Ted feel that way, too, I mean, about John Henry and Claudia?

Speaker 1 Oh, yes. Mexican family. You English background. What do you think, just old

Speaker 2 Irish, huh?

Speaker 1 Irish, right? Oh, that's family.

Speaker 2 Irish and French.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of French. France. I know. Good. Because I don't ever.

Speaker 2 And and now. OK, so

Speaker 1 Johnny had he had Bobby Jo, who turned out because of the song so young as not to be very successful in life. I think she's doing OK now. We can't have them all success. Do you have kids. I do. How many do you have to. So one does better than the other. Do you have kids? This one. Keep it that way. And then these fools who get these puppy dogs at my age that they fall over and I have to go home and has to go out. We have to go out and do this kind of a stupid you have your kids and get room and just say come for a weekend. So but you're always there for them.

Speaker 2 So, Bobby, he had he actually had three marriages before. He had Louise, who was the woman you were mentioning, two marriages.

Speaker 1 He was married to the first girl jar's. Yeah, I lived in Newton. I know what you will know that. And then he had the fancy model who's still alive and she comes to the parties of the tent freezing cold. Billy Dressel for a C on the rest of us were bundle up.

Speaker 2 What was Dorice like?

Speaker 1 Just a gal, pleasant girl. Oh, I said no. Well, I didn't know she was of our girl stroke, but she was separate. He lives separately. He was not a socializr because I think he had the schoolbooks or he concentrated so on. He really studied his game. He was a master. It was a beauty to watch you ever see pictures of the. No, he really was.

Speaker 2 OK. I've learned this from Ken Burns. I learned this from Ken Burns, my first job in film. I worked for Ken Burns and I used to watch him when he would be talking to someone and they would be talking and he would just sit there, be nodding like a moron. And but what it does is it keeps the other person engaged and you don't I don't speak. And then if there's a silence, you'll feel that silence, which is all that I care about. So sometimes it can be uncomfortable and people will look at me like, why are you nodding at me? I had an interviewer, one interviewee once I was interviewing someone for a show for Court TV, and he finally stopped in the Middle East. Stop nodding at me like that.

Speaker 1 So I'm making him nervous.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So Bobbie Jo was did you know her at all?

Speaker 1 No. It was a solemn in fact, the terrible thing was Tom and I were visiting and said if his fishing hours came up, he was off fishing, so he wasn't home. So we spent the evening with Bobby Jo and Jar's and I was smoking a cigarette. And I want to flatten out the ashes. And I hit the kid's head. Oh, my God. She screamed and yelled and I almost fainted. I thought I burned her hair off. I didn't. That's my memory of Bobby Jo. And I never saw her after. I only saw that once. And she had her troubles because I think of the divorce in those days, the kids didn't have psychiatrists to help them through those. I play birds for the psychiatrist. Well, the them Mastro and McClaine sale door, the worst damn bridge play I've ever seen. She analyzes the cars for four or five minutes ago. Come on, Mary. Big move. They're all over then. She didn't get a partner and my great.

Speaker 2 Do you know Claudia at all?

Speaker 1 Vaguely. Not a great deal. But I had my she lived in Europe was a Sweden.

Speaker 2 Switzerland I think

Speaker 1 began with a.. Can't knock that one. You know, she was very athletic. Yeah. I don't know whether she was a runner or what, but I think she married to the man she's living with. Yes. It shows house. I don't think so. It's it's hard to say. But she also believes in that Krajisnik isn't called. Yeah, not bad for an old broad,

Speaker 2 do you believe in it?

Speaker 1 Oh, God, no, I don't even like cremation. I'll tell you, one of our best friends in Boston, the Waterman family. I had cremated two wives and I said, Frank, how about you? He said, never. I said, why didn't you tell them? He said, because they want to that I don't know what they did because he was straight. He didn't want to die. I think they got rid of them in a hurry. No, I'm going to leave this case. And the case has served me well. And the most important thing is the spirit that makes me are you goes out that window. I say here often I've had a pain down almost here on a bed with nurses around the clock, have a terrible time breathing. But he was home and I went to bed. They said, oh, it'll just be he's not going to leave us for a few days. And that night at one o'clock, my son Paul came out and said, Dad's gone. What a difference. I'll never forget the corpse. So when the spirit goes, this is just a case and we Catholics are taught you can burn if you go to hell. So I want to burn. I just want to rock. OK, well, your religion, they're just beginning to allow. Cremation, they already and. Yeah, just begging that don't have a lot of tattoos. I can't. Don't tell me you two have tattoos.

Speaker 2 I don't have a tattoo. He might I can't speak to him.

Speaker 1 And that's a different class of person emotionally of. Complete idiot has to her.

Speaker 2 So the prejudice thing is interesting, I don't know if I prejudice what

Speaker 1 you say, my

Speaker 2 presence. Oh, no, no, no. The whole idea of prejudice and being worried that people will not like you if you're Mexican, so you keep your Mexican heritage hidden. Do you think that's what it was?

Speaker 1 I think so. What else could it be? Who was superb and his knowledge of baseball? He could see the stitching on a ball. That was his life. And he lived a very healthy life. Ate well, slept well. Exercise.

Speaker 2 When he was playing, do you think he had an inferiority complex or do you think it was just after when he was complaining to Don?

Speaker 1 No, I think it was there all the time. Because we know my Garciaparra came as the first time you got any clue there was anything but English background Williams from San Diego. I don't know. Person's interview is Bierbaum, his friend from San Diego who helped finance him to. Have you heard of him? Yes.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Have you spoken to him? No.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure if he's still around.

Speaker 1 Oh. You know, everybody I know is dead. She's young, she's 88.

Speaker 2 When Ted was finally inducted into the Hall of Fame into the Baseball Hall of Fame. Did you go to that?

Speaker 1 I've never been up there because I'm a bullshit excuse. My French and his brother Joe in the book says that John was not a Hall of Fame material. I would watch horrible things to say. This is that joke. I don't think I would ever have said that. He said he wasn't a great ballplayer if he had been. And they tell me I found if he had been in New York, he wouldn't have those skills to run. He was like a gazelle. My kids never saw him, but I have films. He was absolutely fabulous, very light footed. And, you know, I just say to him, I said, why? And he said, try to get him a few other people. Well, he gave up three years. And this is a joke. One guy hits a home run. Everyone's a World Series. He's in the Hall of Fame. I hope it is asking. A little interest, but getting back to John, I said, John, unless I ever put you in after you pass away posthumously, I said, I will not accept it as most other kids don't need it. And you're not here to enjoy it. But it will never happen.

Speaker 2 Well, it may happen, but I was

Speaker 1 how

Speaker 2 because with the increased study on statistics and everything, I've always felt like, damn, if his lifetime batting average had been two points higher, he'd be in.

Speaker 1 But he also has a record that hasn't been broken in Boston. Continuous hitting record lows hasn't been broken, hasn't?

Speaker 2 No, no. When Ted was inducted, though, he spoke about the Negro League players and said that they should be allowed in the Hall of Fame also.

Speaker 1 Well, that's fine.

Speaker 2 So, yeah,

Speaker 1 I think it was just I listen to my annual we took too long after the Civil War to give them an education. They need education and family, not high school and college, baby. And nothing can try to.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so we've covered everything you had written on this sheet. Can I just check and make sure it's helpful? Totally helpful. I just want to make sure we've covered everything on this sheet. Yes. Mother and Salvation Army giving to others. Unkles Yep. Oh, well. So this is a word you didn't use ego, did he have much of an ego hotel?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm sure he did. I'm sure he knew it was good. You can know you're good. I have an ego. No, I'm good. But I'm a rotten golfer, so I have haven't I'm very, very complex about that. But I have an ego, I'm vain or I will look like this and drive young women who think you look like that 90 years old and a four and five in November want to make it not even having a party. I'm going out to dinner with our millionaire husband quietly in Palm Beach. Drink the best champagne. I have a hangover,

Speaker 2 but Ted had an ego.

Speaker 1 You say you had to. You think an ego helps you build and work to be the best of what you have. But when it comes to the nationality and the education, that stuff he did not have. Am I saying that correctly? Well, so do you mean

Speaker 2 he felt like he was. Was he ashamed when you use that word? Was he ashamed of his background?

Speaker 1 I don't like to use the word. He was afraid to be that because he was so it wasn't shameful of the people, it was that they weren't respected. So if you kept it quiet, you didn't have a problem. I can't. Can you call? I can call it a shame. He hit a. Because when the Italians first came over, other Jewish and the Irish, the Germans, I don't know how they're so goddamn smart, those bastards and the Japs, they're the brains of the world. They really are. The Greeks are disappointment. Have you been to Greece? The culture went downhill. There's nothing there. I don't understand them. They have us and those Arabs who run in the sand. They're smart. And I will. Fassl of the Pompon. What are we going to do with him?

Speaker 2 Who's the fatso with North Korea?

Speaker 1 Isn't that a party when he goes on every morning that we've gone through with him? We can't sell a walk because I have grandsons.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so what? All right, for another generation, how do you feel? What are we do we tell Trump when I voted for him, I know him and I shut his mouth. His ego is terrible. He cannot listen. He's a bright man, but he cannot listen, and the other one, that woman so complete was being bitch. One of my girlfriends, son brother in laws, was her Secret Service. Most stories I tell, I can't stand. And then that communists from New Hampshire, if he got free college tuition, I want nine prep schools and nine college moneybag going to put in the box with him. Because, as said, was wonderfully educated on our six grandchildren, six grandchild, the best private schools, the best colleges, and I want that money back.

Speaker 2 So, Ted, let's just talk about forget the Mexican thing, the education, you think that

Speaker 1 that bothers him?

Speaker 2 What? We're not gonna hear my voice. What we're because we're not going to hear my voice. Can you say his lack of education bothered him or however you want to put in your words?

Speaker 1 I think between the prejudice of his nationality, his lack of education, which he thought he could do more with his life, which was not true then academia, he just physical stuff to help this country in these wars so that his kids can have the academia. I didn't realize that's what he contributed to keep our country safe, our kids can have a wonderful life. If they deserve it, they like all the rub, my grandson Andrew misunderstanding his page, the University of Virginia. Fortunately, last week he was in Mexico City with his father. And by the time he got through, you don't know who to believe. Thank God he wasn't there. And Trump makes such stupid mistakes. I know you're all against him, I don't blame me, I'm getting that want to kick his ass.

Speaker 2 And. Oh, yeah, what about fishing? Did you ever get done with Donna fishermen?

Speaker 1 Yes, but he wouldn't fish was much. It was Bobby, your iPhone. You could get to even speak to Bobby or on the phone. If his not,

Speaker 2 you won't you won't come to

Speaker 1 he won't talk.

Speaker 2 I think it's too late to mention. No, I think it's too Yes. Dimentia. I think he they they won't put him on the phone unless

Speaker 1 one of the finest men, the finest Christians over our finest Jew. Excuse me. Whatever the hell you're Muslim, the finest people, souls you will ever mess with a saint. He was his go fishing was hell. And you should too bad you can't get the film. And they would say terrible scream and yell at him and swear like a Banshee alum, Bobby would just take their films. I don't know where you got them. Have you seen them or heard of them. Yeah. Oh, you got to say that it's a Florsheim. I thought so they go out and these little boats, Bobby was a handsome man. He had a wife who had a very bad sickness. I don't know what it was. Padgett's not had Paget's give me some of the paralyzing diseases, Brigid's

Speaker 2 no parking tickets, Parkinson's,

Speaker 1 Parkinson's, Dr. Frye had Parkinson's and he wasn't going to die. That's how Dana Farber got started. He wasn't going to I were board meeting was just a meeting and he had to go downstairs. And the building in Boston had a meet the meeting for Parkinson's. So I took his bill, which I was glad to get out. Because all your predecessors have. I'll give you 50000. I'll give you 20000. I thought I'll give you a thousand. I said, I will downstairs to meet your wife for the meeting. I get downstairs, I'm speaking to Dori. All of a sudden this couple gets out of his wheelchair and runs to the John. I said, Sure, what's he doing? She said he does that every once in a while. If he has to avoid or something, he runs. He gets us something going here. He didn't want to die. He was one of the two jobs estaba and he who found the cure for leukemia for kids. Let's not waste

Speaker 2 yet, apparently, Ted had a thing with the Jimmy Fund where he would go all the time.

Speaker 1 That was all part of all. That was just a FOB or and Dr. Fry. That's how it all started. With the kids and I got started first, my cousin's son died of leukemia and then my father had cancer in the throat. I won't let anybody examine me anymore. The will that I don't have it. I just got involved with that because of them. I think someone in the family has sort of had a failure, really, to get delicateness or.

Speaker 2 So you mentioned. You know, giving back to your family if if they deserve it.

Speaker 1 I just got off the top of my head.

Speaker 2 What's an interesting idea, though? You know, I think like it just made me think of John Henry and so many people were so nasty about John Henry.

Speaker 1 And I said, yeah. He was spoiled. His father adored him. Let's tell heaven, don't let him. And he went with only a lovely girl I almost married, but she went on to become a vet. I can't think of her name.

Speaker 2 Anita. Anita, you know.

Speaker 1 I think she loved to have you spoken to her? No, I think she's a veterinarian, so lovely little person. And John Howard, I was spoiled, but you can't hate him. He gets, you know, just like and avoid if you're just like someone, you avoid them must have hate, makes you suck. It doesn't bother them. Isn't that philosophical?

Speaker 2 It's pretty deep, very deep.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, for sure. No, it's

Speaker 2 true, though. Oh, it's very, very true. Yeah. Is there anything you want to do? If it's OK with you, let's pause here, because I have to use the restroom. I've been needing to use the restroom since before we began producing.

Speaker 1 She went to Amazon.

Speaker 2 Really? Yeah. You know Professor Tim here now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, I know. Professor Tim. Yeah. He wasn't even a spark in this. Mothers, fathers I. Are you sure you don't need something. Uh oh. Do you want a beer. You guys want a beer. When you throw me

Speaker 2 maybe when we went through I mean I'm not a beer I have to drive but

Speaker 1 where are you going after this.

Speaker 2 I drive to New York and he drives to Portland. Right. But maybe I'll have the coffee after.

Speaker 1 Do you want me to take you to Supper Club?

Speaker 2 Oh, thank you. Know, that's very kind. That's nice. You remind me of an actress, the whole time we've been talking, I've been thinking like who? If you remind me of, you know, it is Lauren Bacall. Did you get that on? No. How'd you get did you get people?

Speaker 1 General. She died, that probably was a Ellacott lighting that was class. Lauren Bacall was not class. There was I know, her family on Mar a Lago, where a person that loves

Speaker 2 Dina Merrills family, Dina Merrills family

Speaker 1 or her mother was a Post Toasties heiress, well, you get your education

Speaker 2 straight because I

Speaker 1 read constantly.

Speaker 2 So, OK, so here's here's my only my last question, you may have thought of other things you want to say about Ted, but this film is going to air on American Masters for PBS. American Masters has done over 200 episodes. They've never done a ballplayer. They've done artists and they've done scientists. Do you think it makes sense that they would do Ted Williams?

Speaker 1 I think it was one of the great players from an underdog, this was their college education of the demise of the black boys, the pink boys, the green boys, the yellow boys. This is their way of getting out of their ghettos. This was their way of going to college. This was their education. They became what gets me to come along to Florida. They'll say, are you really are you were you really? Have I said she was me? God damn. I came home and I wrote all the private schools. John had sent his kids to Jeff L. St. Marks and they went to Stanford. Paul went to Brown and went to Dartmouth. I go on and on and Columbia, Yale. And I thought all they did in Ojai, I went to boarding school as well, say it's going to cost my father eighteen hundred dollars when my daughter, once a boy, was 4000, my grandchildren go, I don't know, kids your age is sixty thousand dollars and they didn't earn a damn cent of it. They just got into the best clubs. Some of them are lucky. They got their father's jobs and the fancy stock market. A I look them. You're a Yale. Oh these guys in baseball are on their way and they had as good an education was scholastic, but it was an education for meeting people, understanding people, I think. Dom Hallor, great Mikhaila scholarship, as I said, I wouldn't take.

Speaker 2 They were smart, too.

Speaker 1 I mean, he was right. That's why we love like we do.

Speaker 2 He became a very successful businessman

Speaker 1 after in manufacturing, my Paul runs it now. Paul looks like Jimmy the Irish got the Scotsman last time, Sean Connery.

Speaker 2 Sean Connery.

Speaker 1 In old age, I got he's 66. I can't believe my baby. A little baby, I don't know how your mother how old are your boys?

Speaker 2 I'm 52 and my daughter my oldest daughter is 18.

Speaker 1 I can't believe I can't believe it either. Ten years right now, all the show,

Speaker 2 my daughter's 14. So then I'm forty one.

Speaker 1 Oh, I want to commit suicide when I was 40. Oh, I might be 40 years old, 54 year, five years behind. I can't believe. I must be here for something to meet you boys. Anything else

Speaker 2 we know? No, I think we got it. Anything else you want to say about it?

Speaker 1 Can you think about it?

Speaker 2 Well, was he more of an artist or more of a scientist?

Speaker 1 Will it be science studying the game? He was more scientific than. He studied the game, he knew everything about baseball, I don't know. He absolutely was a student of baseball. Ted was a student of baseball. That's on. He really was. Why are you smiling?

Speaker 2 Because that was so great, it made me think that you could end the whole film with that and then you're taking a sip and we'd roll the credits right over your face as you sipped the coffee. If it was a different kind of movie, we would do that. We're not doing that.

Speaker 1 I'm off air, remember, keep it in my pocket.

Speaker 2 This is so fun. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm sorry. I rode three o'clock and

Speaker 2 it didn't change our attitude at

Speaker 1 all. I was rusty on my bed, was just my sweater on my I put the scarf and the pants on, I think. And I look, I put on nice shoes for you. Aren't they cute? Very, very, very. I've gotten so I'm wearing low heels up here and I love high heels, but I'm too old.

Speaker 2 So I have two things, you know, not that I have two things for you to sign,

Speaker 1 give you permission to

Speaker 2 give me permission on one, which is just I've already filled it out with your name

Speaker 1 and we can throw those sheets out unless you want.

Speaker 2 I think we're going to auction these off. So let's go right there.

Speaker 1 I hope everybody says nice things about my Chevy.

Speaker 2 So far, everybody said pretty nice things.

Speaker 1 Those now get that box of hard mail.

Speaker 2 Which one?

Speaker 1 The General Tomarchio, but he would walk in and he really loved Marilyn. She was adorable. She really was to have another one.

Speaker 2 The other thing to sign, if you wouldn't mind me. Yeah, everybody, we're interviewing Claudia Dick Fisher, Bob Costas, all all the greats.

Speaker 1 Bob who?

Speaker 2 Bob Costas.

Speaker 1 I don't like his politics. He's on Channel five, Fox News

Speaker 2 AC Oh, I don't think so. Costus is mostly sports. I don't know that he does not

Speaker 1 watch report

Speaker 2 Bob Costas.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know the name.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he does the Olympics. He's the Olympic host. Oh, he does a lot of baseball. We got Dick Flavin. Oh, how is Jack. He's great. He was wonderful.

Speaker 1 This pen doesn't work on this, doesn't

Speaker 2 it should work, but I can give you another one if you don't want that

Speaker 1 one. This must have learned.

Speaker 2 What you don't want is the

Speaker 1 host, Jim Kloof.

Speaker 2 Jim Kott was a baseball player and has become an announcer as well.

Speaker 1 Who's this with this Anqi? Which one?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that that's Jack Fischer, he's the one who gave up the final home run, the Orioles pitcher.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the one who got into the Hall of Fame for the one.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no. That's Bill Mazeroski. I'm pretty sure that's what you're thinking about. Now, Jack Fisher gave up in Ted's final game ten hit a home run. And Jack Fisher is the man who threw the ball and threw the pitch and and was happy all these years later to discuss it.

Speaker 1 No, this. You have to bear down. This is really nuts. What the hell do I put to myself? I'll do it different, I do everything differently. You sure I can't take you someplace for a cook supper?

Speaker 2 Thank you know,

Speaker 1 we'll have some cheese and crackers for you leave that

Speaker 2 we will do

Speaker 1 for sure. Let's go in the kitchen. I put an arrow that goes to Galva. I should make someone love.

Speaker 2 It just did, right? That's great.

Speaker 1 That's not all us saying that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 So and also yesterday I was at Fenway Park. Yeah. And I met with a man who said to say hello to you, Gordon Edes, the Red Sox historian, who said he came visited you in the last year or so.

Speaker 1 He's the one that's what he said. He was sitting there and I said, Oh, Mrs. Shawki. She will whore. I said, Yeah, I did. And we had to type one. Well, she was a salesgirl. The other, Mrs. Rakti had bought an outfit from her Saks or Bloomingdale's someplace in New York, and she was going to deliver it to my apartment, which she did, made a play for them. Yorkey and that was the beginning of it. And see, I don't like to talk about prejudice gone by the group to buy the Red Sox, she said, I won't sell. So, Natalia, that your damn tramp John was one of the first channel owners of the Patriots. And I'm sorry you saw the logo, Bob Kraft, someone like

Speaker 2 what was Yawkey like? I mean, it seemed like the ballplayers were very close to Mr..

Speaker 1 He was very nice to them. I didn't know him. They kept us in abeyance. I was not in baseball life. I was only five years. I really didn't like it, and I got not quite because it took him away from us and I didn't mix with the girls because they were all baseball fans. And if I went, I went to my father's box and then I got nervous and didn't go at all. But when you think of how they play those uniforms, a subset of those wool uniforms and 90 degrees heat Tomstad to pass out and sense of fear and loss, and he said, I can't keep up. So the next year he has something wrong with us. I forget a comma and then he couldn't go to spring training to light. So that wonderful Boudreaux put that he put part in and put Peirsol, he put Peirsol and arms plays well down. Just quit. I was pregnant, so he came home. I started to buy cheap cuts of meat and he said, look, we don't have to eat this stuff. So that's still being paid. Hmm. Then he went into business with two of my father's Jewish customers. Is this Romainville Feinburg? Two great guys want to know more when Paul runs the plants. And Lawrence. And I'm an investor, and he should have been on the stock market. He should have gone to college. But if he had the copy, what if he didn't? That's true.

Emily DiMaggio
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