>>> TONIGHT ON "METROFOCUS,"

BRIDGING WITH DIVIDES, PROVIDING

OPPORTUNITY AND PROMOTING

EQUALITY.

FOR OVER 100 YEARS THE URBAN

LEAGUE HAS UPHELD THOSE VALUES

AND NOW IT'S LOOKING TOWARD THE

FUTURE.

IT'S PRESIDENT, MAYOR MIKE

MORIALE IS HERE.

>>> A PUPPY DIES ON A FLIGHT

AFTER BEING PLACED IN THE

OVERHEAD COMPARTMENT.

>>> JUVENILE OFFENDERS STUCK IN

THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM.

WNYC TAKES US INTO THE LIVES OF

THESE YOUNG OFFENDERS TO SHARE

WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THEY GET

CAUGHT.

>>> AND CARLOS SANTANA JOINS US

TO TALK ABOUT A LEGEND IN HER

OWN LIGHT.

>>> ALL THAT AND MORE AS

"METROFOCUS" STARTS RIGHT NOW.

>>> THIS IS "METROFOCUS" WITH

RAFAEL P. RAMON, JACK FORD, AND

JENNA FLANNIGAN.

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS

PROVIDED BY --

>>> FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM IS

ALSO PROVIDED BY THE JPB

FOUNDATION AND THE FORD

FOUNDATION.

>>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO

"METROFOCUS," I'M RAFAEL P.

RAMON.

>>> THE FORMER NEW ORLEANS MAYOR

HAS BEEN AN ENTREPRENEUR, AN

ATTORNEY, A LEGISLATOR AND FOR

THE PAST 14 YEARS THE PRESIDENT

AND CEO OF THE NATIONAL URBAN

LEAGUE.

IN A CAREER THAT HAS SPANNED

OVER A QUARTER CENTURY, MORALE

HAS TACKLED SOME OF THE MOST

DIFFICULT SOCIAL ISSUES, AND

AUTHOR OF "CHASING THE DREAM,"

HE JOINS US TO TELL US ABOUT THE

CHALLENGES OF TODAY.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> I WONDER IF YOU COULD TALK A

LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE

NATIONAL URBAN LEAGUE?

>> THE NATIONAL URBAN LEAGUE

STARTED IN 1910.

WE HAVE A CIVIL RIGHTS MISSION,

WE FOCUS OUR WORK IN AMERICA'S

URBAN COMMUNITIES, IN CITIES

ACROSS THE NATION, WE SERVE AND

PROVIDE SERVICES TO ALMOST 2

MILLION PEOPLE A YEAR.

WE HELP PEOPLE FIND JOBS, WE

HELP PEOPLE BECOME HOMEOWNERS,

WE HELP YOUNG PEOPLE GO TO

COLLEGE THROUGH THESE PROGRAMS

AND DIRECT SERVICES AGENCIES

ACROSS THE NATION.

>> I HEARD YOU SPEAK AND YOU

TALKED ABOUT SPECIFIC DIVIDES.

YOU TALKED BE IT THE DIGITAL

DIVIDE.

YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CAPITAL

DIVIDE.

>> THE CAPITAL DIVIDE, LET ME

TALK ABOUT THAT FIRST, BECAUSE

WITH THE NATIONAL URBAN LEAGUE,

WE PUT A LOT OF FOCUS ON SMALL

BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.

WE FOCUS ON MINORITY OWNED

BUSINESSES AND WOMEN OWNED

BUSINESS.

WE HAVE ALSO CREATED A

PARTNERSHIP LOAN FUND, IN

PARTNERSHIP WITH MORGAN STANLEY,

THAT RIGHT NOW IS FUNCTIONING IN

CLEVELAND, WITH EXPAND, IN

FLORIDA, BROWARD COUNTY, AND

AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMEN OWNED

BUSINESS, THEY STRUGGLE BECAUSE

THEY DON'T WORK HARD, NOT

BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE BUSINESS

ACUMEN, BUT BECAUSE THEY DON'T

HAVE ACCESS TO CAPITAL.

SO INSTEAD OF ADVOCATING ABOUT

IT, TELLING THE BANKS TO DO

MORE, WE HAVE DECIDED TO BRING

THE BANKS TOGETHER AND OTHER

NONPROFITS TOGETHER TO CREATE

THIS LOAN PROGRAM.

>> YOU WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL AT

THAT.

WHAT CAN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DO?

>> THEY CAN BRING STAKE HOLDERS

TOGETHER.

A MAYOR CAN BRING BANKS TOGETHER

REQUEST THE SMALL BUSINESS

COMMUNITY.

AND A MAYOR CAN USE HIS BULLY

PULPIT AND POWER OF PERSUASION

TO ENCOURAGE THE BANKS TO LOAN

MORE.

>> TALK ABOUT THE DIGITAL

DIVIDE.

AND WHAT IS IT DIEDING?

>>

>> RIGHT NOW IF YOU DO NOT HAVE

IDEALLY, A CELL PHONE WITH BROAD

BAND ACTIVITY AND YOU DON'T HAVE

A DESK TOP OR A HOME COMPUTER,

YOU'RE GOING TO MISS OUT.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE

TO -- YOUR KIDS ARE NOT GOING TO

BE ABLE TO DO THEIR HOME WORK,

YOU CAN'T APPLY FOR A JOB, YOU

CAN'T ACCESS CITY SERVICES.

SO THE DIGITAL DIVIDE IS A

SERVICE TO COMMUNITIES THAT DO

NOT HAVE HIGH SPEED BROAD BAND

CONNECTIVITY.

THE DIGITAL DIVIDE GOES BEYOND

THAT.

THE DIGITAL DIVIDE ALSO GOES TO

WHO IS ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF

THIS WIDE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.

>> THOSE OF ALL COLORS ARE ON

THE LOSING SIDE OF THAT DIVIDE.

>> IT'S INTERESTING, PEOPLE OF

COLOR, THE PENETRATION OF CELL

PHONES IS HIGHER FOR THEM,

PARTICULARLY FOR YOUNG BLACKS

AND YOUNG LATINOS THAN IT IS FOR

THE MAIN STREAM, BUT WHEN YOU'RE

TALKING ABOUT THE MORE PRIZED,

TREASURED ASSET, WHICH IS A

COMPUTER AT HOME THAT HAS BROAD

BAND CONNECTIVITY AND POWER TO

DO THINGS, PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE

LOST BEHIND, AND SOMETIMES

PEOPLE IN RURAL COMMUNITIES ARE

LEFT BEHIND.

BUT I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH JUST

CLOSING THAT DIVIDE.

I THINK THAT THE COUNTRY NEEDS

TO ENSURE, IN THIS VAST NEW

OCEAN OF OPPORTUNITY, WHICH IS

WHAT THE DIGITAL ECONOMY IS,

THAT THE JOB OPPORTUNITIES, THAT

THE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES THAT

IS CHANCE TO TRULY, TRULY

BENEFIT, GROW COMMUNITIES, HAS

TO BE BROADLY SHARED.

THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE

FOCUSING ON THAT, THE PRIVATE

SECTOR SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON

THAT, THE URBAN LEAGUE IS

ABSOLUTELY FOCUSING ON THAT.

>> AS YOU KNOW, A LOT OF

PROGRESSIVE ORGANIZATIONS, THEIR

POSTURE TOWARDS THE TRUMP

ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN

RESISTANCE AND OF SITUATION.

THE NATIONAL URBAN LEAGUE,

WHAT'S BEEN YOUR POLIPOLICY?

>> WE WILL RESIST ANY POLICY

UNDERTAKEN BY ANYBODY THAT

OFFENDS OR IS AGAINST OUR VALUES

OUR PRINT APPROCIPLES AND OUR M.

BUT WE WILL APPROACH THINGS AS

IF WE HAVE NO PERMANENT FRIENDS

AND NO PERMANENT ENEMIES.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY WE'RE

ENTERING A TIME OF LOW TOLERANCE

OF ALL KINDS.

>> IT'S REGRETTABLE THAT THAT'S

THE CASE.

THE NUMBER OF HATE CRIMES HAVE

SPIKED IN THE UNITED STATES.

HATE AND BIGOTRY ARE

INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT AMERICA'S

ABOUT.

WE HAVE TO OPPOSE IT.

I THOUGHT THAT AFTER

CHARLOTTESVILLE, YOU SAW A BROAD

ORCHESTRA OF VOICES, FROM A

BUSINESS COMMUNITY, FROM THE

RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY.

AND ALL THESE ARE LED THE CIVIL

RIGHTS ACTIVISM.

AND ALSO, CALLED THE PRESIDENT

TO TASK ON HIS LACK OF CLARITY.

THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT POINT FOR

THE NATION.

>> MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH

FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>>> AND UPDATE ON THE TRAGIC

STORY OF COCHITO.

THAT'S THE 10-MONTH-OLD FRENCH

BULLDOG AFTER A UNITED AIRLINES

FLIGHT ATTENDANT FORCED ITS

OWNER TO PLACE THE PUPPY IN AN

OVERHEAD BIN ON A FOUR-HOUR

FLIGHT.

THERE'S BEEN A CRY FOR JUSTICE

BY ANIMAL LOVERS ALL ACROSS THE

COUNTRY AND IN WASHINGTON,

LAWMAKERS ARE LISTENING.

A REPUBLICAN AND A DEMOCRAT HAVE

BRO INTRODUCED LEGISLATION THAT

WOULD PROHIBIT STORING ANIMALS

IN OVERHEAD DEPARTMENTS.

AND THERE'S BEEN A CALL FOR A

CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO

COCHITO'S DEATH AND HAS

INTRODUCED A PET PASSENGER BILL

OF RIGHTS THAT SHE'S CALLING

COCHITA'S LAW, TO TALK ABOUT

THAT AND OTHER STEPS SHE

BELIEVES NEEDS TO BE TAKEN TO

STOP THESE ANIMAL DEATHS IN THE

SKY, IS THE SENATOR.

SENATOR, THE BILL THAT WILL BE

INTRODUCED IN WASHINGTON, YOUR

PROPOSED LEGISLATION WOULD BAN

AIRLINES FROM PUTTING ANIMALS,

ANY LIVING CREATURE IN OVERHEAD

COMPARTMENTS.

WHAT ELSE DOES YOUR BILL DO?

>> IT'S, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY

WOULD -- WHENEVER THEY PLACE A

PET, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, THEY

WOULD HAVE TO HAVE FOOD FOR THE

PET AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE

WATER, MEDICINE, JUST IN CASE

SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THEY HAVE

TO BE IN A PLACE WHERE THE ROOM

TEMPERATURE CAN BE CONTROLLED.

AND BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE

FIRST TIME THAT IT HAS HAPPENED,

COCHITO BOUGHT A PLANE TICKET,

JUST LIKE A REGULAR PERSON AND

IF THEY MAKE YOU PAY TO TAKE

YOUR PET, WHY WOULD THEY NOT

TAKE CARE OF YOUR PET?

AND PETS SHOULD NOT BE PLACED IN

A LUGGAGE COMPARTMENT.

>> BUT SENATOR, THERE'S BEEN A

BIT OF A BLOW BACK TO PROPOSED

LEGISLATION FOLLOWING COCHITO'S

DEATH.

AND ONE OF THE CRITICISMS IS,

LOOK, EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID,

NOT PUTTING A LIVING CREATURE IN

AN OVERHEAD BIN, SOMEBODY WHO

NEEDS A LAW NOT TO DO THAT,

SHOULDN'T BE WORKING AS A FLIGHT

ATTENDANT IN THE FIRST PLACE,

RIGHT?

OR ANY OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT

YOU'RE PROPOSING.

AND ANOTHER CRITICISM HAS BEEN

THAT WHEN YOU INTRODUCE

LEGISLATION IN THE MIDST OF AN

EMOTIONAL EVENT LIKE THIS, IT

TENDS TO CREATE UNINTENDED

CONSEQUENCES.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THESE

CRITICISMS?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S EMOTIONAL.

I THINK AS ELECTED OFFICIALS,

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.

THIS IS A YOUNG MOTHER WITH A

1-MONTH-OLD BABY, AND WE ALL

KNOW HOW IMPORTANT PETS ARE TO

FAMILIES.

SOME PETS CAN SERVE AS -- SOME

PETS ARE THERAPEUTIC PETS.

WE KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE A SENIOR

CITIZEN, LIVING ALONE, JUST THE

IDEA OF HAVING A COMPANION PET,

WHAT THAT CAN DO FOR YOU.

I DON'T THINK THE BILL I HAVE

INTRODUCED TODAY.

AND LAST YEAR I INTRODUCED A

BILL ALLOWING SENIORS THAT LIVE

IN PUBLIC HOUSING TO BE ABLE TO

HAVE A PET.

SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS

EMOTIONAL.

I THINK AIRLINES ARE VERY

POWERFUL, THEY MAKE A LOT OF

MONEY AND IT'S JUST -- IT SHOULD

JUST BE COMMON SENSE THAT YOU

DON'T PUT A DOG IN A LUGGAGE

COMPARTMENT CHLZ.

>> IT SHOULD BE COMMON SENSE.

SOME LAWMAKERS HAVE CRITICIZED

THE FAMILY WHO OWNED COCHITO FOR

ACT KWEE YEZING TO THE FLIGHT

ATTEND DANTD.

BUT THAT BRINGS UP THE

FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION YOU ALLUDED

TO, THE POWER OF THE AIRLINES?

>> FROM 2015 TO 2017 THERE HAVE

BEEN 85 PETS THAT HAVE DIED ON

AIRLINES.

THAT'S 85 PETS.

I MET WITH COCHITO'S FAMILY, AND

SHE WAS CARRYING A 1-MONTH-OLD

BABY ON A PLANE, ANY PARENT

THAT'S BEEN ON A PLANE WITH TWO

SMALL CHILDREN, THEY KNOW HOW

DIFFICULT THAT IS.

WHEN I MET WITH STEPHANIE, SHE

SAID I MET WITH THE GUY ON

UNITED AIRLINES, HE WAS DRAGGED

OUT SIMPLY FOR CAASKING A

QUESTION, SO SHE DIDN'T WANT TO

BE DRAGGED OFF FOR NOT

COMPLYING.

SO SHE FELT LIKE AIRLINE

STEWARDESS WAS GOING TO HAVE HER

DRAGGED OFF.

SO THE PEOPLE ON THE PLANE

TALKED ABOUT HOW SHE KEPT

SAYING, MY DOG IS BARKING, MY

DOG IS BARKING, MY DOG IS NOT

ALL RIGHT.

AND THEY DIDN'T LISTEN TO HER.

>> WHAT CAN YOU DO AS A

LAWMAKER, WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT

PETS, AND EVEN HUMAN BEINGS ARE

OFTEN MISTREATED, WHERE FLIGHT

ATTENDANTS ARE ACTING AS

BOUNCERS ON AIRLINE FLIGHTS.

>> THE AIRLINES ARE FEDERALLY

REGULATED AND WE ARE LOOKING

VERY HARD WITH OUR TEAM FOR WHAT

WE CAN DO WHO ARE FLYING NOT

ONLY OUT OF JFK AND LAGaGUARDIA

BUT ANY OTHER STATE IN THE STATE

OF NEW YORK.

I SOMETIMES FLY TO THE DOMINICAN

REPUBLIC, I KNOW SOMETIMES THEY

CANCEL MY FLIGHT, OR THERE'S NO

FOOD ON THE PLANE, OR ANY

QUESTIONS THAT YOU -- KIND OF A

FRIGHT TO ASK FOR ANY QUESTIONS

FROM THE AIRLINES BECAUSE YOU

THINK THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE YOU

OUT AND YOU'RE GOING TO MISS

YOUR FLIGHT.

>> SENATOR, THANK YOU FOR

JOINING US, WE'LL SEE WHAT

HAPPENS NEXT.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING

ME.

>>> JUVENILE DETENTION CENTERS

ARE HARD TO DIFFERENTIATES FROM

THAT OF ADULT PRISONS, BUT

AMERICAN CHILDREN ARE CAUGHT IN

THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM FOR WHICH

THERE REALLY IS NO ESCAPE.

ALL TOO OFTEN WHEN RELEASED,

THEY HAVE THE LINGERING SHAME

THAT WILL LAST THROUGH THEIR

ENTIRE ADULT HOOD.

NOW A SHOW CALLED THE LIVES OF

CRIMINAL JUSTICE, WNYC TAKES

VIEWERS BEHIND BARS FOR JUVENILE

OFFENDERS.

KYLE, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> THIS IS A REALLY HEAVY

SUBJECT.

>> IT IS, IT IS.

>> TELL ME FIRST, WHAT IS THE

DIFFERENCE THAT MOST PEOPLE

DON'T UNDERSTAND BETWEEN ADULT

AND JUVENILE SYSTEMS?

>> THERE ISN'T A BIG DIFFERENCE

IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.

THERE'S BEEN A LONG HISTORY IN

THE UNITED STATES OF TRYING TO

DIFFERENTIATE JUVENILE OFFENDERS

FROM ADULT OFFENDERS, THEY'RE

OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT IN

FUNDAMENTAL WAYS.

BUT IN THE LAST 40 YEARS, WE

HAVE BEEN IN A POLITICAL PROCESS

WHERE WE HAVE SO TIGHTENED, THE

TOUGH ON CRIME IDEA THAT HAS

SWEPT ACROSS ALL AGES HAS MET A

FURTHER AND FURTHER SHRINKING OF

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO

SYSTEMS SO YOU HAVE MORE AND

MORE KIDS GOING INTO ADULT

SYSTEMS FOR A WIDER RANGE OF

CRIMES.

AND THAT JUST MEANS THAT THE

THEORY OF AN ADULT SYSTEM IS

BASED ON PUNISHMENT AT THIS

POINT, AND THE THEORY OF A

JUVENILE SYSTEM WAS SUPPOSED TO

BE, WELL, THEY'RE YOUNG, SO

THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR

REFORM.

AND THERE'S JUST FEWER AND FEWER

OPPORTUNITIES FOR REALLY GETTING

HELP AS OPPOSED TO JUST GETTING

PUNISHED.

>> THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT ONCE

YOU'RE OUT AND YOU'VE SERVED

YOUR TIME, YOUR DEBT TO SOCIETY.

WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR THEM TO

GET IT TOGETHER?

>> THE REALITY IS, AND HERE'S

THE THING, ALMOST ALL OF US HAVE

A RELATIONSHIP TO THERE, A

RELATIONSHIP TO THIS SYSTEM.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING AROUND BLACK

AND BROWN NEW YORK, AROUND THE

COUNTRY, MOST OF US HAVE A SON,

DAUGHTER, COUSIN, BROTHER,

SOMEBODY IN OUR LIVES WHO HAS

COME INTO TROUBLE WITH THE LAW.

AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CRAZY

SUPERPREDATORS, AS THEY HAVE

BEEN DUBBED.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR

FAMILIES.

AND SO WHEN WE THINK OF IT THAT

WAY, WE CAN SEE THAT WE KNOW

THERE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR FAMILIES

WHO NEED HELP.

ADOLESCENCE IS HARD, FOR THE

BEST OF US, IT'S HARD.

AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH MENTAL

HEALTH PROBLEMS, THERE ARE

PEOPLE WITH SUBSTANCE ABUSE

PROBLEMS, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT

HAVE BEEN ABUSED IN THEIR LIVES

AND THEY DON'T GET THE HELP.

AND THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY END

UP WITH THE HELP IN MANY CASES

IS WHEN THEY END UP INSIDE A

CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

AND SO PART OF THE CONVERSATION

AROUND RECIDIVISM AND WHETHER

THEY GET IN OR GET OUT, IS ABOUT

THAT PEOPLE HAVE NEVER GOTTEN

THE HELP THAT THEY NEED, ALL

WE'RE DOING IS RESPONDING TO

CRIES FOR HELP WITH PUNISHMENT

INSTEAD OF ACTUAL HELP.

>> IF YOU ARE ACCUSTOMED TO

GETTING THE HELP THAT YOU NEED

INSIDE THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE

SYSTEM, AND THAT STARTS SO

YOUNG, CAN YOU GUARANTEE OR DOES

THAT BREAK THE CYCLE OF GOING

INTO ADULT PRISONS?

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WORKING

ON THAT QUESTION, AS TO HOW TO

BREAK THE CYCLE.

AND THE QUESTION, IS THE FRAMING

OF THE CYCLE REALLY THE RIGHT

FRAME IN THE FIRST INSTANCE?

LIKE WHEN I COME THROUGH THIS,

IS IT A CYCLE OF OFFENSE, OR IS

IT A CONTINUUM OF ABUSE, THAT WE

AS A SOCIETY HAVE PLACED ON

THESE YOUNG PEOPLE, RIGHT.

IS THE CYCLE THAT WE JUST KEEP

ABUSING PEOPLE, ARE WE THE

PROBLEM AS OPPOSED TO THEY'RE

THE PROBLEM.

I THINK OF ONE OF THE YOUNG

PEOPLE IN OUR PODCAST, HE WAS

FIRST ARRESTED WHEN HE WAS 12

YEARS OLD.

AND HE FIRST GOT HANDCUFFED

YOUNGER THAN THAT FOR SKIPPING

SCHOOL, WAS THE FIRST TIME HE

FELT HIMSELF IN HANDCUFFS AND

FOR A SCHOOLYARD FIGHT HE FOUND

HIMSELF IN THE TOMBS.

>> IN THE TOMBS IS WHERE?

>> THE TOMBS IS WHERE WE PUT

PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE WAITING ON

TRIAL.

SO HE WAS SITTING IN THE BOWELS

OF THE JAIL SYSTEM TO WAIT TO GO

BEFORE A JUDGE BECAUSE HE

LITERALLY HAD A SCHOOL YARD

FIGHT.

AND THIS WAS HIS INTRODUCTION

INTO THE SYSTEM, THIS IS A

PERSON THAT HAS MENTAL HEALTH

ISSUES, LIKE I CAN REMEMBER

HAVING WHEN I WAS A KID, BUT I

WAS LUCKY TO HAVE THE SUPPORT TO

MAKE IT THROUGH WITH THE HELP I

NEEDED, WITH MICHAEL DEPRESSION

AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT HE WOUND HIMSELF SILTING IN

A JAIL CELL AND THAT LED TO A

SERIES OF ARRESTS.

I WON'T GIVE AWAY HIS STORY, BUT

ONCE HE GOT INTO THAT SYSTEM, HE

NEVER GOT OUT OF IT.

AND THE QUESTION IS, IS IT ABOUT

HIS BEHAVIOR, OR IS IT BECAUSE

WE BEGAN ABUSING HIM AT THAT AGE

AS A SOCIETY AND STILL HAVE NOT

STOPPED?

>> WHAT I FIND SO POWERFUL ABOUT

THIS IS THAT THESE ARE STORIES

TOLD BY THESE YOUNG PEOPLE.

WHY WAS IT IMPORTANT TO PUT THE

MIKE IN THEIR HAND?

>> IF WE WANT TO FOCUS ON HELP,

HOW DO WE HELP INSTEAD OF

PUNISHING THEM, WE HAVE TO TALK

TO THE ONES THAT NEED THE HELP,

AND THAT IS PARTICULARLY TRUE

WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KIDS 10

AND 12 YEARS OLD.

SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS

PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT TO LET

THEM EXPLAIN THROUGH THEIR LENS

WHAT THEY ARE FACING.

>> THESE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT WE

OFTEN TALK ABOUT BUT DON'T HEAR

FROM IS GOING TO BE REALLY

INTERESTING FOR A LOT OF YOUR

LISTENERS.

>> I HOPE SO.

>> TO LEARN MORE ABOUT AMERICA'S

IMPRISONED YOUTH, LISTEN TO WNYC

THE LIVES OF JUVENILE JUSTICE.

>>> CARLOS SANTANA BEGAN HIS

LEGENDARY MUSIC CAREER IN THE

1960s COUNTER CULTURE AND STILL

TOURING AT AGE 70, SANTANA IS

RECOGNIZED AS ONE OF THE

GREATEST GUITAR PLAYERS IN THE

WORLD.

WITH HIS INTEREST IN SOCIAL

JUSTICE, HE IS THE PRODUCER OF A

NEW DOCUMENDOCUMENTARY.

>> DELORES CAME UP WITH THE

SLOGAN --

>> YES, WE CAN.

>> SHE'S A CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER.

>> SHE HAS A FIRM BELIEF IN WHAT

SHE'S DOING.

>> SHE WASN'T ASKING FOR

PERMISSION, SHE JUST DID WHAT

NEEDED TO BE DONE.

>> DOWN WITH RACISM!

DOWN WITH SEXISM!

>> I RECENTLY HAD THE

OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH CARLOS

SANTANA AND I BEGAN OUR

CONVERSATION BY ASKING HIM ABOUT

WHEN AND WHERE HE FIRST BECAME

SOCIALLY CONSCIOUS.

>> WHEN I CAME TO SAN FRANCISCO,

THERE WAS THE BLACK PANTHERS AND

TH

EVERYTHING THAT WAS HAPPENING

WAS ALL THIS IN HERE AND OVER

HERE WAS B.B. KING AND THE

GRATEFUL DEBT AND MICHAEL

BLOOMFIELD, BUT IT WAS ALL

HAPPENING WITH BILL GRAHAM'S

BENEFITS TO HELP PEOPLE.

AND I JUST BECAME THAT CHILD

THAT I GOT TWO WINGS, THE WINGS

TO SERVE HUMANITY THIS WAY AND

THE WINGS TO SERVE HUMANITY THIS

WAY, SO THOSE ARE MY TWO WINGS.

I FEEL GRATEFUL TO BE BORN IN

THIS PARTICULAR TIME, BECAUSE

THIS IS THE TIME WHERE WE GET TO

SHIFT THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THIS

PLANET.

I'M HAPPY TO SAY, AND GRATEFUL

TO SAY THAT DOLORES AND I, AND A

FEW OF US LIKE THE DALAI LAMA,

OR THE DESMOND TUTU OR THE POPE,

WE HAVE THE SAME AGENDA, WAKE UP

THE MASSES TO THEIR OWN DEVINE

TRY.

>> LET'S START WITH DELORES.

HOW DID THIS DOCUMENTARY COME TO

BE AND HOW DID YOU BECOME IT'S

EXECUTIVE PRODUCER?

>> MY MOTHER TOLD ME, CARLOS,

YOU HAVE TO DO THIS AND BRING

HER STORY TO LIGHT.

SO DIG IN YOUR POCKETS AND DO

WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO TO

PRESENT HER ON TO CENTER STAGE

IN HER OWN -- BRING HER STORY TO

LIGHT.

>> SO IT WAS YOUR CONCEPTION,

AND YOU TALKED TO HER AND SAID

DELORES, WE'RE DOING THIS?

SHE'S SUCH A POWERFUL

CHARISMATIC PERSONALITY, AND

SHE'S GOT A SELF-EFFACING

PERSONALLY, TRYING TO DEFLECT

ATTENTION.

HOW DID YOU CONVINCE HER TO DO

THIS?

>> I JUST LOOKED AT HER AND I

SAID, EVERYBODY TELLS ME

WHEREVER I GO YOU WANT TO TALK

TO ME.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TALK TO ME

ABOUT?

I SAID I WANT TO BRING YOUR

STORY TO LIFE.

SHE SAID, OH.

SHE SAID WHEN I WAS A LITTLE -G

STOCKTON, CALIFORNIA, I WOULD

EITHER HITCHHIKE OR DO WHATEVER

I NEEDED TO DO TO GO TO SAN

FRANCISCO AND HANG AROUND WITH

BILLIE HALLADAY AND CHARLIE

PARKER.

SO ADDITION TO BEING THIS

INCREDIBLE PERSON, SHE WAS

HANGING AROUND WITH BILLIE

HALLADAY AND CHARLIE PARKER.

SO WE CONFERRED WITH THE

DIRECTOR OF THE FILM AND MY

DAUGHTER ANJELICA AND WE JUST

STAYED ON HER AND SLOWLY WE

CONVINCED HER THAT THIS IS

MEDICINE FOR THE TIMES THAT

WE'RE LIVING IN.

YOU KNOW, HER STORY, HER --

BECAUSE SHE'S THE REAL WONDER

WOMAN, AND HER SUPERPOWERS IS

EQUALITY, FAIRNESS AND JUSTICE,

COMPASSION, MERCY, YOU KNOW.

SO I JUST STAY WITH IT AND THEN

EVENTUALLY SHE ALLOWED US TO

ENTER HER CENTER AND HERE WE

ARE.

>> IN MY EARLY DAYS I WAS A

UNION ORGANIZER AND A UNION

MANAGER, AND I MET DEOLORES ON

ONE OCCASION, BUT MOST AMERICANS

DON'T KNOW NANYTHING ABOUT HER

EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS ONE OF THE

LEADERS IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS

MOVEMENT.

WHY DON'T MOST PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT

HER?

>> IT HAS A LOT TO

MACHO MAN IS ANOTHER WORD FOR

FEAR.

SHE WAS BLOCKED PROBABLY BY

PEOPLE FROM MANY, MANY PLACES,

YOU KNOW.

BUT THIS IS HER TIME AND I FEEL

REALLY GRATEFUL TO GOD, TO MY

MOM, OF COURSE, TO GOD AND MY

MOM, THAT THEY STAY WITH ME.

THEY SAY DO THIS, AND DO IT NOW

AND WE STAY WITH IT AND I FEEL

REALLY, REALLY GRATEFUL BECAUSE

WHEN I LOOK AT IT NOW, I CAN SEE

THAT WOMEN IN INDIA, AFRICA,

SOUTH AMERICA, EVERYWHERE IN THE

WORLD, WHEN THEY LOOK AT THIS

MOVIE, IT'S GOING TO -- THIS

WORK IS USED A LOT.

BUT IT'S GOING TO GIVE THEM HOPE

AND COURAGE.

THEY ALSO CAN LIVE THEIR

POTENTIAL OF THEIR DREAMS.

>

>> DELORES AIRS ON 13 ON MARCH

27, PLEASE CHECK YOUR LOCAL

LISTINGS FOR ADDITIONAL AIR

TIMES.

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