Speaker And in some way, you want to start out with it. Shall I start? Yes, sir. Would you give me the cue? Yeah. You just start whenever you're ready. You say, well, I was playing in Chicago where you want to start.

Speaker Well, I was playing in Chicago at a place called the Subway Café. This was advertised as the longest bar in the world. And that's where John Hammond came in to hear me play. And he liked the way I played and he recommended me to Benny Goodman. So here they got back to New York. Francophobia. He did like Francophobia at all. He was the guy I replaced on piano.

Speaker And so he he he recommended me to Benny Benny Cole.

Speaker I got to start again with that. John had recommended me.

Speaker Yeah, well, John John Hammond recommended me to Ben Goodman when he heard me at the Subway Cafe where I was playing.

Speaker So Benny Goodman called me and says, I want you to join my band.

Speaker I said, Are you kidding? Somebody has put me on. I don't believe this stuff. I said, You're Benny Goodman. Send me a wire. Write me a letter or something like that. So. He did. He sent me a wire. Then I John came to New York and joined in waiting to join him.

Speaker Was he already still playing Let's dance?

Speaker No play were here. He was still playing the last dance. But. I was told about Benny Goodman before I went to New York. Helen Oakley says you're going to join. He's an Iraqi. And I said, well, I've heard all about that, too. I hear the Jews are making it. When I got to New York, he proved himself while he was in Haiti and so on. I was determined to stay with a bad shot. Oh, those Kester's. You don't want to stay with the band. Me want to make. Well, that's a real joke, you know.

Speaker Don't tell us about Helen Oakley, how you knew her in Chicago. What part you play.

Speaker Well, she used to be covered all the places we'll start again. How did you. Hello. Locally used to come to the places where we played. She's chief. She just loved music, you know. So she played. You did. She got me in a Paris magazine and shoot through her. I got a little a little while love, you know, things through Helen Oakley.

Speaker Who were some of the guys in the band when you got to New York and joined Benny's band, who was there and did you get sort of relate to have fun.

Speaker Well, Crewther. And I did it, the rest of the guys. You know, I've heard of. But I was the only deal. I was nobody. You know, I'm just a little piano player from Chicago with no name. No nothing.

Speaker So, sir, to say you are the oldest guy in the band, right. You were older than that. I'm older than God.

Speaker You joined the band. It was like they were all kids in their 20s.

Speaker Yeah. Much younger than me. My question will be. You sure you do that? That's right. We did one thing.

Speaker This list of what we were taught, what we were talking about. When you got to New York, all the guys in his band were kids, kids, early 20s. And you were like 30 or over 30.

Speaker Yeah, yeah. I was the oldest guy in the band. And I thought, oh, I hope I make it. I'll do everything possible to stay with this band and with all the road. Dead, dead, dead. But we were led to ballet all the way across the country.

Speaker So let's just start again just because you. It wasn't clear when you said lay an egg.

Speaker Start again with when we got to dig up the dead, were we laid ridiculous here? We didn't hear it. We were we were nobody. They wanted a dime, a dance, was it? They wanted to supply play is everything. Three numbers. Had to cut out all of his arrangements. And we we just played. It was ten cents a dance. It really it it better could use any of his arrangements. It was he down. He was really down. And I used to drive him home up in the mountains where we lived. A little little place up there. Could see very well. So I'd, I'd drive him home every night and I'd plead with him. I just don't let this get you down. Stay stay with us. Stay with it. Wait, please wait till you get to do YORGA. Plus I wanted to say with the band, I, you know, I was selfish to this on my part. I want to stay with this band and the only way I could do it there is talk it up to Benny, as is when you get to California. Please. You're I gather now now gamble a little bit. Where did you get to? California. You'll see. You know, if he did see it, I wonder if he ever remembered that.

Speaker You know what was used to tell me before about Helen Ward being in the band and what all the guys thought of Helen and how you remember Helen or Helen.

Speaker We all liked Helen. She was a real sexy girl. She stood a father that bad at all of men. And the people went crazy about her. She was she was a good singer. And she was something else. She was just great. That's all I can say about that. Another good thing about her. Everything is good about her.

Speaker Tell more about being on the road like driving. You drove in his old Pontiac. Yeah. Room Bunny Berrigan.

Speaker Well, Buddy Berrigan was in the car with us. And so every hundred miles we'd have to stop and bit his old car to buy. Buddy put out a quart of whiskey every hundred miles a quart of whiskey. We stop. Stop. He died and he that just stayed buttoned down all the time.

Speaker You know, you remember what the difference was from Denver and all those other places, too. When you got to the Palomar, what was the scene like?

Speaker Oh, that that was something else. Every musician in this town was there. Ten thousand people were dead in that place to welcome it. We we we knew right then where we were a hit.

Speaker And was it there you said they were transcontinental hookups? Everybody heard about that.

Speaker Yeah. You knew that?

Speaker Well, that was a Transcom. They call them restaurant Nettle's. But, you know, that is coast to coast, you know, broadcast. So Betty would have to time it just right. So, Betty, so Buddy would be too drunk to play it, you know, because if he if he if he was an hour later. So. Body would be drunk and he sounded like hell.

Speaker How about Jean playing with Gene in the van?

Speaker Well, Gene was our showman. You know, he was he was allowed drover. And he saw the stakes set up. He was he all the rest of us guys played good music, you know. But he was a showman and he he sold the band.

Speaker Let's skip and talk about Carnegie Hall, what you remember back before the Carnegie Hall concert and going in, that anything you remember about that night about showing up for the job that you felt?

Speaker Yeah, well, we all felt funny about that. Henry James especially. He says, gosh, I can't believe we're played in this hall. This calls for all these wonderful musicians played. So he looked out the people through the curtain and the place was crowded. He looked at me. He says, you know, just I feel like a whore in church.

Speaker And then what was it like when you got out on this date?

Speaker Well, this first started. Different. There were so many people there had there had seats up on the stage. I could move Barbes. I've had people in the ribs. You did pay so many people around me, you know.

Speaker You remember that day and the number SingSing, same with many starting to play. And then how we look to you and describe whatever you remember about that.

Speaker Well, Puzder, so what I remember about that is I knew that Bibi like I was playing behind him on his soul and he liked that. He says, well, let's see if I can just see it. I'm going to see what he could do. He gave you a pointed to be pointed to Gruber. And I started to play. And that's when I made it. That's talked about all over the country.

Speaker Delegate delegate strength.

Speaker Remember looking down and seeing the people sort of all dressed up, the fancy sort of people used to go see Toscanini and there they were, they couldn't help. Yeah. Had their feet to jazz. Was that fun for you guys to think we're making a hit with these stuffed shirts?

Speaker It sure was. It was fun. We knew we were making it, you know, with their paws and everything. We do it. We're. We're doing it. No.

Speaker Describe many other things you can remember from that night or what? You know, it's scenes or conversations with people. Anything else you remember?

Speaker Well, I remember after it was over with Mildred Bailey. Came up on the stage to businesses. Are you sure you're not quite part Spayd?

Speaker That's a good, uh.

Speaker If there's anything else you can think about, anything on that ship West or today, don't think about it.

Speaker Well, see, I was playing a dance bands all the time. And if I do how I do how to play in a dance band, that's where the other piano player that I replaced. He did know that. He did know about that. He was more of a con concert, you know, a of runs, a trickle. But I played rhythm and I never used the loud pedal. Never used to loud pedal order down. I played with this.

Speaker Well, did you look out and see it to give you a kick to see people swinging or something?

Speaker Yeah, it was wonderful. My question would be.

Speaker It was so wonderful to see these people go for this band cause we do where we just we just look at where we knew they were enjoying themselves. It. We knew we were hit. We were there. It was obvious that we were a hit.

Speaker What was it like in the Manhattan room? In the Pennsylvania hotel. Oh, is right. It looked like it's hard to we don't need pictures of it that really give the feel and who came and said what the atmosphere was like in Pennsylvania?

Speaker Well, it was a little different atmosphere. People do over tuxedos and stuff like that, but they loved the music and the same as every place else. We were just a hit and we do it and that's it.

Speaker Can I take a break? Yes.

Speaker You remember playing and I understand you took your son with you a little bit on the road. I did hear those things that you remember. You want to give us a feeling, really put yourself back and describe what it felt like. Well, we did.

Speaker We did. Fifty one nighters in a row. What was you know what I mean by that? Different a different time each night, you know. And we travel by bus and train. No parades in those days, General. And it was a gruesome thing, but every place we played, we were ahead, you know, it hurt us from the Pennsylvania Hotel, the airtime out of there. Just got to the tube, got out to the people in the country.

Speaker It started again. Same with the airtime to start that sentence again. What's said? Well, you just said about because you stop in the middle, so just say start again with. We were playing Pennsylvania and was heard on the right.

Speaker Yes. We're playing with the Pennsylvania. And it was heard on the radio all over the country, you know. And so people were waiting for us. You know, when we got to their town, the people were just crowded there waiting to work.

Speaker Can you describe riding on the buses and trains and what it was like? And was there air conditioning or what? Could you just talk to what you do on the train? Well.

Speaker We played cards. Eat hamburgers. Lot of times we'd go get a place just in time to go on, you know. And we all did, we'd grab a hamburger at home and get right on the stand and play.

Speaker And Benny traveled with the man with the separate cabinet.

Speaker He he was separate. You know, he had his own little way, too. He he'd either take a plane those days, you know, a few planes, but Bob Pullman car or he would try. He traveled first class and we ate we traveled 50 a class.

Speaker What does it feel like? I mean, people compared some of the guys in advance that it was like we were in those days, we were like the Beatles or like Michael Jackson. And suddenly everywhere we went, people knew every bit, all of our names. And what was it? What did it feel like finding Venus or a piano player in a small club in Chicago that felt like. But my question will be there. So describe describe the phenomenon yourself.

Speaker Well, what we got to these towns, the people do a lot of are names, you know. And they were anxious to see us and shake hands with us and autographs and autographs. You know, we were big. We were a hit.

Speaker And we knew it was that. Did I ever get to be a nuisance? Did you feel like, oh, no, it's going to be annoyed and people will be bugging?

Speaker No, I liked it because I did use to play it in Chicago where though nobody cared. And I was playing for these gangsters. And if they didn't like you, they you said futures. Look at you.

Speaker How about that? Was it like playing in Chicago and before you got paid and then you remember that your boss there?

Speaker Well, you know, we played the speakeasies with the gangsters. If the place was closed, locked up by the government, we never we never dared go back and ask bashing Governor Gary Gerber back pain. Should churches look at you?

Speaker What was it like when you were getting paid? You said you'd go in the back room. You were telling me before.

Speaker Oh, yes. We're going to get paid. Yeah. It was an arsenal. There was machine guns, tear gas, ever kind of stolen gun. The dude demob was loaded. It was an arsenal.

Speaker To tell that tell about the guy who is your boss, you're telling me before about him?

Speaker Oh, well, Machine-Gun bodyguard was my boss. What a head. He was such a good looking guy. He looked like a college graduate. You wouldn't think that he'd had it having to do with the sad Valentine's Day massacre. You know, he wore expensive clothes if he looked good. He looked like a cult organizer. He looked like a college graduate.

Speaker OK. I think or one one less or more things, we're going to take a break. Yes.

Speaker Looking back and thinking about Benny Goodman and about your career and about having played with him, what what sort of visit is you? Do you take away from it all, from having played with Benny and knowing Benny?

Speaker Well. Knowing Betty listening to him play. He he.

Speaker Nobody ever surpassed him. He was a great clarinet player. We all do it and we all respected it. And I would just say he he was nobody ever surpassed.

Speaker To you personally, that part of your life, having been with him and been in the band those years. Was that a, you know, big thing? Is it what is it? You know, looking back now, how how does that fit in with the rest of your career and with sort of your who you are as a musician? We became as a musician. What role did that play? Well.

Speaker It played a great role.

Speaker It helped me out a lot.

Speaker I just excuse me for interrupting. It's very interesting. Let's say played with Benny Goodman or the time I was with the Tigers will be the good, the bad.

Speaker I couldn't ask for anything more. I mean, it was it was good money and the bad was all well, liked it where we were, where we were on top.

Speaker And we do it in terms of the music. Was there anything special about that music, about the way you all played together or about his playing? You described anything special about it in terms of jazz or in terms. Well, rising.

Speaker It was a talk of the music world. That's about all I can say. When we were played the Congress hotel, we were told of the music world. That's 1935. And it just kept going on and on up until after 1938, after the Carnegie Hall concert, you know, that they had record sales dropped off just like anything else.

Speaker It's take. It takes up. It goes down.

Speaker You know, you go up and you're down.

Speaker How about Benny? I mean, personally, it's like a lot of people say, well, he was difficult to work with. But it's like the music made up for other people say, well, I didn't care how good he played. It didn't justify all the things putting it all together. I mean, the package of Benny Goodman.

Speaker Are you happy to take the good with the bad and have had when I heard Benny Goodman play. All was forgiven. I knew nobody surpassed him. And I just just to hear you play. I guess you could call me anything. He could do anything. But I like. Oh, I like the way he played. That was it.

Speaker That's lovely. I think we got.

Speaker You think we got it. I don't like to darkly everybody. You know, even if I hated his guts, he still can play better than anybody else.

Speaker Did you, I think to you as a piano player to hear him play like that? Did you inspire each other? Yes. Yes.

Speaker I used to.

Speaker He'd take me down to the record session before. And he'd he'd say he'd say, now lay out these cards for me, you know? I said, that's a C sample. This was a D Sabbath. He said, Don't O'Donnel is a break it up on the piano. And a break. And he'd break it up. And I remember it. You know. You know, that amaze behi, I could remember all those cards, you know.

Speaker Is that unusual in a position to be able to think? Some people say that he will remember solos people played and incorporate parts of their solo. And when he played.

Speaker Well, he played the chord down for him. And he gonna do they remembered him and that was it.

Speaker Did you get a sense of what?

Speaker Can you just hold out your hands again? Show me how you would do. You would lay out?

Speaker Well, you know, like you have got to go to see her. They got to be flared up in here. But they are they are not like that. And he did it on the planet. And remember it? Oh, the whole arrangement. You know, that was amazing. You know, amazing, Debbie.

Speaker How about I just one the woods one this year, Martha Raye? Anything about the rain you remember? You get the ray. What was the ray in your estimation? Everybody's got their own opinion, Ray.

Speaker Ray was. His eyesight was was poor. You know, I consider the ray bad eyesight. You know.

Speaker That's terrific. Well, thanks. Just not fun for you. You could do the same thing.

Speaker Well, everybody in the trumpet section was a first man. They keep switching the parts because, you know, that book was so heavy with the high notes and all that. One man could you couldn't handle it all by himself. So the Swiss subparts know.

Speaker There they were all first and any stories, particularly anybody else in the band, is sticking your mind about Harry James or. People who were your particular friends.

Speaker That that great band and, you know, 37. Well, the.

Speaker Harry James is a very good friend of mine.

Speaker He he used me on his record dates, Texas chatter, and so there was a pretty good day.

Speaker Let's let's jump to Carnegie Hall with.

Speaker Famous Carnegie Hall concert. Tell, tell the story about I start anywhere you want. You want to, but I've heard that before it began. You were in the conductor's room and you started fooling around on the piano. And when you add a jams, there's little jam session started.

Speaker OK. What's up? So far so. OK.

Speaker Well, you know, show it off. Oh.

Speaker Oh, nothing. Singing, Sing, Sing. I think Benny like what I was playing behind him or, you know, on his solo. And he liked it so well that he did. He pointed to me and said, you take it, you know. So that's how that's how that came about.

Speaker Look at it again. Let's start from the beginning. And where this is going to be. The only story we're going to get is the story that you're in. Tell us if someone else who was there is going to tell us. So tell us from the beginning of that night at Carnegie Hall for the whole concert began backstage in the conductor's room, heard that you started to on the piano and it was a little jam session before you actually went onstage, remember?

Speaker Well, I don't remember that well, but I know that we looked up to the audience and the Berlin people and the place was packed her Jamesons and I feel like a hornchurch.

Speaker And then you get the first good solo of the night and I want to climb. Jump.

Speaker Yes. I remember that.

Speaker Well, it was a hard job, I took off.

Speaker I had a course and then sing, sing, sing, describe. Sense did seem to me that that night there was something special going on. I mean, I played that record a million times, probably more than that. A lot of records I've got of you and Jean, both just. Sort of nudging on the other guys in the band. Yeah. You know, you would get a little extra money by you. You'd give a little Europe your playing so modulated to get a little extra punch on the piano when they needed it. Described in your own words what it was like playing playing that night and playing that night in Carnegie Hall.

Speaker Was it was the cops for me. I had a wonderful piano to play along on my small one concert grand and everything was going lovely in it. What makes matters? The people were up on the stage. It wasn't really they were so close with chairs that I can hardly move my hands. You know, I'd hit people in the ribs.

Speaker And then what happened? Benny started the downbeat seeing things when he started his soul is take taken from there.

Speaker Yeah, well, Benny started his soul and I think A would certainly be successful on seeing things very started to his soul.

Speaker Singing Sing say, just look.

Speaker Look at me here.

Speaker I see videos. Started his course on stage. So you're saying and I think that Benny, like when I was playing behind him and he decided to give me a course and after all, he was kind of mad at Terry Wilson.

Speaker They were all even to form their own bands, you know? So he let me go.

Speaker And I remember him coming over with the microphone and saying, yeah, yes, yes, I remember that.

Speaker Describe what I mean when you started in your soul. I remember that was I was just playing in the not look at around or anything.

Speaker I was just trying to play it here. He says take says take it, Jess. No, that was on the show.

Speaker Well, what happened? You remember the story one group finally in Philadelphia had enough for the day things started to get bad. You go from bad to worse, Bernie and Gene, you're fighting about that. When he finally quit.

Speaker Yeah. They were right on the stage. You were cursing at each other again, which is the same man.

Speaker Gene where the earth. Péter Philadelphia.

Speaker And I got to say it, if Earl Theater in Philadelphia.

Speaker He was bad because James leaving the band. So they started cursing at each other right on the stand. And you can hear that now adage say you're a lousy guy, state, you stink. They almost had a fistfight on the stage.

Speaker Let's cut. Just so you have a chance to.

Speaker He was not sure that guy plays piano. The Benny Goodman Band.

Speaker You just tell me about. You got a few musicians to join Benny Good and including my friend David. Tell me a little. Well, tell me before about that.

Speaker Yeah. Well, I, uh. I got Benny to her debut top. But even so, he did. But nothing ever worked out good. You know.

Speaker Benny would be taken horse in bed by the be fooling with the saxophone, just like two little kids in school, you know. And then when Wendy Kliment, we get up to take its course. Benny would whistle. So, you know, we're just like kids, you know?

Speaker And then David Chuck, you said there was a story that would go up today to talk and say, send me.

Speaker We were playing the theater in Cleveland, Ohio.

Speaker To say one shot, looking glass. Just look at me. Her eyes are shut. Yeah.

Speaker Well, we were playing a theater in Cleveland and.

Speaker Betty came by. He was fine. She took a plane and we took her by bus and we all beat bags under our bags.

Speaker And then he says, Now, Dave, I want you to send me this time. Send me.

Speaker And Dave says, For God's sake, since I'm a directional, send it where you want to be sent.

Speaker That didn't work out. You did.

Speaker Chris Griffin told on. You were traveling with your son for a while with the man.

Speaker Yes. Tell them I took him along on one nighters. I took my son along with me on. Oh, let's start again. I took my son along with me, one reason or another, one nighters. He got a kick out of it.

Speaker He was how he was about. I think he was around around seven.

Speaker The beginning of this first day to tell the whole story again.

Speaker I took my son along with us, son, he was about seven years old, is his name. Yeah. Well, any detail? I remember anything he did. I took my now. OK.

Speaker All right. Starting.

Speaker I took my son along with me on the one nighters. He was seven years old and he got a kick out of it, you know.

Speaker And Tom, tell me about Ferguson, oh, this Ferguson was a pal of mine, we just hung out together and we had to go up to my apartment and to tour the city. And I had a picture of a baby up there and we threw darts at it. We weren't known as a dart throwers.

Speaker You've been been quoted describing that he was a harsh taskmaster and that he had certain rehearsal techniques. Can you tell me what it was like?

Speaker Well, I've been in rehearsal with Benny Goodman. It seemed like he wanted to lock everything up. We'd go over and over and over the tune, too. We're so damn disgusted with it. We never did. We'll play it a bit more.

Speaker Well, after the Carnegie Hall concert, people were leaving, Teddy Wilson was leaving the part of his own band, Lionel Hampton's leaving Cooper while it was leaving the band. He seemed to go down. From then on in, it debited to regain the real popularity he had at first.

Speaker You were talking before about when you got out. Later when you got out to San Francisco, Benny was really struggling and that's when you decided to go?

Speaker Yeah, well, when we got to San Francisco, Billy was struggling. He wanted to he knew that pressure. Henderson built his big band lives from the start. So Fletcher, he wanted to hire Fletcher in the band. I said, well, Betty, it's time for me to go. Now you take Fletcher. Goodbye. I'm leaving. So I left. Join the Bob Crosby Band.

Speaker Well, Howard, how did it compare working with another boss after you've been with Ben?

Speaker Well.

Speaker I used to work in the building, I used to strike at a on the Pattakos, Betty was really hell on intonation and everything had to be perfectly in tune. So I kept pounding A's and A's. So when I joined the Bob Crosby band, I was in a routine I kept. He sounded AIDS. So Bob says, if you don't stop that, I'm going to give you your five years notice.

Speaker And now it's under way again as the dinosaurs show you what is at risk in finding shows like I never known about or never noticed that you tell that story.

Speaker Well, when I when I played the Dinah Shore show with Billy out here, I think he got ten thousand dollars and I got scale, which was nothing.

Speaker But Dinah Shore wanted to sing with our little roup trail.

Speaker And he would later say, so she cried. Winter Nasserism. It really broke up all about it cause she wants to sing with the trio so badly.

Speaker But then you walked into Betty's dressing room.

Speaker Yes. Then I walked into Ben-Israel wrestling room and he had his clothes off. And he was it was the garb that he had to hold his back up.

Speaker There was a cable kind of setting it on.

Speaker You described it in Ross's book. It looked like the first things in horses.

Speaker Yes. Yes. It's so elegant.

Speaker Well, when he took office shirt, you looked like your patients that they put on horses, you know? Debray sum up, you know, he were if you took those braces off, he'd pull up. He'd pull up, you know.

Speaker Did you know before that that he upon his back? I did. No, I did all the time.

Speaker I really did know it before. I didn't know it was that bad. And I started to feel sorry for him. Almost cried.

Speaker So it becomes a remark about the sunset compared to thirty fifth entirely met in Chicago. You said you can take a terminal out of his case. It had bull by itself. Well, down the stretch of the plantation was King Oliver in the border. Music was all over that street. He says, you can take it, pick it out, bondsman. Take the top it out of the case of that bull by itself.

Speaker You say you basically lived in the sunset. I did, yes. Don't tell us.

Speaker I really was working on the south side of the dancehall and I'd stop by 30 Fairfield County about every night would be finished pay. I practically lived in the Sunset Cafe with Tasch Smarter. And a Spaniard.

Speaker We'd all go together and just picture. You describe that you played in the Midway Gardens with the Bandit back when those guys were in it, many came and sang with that band. Tell me about that.

Speaker Well, nobody did come to sit in with that band.

Speaker Go on for you. Just read it closely because they came to listen to this the beginning. Tell me you were playing in the band, played in the band at the Midway Guard question and like so it started.

Speaker This band, I was playing with it at the Sunset Cafe, we had Peshmarga, who was a hell of a wonderful top clarinet player. So very good.

Speaker Let's start again. Well, a little over. Give me a minute. We have. Well, I put this Band-Aid.

Speaker I played with it the Midway Gardens. They had this wonderful clarinet player named Frank Peshmarga.

Speaker I just got to look up in my eyes looking down. Oh. Oh.

Speaker When I was playing of this band into the struggle at Midway Gardens, we had this wonderful trumpet player, clarinet. I mean, to say, remember Frank Pash Water. So I guess Benny Goodman had heard about it because he's playing the southpaw. We've been pollit. So I guess he'd he'd heard about Frank Freshwater's. So he came out to listen to him, but he stood behind the post to listen to French.

Speaker He did want Frank to save this. I still don't know.

Speaker Well, when we made recording dates, Benny would always take me down ahead of the time for the band. And he wanted to know the chord changes on the tunes. So I said, this is a D7. This goes in the C flat. And he says, I don't want this. I said, break them up. Break them up. So I'd break them up on the piano, you know, note for note. And he'd remember more. He had a hell of a memory. Wonderful memory.

Speaker Were there any of those records that stand out your mind of.

Speaker Oh, Josh, we made so many poor Victor.

Speaker Wrapping it up at the Fletcher Henderson thing, Cheryl.

Speaker Like a lot of it has been written about how many tried to have a second career as a classical musician. Yes. And people have also mentioned about your surely about the famous Carnegie Hall solo on SingSing saying that there was a classical influence in your play. Were you. Did you have any talk about classical music or you? Were you aware of that solo? There was a debut. See or. Well done.

Speaker I used to go to Betty's house and play the company big time over the W.C. Rebelle stuff. Not very good. All my Aunt Betty did a lot, but that's how I got acquainted with it, you know.

Speaker Was that before? Thirty eight or whatever that was before, there is a part of your whole buncha.

Speaker OK. I don't think we left anything out. Um, let's cut.

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