Speaker Wow. Well, it was so, you know, you don't know any different when you're a child. So unfortunately, the ones that do have a sad, unfortunate childhood, they think that's what loving is about. And of course, gradually, as I grew up, I began to appreciate how incredible this family that I was blessed to be born into was and is still is. But we had such great parents. There were such a present part of growing up there always. Even when my dad was off working, when he came back, it was so fulfilling. And we played and we sang and we went places together. And very often would they take us, he'd take us out of school and mom would agree. And we'd all go on location and then we take our homework along. Those are the days when you could do that. And it was just a very, very full childhood of a lot of parental love and support. And like I said, when we got older, you could see what you scored and others did not. And ended up always having a lot of friends at our house. It was always a very full house happening home.

Speaker Do you all used to have an effect? That's one of yesterday's shows when you were showing me some of your, I guess, your parents and one picture together that he was talking about Emily living with your mother, the time that your mother would sterilize the city does.

Speaker Oh, titled Time. Yeah. Grandchildren as well. Very. I think we asked Justin what an amazing was his every. And Jeff talks about that a lot. Yeah.

Speaker And we've pair that with a tradition that's been passed down with our children, which is a beautiful thing. And it's very fab. Right. Right about now. This last year. Each one of us is doing that with art. I mean, not not in the way we did when they were little. But now as adults, because we all have adult children and we're doing one on ones, like I think Jeff just went off to some Buddhist retreat with his eldest and Jesse just did. True Grit with Jeff as his personal assistant and Haley and him. Oh, Haley is going to be building working on building a new like studio thing, an old piece of his land in that in Malibu up on the hills. And that's going to be very exciting. So he's Weir and Bode does his things with his kids. And I've got three boys and I'm going up to San Francisco to see my brother play. He's going to be playing with his band that he's teis fulfilling his rock and roll dream, which is really exciting. And we'll give you a little. Oh, my God. Yeah. Grow and with his guitar. Well, oddly enough and interestingly, he would not get in trouble, but my mother would often check on us for doing our homework. Is this what you did in those days with your kids? A lot. And he was always playing the guitar and she would put that down because he is such self-taught and he just loved his his old GooYa. And I think I was aware it was a boy. I remember that. I think correct me if I'm wrong, Jeffrey, one day, but it's a guy or a Martin. But I remember it. I remember that the feeling ever because I used to play on it. He taught me where have all the flowers gone? And a couple other Dylan songs. But he would he would be in his room either playing with this. It was an oil based clay. These are memories are just coming to my mind. And had all these little figurines and they were heads. Brother, you remember, they were had little heads and he's still doing heads. You probably saw a lot of his little heads and in some way he had left over. But these were up on his desk, I remember. And he would change them once in a while. But it was a soft oil based clay. So you would either be doing art or playing music and then wasn't doing great in school.

Speaker And then I'm I'm sure I'm probably gonna be repeating things, but I'll just say is that he he kind of got in with, you know, the wild and fun crazy people and was doing poorly in school time. Ahmadinejad put him in a academy school, you know. What's that called? Has this Brentwood academy, and he had to wear a uniform. OK, here he got into the wild crowd, the wild bunch in and music, musicalized and probably smoking pot and just partying and not doing well in school did very poorly in school.

Speaker So my parents thought that a more stricter, you know, control atmosphere would help him do better in school. So they pulled him out and put him in Brentwood Academy at the time.

Speaker And you had to wear a uniform and marching band and is very strict. And the sucker got A's and B's and did really, really well for a year. And my mom at. Promised if he did well, he could go back to uni. Hi. So sure enough, by I think was 10th grade or eleventh grade. He was back in junior high and then he kind of went, oh, wow.

Speaker But good.

Speaker It's never bad. And I guess from my mother, it was the he kind of did chop them off and I'm sure he will say the same. Jeffrey's an honest man and he said he separated for a while. Like we all did from our parents.

Speaker And he moved out at about 17. I think as soon as he was able to be free, like out of school and he moved out into an apartment and we always hung out together, though we we went through our period of, you know, the torture younger years.

Speaker But then by torture, I just mean the normal brother sister. I'm sure some of it was at the time. Horrible. Yeah, it was. I think it was it was a relief from being tortured by Bo and tormented by Bo for so many years. And now he could kind of release his his thing with me. And it was, you know, ridiculous little things like calling me. And when his friends were over, he'd come, I want to show you this great wild thing. It's really magical. It's really a trip. This one just came and went. And of course, I'm all excited just to even be invited into the room. Right. And and so I think I was I was younger than before the boys started getting interested. I think I was probably about ten or eleven. And so I come in and you put system under what is a God. It's really cool. Just wait. And do you ever heat during that shoe polish heat stuff?

Speaker Well, after about five minutes, you just start to burn and it just terribly it put it all over my arms. And then of course, they got laughed at. It was great. But then if I told this is just an example, small example, if I told, then I would get it worse later, you know, then he'd either pull my arms up and slowly just spit on me or something. I was like brothers, sisters stuff.

Speaker So my point about that was because when he moved out and he became more free and and I became a young teen, then we started to hang out in and have, you know, more grown up finding it was it was very was it when he started realizing you were all his friends.

Speaker And that was a pretty wild that was very interesting time. Yeah, this was great. It was as fun, as fun. I mean, I just I Shantou mentioned being there, but no, I had some good times and and now we're still I'm still friends with a lot of his friends because he's kept many, many of his friends from his youth.

Speaker Yeah. I mean, Bangi is his sister is my but one of my best friends, my dear friends, she lives she's usually with an East Coast girl, but now she moved to Sacramento, married a cowboy.

Speaker Life goes on. Yeah. At what point did he start? Oh, he knows. I didn't I did not know that he's okay. I and it's great. It's great to know this because it's important to get some, as we are seeing as an accomplished creature. Now, we're seeing somebody who is just so really consummate in so many ways that it's great to suddenly just see like anybody, anybody.

Speaker Yeah. I'm always this simple and easy one. No, no. He he definitely the quote that my mother remembers and he remembers we all remember is he basically told my mother, I and my father, I don't dig you guys anymore. I just don't think your company. And that was his truth. And many teenagers feel that and act out in different ways. But he actually communicated it to them. He was going, I think, at the time, to a group called Dawn. It's called Developing Adolescence Without Narcotics. And that counselor, I'm sure he still knows him, if I can, and his name is on the tip of my tongue.

Speaker But he he was a really sweet, neat man. And my mom and dad were good for Caldwell Williams. And he he helped Jeff a lot. But it was a group, you know, where they were really working with kids in those days because it was not talked about as much as it is now. Of course, obviously. But he kind of didn't want to go away from what he was going through. He wanted to go through it. And it's sort of like being sad and sort of being sad. You fight being that he just wanted to be a rebel and go try and do all these things and and be honest about it. And what my parents did with all of us, I think was so great was that he was something as hurtful as that, you know, saying I just don't take your company anymore and I'm out of here.

Speaker They didn't shut the door, you know, and say, I like this on. You're sitting there. They're always there. For him, for all of us. And and thank God, you know, nothing horrific happened to him cut off. I mean, he might say things happened horrific and but I'm like, I'm done.

Speaker But he he was meant to be here and stay. And he also was one of the most. What's a good word for that? When you just honor and respect and adore your parents so much beloved sons. I know. I have hope and feel that my sons, you know, love me as much as as he loved my mom and dad. And so when he came back, he came back with all of himself because he he he never. He didn't do anything half acidly. Jeff doesn't do stuff kind of half. He wants to be somewhere. Where else? Well, that's true. Some of these muddled I better style.

Speaker I actually like you. How is the journey? How is this journey back? Moving back home. Yeah. I mean, so maybe there's other ways here. I mean that's sort of what he went on. I mean, that's heavy duty to any appearance. Yeah. He went on to do a lot of things that, you know, they didn't approve of or say like different relationships or things like that. But but they would always embrace it. I mean, it makes me feel my own, you know, people I would pick to be with for a relationship. And if my mom and dad had an opinion, they might talk once in a while about it privately. But usually they would always embrace our friends and and say, well, if there's something you see in this person, it must be something important for you. You know, whether it's gonna be a good thing that you're gonna come out, you know, it's your Movimento, you know, not control. That's the way you aren't very non manipulative. My mother could be so uptight. No, she's good. Manipulative, funny, manipulate. Very funny.

Speaker Well, at what point you point see start also's that you remember start showing this extraordinary acting ability. And he talks both ways about and has talked both ways by that with us too. Yeah. On one hand, you know, your father said, come on, let's play it.

Speaker Let's play. Yeah, that's beginning.

Speaker And he, you know, on the one hand was imbued of this from your father's great love of what he did. But at the same time, didn't just kind of want to have something happen because he was the father. The son of Jeffrey now is. And yet then and then this is interesting. I think you'll like this. We were talking to Peter Bogdanovich appear to be a very interesting statement that I guess, Jeff, actually, that put in an introduction to the book. He said that there are two kinds of sons. His son, who wants to kill the lovely white sand, who loves his father and the son who wants to kill his father but loves him, wants to kill him because. And he said that Jeff was, of course, the son who didn't ever really want to supersede his father. And Peter felt that they were interesting, certain things that Jeff didn't let happen until after your father.

Speaker And it just gave me the chills. Well. And it's there's a backstory to that. And I understand why Jeff feels that way, because the story we've heard since we were children was that my father was at the top echelon in high school and was captain of the basketball team and head of, you know, what's that other thing that when you are in high school, you know what with the guys, you know, in the old days, they have a knack for I mean, varsity is the. Anyway, he was the top notch dude, right. And then in 12th grade, a stranger came to town and won the big election for the senior class. It was class president deserves a class president. And it crushed my dad. My dad was very competitive. And, you know, that can be a very good way. Many times, like in Tennessee, he was very competitive and not only in sports, but in I think in his career, too. What's such a gentle, too, is such an interesting combination. But I know what Jeffrey means, because as my mother would say, she was an almost.

Speaker She would always say I'm an almost almost a writer. I'm almost a, you know, an actress because she was a wonderful actress, too. She's a wonderful writer, wonderful writer. And but she called herself an almost and my father, while he did, you know, an incredible amount of film and TV.

Speaker He felt he felt he never he never cracked the nut. He never got there.

Speaker And so as kids, we and especially when he got older and they weren't using him as much and then he was so afraid when was starting to get ill and have little episodes that he wasn't gonna get hired anymore.

Speaker And he'd always kind of fib about, you know, being sick or having it ailments or anything like that. So he could work because he he pretty much died working in Mafia. It was you know, my mother begged him not to do that. And they were holding him on his legs down, lying down with this one wonderful guy was holding him up. But it was amazing from when he'd walk out that door and get on that soundstage. He'd turn into a different guy. So he was just impassioned by his work. And it was, you know, honorable and. I know Jeff and I, we all grew up with that. That feeling is it.

Speaker As a minister, a man duty to respect this. Great.

Speaker Yeah. So that that interesting thing about not wanting to be better than that, by better, I mean, it's the whole judgment thing. And it's also luck. It's all, you know, I mean, you all this. Why.

Speaker Why did Jeff win this year, you know. Because of who he was against or did he deserve it? Was it really just that performance? I my little spiritual very nature feels. You know, that was just totally mom and dad just up there just going like little marionettes, making it all happen. And I and when I saw a mix up, I knew I just felt I knew he was going to win this thing from the day he was nominated.

Speaker I not only does he deserve it, I felt, as you know, humbly, but that this was going to happen because that fear thing that you're talking about with Jeff needed to be erased. And he I think he needed to feel that. No, his father does not. He's so proud. I'm so proud of you, my son. You know what you've done.

Speaker And you totally score. You totally deserve this. And so. And he was his teacher. It was this one. He says both of them. Yeah, sure. And he's in so many ways. And and even more than acting business, being a man, you know, being a good man and a kind man, they're they're all just a wonderful kid. I mean, they're beautiful kids. I'm thinking about when I think about my own kids, too, because we pass this down and then are there kids are wonderful kids. And so it's just so neat.

Speaker Like the domino effect. To see that so many generations also happening for us. Oh, yeah. This is just, you know, even just this there's a lot of stories of fathers, sons, famous. All right. But now we've talked to Jordan, who is extraordinary is to really enjoy it. And it is one of those guys, one of those daughters, also Emily and Natalie, that Jesse. What about your kids?

Speaker And usually I have one that is going in that route. He was a stud. He's 30 now. And he that's my eldest. And he had studied to be a hotelier and his father's French. He had know double citizenship could have gone anywhere in the world.

Speaker And he was climbing the ladder, graduated from Vegas hotel school and all that. And he called me one day and said, Mom, you know, you would be okay if I moved home and, you know, followed my my true dream. And he had done a lot of work and school and drama and was always the lead and all that. But his father never thought it was a very good job and unreliable.

Speaker And I haven't seen by comparison to your parents is that this is the book.

Speaker Yeah. Yeah. Well, my mom was kind of. She should definitely want to. Doctors and lawyers in the family. Yeah, kind of. You know. Yeah. That's what she does. She used to say how many how many mothers can say, you know, my my son is a doctor, lawyer and the president sticks. So he's been all but well, that's the beauty of of being an actor, too.

Speaker And once again, you got to follow your bliss and your passion. So I was course very supportive. But, yeah, he's doing that. He's he's doing the waiter slash actor calling. And he's he's very good.

Speaker He's he's the best. I think the handsome lad. Handsome that are. Tell me some more about growing up with you and and about. Well, I also was going to watch this. This really extraordinary career marriage. Because I gave an Academy Award nomination.

Speaker Yeah, that was really exciting in the old days, I used to go, I guess, because it was, you know, not as many people tune, it was less crazy and it was just a sweeter experience. But we were so excited.

Speaker I remember, Wahidullah, I heard him tell a story and I forgot to ask about this. I heard him tell a story on David Letterman about the first Academy Award nomination.

Speaker Your dad said, let's drive on it. Oh, it was sort of like, well, we did the battery car. That's how it was. The electric car. Electric like that. I forget the name of the movie was Greg Kinnear. Oh.

Speaker Well, anyway, I really feel sorry that this is this road trip that everybody. Oh, it was really fun. Girl the beauty queen. Do you remember that? Oh yeah. I know what you're talking about. Yes. Yes. Little Miss Sunshine. Yes. Yes. That would have twant done you. Yes it was.

Speaker It was one of the first electric cars. My dad was very environmentally conscious all his life because, you know, you'd love the ocean and of course this planet, as all of it should.

Speaker But he goes, well, there was a condition. Something about I'm counting how I put it, but I'll go. But can we. It wasn't even a cat. It was some kind of order. Like, you have to go in my electric car. And we all piled in. It was very it was a small little car. And I think, Jeff, even when my friends were all like breathing in this, when we arrived and came out like clowns, you know, it's pretty funny. Those were the days when a lot of things were were different. But, yeah, that was what was very exciting. And I'm not sure if that car experience was the first one.

Speaker And second one was. Well, he said it was. He said it was the first one. I I'm just judging from what he said in this letter, the interview was right before. OK. It was with when he had not yet won. So. Oh, OK. You know, the one of the early. Yeah. OK. And he's a guest. He's the best Oscar nominee now. But he was so it was just sort of that. Yeah. That was it was really fun. And it was also a darling story because on one level you're thinking, well, you were living right here. Wasn't his family right here?

Speaker So was it exactly right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And you always you think they're gonna come in a big limo or something?

Speaker Yeah, but we we had we had a fun time in that little car.

Speaker Is a great naturalness to all of you. I think all three of you. He's a great boundaries. Earth, yes. All of this. And he portrays that sort of character and that that sort of character or that that characteristic, I say is just present, I think, constantly. And, you know, in all of the roles, as varied as they are and the American ness of him is something that I'm really struck by. Very American upbringing. Very American.

Speaker Yeah, yeah. I mean, I've traveled. So I, I can I can agree with you on that. And even just meeting, you know, people from America to cause it when you generalize it like that, like the good American I know you're kind of talking about too, like that kind of Carrie Grant feeling or the old actors from an actor and he kind of he as recombinations doing you back and doing the right time.

Speaker Right answers. You can say he's a kid.

Speaker Times and antics sort of side of him. That and yet and yet at the same time, he's a modernist to him. He has that sort of old movie feeling, and yet he's very much just who he is.

Speaker Yeah, I think that's that was the gift that our parents gave, was letting us really grow and blossom into who we were and not who they wanted us to be. And then just threw in the love fertilizer constantly. So that's why maybe we're also comfortable because we didn't get slapped down for being what they didn't like in it. It's a scary way to go. I think my mom, she was always questioning, but she'd question it with us. Like, am I doing the right thing and kind of brought you into your own upbringing, if you know. And I find myself doing that with my own children. Like just marrying and asking them the same question, like, you know. Do you feel OK about this or, you know. And it's like your part when they say family, you really you really part you're not just for the little person.

Speaker Well, the energy I was also raised tremendous independence and grew to be me. You know, you carry such a gift to gift. And it is. It is it's extraordinary courage on the part of the parent, I think, because you don't know one of the great things that John Goodman said that I love. So, you know, you're kind of good kids. You know, the great sense that we were robbing banks. But I mean, he said our mothers knew where we were.

Speaker Oh, yeah. Yeah. I lived two doors down. Cracking the whip. Yeah.

Speaker All the time. But it is that sort of as hokey as a sort of is it is that kind of be rude, Wally and you fail. Yeah. A lot about Jeff that there is that kind.

Speaker Well you bring up an important thing that I don't want to leave out of this moment is that you know why we're at collating live. The movie star Men in the Family. I think, you know, the mother, the mothering was gigantic in our lives. And the same for Sue. Being who she wasn't, of course, that came out as the big Kouda over, you know, his when because he spoke about her a lot. And I know where I feel he did that because of his experience with our own mom, because she was such a support with my dad and his his joy and his passion, because it is really tough.

Speaker It's it's not an easy life to be married to an actor. And even aside from that, just being a mom, I mean, we don't honor that enough. I don't think, you know, it's a it's the toughest job on the planet and it's a constant, you know, until they they leave a little nest. Big, nasty.

Speaker And he hit this thing I was telling you about that he did, which I. So can we a on this plexiglass. He did Labrinth for me. We were sort of starting like I had done here, that I wanted him to draw a couple of little creatures that I can animate because I went with some animation. And that's so cool. I think it'll be great. Yeah. But then when he did is start. Then he doesn't doodle. Keep going. So he didn't do this at all. And then all of a sudden started throwing paint on the plexiglass. And what he drew was your family. Your mother, your father hit you and bow at him. And the very last thing he did. So you could see this through the Plexiglas. If he walked over and kissed your mother. And it really was genuinely touching. So, yeah, it doesn't not he doesn't not see that he in fact, he even sort of says he feels that he may have.

Speaker And this is what he said in the Chim's I carried with him that the acting chops made more of come from her than from your father.

Speaker Well, that's why I'm probably, you know, feeling that strongly, too, and wanted to get that out, because I think it's very important to acknowledge that it wasn't just, you know, the dad was his teacher, but my mother was an amazing teacher and and the life life coach. Teacher, you know, not. But she was a great act as we got to put that in there. She did do theater with my dad. That's how they met in drama. But, yeah, and I think it's still fresh. And we lost our mom just a couple years ago. So it's a reflective time. It's been very reflective and appreciated. And and then the going on is the next. This next phase of their life and going on and having the children all being leaving and the parents leaving. And this is in our new new journey. So it's it's a reflective time.

Speaker I mean, I guess. Yeah, exactly. In real life.

Speaker Back again to sort of his starting to watch this actor emerge what? Or I don't even know if that's how I want to say this. I guess I was my I was thinking the feeling that you had you your journey is different. Your road is slightly different because you did not. And then. I know. Have you have you pursued acting yourself?

Speaker I did for a while. It was it was once again a different time. And I felt very cattle call about it. I was also long blonde hair, the very typecast. I was a little not a rebel, but I am not a hippie either. But I was kind of like a little floury child, kind of know the bra period and all that. So I thought that was just disgusting when they'd have me get up and walk around and, you know, throw your hair would tell me like to do certain things. And I just it was a meat call to me. I just didn't like that part about it. Didn't work with my. I loved the theater. I love to be on stage because then no one can say anything. And it was different every night. So I did some theater stuff and like I was like, well, that's all an old story. I was I did I think I was about ten when one time when they were doing my my dad and Jeff were doing some theater and we all went together and back east and did the circuit and it was just fab fabulous. And I'd always had a little bit of bug myself, meaning we would play and pretend that was our source of play at home. We would, you know, pretend we were doctors or nurses. And when we had time with our mom, we would take on different roles in life and we could include a friend or not, and we pretend. So I grew up around all that stuff. And and as I would go to rehearsals and I'd go to the theater almost every night or often, I there was a young girl in the play who played Geoff's sister, but she was about four years older than me. And of course, I was you know, she was like 14 to my ten. So I was not jealous, but I just I wanted to be older so I could have done that part. And she got ill and there was no understudy for some reason that night. And they were concerned. And Dad come home and said, you all are concerned because Maureen is ill and I can do it.

Speaker I can do it.

Speaker I know all the lines. And they they kind of liked it. Really, really. And then they did a run-Through. And sure enough, I, I knew it all and I just, you know, pick up out there and they had a fabulous time and it it got under my skin and I that's that wasn't a young age. And then when Dad would did the same thing he did with the boys, I would get like British shows. And I was going to do a sea hunt when I was little but seven. But I got a cold and my mother wouldn't want I had to be once again. And it was another cave moment. Jeffs was in a cave to Peter. She didn't want me to go because I recalled. So I missed out on a sea venue. But I did Lloyd Bridges show and The Loner. So my dad would always throw us in and he wanted me to get in the business. And he used to say, my daughter. I remember on different areas, my daughter's the best of all. But she wants to be a one or she's an artist. He would always call me the artist, which, you know, I'm I don't have any regrets about not being an actress. And I sometimes tease, but maybe it's not I don't know. I'm taking it like day by day. But I think, you know, they always need middle aged women and grandmothers in theater, I hope will never die. And I might get my little butt back up there. I, I talk about it once in a while with friends, you know, who in the theater and stuff tastes better.

Speaker Well, when did you see thing is at sea, for goodness sake. It's so huge.

Speaker I mean, they're showing it now again. See if I felt this way because every one of us everywhere was watching it. We all remember it. Yeah. We all like anybody.

Speaker You bring this up with my pals and everybody knows. So it was huge, gigantic, huge. And everybody loves it and everybody remembers it so and always with CNN, you know, so it's always around.

Speaker I used to go on the Narwee and different what were they called conventions actually. Yeah. With all the divers who would come from all over the world. And when I would go later in life in my 20s, we'd have just a blast because my mother enjoyed the tennis circuit and I enjoyed, of course, the ocean because I must see Ocean Girl.

Speaker So we would have these amazing adventures and I'd be my dad's, you know, like date companion. And we would go to the Caribbean and follow you all over the place, these exotic bass. And my point being is that he was mobbed, mobbed by these guys who he changed their lives from when they were young boys. And now they they're these marine biologists and scientists and divers. And you brought it into their living room. Yeah. So it was really inspiring when you think very ever, actually.

Speaker But if I ever really either because you were dealing with that allows you to put a little.

Speaker Season. Yeah. See you next week. And remember. Oh, that's right. I have a buddy. I swear by the code of the whole film.

Speaker When all is said and done. Oh, yeah. My Belzoni. Don't do this alone.

Speaker I think it would be really great. The interesting thing is those you know, at our age, of course, we remember. I mean, and friends you talked to, but you bring it up to kids like my youngest, like he's 19 or something. And those guys, they most of them remember airplane and stuff like that. But I we were just trying to get our dad something. Not trying to get. Actually, yeah. It was I think Dad had to audition for Tucker. And he's the he said he's not. Oh. What was it that he was playing. Said something when he told me. He's not a comedian or he you know, he just does TV. And Jeff just, you know, cracked up and said, you know, my dad did years. And, you know, because those guys, you know, they're scoring that the picture are in their, you know, 30s or something or 20s. And they don't really remember how much, you know, or the history of of what my dad had done because he you know, he had such an amazing theater background. And their story is fascinating. My parents, their their struggles and their their gains and really appreciated, you know, went through all the valleys of life close to the.

Speaker Also known as Papaji said. And you saw. And I'm wondering if this has something to do with this period of time when he was feeling that he needed to get out of this whatever, he didn't want to feel that he'd gotten parts or roles or jobs because of his. Yeah, I'm sure this against Kerry was a lot of a lot of ambivalence on both sides.

Speaker Mm hmm.

Speaker Yeah, I think that just, you know, became his his story. I mean, that was that's just the way it was, because, you know, as a kid, you don't like my son, Marcel. He doesn't really want any help. It's they want to do it on their own or some kids, other kids, you know, they want to use this and other ones, you know, like once again, everyone there. Each kid is different. And Jeff, he didn't really know what he wanted to be. Oh, I hate to say it could be that. So ridiculous. He when you have so many gifts, I mean, we've talked about this is brother and sister and you are so blessed like we were. And when you do go out there and see the poverty in the world and you see the suffering and and even in a million families or friends, when it's so disappointing how they've had to grow up and the hatred in the family and you start to feel guilty that you that you or a shame or not a shame, but guilty, I guess, is the word Jewish killed my grip. My my my godparents were Jewish and we have a lot of Jewish friends, so we know the guilt word well. And but, you know, what can I do to help the world and make it a better place? Because I was given this incredible gift of this family, you know, and you want the family of a man you know, you want to emanate that throughout the world. What can I do? And so I think when you have that in your heart, Oveson, these gifts start coming to you like a blessings of being able to express yourself better. He has all these gifts of art of in in so many venues, photography, drawing and then communication skills. And as you know, you can see when he does speak on talk shows or talks with strangers, when you're around, he he becomes what is it's like almost not osmosis, but it's a comedian like he's. Yeah. Yeah. He changes to to make the whole thing come together. It it's. And then the words on the tip of my tongue. He I want to say I don't want to say morphs but he, he, he becomes what he needs to sort of like, like an actor would cause you know, God knows we do act every day of our lives but instead of fighting against it, I guess that's what I'm trying to say. He he will he will do what needs to be done to make it comfortable for everybody. And then if he can't, he'll leave you look.

Speaker But for the most part, he he does. He tries. And my father was like that, too. And that's that's the example thing.

Speaker You know, as Jeff would say, he brought great joy on the set when he would come. And the makeup person is just as important as the group and the director and the producer. And everyone was you know, there was no class thing going on. So I probably went up at about ten different tangents.

Speaker You can tell us a nice fat face. I if you go his way near, always look at Yemen. There's no here here yet.

Speaker We have to try to get some of those pictures. I did bring a scrapbook, but no, he went through all you see, it was I probably from about 10 to 14 maybe. And we t all course we teased him later about it and he could care less. He gets a kick out of it. But he he, he got kind of chubby and had this little you know, they had the little butch quiff thing going on in those days and the plaid shirts and he was you go chunky. Cause I was junky too. We were all her little chunky periods. And I love Bo had the great jelly roll. You know, he was in Venice High, rolled his pants and had the loafers. Penny was interesting, the 50s. You know, it was interesting time, but yeah, he had he had that little awkward period.

Speaker Interesting place to go. Also, my vista going up in the middle, it's kind of also this this ethos, which is the West Coast and the West Coast at that time.

Speaker I love that neighborhood, at least in those days. It was wonderful. It's very. Where they called when she tells us track housing was track outsing and it was very happy and safe. And you walk to school and bike to school and your friends were right next door.

Speaker That's what I mean about this Americanness. Yeah. Have very mad when I say an American type after.

Speaker I don't mean although he does play the sort of cowboy western thing and the fat drunk and the dude and the more American in the area. He's a very diverse man.

Speaker But I mean, it's but he he has about him something that I think this is what is what is the glue really is that I think there's a huge swath of the audience, men, women, old, young, who look at this and identify.

Speaker Relate. Yes. Definitely not the world. Or want to you know, you don't have it when I say don't have it. I mean, they don't they. It's like. It's like seeing, you know, a wonderful cartoon or movie or even a National Geographic. And you want to go you want to be there because it's so beautiful and wonderful. And he allows you to visit intimate parts of him, which most people don't date. So he does the opposite. He's kind of all about being open and intimate.

Speaker And that comes out, I think, in his work, you know, whether he's the president or the or the dude and he's not afraid.

Speaker Now, be pretty out there. Pretty raw, pretty ugly, pretty heavy on level, do you think? Well, we were talking about Thailand just now with Chris, which is one of the kind of more almost Chocobo movies where you're just sitting and watching him shoot heroin and use this with his daughter, with his child. And this is Jeff Bridges, right? Right. Yes. It's just only maybe a year before he played president. I think that's within. Right. Right. All right.

Speaker Now. Yeah. No, my thought was going through my mind when you're talking about just the irony of.

Speaker It's.

Speaker It's so wonderful to own that quality, but it's also makes you very vulnerable.

Speaker And. And so that balance of existing and real in will. And I say real high. I mean, so many things. Spiritually, materially. Your consciousness has to be in both places at one time. It's that it's a very tricky balancing act. And to do it well and catch the wall each time. And he will drop the ball sometime, you know, like we all do. We're all human. But he is very he's beginning not a beginning. He has been trying to master this juggling act because it's it's a gift he's been given. And instead of thinking I'm so I'm so humble lives because of this gift, which is very easy to do when you are gifted like that and turn it even maybe into something, you know, like an ego or something like that. But he is remaining in this learning state constantly and being remaining open, which is just really beautiful. And like you say, it opens up to everybody. It's not just that the youth are you know, it's it's everywhere. And you don't you don't see trash on this guy. You know, you just you don't know.

Speaker And this versity, namesake's and everything, even you can take a really down stoner, whatever you wanna call this type care. And he can play his very elevated, lofty professor. Whatever he has Huemer, he has Pavel's I mean, he really. I love that. He loves the comedy tragedy.

Speaker Yeah. I think Reggie I come Madea. It's like the his famous little picture things he always does. Yeah. Which is that's the epitome of pretty much who he is. I think those when he came up with that it was just so Jeff, you know, because that's that's what life it is. It's tragedy. Come Madea. That's a real word. I think he writes that on their tragedy because that's what we are or where this note is that in a second.

Speaker Yep. Do we want to. Do you want to think about this? And we think. Do you want to. Because it might. Do you want to just talk about things that have emerged in.

Speaker I can just look down and say, this was that, and then you can just pick and pull or something because there'll be you're going to turn it around the other way.

Speaker You sort of work. Yeah. Do you mind if this and we can do that.

Speaker Does that come out? Does it come out like that? If you send it to me. All kinds of things. Right. Yeah. But this one we here is it gives me this context. And the crazy little missing ones. My dad convinced sticks. OK, see, this is the Wayne Newton period. Yeah, I see it. That's when I saw it. Where'd you get this.

Speaker Oh, you want it the other way. Because I could be like showing obviously I'm talking to somebody. But you want me. Because then I'll be upside down. Well, you're gonna get the pictures. OK. OK. Yes. You just start and you can look at things. I'll probably get confused. I'm looking upside down. Anyway, my brain, the other part is hard.

Speaker But in the end, if you just give me until now start to talk about it, then we'll be fine. So I used the answer, starting your phone. Lovely.

Speaker Oh, they are all different.

Speaker That's a great surprise.

Speaker I mean, it's really it's very interesting to see who and how each of you. He did. When we were when you when he found the journal, who was reading little aspects of it already.

Speaker Oh, yeah. That one was read. So glad he found it. Me too. It was so worried about it.

Speaker One thing he found was your mother writing. We just had to have a conversation with Jeff. He then he read it. We didn't put it in his head, but he read it out loud. I said, we're not really happy with how he's.

Speaker Right.

Speaker Oh, during that period. Oh, yes. Yes, she was worried. And just, you know, I went through that with my it's like repeat. Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course. Do you have children? I know my mother, but I.

Speaker Were you a bad girl or. I was, but I always go through that alienation period. Yeah, you have to. Of course. I think if you don't. Yeah. I said I didn't. I didn't either.

Speaker And I remember having a fight with my mother in which I just turned around and said, go to hell. And my father came at me. Oh. Oh dear. Sweet. Your mother like that ever. And of course would never do that again.

Speaker I mean, and. Oh yes. Yes. I remember the line I used. I had a line too. I was so upset with her. She was rag and I like she she was rag on my dad about getting chopping down at the mountains and she chopped down a Christmas tree that was misshapen. He said, I'll be fine. You put it against the wall. And I said she had. I said, you have the brain or the mind of a pea. And with that, she locked herself in her bedroom. And we had a big fight, all that. But I and my in-laws were there, actually, I was when I was first married. I guess it wasn't that young, but I would when we would get into it, you know, once in a while. But that's that thing about becoming women. And, you know, your mom is. Yes, she is. Yeah. So tell us. OK. So some of these pictures. All right. Let's see here. This is this is when Jeff was probably about one. Looks about one there. Bo is a little cub scouter. Here's another sweet one of Jeff and Bo. I love this picture because it really shows the vibe of where we lived in my vista, which was track housie. And I'm I'm also if I get really close on this, when you do look at it, I remembered Jeff had been hit with a rock and between the eyes by this one kid, and he almost swirled together. And Bo, of course, has his pachuco. But Changa there he was in Venice for his old Argyle socks. And I love this shot. This is of, you know, always going and visiting Santa when Santa would come. And I have the look of fear.

Speaker It's there.

Speaker And Jeff has the smirk of there's no Santa. And this was in our house. Classic 50 shot the three of us. And I love this picture. This is Jeff and his saddle shoes and his little trunks and his cute little belly. Most love that. His little shaved head. I think my dad actually used to get hit. You know, those old fashioned buzzers. And he got a big kick out of buzz in the boy's heads. And here's another great one over here. The cowboy shirts were always big in those days. I love this shot to this end, Jeff.

Speaker He looks like he's doing some little mime act here and both looking at him like, what did he do? But that one's a cute one. And let's. Oh, and this is the famous Emmett Kelly. This is in Hawaii.

Speaker And this is an interesting period.

Speaker We called it. Jeff's Wayne Newton period, probably from the age of about nine to 14 or 13. And he had his quit going on. It is his little chubby cheeks and his I.D. race. I got to remember that I.D. bracelet. He loved it. Oh, yeah. He's feeling cool. He is. He was sporting his thing. And let's see if I have some other goodies in here. Here's Jeffie when he was a little sweet new baby. That's our brother Garrett, who passed away from SIDS.

Speaker And my parents were very active in that later in the year because they suffered a lot during that period and no one really ever talked about it or acknowledged it. But we've always honored our little brother and freely talked about him. And my mother always felt that Jeff came back to her, actually, because it took her quite a while to get pregnant again, because, of course, it's devastating. But she said they looked exactly the same or felt that the aliens, which they did and I think they do look quite a bit the same. And she was she also said she was amazed that Jeff turned out OK because she slept with him right. Like this and kept poking him all the time to make sure he was breathing. Poor thing. But, yeah, they. She didn't let him out of her sight. And then Kris went on to have me. And then I think in the back of my mind, what if they only wanted three children? But that that's a fateful thing. You never know. But he had another journey. Sweet. GARRETT Yes. Jeffrey with his teddy bear, he's showing a little leg in that way. And. Oh. Piano lessons. We had lessons from when we were very small. That was in the days when I guess they still come to the house. But Mrs. Newman and we all took piano lessons and I think all of us regret not having taken longer and dropping it. And my mother, you know, she was very strict about practicing your piano and then doing your homework. And we always want to go out and play cause we got off from school. We had practiced piano. And now, of course, very, very happy that we had those lessons. And what a gift. This is a great Malibu beach shot. We my dad got that house down at the beach, which we still have as a family house, and go down there with other kids.

Speaker And that's from those days, 1959. Wow. And that's if we have any other exciting stuff here. Oh, this is this. This is from the play. You see that when we did the theater thing.

Speaker But you see my dad, my mom and my dad.

Speaker See if I find anything else in here. I just really threw this in.

Speaker I just show you that with that one so cute, I won that contest with my daddy. My mom made that. This was a roaring 20s. Well, because it's not about Cheb.

Speaker I was just saying it's a cute picture. So these might be dead.

Speaker Oh, yeah. So it's a long way.

Speaker Oh, here it is. Yeah. Okay, so I should pull up. Yeah. This was a very good shot, though. But anyway, yeah, that's Dad at the door and we're of course, greeting him in our little seen moment. But yeah, we're both brother and sister in that.

Speaker And it was just so fun, so fun to do this one with thing before this fabulous baker boys.

Speaker So funny you say that I watched it again when I was working on my sculpture.

Speaker Yes. Yes, I know.

Speaker And I was clicking and, you know, pausing and then I. Oh, oh my brose. I haven't seen that in about five years because every once while I watch it again when it comes on the thing or portions of it and goes my one of my favorite scenes when I have two favorite scenes, one when I'm sure, but I don't know boatel that story.

Speaker But I actually broke his hand and I looked at it really closely. I wanted to see if Bo's face is reacting like is it giving him some kind of signal? Are you really breaking my my heart? You're really breaking my hand, rather, you know, because he really threw him up against that fence.

Speaker And as you know, he broke his hand, but it was all in me. I'm sure, Jeff, that it was hacked. Well, they'd tell it differently. Yeah. Jeff says he's getting back at him, that they didn't have safeword and below they did. And he kept saying, hey, I'll see. Oh, yeah. Europe hurty. I agree. I thought it was very interesting. There's another one about chest hairs.

Speaker I think that was with my dad. Yeah. That's right. But I forget. Yeah. Because, yeah, you should have a safe word in it because you get lost in your battal the others see. Oh the other scene that I was when you know he's gonna be leaving and he goes back to the Turbo's house and. And they have that. And it was so beautiful that they allowed my older brother to do it. I can't believe they were gonna go with somebody else. And once again, it's like that same thing I said about dad that, you know, they felt, oh, he's more of a TV guy and it's just ridiculous. First of all, what you know, your brother, you know, playing your brother is so beautiful. And I think it's one is probably the best movie, the oil. I've, you know, I've seen and I think he's just fabulous in it. And the chemistry between love is his library brother.

Speaker And it made the film great.

Speaker The Brothers. And then again. Oh, yeah. So great. And how great. I mean, that's the beauty of having acting families. We have all these precious memories on film to watch from when you're young. All is just so great. So great.

Lucinda Bridges
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