November 06, 2020

Larry Hogan

Gov. Larry Hogan, Maryland’s moderate Republican governor, discusses why he did not vote for President Trump, the future of Trumpism and the GOP, and why Republicans beat expectations in down ballot races.

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WITH HIS OWN IDEAS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE GOP.
THIS WEEK ON F’FIRING LINE’ — ♪
THIS WAS PRESIDENT TRUMP HOURS AFTER THE POLLS CLOSED IN THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

THIS IS A FRAUD ON THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.
WE WERE GETTING READY TO WIN THIS ELECTION.
FRANKLY, WE DID WIN THIS ELECTION.

I THOUGHT IT WAS OUTRAGEOUS AND UNCALLED FOR.
SOMETIMES THE PRESIDENT CAN BE HIS OWN WORST ENEMY.

REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR LARRY HOGAN OF MARYLAND IS WORKING ALONGSIDE A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR TO URGE ALL AMERICANS TO RESPECT THE VET.

WE HAVE A MESSAGE FOR ALL AMERICANS.
WE WILL GET THROUGH THIS TOGETHER.

WITH THE COUNTRY ON EDGE —
RAZOR THIN MARGINS AND LEGAL BATTLES HEATING UP.

IF YOU COUNT THE LEGAL VOTES, I EASILY WIN.

WHAT DOES GOVERNOR LARRY HOGAN SAY NOW?

‘FIRING LINE’ WITH MARGARET HOOVER IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY CHARLES R. SCHWAB AND BY CORPORATE FUNDINGS PROVIDED BY STEPHENS, INC.

WELCOME TO ‘FIRING LINE.’
GOVERNOR LARRY HOGAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT’S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, MARGARET.

WONDERFUL TO HAVE YOU BACK.
A RECORD NUMBER OF AMERICANS CAME OUT THIS WEEK AND VOTED FOR EITHER DONALD TRUMP OR JOE BIDEN.
NOW, IN THIS CASE YOU DIDN’T SUPPORT EITHER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.
ARE YOU SURPRISED BY HOW CLOSE THIS ELECTION WAS?

WELL, I THINK EVERYBODY THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE CLOSE, ALTHOUGH IT WASN’T A GOOD NIGHT FOR POLLSTERS.
I THINK SOME OF THEM REALLY OVERESTIMATED THE BLUE WAVE THAT WE KEPT HEARING ABOUT.
BUT WE DIDN’T SEE THE BIG REPUDIATION.
IT WAS KIND OF A REJECTION OF SOME OF THE FAR LEFT POLICIES BECAUSE IN THE PLACES, I THINK THE REPUBLICANS REALLY OVERPERFORMED.
WE WON REPUBLICAN SEATS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
WE WON EVERY GOVERNOR’S RACE.
WE PICKED UP LEGISLATIVE SEATS, HOPEFULLY WE’RE GOING TO HANG ON TO THE SENATE AND WE GAINED SEATS IN THE HOUSE.
SO WE ACTUALLY, REPUBLICANS MADE GAINS IN SPITE OF THE PRESIDENT.
AND THERE WERE KIND OF REVERSE COATTAILS.
PEOPLE HAD TO OVERCOME THAT BAGGAGE IN A NUMBER OF PLACES AND PEOPLE RAN, YOU KNOW, 10, 15 POINTS AHEAD OF THE PRESIDENT.
IT WAS AN INTERESTING NIGHT.

I WANT TO GET YOUR REACTION TO THE PRESIDENT’S EARLY MORNING POST-ELECTION SPEECH WHICH YOU CALLED OUTRAGEOUS AND A TERRIBLE MISTAKE.
OTHER REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS, FORMER REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR CHRIS CHRISTIE OF NEW JERSEY, FORMER PENNSYLVANIA SENATOR RICK SANTORUM, ALSO DENOUNCED PRESIDENT TRUMP’S REMARKS IN THE EARLY MORNING.
SHOULD MORE REPUBLICANS JOIN YOU IN SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THAT KIND OF RHETORIC?

I THINK THEY SHOULD, AND I THINK THEY WILL.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO FEEL A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE SPEAKING UP AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE WERE AFRAID TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THE PRESIDENT.
I NEVER HAVE BEEN.
THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE, YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THEM, WHO DID SPEAK UP.
THIS WAS KIND OF AN ASSAULT ON OUR ENTIRE, YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATIC PROCESS TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF OFF-BASE CHARGES AND ATTACKS AND QUESTION THE RESULTS AND TO CLAIM VICTORY AND TO KIND OF RAISE ISSUES THAT THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF WAS REALLY INAPPROPRIATE, AND I AM HOPEFUL THAT MORE REPUBLICANS, I THINK — I KNOW THAT MORE REPUBLICAN ELECTED OFFICIALS FEEL THAT WAY.
I AM HOPING THAT THEY’LL CONTINUE TO SPEAK UP.

YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE THEY THINK THE PRESIDENT’S DAYS ARE NUMBERED?

IT’S POSSIBLE.
I ALSO DON’T — I THINK THERE IS SAFETY IN NUMBERS.
SO WHEN A FEW OF US DO STAND UP AND SPEAK OUT, AND BECAUSE I THINK THEY SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL AND MAYBE THEY ARE WILLING TO STEP UP A LITTLE MORE THAN THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE PETRIFIED.
AND THE ELECTION BEING OVER FOR MANY OF THEM, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE AFRAID OF BEING ATTACKED BY THE PRESIDENT PERSONALLY OR BEING TWEETED ABOUT.
NOW THEY NO LONGER HAVE THAT SAME FEAR.

PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN HAS FILED LAWSUITS, GOVERNOR HOGAN, IN SEVERAL STATES, INCLUDING MICHIGAN, PENNSYLVANIA, GEORGIA, NEVADA OVER ALLEGATIONS RANGING FROM TRANSPARENCY ISSUES TO MISHANDLING OF BALLOTS.
AS YOU LOOK AT IT, DO YOU SEE ANY OF THE COURT CASES HAVING MERIT?
OR IS THIS A CASE OF A LITIGIOUS PRESIDENT WHO HAS ALWAYS USED LAWSUITS AS A STRATEGY FOR HIS SUCCESS?
SIMPLY DOING THE SAME THING AGAIN.

WELL, I’M NOT A LAWYER, AND I’M NOT PRIVY, HAVEN’T READ ALL OF THE LAWSUITS THAT THEY ARE FILING, AND SO I HATE TO REALLY OPINE.
BUT THERE IS NO QUESTION, YOU’RE RIGHT, IT IS A GUY WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY LITIGIOUS AND USED LAWSUITS AS A STRATEGIC EFFORT THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE CAREER.
LOOK, IF THERE ARE — EVERYONE IN AMERICA WANTS A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION.
THEY WANT EVERY SINGLE VOTE TO BE COUNTED.
IT’S A CORNERSTONE OF OUR WHOLE PROCESS.
IF IT’S A CLOSE RACE, WITHIN 1% THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR RECOUNTS AND THAT’S PERFECTLY FAIR.
IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH INDIVIDUAL VOTES IN CERTAIN PLACES, ABSOLUTELY.
EITHER SIDE HAS THE RIGHT AND THERE IS A GREAT PROCESS.
EVERY STATE I THINK IS WORKING HARD TO MAKE SURE THE VOTES ARE COUNTED.
BUT JUST FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS, TO DRAG THIS OUT, IF THERE IS NO MERIT TO THEM, ABSOLUTELY IS WRONG FOR THE COUNTRY.

THE PRESIDENT HAS TWEETED ALL OF THE RECENT BIDEN CLAIMED STATES WILL BE LEGALLY CHALLENGED BY US FOR VOTER FRAUD AND STATE ELECTION FRAUD.
PLENTY OF PROOF, JUST CHECK OUT THE MEDIA.
WE WILL WIN AMERICA FIRST.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I CAN’T SAY THAT I’M SURPRISED BY THIS BECAUSE IT SEEMS AS IF THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN MESSAGING THIS FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS, QUESTIONING THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS BEFORE IT EVEN PLAYED OUT.
WE HAVE BEEN DOING ABSENTEE BALLOTS, VOTE BY MAIL IN OUR STATE FOR 20 YEARS.
WE HAD A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT HERE IN OUR STATE, AND IT WENT VERY SMOOTHLY.
THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SAYING FOR MONTHS THAT ALL MAIL-IN VOTING WAS GOING TO BE BAD AND THEY WERE GOING TO BE CHEATING.
IF THERE ARE ISSUES AND PROBLEMS, WE OUGHT TO ROOT THEM OUT.
BUT TO JUST QUESTION THE ENTIRE PROCESS BEFORE IT HAPPENED I THINK WAS WRONG.
BUT IT WAS SETTING HIMSELF UP FOR THE KINDS OF THINGS THEY ARE DOING NOW.

HOW DOES HE SQUARE THAT WITH THE FACT THAT THE REPUBLICANS MIGHT HAVE HELD ON TO THE SENATE?
YOU KNOW, WAS THERE ONLY VOTER FRAUD ON HIS BALLOT BUT NOT ON OTHER REPUBLICANS?

A VERY GOOD QUESTION, MARGARET.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE AREN’T ANY SENATORS OR GOVERNORS OR CONGRESSMEN OR CANDIDATES FOR THOSE OFFICES THAT ARE QUESTIONING THE RESULTS IN THEIR STATE.
AND IT JUST KIND OF FURTHER MAKES THE POINT THAT WE ARE MAKING.

IS THERE PART OF YOU, GOVERNOR, THAT IS WORRIED THAT THE PRESIDENT WON’T CONCEDE IF HE DOESN’T WIN THE ELECTION?

WELL, THERE IS CERTAINLY — THERE IS A PART OF ME THAT’S WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
I BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY THAT OUR SYSTEM HAS WORKED FOR 200 YEARS AND IT’S GOING TO WORK, AND THAT ONE WAY A OR ANOTHER WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A TRANSITION.
IF IT LOOKS AS IF THE ELECTION RESULTS PAN OUT THE WAY THEY ARE, WE DON’T HAVE SERIOUS COURT CHALLENGES THAT ARE CREDIBLE, I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE ENORMOUS PRESSURE ON THE PRESIDENT TO CHANGE HIS TUNE AND TO MAYBE ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION.

GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S POSTURE AND THAT HE IS GOING TO FIGHT TO THE FINISH, WHAT WILL YOU DO IF HE DOESN’T CONCEDE AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME?

WELL, LOOK, I AM NOT GOING TO SAY THE PRESIDENT SHOULDN’T BE FIGHTING TO THE FINISH AND HE SHOULD FIGHT TO MAKE SURE EVERY VOTE IS COUNTED FAIRLY.
IF THERE ARE LEGITIMATE CHALLENGES, THAT’S WHAT OUR SYSTEM IS ALL ABOUT.
IF IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE THERE ARE NOT LEGITIMATE CHALLENGES AND THERE IS NO, YOU KNOW, PATH TO TURNING THINGS AROUND, AND EVERYBODY DECIDES THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE ELECTION IS OVER, I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE — I WILL BE PUSHING AND I THINK OTHER PEOPLE IN MY PARTY, HOPEFULLY, WILL BE THERE, TOO, TO MAKE SURE HE DOES THE RIGHT THING FOR THE COUNTRY.
I AM HOPEFUL THAT HE WILL.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?

WELL, I THINK —
WHAT WILL YOU DO?

I THINK AT SOME POINT HE HAS TO ACCEPT THE REALTY AND CONCEDE.
SOME OF THOSE COURT DECISIONS ARE GOING TO HOPEFULLY BE MADE PRETTY QUICKLY.
THE HANDWRITING MAY BE ON THE WALL.

LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT ANOTHER SUCCESS STORY THAT REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH.
REPUBLICAN MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE WON A HOUSE SEAT IN GEORGIA’S 14th CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.
SHE IS THE MOST VOCAL SUPPORTER OF QANON, THE CONSPIRACY THEORY.
I AM NOT GOING TO — I WON’T DEFINE THE CONSPIRACY THEORY.
PRESIDENT TRUMP EMBRACED HER CANDIDACY, CALLED HER A, QUOTE, FUTURE REPUBLICAN STAR.
DO REPUBLICANS HAVE A PROBLEM ON THEIR HANDS WITH A QANON MEMBER IN CONGRESS?
IS THIS A LIABILITY?

WELL, I THINK IT’S PROBABLY ABOUT AS MUCH OF A LIABILITY AS AOC IS FOR THE DEMOCRATS.
I MEAN, TALKING ABOUT THE EXTREMES OF EITHER PARTY THAT WE’VE GOT TO TRY TO AVOID AND MOVE TO THE MIDDLE.
HERE IS THE GOOD NEWS.
THE REPUBLICANS ELECTED, I BELIEVE, TEN NEW REPUBLICAN WOMEN TO THE HOUSE, WHICH IS A GREAT THING, BUT YOU’RE RIGHT.
THE VIEWS OF THIS PARTICULAR CANDIDATE ARE OUT THERE ON THE FRINGE, AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS SHOCKED AND APPALLED THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS NOT REPUDIATING SOME OF THE THINGS FROM THIS GROUP.
I DON’T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS CANDIDATE, HAVEN’T MET HER, YOU KNOW.
BUT IT’S CERTAINLY GOING TO — SHE IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF HER COLLEAGUES IN THE CONGRESS.

I MEAN, DO YOU THINK IT’S -F PROGRESSIVE SOCIAL DEMOCRAT IN AOC WITH A CONSPIRACY THEORIST ON THE RIGHT WHO BELIEVES IN PEDOPHILIA SEX RINGS?

WELL, NO, MAYBE NOT.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE PRETTY FAR ON THE EXTREMES THAT DON’T — MOST PEOPLE IN AMERICA DON’T AGREE WITH.
YEAH, YOU’RE RIGHT.
THIS IS KIND OF A VERY STRANGE THING WITH THIS DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN THAT PEOPLE ARE BUYING INTO, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY CRAZY.
AND WE NEED TO PUT A STOP TO — THERE IS AN AWFUL LOT OF THIS STUFF GOING ON TODAY, AND IT’S A SCARY PHENOMENON THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT.

A REPORT THAT KEVIN McCARTHY, THE HOUSE MINORITY LEADER, SUGGESTED IF SHE WON SHE WOULD GET A COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENT.
WOULD YOUVIZE HIM TO DO THAT?

I HAVE NEVER SERVED IN CONGRESS.
I DON’T KNOW.
I MEAN, THE VOTERS OF THAT DISTRICT ELECTED HER.
SHE HAS A RIGHT TO BE SWORN INTO CONGRESS.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT EVERYBODY GETS A COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENT AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP HER OUT.

STEVE KING HAD HIS COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS REVOKED AFTER HE MADE DEEPLY RACIST COMMENTS.
I DON’T KNOW.

EVEN CRAZY PEOPLE GET THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS.
BUT YOU’RE RIGHT.
IT’S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN THE.

YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR IN A VERY BLUE STATE.
YOU VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY FOR JOE BIDEN.
I WANT TO LOOK AT AN AD THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER WITH DEMOCRATIC SENATOR JOE MANCHIN FROM A VERY RED STATE.
TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.

WE CAST THE VOTES, WE COUNT THE VOTES AND WE RESPECT THE RESULTS.

LOSE THAT AND WE LOSE EVERYTHING.
WE’RE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS WHO BELIEVE FIRST WE’RE AMERICANS.

AND WE HAVE A MESSAGE FOR ALL AMERICANS.
WE’LL GET THROUGH THIS TOGETHER.

ON JANUARY THE 20th, WE’LL SWEAR IN A PRESIDENT.

AND WHEN WE DO, WE ALL STAND READY TO WORK WITH HIM.
TOGETHER.

TOGETHER.

GOVERNOR HOGAN, DID YOU HAVE A SENSE GOING INTO THIS ELECTION THAT THAT MESSAGE WOULD BE NECESSARY RIGHT NOW?

WELL, WE OBVIOUSLY THOUGHT IT CERTAINLY MIGHT BE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JOE MANCHIN AND I, HE IS A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR IN A REPUBLICAN STATE, AND I AM A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR IN A DEMOCRATIC STATE.
WE ARE GOOD FRIENDS.
WE BOTH ALWAYS TRY TO WORK TOWARDS COMPROMISE AND REACHING ACROSS THE AISLE.
BUT WE DID THINK IT MIGHT BE NECESSARY, SO WE FILMED IT A WEEK OAR SO BEFORE THE ELECTION HOPING THAT WE WOULDN’T NEED TO PUT THAT OUT, THAT WE’D HAVE A CLEAR WINNER.
BUT WITH ALL OF THE TURMOIL IN AMERICA, ALL THIS DIVISIVENESS, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO GET OUT THERE.
THIS IS THE WAY IT WORKS.
THE MESSAGE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
JOE AND I BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY IN IT, AND SO DO A LOT OF PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE THAT ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM SOLVERS CAUCUS IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND SOME GUBERNATORIAL COLLEAGUES, AS WELL.

I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT JOE BIDEN SAID ON WEDNESDAY.

LET ME BE CLEAR.
WE ARE CAMPAIGNING AS DEMOCRATS, BUT I WILL GOVERN AS AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT.
THE PRESIDENCY ITSELF IS NOT A PARTISAN INSTITUTION.
I WILL WORK AS HARD FOR THOSE WHO DIDN’T VOTE FOR ME AS I WILL FOR THOSE WHO DID VOTE FOR ME.

SOUNDS A LOT LIKE A LARRY HOGAN KIND OF MESSAGE.

I AM GLAD YOU SAID THAT.
I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING.
IT’S ALMOST WORD FOR WORD WHAT I SAID ON MY ELECTION NIGHT WHEN I WAS ELECTED IN 2014 IN THIS BLUEST STATE IN AMERICA.
I THINK IT WAS A GREAT MESSAGE FOR VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN.
I THOUGHT IT WAS RIGHT ON TARGET.
AND IT’S ALMOST COMPLETELY OPPOSITE OF THE KIND OF RANTINGS WE HEARD JUST A FEW HOURS EARLIER, EARLY THAT MORNING, FROM THE PRESIDENT.
IT’S A VERY DIVISIVE TIME.
BUT I THINK MOST PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY ARE REALLY FED UP AND FRUSTRATED WITH THE ANGER AND THE DIVISIVENESS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE AND THEY’D LIKE TO SEE US ALL COME TOGETHER AND FOCUS ON SOLVING THE REALLY SERIOUS PROBLEMS THAT ARE FACING OUR NATION.

I HAVE HEARD YOU SAY THAT THE ELECTION SHOWS PEOPLE REJECTING THESE EXTREMES OF BOTH PARTIES.
LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS ELECTION REALLY REPRESENTS.
DOES THIS ELECTION TO YOU REPRESENT A REJECTION OF DONALD TRUMP?

WELL, WE HAVE GOT TO ANALYZE WHAT HAPPENED.
THERE IS NO QUESTION, AS I MENTIONED, THAT IN RACE AFTER RACE, IN STATE AFTER STATE, REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES UP AND DOWN THE BALLOT FAR OUTPERFORMED THE PRESIDENT.
I WENT OUT AND CAMPAIGNED FOR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, ALMOST ALL OF WHOM WERE SUCCESSFUL.
THEY ARE RIGHT OF CENTER, COMMON SENSE, CONSERVATIVES.
THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN SUBURBAN DISTRICTS OR STATES THAT ARE VERY DIFFICULT FOR REPUBLICANS TO WIN, AND THEY ALL WON OVERWHELMINGLY.
I THINK IT’S A SPLIT.
SO THEY DIDN’T REALLY LOVE THE PRESIDENT, AND THEY DIDN’T REALLY LOVE THE FAR-LEFT POLICIES.
AND WE ELECTED A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE COMPETITIVE RACES THAT THEY ARE SOMEWHAT CENTRIST AND WILLING TO WORK WITH THE GUYS ON THE OTHER SIDE AND GET THINGS DONE LIKE JOE MANCHIN AND I TALKED ABOUT.

IS TRUMPISM HERE TO STAY WITH A MORE CIVILIZED VENEER IN.

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I THINK HE WE ARE GOING TO H TO FIGURE IT OUT IN THE COMING MONTHS AND THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
I THINK THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND, FRANKLY, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AS WELL AFTER THIS ELECTION ARE REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THEMSELVES AND DETERMINE WHICH PATH WE TAKE.
I AM SURE THERE IS GOING TO BE — THE PRESIDENT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS HERE, THE PRESIDENT IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.
HE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A FORCE TO RECKON WITH.
BUT I DON’T THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE THE KIND OF BLIND LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE WAS FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS.
I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE A REAL ACTIVE DISCUSSION IN OUR PARTY ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL, A SUCCESSFUL PARTY IN THE FUTURE, WHERE DO WE WANT TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY, AND IT’S GOING TO BE HARD TO CONTINUE TO WIN ELECTIONS IF YOU DON’T DO THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT I WAS ABLE TO DO HERE IN MARYLAND, AND THAT’S SOME OF THE PEOPLE I WAS SUPPORTING HAVE DONE, YOU KNOW, SUSAN COLLINS WHO JUST GOT ELECTED IN MAINE, PHIL SCOTT, WHO GOT RE-ELECTED UP IN VERMONT.
YOU’VE GOT TO REACH OUT.
WE WON OVERWHELMINGLY WITH SUBURBAN WOMEN, YOU KNOW.
I HAVE AN 80% APPROVAL AMONG MINORITIES.
WE WIN HUGE PERCENTAGES OF DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS ALONG WITH STRONG SUPPORT FROM THE BASE.
I THINK THE PRESIDENT DOES A GREAT JOB OF REALLY FIRING UP THE BASE, BUT THAT BASE ISN’T LARGE ENOUGH TO WIN ELECTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND YOU HAVE TO FIND A WAY, HAVE A MESSAGE, AN AGENDA, A PLATFORM THAT’S GOING TO WIN OVER MORE PEOPLE.

AS RECENTLY AS MAY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD A 79%, 78% APPROVAL RATING WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS IN MARYLAND.
THE PRESIDENT’S SUPPORTERS ARE GOING TO SAY HE EXPANDED THE PERCENT OF LATINOS AND AFRICAN AMERICANS WHO VOTED FOR HIM.
TO BE CLEAR, BY SINGLE DIGITS.
SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR APPROACH TO MARYLANDERS OF COLOR AND AMERICANS OF COLOR AND THE PRESIDENT’S?
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?
BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THERE IS PHIL SCOTT, CHARLIE BAKER AND THERE IS YOU.
THREE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL GOVERNORS IN THE COUNTRY ARE REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS IN BLUE STATES.
YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT THAT REST OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HASN’T SEEN OR BEEN ABLE TO IMPLEMENT.

WELL, THE PRESIDENT JUST LOST MY STATE BY 30 POINTS, AND I WON BY 14 POINTS JUST TWO YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS RE-ELECTED.
SO IT’S A 44-POINT SPREAD.
WE MUST BE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.
PART OF IT IS JUST FOCUSING ON, BROADENING AND GOING PLACES WHERE REPUBLICANS DON’T NORMALLY GO AND LISTENING AND TRYING TO FOCUS ON SOLVING PROBLEMS.
AND I THINK WE HAVE BEEN REWARDED BY OUR — BECAUSE OF OUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK ACROSS THE AISLE AND WORK ON THOSE COMMON SENSE BIPARTISAN SOLUTIONS, WHICH IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE IN AMERICA WANT.
IT’S WHAT BLACK VOTERS WANT.
IT’S WHAT SUBURBAN WOMEN WANT.
IT’S WHAT DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS WANT.
THE PRESIDENT, CERTAINLY DID A GOOD JOB OF FIRING UP A PORTION OF THE BASE.
HE MADE SOME INROADS WITH A COUPLE OF OTHER DEMOGRAPHICS IN SINGLE DIGITS, BUT HE TURNED OFF WIDE SWATHS OF PEOPLE WHO WOULDN’T VOTE FOR HIM UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
AND SUCCESSFUL POLITICS IS ABOUT ADDITION AND MULTIPLICATION, NOT SUBTRACTION AND DIVISION.
AND YOU HAVE TO GET MORE PEOPLE TO BUY INTO YOUR MESSAGE AND BELIEVE YOU ARE THE RIGHT LEADER.
AND PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS DOING AN AWFUL LOT OF DIVIDING.

GOVERNOR HOGAN, IS THIS A MOMENT OF SUNLIGHT FOR REPUBLICANS LIKE YOU WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?
IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR BREED OF REPUBLICAN TO RE-EMERGE AS A MORE DOMINANT STRAIN WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

I THINK THERE IS A GREAT WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY.
IT’S A UNIQUE POINT IN TIME.
I REALLY DO THINK THAT SOMEWHERE AROUND 70% OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY ARE FED UP WITH THE DIVISIVENESS ON BOTH SIDES.
THEY DON’T CONSIDER THEMSELVES TO BE FAR LEFT OR FAR RIGHT.
AND COMMON SENSE CONSERVATIVES WERE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN ANYBODY IN THIS ELECTION.
SO I THINK THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS TO — YOU KNOW, WE DID AN AUTOPSY AFTER THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND THEY DETERMINED THAT WE NEEDED TO BE A BIGGER PARTY, HAD TO STOP TURNING OFF MINORITIES, DO BETTER OUTREACH TO WOMEN, THAT WE HAD TO WORK ON SWING VOTERS RATHER THAN JUST APPEALING TO THE BASE OR TO THE EXTREMES OF THE PARTY, AND ALL THAT WAS COMPLETELY IGNORED, THROWN OUT THE WINDOW.
AND I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT GOING BACK TO A MORE TRADITIONAL REGAN-ESQUE BIG TENT PARTY THAT SPEAKS TO EVERYBODY, THAT CARRIES ABOUT WORKING FAMILIES AND THE AVERAGE PERSON AND EXPRESSES HOW THEY ARE GOING TO HELP THEM.
AND WHO ARE WILLING TO WORK AND GET THINGS DONE INSTEAD OF JUST NOTHING BUT DYSFUNCTION AND ACCOMPLISHING NOTHING.

LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION THEN.
WHEN YOU MENTION DYSFUNCTION, IF JOE BIDEN IS THE PRESIDENT WITH A REPUBLICAN SENATE, WHAT DO YOU SUSPECT WILL BE A MAJORITY LEADER McCONNELL’S POSTURE TOWARDS THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT?
WILL IT BE OBSTRUCTIONISM OR WILL IT BE WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT, COMMON SENSE CONSERVATIVE CONSTRUCTIVE SOLUTIONS?
BECAUSE WE HAVEN’T SEEN MUCH OF THAT FROM WASHINGTON.

WE HAVEN’T SEEN IT FOR A LONG TIME.
WE HAVEN’T REALLY SEEN IT FOR DECADES.
BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY PUSH FOR THAT AND I WOULD BE HOPEFUL.
I THINK JOE BIDEN HAVING SERVED SO LONG IN THE SENATE UNDERSTANDS, YOU KNOW, HOW TO DEAL WITH THE SENATE IN PARTICULAR, BUT BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS.
I AM HOPEFUL THAT SPEAKER — THE LEADER McCONNELL, ALSO SAW THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION AND UNDERSTANDS THAT’S WHAT I THINK AMERICA WANTS.
THEY VOTED FOR A DIVIDED GOVERNMENT, BUT THEY ARE VOTING ON GETTING THINGS DONE.
I WOULD SAY THE FIRST INDICATION OF THIS SHOULD HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE WE DES PRETTILY NEED CONGRESS TO ACT ON THE NEXT STIMULUS BILL TO GET MONEY OUT TO HELP OUR SMALL BUSINESSES, W OUR STRUGGLING FAMILIES AND STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ON THE FRONT LINE OF THIS PANDEMIC CRISIS AND TRYING TO KEEP OUR ECONOMY AFLOAT.
SO IT’S BEEN TIED UP WITH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AND THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE SPEAKER AND THE LEADER FIGHTING.
IT’S TIME FOR THEM TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS AND FINALLY GET SOMETHING DONE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

GOVERNOR, ON THE ORIGINAL ‘FIRING LINE’ IN 1977, SENATOR BOB DOLE JOINED US FOLLOWING HIS FAILED RUN FOR THE WHITE HOUSE.
HERE IS WHAT DOLE WAS ASKED ABOUT THE DIVIDE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY’S CONSERVATIVE AND MORE LIBERAL MEMBERS.
TAKE A LISTEN.

SPEAKING OF WORKING WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, TO WHAT EXTENT DO YOU THINK THAT IT IS IMMOBILIZED BY THE CONTINUING TENSION BETWEEN ITS TWO WINGS?
IS IT YOUR OPINION THAT THERE IS A FISSURE THERE WHICH IS BEST HANDLED BY TERMINATING, BY YOUTH NASH YEAH OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO BE REPLACED BY ANOTHER PARTY WHICH ENCOURAGES BLACKS AND HISPANIC AND OTHERS WHO HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN TAUGHT TO THINK OF THE REPUBLICAN AS A BIG BUSINESS PARTY?

WELL, AGAIN, I DON’T BELIEVE THERE IS A FISSURE THAT WE CAN’T BROACH SOMEHOW.
THAT DOESN’T MEAN WE HAVE TO AGREE, BUT I JUST DON’T BELIEVE WE CAN TAKE A LITMUS TEST IN OUR PARTY.
I DON’T THINK WE CAN HAVE AN ENTRANCE EXAMINATION.
WE CAN’T AFFORD THAT LUXURY.
AND I DON’T REALLY BELIEVE WE ARE GOING TO BE A STRONG PARTY BY PUNCHING ANY ONE WING OF THE PARTY OR SUGGESTING THAT THEY ARE NOT WELCOME IN THE PARTY.

GOVERNOR, CALLED YOURSELF A REAGAN REPUBLICAN.
RONALD REAGAN WAS THE BIG TENT POLITICIAN WHACHLT DO YOU THINK ABOUT DOLE’S APPROACH?

THE MESSAGE IS EERILY FAMILIAR TO THE DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD.
THIS WAS AFTER WATERGATE IN ’74.
’77 WAS THAT CLIP.
PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DEATH OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
AND ABOUT SOME OF THOSE — THE FISSURES AND THE PROBLEMS, AND RONALD REAGAN DID EXACTLY WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT IN 1980.
THE REAGAN REVOLUTION, WHICH I WAS A PART OF AS A CHAIRMAN OF YOUTH FOR REAGAN.
HE MOTIVATED WORKING CLASS FOLKS TO SAY REPUBLICANS ARE NOT COUNTRY CLUB FOLKS, WE CARE ABOUT WORKING PEOPLE.
HE GOT THE REAGAN DEMOCRATS WHO CROSSED OVER.
SO THAT CLIP SHOWS THE PROBLEM.
REAGAN WAS THE SOLUTION.
AND HE WAS PRETTY SUCCESSFUL AT TURNING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AROUND AFTER MANY PEOPLE PROCLAIMED TO, YOU KNOW, READY FOR, YOU KNOW, THE END OF THE PARTY.
AND I THINK WE ARE IN A SIMILAR PLACE NOW.
PEOPLE ARE SAYING IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY EVER GOING TO RECOVER?
I WOULD SAY LOOK BACK TO WHAT HAPPENED AFTER WATERGATE, WHICH WAS A LOW POINT, AND WHAT HAPPENED JUST, YOU KNOW, SIX YEARS LATER WHEN REAGAN CHANGED THE COUNTRY.

YOU THINK THE REPUBLICAN PARTY CAN BE A BIG TENT PARTY AGAIN?

I AM GOING TO DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS.

ALL RIGHT.
LOOKING FORWARD, THE FIRST DAY OF THE 2024 ELECTION BEGINS THE DAY AFTER ELECTION DAY IN 2020.
LARRY HOGAN, WILL YOU BE ON THE TICKET?

WELL, I THINK IT’S REALLY PREMATURE TO TALK ABOUT 2024 WHEN WE DON’T EVEN HAVE THE CLOSE TO THE 2020 ELECTION YET.
AND I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PANDEMIC.
WE ARE IN A STATE OF EMERGENCY.
WE HAVE NUMBERS SPIKING UP ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
WE HAVE THIS ECONOMIC CRISIS.
THERE IS PLENTY OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN IN 2024.
I HAVE SAID BEFORE I REALLY WANT TO BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE WE HEAD AS A COUNTRY, WHERE OUR PARTY GOES, AND I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE 15, 20 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY RUNNING.
MOST OR MANY OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE IN THAT SAME RIGHT LANE, WANTING TO TAKE OVER THE MANTLE OF TRUMP.
I CAN TELL YOU I WOULDN’T BE IN THAT LANE.
AND WE WILL HAVE TO JUST SEE IF THERE IS A PATH IN THE PARTY FOR A MORE TRADITIONAL COMMON SENSE CONSERVATIVE, SOMEBODY WHO IS FOCUSED ON THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT HAVE MADE US SUCCESSFUL HERE IN THE STATE OF MARYLAND.

ALL RIGHT.
WELL, WITH THAT, LARRY HOGAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU FOR TURNING TO ‘FIRING LINE.’

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARGARET.
GREAT.

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