Speaker Well, Saturday nights at the Kind Household was on CBS. So, of course, I. I knew Carol Burnett wanted to be Tim Conway wanted to be Harvey Korman. These are these were my heroes. These are the people that I grew up with. Got to say, I didn't want to be Carol Burnett. I wanted to marry her, but I wanted to be Harvey and Tim.

Speaker Can you describe her comedic style or what you noticed about her? What impressed you about her?

Speaker When I was a kid.

Speaker My style is.

Speaker That's why I work sometimes the way I don't work sometimes. Is bigger, is larger. And that is that's something. I mean, I'm going to get right into it a bit about the things that I thought about, Carol.

Speaker When she acts, she's theater trained. She acts at the back of the house, she encompasses all twelve hundred people who were in that theater when she got on TV. She needed a library and she took everybody in. While she was on camera. And everybody at the audience. But what she did, astoundingly, and I've never seen this done, was also do it for the camera. She was able to focus and be large. At the same time. Most of the people who I see do this, even on four camera and live with a live audience. They'll only play for the camera. They need the audience, but they only hear them. But they're only playing for the camera. Carol could do both.

Speaker It's an astounding talent. It was astounding. That is that is why she's so beloved. I think is because it says if she can't help but which each person out there who's watching and God only knows where that stems from is a talent, is a desire to be loved. I don't know. Is it is it a theater training? I don't know what it is, but it's bizarrely talented.

Speaker We felt that part of that.

Speaker That's right. I mean, if you look at her TV show, it's not exactly reality. OK. She's not acting. Strausberg, an actor's studio. It's it's sketch. So it's a little larger. So she can afford to be bigger and therefore reach out. If I can use somebody else who I worked with, Michael J. Fox, very concentrated camera trained actor, very smart. But he always said he needed the audience to give him a sense of rhythm. He needed that laughter all the time. Carol needs that, too, but doesn't just give it to the camera. She it's it's all over the place.

Speaker What about physical? Yeah.

Speaker And I'm gonna I'm going to say something I never thought that Carol was a very witty person. Great sense of humor can make a joke, but not really what she once said. One very funny thing that really, really made me laugh is that it was my birthday and somebody sent me a dozen cookie flowers. They were large cookies with a long stem. And she said, Oh, you better go put them in milk. That made me laugh. But otherwise, the only joke I ever remember her saying so. She does rely on the physical comedy, what she can do. You know, she's a very pretty woman. Not glamorous. Not exceptionally. She's a very attractive, pretty woman. Who probably didn't grow up as pretty as she turned out to be. And I think that she compensated on that by by either the self deprecation or by getting laughs in a very sad household. Whatever. So I think she did develop the the physical comedy, her face in particular, just the way.

Speaker Well, she's got a big mouth and I think the big mouths are good.

Speaker Yes. Is. She's got a big mouth. She's a.

Speaker You know, I've never really thought about it. And we did we did some physical stuff.

Speaker But you know what? When I worked with her. She was older. She didn't do as much physical stuff.

Speaker And in much the way that Jerry Lewis, it would be, you'd cringe if you saw him doing what he used to do when he was younger. I didn't. I think Carol stepped back a little bit with that. So I guess I remember, like everybody does. But, um, no maven on what she did physically when she was younger, but she didn't do that much physically when she was older.

Speaker What do you want to do? Something about that? I see you. I just see him jump up and he's always says, is this OK? OK.

Speaker I'm going to ask you think about some of your favorite sketch.

Speaker OK. Well, I'll tell you what. Can we, can we.

Speaker Well, I want to talk about before we get to your show, I was just watching the game.

Speaker Oh, sure, sure, sure. Oh, OK. OK. You got it. Well, what do I remember?

Speaker Do I remember anything specific? Can I be honest? I don't always remember her on the show. I really don't. Which I think is. My assessment of her talent, having worked with her is so unusual because.

Speaker She loved the people who were good. She really loves talent. She loved to laugh and be astounded by somebody else's talent. And had no fear that she wasn't as good as them. I think. But she always said, do what you do best. And I'll be there on the other side of the net to hit the ball back just as hard as you hit it to me, but never made a grandstanding show of it. So. When Tim or Harbi were so good. Often you would think that they were better. But in order to be better, she had to be great. And I don't know whether people think that they just like what it looked as, charisma. What's wrong? Somebody to wanting to watch somebody? I don't know. I don't know whether or not she really has charisma like that. But she had a facility to make you like watching her.

Speaker OK, so I think what actually I have thought about that, I mean, do you think that she's. In some ways under examined or underappreciated, for that reason, she made it look too easy or.

Speaker Is it that or is it just.

Speaker Well, a lot of time she was a straight man. At the same time, she was getting the laughs. It's a really unusual thing and what she did to Gloria Swanson, Sunset Boulevard thing. She was just out there.

Speaker And that really was. That's pretty astounding.

Speaker Oh, boy, you know, I've never thought about it. Yeah, she's not. Is she appreciated? Is she examined? Is she an example? No. We just love her. That's why I don't know why is it. She's great at being terrific. And that's it. And when you see her, her acting like, please tell me the name of the movie. Friendly Fire. And she was doing friendly fire. Absolutely terrific. And who would have ever thought, much less giving her a chance? I don't know whether she enjoys doing that, but she sure is good at it. If she did it more, then maybe we would examine how good she was at that. But, you know, TV. You're coming in. You turn on the TV. You got it there. TV is actually under. And back in the old days, it was just there, three channels. And she just showed up. So. You just accept that, or especially after three or four years. She just keeps coming on TV and just doing it. And she was great. I think that when she tried to.

Speaker Branch out and do other things and come back. Both in theater, but on TV.

Speaker It wasn't just, oh, this is the old Carol Burnett Show. So I think she had to keep proving herself and I don't think it was difficult for her.

Speaker So let's talk about the show. The shows that did. Can you tell me when the first one when it was and how that came?

Speaker Yes. OK, I'll start with the audition. One thing about Carol, which I said before.

Speaker She's such a generous, generous person. Usually when you go in for an audition, they're sitting with their arms crossed. Let's see what. Come on, let's see what you can do. Come on.

Speaker Carol. Had heard about me because I was a guest on another show and I had done a good job. I remember I'm sitting in the hallway. The casting director didn't come outside the producer. Carol came outside, turned a corner, spread open her arms and said, Richard Kind. I've heard so much about you. As if to say, come in. I hear you're talented. Let me see just how good you are. Well, no actor will turn that down. You know, they're being given a stage and by a legend, you know. And so you go in and we did have fun.

Speaker She wanted to play. I had a good time. She really wanted me to be good. And I think that's pretty much how she treats life. I think she wants things to be good.

Speaker What was.

Speaker We did a show called Karaman Company, which was seems to call it the A word. It's an anthology. And what we did was we did a Half-Hour show where 22 minutes each week, different genre, different stories, different characters. It's the Twilight Zone. But comedy, OK, half hour anthology series had never been done before. Anthologies weren't that big hit. I guess after Outer Limits, nobody did anthologies. It was a great idea. It's the toughest thing in the world to write these things is so difficult. Because you have to introduce characters, that takes two minutes. You have to set up a story. Takes a couple more minutes. You have to tell the story and then wrap it up all in 22 minutes. Now, they do these with pilots every year. The pilots are never really any good, which is why pilots never get picked up, because you get to follow a formula. So each week. And it was so hard. And what happens if it doesn't work? What happens if they set out to write a pilot? Or what happens if they set out to write a 22 minutes? Right from the get go. It's not good. You got to start at square one. And you've been working on this. And then you have till Friday to write it. Very difficult. Happened a lot where, you know, something didn't work. And they just had to take the story but just completely rewrite it. Yeah. Go ahead.

Speaker No.

Speaker I don't think it was a dream, but I think that I think doing an anthology was not something that she needed to do. But it was as close to what she used to have with the variety show and even with what she used to do in the Catskills, which I think she loved her work in the Catskills. She many of her friends can admit she welte remained remained friends from the get go. I think that her directors. I think she luck that came from from the Catskills. Think she had very fond times up there and. This was. The natural progression from a variety show is to do something that was different every week. Carol gets bored. I think that's one reason why she doesn't like doing movies. She likes, you know, you'll never do more than two takes ever. And she didn't want to do two takes. There was one show we did where where she played it at a teacher. And it was all done. In 22 minutes. And she begged the network, let us do this live.

Speaker OK. And we could do it. We could do it. It lasted 22 minutes. She changed costumes in front of the audience as she kept narrating everything like that. We could have done it. We did it once. She didn't want to do it again. And we had a producer who wanted perfection. That's something about Carol. She doesn't want the glass. He doesn't want the perfection. She now, is that any indication on how she is as a performer? I don't know. She's a little rough around the edges and is proud of it. I think that when she did the variety show, she liked it to be a little rough.

Speaker OK. It seems like audiences like.

Speaker I think so. I think Carol was human and I think people saw this. They saw the foibles. They also saw the magnificent talent. And let's get a little dirt in that, as you know, in the cogs and know that we're still working. But it doesn't all just go so smoothly. The funny thing was, is that, you know, I used a pumper for questions Tim Conway used to ask the director after the first show.

Speaker Do you have everything? You have everything you need? And then at the evening performance, he would go wild. And I think that that's what Carol liked. I think she liked going wild.

Speaker And what about the anthology series Cracking Up when we did Carolyn Company?

Speaker We couldn't crack up. We were telling a story. It wasn't a sketch. We were absolutely telling a story. If you want to know one anecdote. There was one show where I had to play a very milquetoast guy and. From the get go, I had one line that was so underplayed, it should have been a large expression of love and everything, but I so underplayed it. Then I got the giggles every time I did it. And so in the reading, I got the giggles and we all left. Then rehearsal.

Speaker I'd get the giggles and we all left and we encourage this. We had the network run through on Tuesday. She encouraged it. And then Wednesday I left again by Thursday. She just went. All right, Richard. That's enough. So I'm the first president to ever stand. All right. Enough of that. Enough giggling. And the only way that I stopped and the producer who you get so mad, you got mad.

Speaker And then he offered me one hundred dollars if I didn't giggle. Which I thought was Larrys. And I still giggled. The only way I didn't giggle was Megan Face said, you know, we all got our little shows, a little places to shine. This was Teri Kaiser, who was the movie Weekend at Bernie's. This was his show, quote, unquote. And if I giggled, they would all like me better than they'd like him. And he was the sympathetic character. So Megan said, you can't do this to Terry. And I didn't laugh. Is that nice about me? What a nice story about me. Well, it did. It actually did. I mean, you know, get my my emotions. Although one hundred dollars is not bad. That was one. A hundred dollars was one hundred dollars.

Speaker Any other favorite episodes. Great stories that you remember working with, Carol.

Speaker OK, I tell you about the first one. She'd already done about six of these episodes and then she wanted to get a repertory company. No, I don't think she'll remember this. I don't think she'll admit this. This is something about Carol that made you want to love her. The first episode we did, I played a bartender. And I'm behind the bar. Carol is acting beautifully.

Speaker But her hand, I saw her hand is absolutely shaking. And I I took it and I squeezed it and she looked and it's something that I remember. I don't think that she'll ever say that that happened or that I did it or anything like that. But I remember it. Here is this woman who is it looks like it's water off a duck's back. OK, let's go do this. Let's go to that. I think she was scared and. You see, one thing is that. I'm sure she was scared when she did the first year of the Burnett Show, just about a lot more at stake. I think that she and Joe went to CBS, said, look, here's here's a show. I think that they gave her a chance, as they did with all shows. But after first, second, third year, it was all just sort of not that she didn't work hard, but it was a little easier. She had a lot to prove with this show. If you want to know one reason. Well, OK.

Speaker What did you learn from watching her? Because as an actor. As a comedian. Really not just seeing her on TV, but acting with her.

Speaker Yeah. How can I put this into the. The proper words.

Speaker During the creative process. If there was a bad joke, if something wasn't working. She kept her mouth shut. I mean, there might have been an insulting line, a tasteless line. And I said I wanted to say something. And she said, Phil, no. He had six patients and trust. Now, sometimes it didn't work, which will get us to what her producers did did for her. But she she knew she also knew, you know, this was a genre show. Each week you had different genres.

Speaker She knows showbiz. She knew it all. She knew what style to play, what time, how big to play it, how small, how you know, whether to go for the joke. She she knew it all.

Speaker And I'm telling you, never flaunted it. And it's and I got a big mouth. So I know when I flaunt it and when I flaunt my intelligence. Why she never, never flaunted how much she knew. It was that was bizarre. I wish that I could say that I learned from her.

Speaker I did. I still I still open my mouth.

Speaker Let's roll on the set. You were just starting mention that in terms of sort of behind the scenes. I mean, did she suggest concepts to the writers week to week? Did she deal with or did she have to? She did.

Speaker I don't think Carol is really a writer that much. I don't even know how creative she is.

Speaker What I think she really has is a sense of taste, a sense of class, a sense of what people like.

Speaker I think that since TV has changed. And there were things that people liked that she didn't. She decided to say, I'm not going to go along with them. I think a little bit she tried to change with the system, but if it changed a little too much. She'd have none of it.

Speaker She was not the producer of this on this show. That was clear.

Speaker OK. Carol was the producer on this show.

Speaker But what Carol did, and Carol is a very guarded person, very private. You'll never hear this from her mouth. But the producer of the Carol Burnett variety show was her husband. And you can bet that over dinner or on the ride home or lying next to each other on the pillow.

Speaker She said everything that she wanted to say and couldn't say during the show, and he took care of it. She had somebody named Marcia Branwen, who produced Carol Company. And you can bet that she said it to Marcia. And why she tried to take care of it.

Speaker I don't think Carol could say this is what we should do. This is how a show should be written. But she could say this is what is not good about it. Or she could say this needs improvement. But I don't know whether she had the creative. Talent to do it.

Speaker I could be wrong, but I never saw that in front of my eyes. And of course she was she would say so. The judge would say this doesn't work. I think that that maybe this character's to mean something like that. But no, I. And she never sat down with a pen. I don't believe.

Speaker And did the actual writing what she brings to the characters in the sketches, that was.

Speaker I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Whether she actually did. What she could do is take what was given her. And make it better than what they gave her.

Speaker But I I'd be curious if on her show or on the show that we did, if she were really in the room brainstorming, throwing around ideas. I don't believe that was her talent, but. When she got it, she knew what was good. She knew where the heart of the comedy in the heart of the emotion was in that sketch and what the genre was and make it bigger and or pointed out. I just don't think she she was creative in the other way. But I could be wrong.

Speaker Tell me how long that series.

Speaker Oddly enough, it lasted two a day. I went through many permutations. She did loan that she did for a couple of episodes, maybe six episodes. Then she had a repertory company that went for the second half of the season and then a whole other season. It was then canceled.

Speaker And then she tried doing another variety show, a disaster, a disaster.

Speaker It was a disaster of monumental proportions. Because I think this is a flaw in Carol, is that I think she likes to relive the old days. I think that I think that's something that's bad. I think she's sentimental, but she let sentiment get into her work. And you can't get the move ahead. And I think she I think that the Anthologist series was a step ahead and was very creative. You are a little bit of what I think.

Speaker Two of her best friends were Julie Andrews and Burt Reynolds. At the time. And they I think they said, what are you doing this dish? What are you killing yourself? You've got to write this much. It's not that good. This and that. And. So she changed it. Then Julie Andrews went off to do a TV series. Well, that didn't last a season. And then Burt Reynolds went off to do a TV show, and that was no great shakes. Carol shook up the system. She did something that was inventive, a new and creative. And I think she did a pretty great. I think when you look at. Sixty five percent of those shows, they were pretty great, but you got to do it every single week and thirty five percent of them. I think 25 percent of were downright bad. And about 10 of them were. You know why to do this.

Speaker But I think a lot of them were. But we had a sort of a Phifer risk one. We had an English murder mystery. We had did musicals in all different genres, like a take off on Bogart movies, things like that. Very inventive, but hard.

Speaker I think if she were younger, it might have been better. I think if she had Joe. Not that Marcia was wonderful, but Joe could slap people around. And we had Matt Williams, who was very, very strong as a producer, and I think he had his vision and I think Carol had hers. It became too tough, but it sure was. It was daring.

Speaker Yeah, and how was it received critically and, you know, and popular.

Speaker Thing was mediocre and forgettable. Because of its time slot.

Speaker You know what I shouldn't say that I can say not that it was me. I think you meant in terms of how it was.

Speaker Yeah, critically, it was received pretty well. It was a Saturday. Critically, it was received fairly well. The popularity, it was on a Saturday night at a time when NBC didn't own Saturday nights. People watch it. I still get people to this day. Coming up, gone, lady. You know what? I don't know whether you know what I'm doing.

Speaker Jerry Lewis, which is that's so far. I still get people coming up today go, I'm kidding. Or I'm. You know, I'm just. Oh, God. I can't believe I'm doing this.

Speaker Have you seen any of these things at the BBC? And they will not release them. I mean, we're we're working on. You can't even get clip clips. We'll try. I. I have.

Speaker Yes. But but you can't. But I have them in storage. Number one, and I have them on it could be on beta for all I know.

Speaker Boy.

Speaker Yeah, you know, I guess I should sort of want to talk about. About that, I don't think Carol always challenges herself.

Speaker I think she works hard at things like writing a Broadway play. Well, that's that's a great challenge. This is a real challenge. She wasn't used to such a big challenge on TV. Even the Julie Andrews Carol specials may have been big and new at the time. But how challenging was that? It's just another form of what she used to do in the Catskills, or it's just a cabaret act. She was used to the form. This was very different. I think was very difficult on her.

Speaker She won at the Golden Globe people.

Speaker You really can't use the Golden Globes are stupid. In case you don't know, you know about the Golden Globes, they're stupid. They love Carol Burnett. So they're just. At the mean anything you want here. A very sad story. This was this Kilsby. One day we had, you know, the actor Alex Rocco. He played Moe Greene in The Godfather. The guy got his shot. He did a TV series called The Amazing Teddy Z and got a lot of acclaim for it. The show didn't last, but he was quite good playing an agent.

Speaker You asked about what she was like. Like the influence that she had on the.

Speaker On the show since Joe wasn't there.

Speaker She was a little bit of a stranger in a strange land, and I thought that was an interesting thing, that she wanted to be the boss. But she so doesn't have the disposition for being a boss. And when things were in trouble, like a script. She would put on a happy face and be camp counselor and keep us all OK. But it was one example of her suppressing. She was actually feeling and it grew and grew. Now, we did this show on NBC for two seasons and then they canceled it. I don't think they canceled it. Carol pulled the plug. It was too hard, too time consuming. It wasn't what it used to be. And it was a very good show that took a lot of work to make good. And she couldn't do it anymore. So. I hate to say this, Carol. You took the easy way out. And you created another show with the same cast, but it was a variety show and she tried to do exactly what she used to do on Saturday nights with a younger cast. It was it was a disaster. It was awful. And I think that it's because she tried to recapture the past.

Speaker And how did you see that affect me? Was it a huge disappointment for her or was it a tough time?

Speaker No, I don't. I don't think it hit her as I think right away. She didn't mean she didn't stop trying to make a great and we had great guess. We had Marty Short. Chris Reeve was on the show. Oh, it was it was wonderful. Tony Roberts became one of the company members.

Speaker What do I want to say? What was her reaction to it all? The fact that the series didn't last?

Speaker The first series, well, I told you, I don't know whether you're going to put this on. But I think it was Burt Reynolds and Julie Andrews saying this is, you know, her friends saying it's that good. It was very good. And could have gotten better. Talk about not giving it a shot. Carol herself didn't give it a shot to make it get better. We had great writers on the show, people who have gone out to work. You know, Peter Tolan, who, you know, the Larry Sanders. And and we had great, great writers, but it was difficult.

Speaker So in terms of coming to show, I think the anthology was disappointing because I don't think she had it at the time to keep doing it and to working with the producer who we had who had his own vision of what should go on versus what Carol's vision was. I think she threw up her hands and said, this is difficult. It's difficult putting up with the creative powers. Let's cut our losses right now. We gave it a good shot. We deal with other people. We could have done it right with the variety show. I think after two episodes, she saw, you know what? You can't go home again. She's smart. I, I think that I don't I I'm going to go on as far as to say I don't think she was even disappointed. I think she just accepted it and said, you know what? What we had with Harvey and Tim was magic in a bottle. How do you capture that again? You don't. OK. You move on. I think she saw a lot of magic in the anthology, but it was too difficult.

Speaker And like I said, she didn't have Joe. Joe was. Joe must have been great for her. Just great. A strong leader, a strong man. I mean, you go back to what her grandmother was in the house. You know, this is.

Speaker Her grandmother was so strong and let her have a good life in the Catskills. She had people who wrote for her, people who wrote the song that brought her to fame by singing the Estes Kefauver song. This is somebody who she followed and she just went out with her brilliant talent and did what they told her to do. I think Joe and all the right at the brilliant, brilliant, brilliant writers that she had on that Burnett show, she just went out and served them. And it had her name on it. All of a sudden, she's in a spot where. The great people were not there. She didn't trust them. She. She's a girl, you know. She's a girl who needs to trust her friends or us to pull the carpet out from under her. And you know, when God does that to her, when I mean taking away the people who she loves. There is no more brittle girl than Carol. And yet on the other side, there's no stronger girl. And in the past 10 years, she's had to put up with a lot. With a lot. Well, I guess really starting with Rock Hudson, then there was a time. But the loss of Joe. Certainly the loss of Carrie. Oh. I mean, she has had such disappointment. And she you wouldn't know it, but she'd know it. You do know it. You feel for her.

Speaker I just want to ask about you as well. Yes. But I never worked with her on the show. Barely, barely. OK. Yeah.

Speaker And just say, since you were on that show, do you mind saying that she was on and what role she played?

Speaker Do you know that? I don't. OK. She played Helen's mother on the show and. Helen's character is so different than who Carol Burnett was. And Carol's character on the show is actually very different from who Carol was.

Speaker She's such a good actor, so good that I actually I bought it. I really did. But she was pretty strong on that show. And.

Speaker Do you think it was a way of her sort of was a great to see and other words, her sort of reaching a new generation, a new audience through that show or.

Speaker I imagine Carol used to say that she really didn't like the.

Speaker The situation comedy format, the four camera with the laughter and everything like that. She didn't like it. I guess she tried this and I think she must have liked it, but she didn't have to do it all the time. But she never liked that that genre, even those sometimes on talent company, we did one or two that were left out of that drama. She never should have been like that. And I don't know why. Now, did you reach a new generation?

Speaker You know what? In hindsight, OK? She did. But no, that's not why she did it. It was a gig. I believe it was just a job, which is very good. Did you win an Emmy for that? No, I don't. I don't either.

Speaker I'm just saying the name of the series when you were on.

Speaker OK, but what. From what I said before. Right. Did you like. OK. OK. But I was mad about you. She played Helen's mother and she played a character that's very different from what Carol is. But Carol knows that character. And who knows, maybe she was like that at home. She was not like that. She's a very controlling woman on Carolyn Company and. I get it wrong.

Speaker OK, Carol, did a guest spot or was a guest count? You get that? OK. Carole played Helen Hunt's mother on Mad About You. In a character that.

Speaker It's so different from Carol. Very domineering, controlling. That's not how Carol was at all. I guess she knew those people. It was very interesting. I mean, she was wonderful in the role, very realistic. It was a joy to see her do that genre. But I don't think she liked that, which is why she never did that. We don't you know, that every network came to her and said, here we've got this series. She never wanted to do it. Carol likes, forgive the pun, variety. She likes going from this to that to this to that. I remember after one summer, she did the movie noises off. I know maybe she likes the movie, but what I remember is her coming and going. I hated it. She stayed in a hotel in Pasadena, didn't even go home because she was so exhausted at night. She does comedy take after, take after take us.

Speaker What was what a movie is waiting for the lights for two hours to get set up. And she's doing comedy and farce. Closing doors with no laugh track, no no live audience to be a laugh track. And she do a big comedy over and over again. She hated it quick. That's what she like. Never liked more than two takes. Did. On her own show. I think she did one take in the afternoon and then one take an evening. They did two shows. So that's how she likes to work. Well, I want to. I want to. I just wanted to talk about one or two other things. One thing about Carol. Is that she's beloved and everybody loves her. I mean, her home. I mean, it's like us, a warehouse full of gifts. She just gets things Centuri. We used to talk about it must be very difficult to wake up and be Carol Burnett, not the performer, but to have to go out into the world and to be loved. You know, you can be loved by a family, but you can walk down the street, know that you're gonna go home and be loved. Here, everybody. And if she's not in the mood, if something bad happened to her and they come up to her and say how much they love her and, you know, she's heard give us a Tarzan yell 18 times a day, how difficult that must be for her. And she wears it so well and knows her place in the world. It's out. It must be so difficult to be nice all the time.

Speaker Something else is that.

Speaker And I thought about this, Carol could be raunchy and nobody knows just what a dame she can be. And I thought of it. And I think raunchy is filthy with class. She was never filthy. But, boy, she often appreciated it. But she was raunchy. And don't kid yourself. She knows what people think and what they're saying. And she could kill herself. And she used to tell jokes about how would the booth, you know, you know, give us a Tarzan Yalon. One night she just went off and just blew it out of the water. Filth. I understand. I don't know whether you can say this on TV or whether she would like it, but she'll joke about it. Don't kid yourself. She is beyond Carol Burnett. She knows who Carol Burnett is, the product. And she also knows who Carol Burnett that person is. You know, she used to say that she never wanted to were to get married again, that she wanted to have or if she did, she would have this house for her and this house for her husband. You know, she she knows what the world is all about. And I think that that's a that's something we never really saw in her variety show because it just sort of went on and on and on. And it's it's who we say but. By knowing the genres, she knows life till.

Richard Kind
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