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What is musical memory? What does it have to do with the way that we perceive and use music in our everyday lives?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Daniel Levitin<\/strong>: One of the things about musical memory is that, in some respects songs stick in our head, and maybe that\u2019s because they\u2019re supposed to. It\u2019s difficult to talk about these things without talking about evolution. When you can remember a song so well, maybe it suggests that evolution wants us to. Maybe songs played an important role in our evolutionary history. A lover out on a hunt for a long period of time wants to be remembered while he\u2019s away, she wants him to remember her, they have their song that they sang to each other, and, you know, that sticks in the head, and it keeps them faithful, and, you know, there\u2019s some evolutionary advantages in that, in terms of raising the kids and, and so on. I\u2019m interested in what attributes of music stay stuck in the head. Is it rhythm, it is pitch, what is it? It turns out to be all of it.\u00a0 The average person has an extraordinary memory for the components of music. Even when there\u2019s no theoretical reason why they should.\u00a0 So, take the song \u201cHappy Birthday\u201d. Every time you sing it, you sing it in a different key. It\u2019s still the same song. Whoever it is that\u2019s in the room that starts, they just start any way they feel like, they may not even think ahead. And then you all join in, and some of you are synchronized in the right pitch, and some of you aren\u2019t, and it doesn\u2019t really matter. It\u2019s still the same song.<\/p>\n

In fact, it was the Gestalt psychologists, who noticed in the 1890s, Christian Von Ehrenfels and Max Wertheimer and others, that there\u2019s this funny property to songs. You can sing them with any group of notes, and they\u2019re still recognizable as the same song. Even when you change every single note, it\u2019s still the same song.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s because songs are defined by the relationship between pitches, not the absolute pitches. Nevertheless, if you ask the average person in the street to just sing their favorite song, they tend to sing it with the right pitches. Their memory has encoded this information that isn\u2019t necessary for maintaining the identity of the song, but it\u2019s there.\u00a0 Why would evolution create a brain mechanism that holds onto the stuff that it doesn\u2019t need? It must\u2019ve been important, throughout evolutionary time, or it must be that memory is more efficient, if it can hold onto all this detail. People don\u2019t just remember the absolute pitches, but they tend to remember the actual tempo, and a lot of the little nuances of the singer\u2019s voice. When Michael Jackson goes, \u201cEeh, eeh!\u201d or Madonna has a particular growl in her voice, people remember all of that, and they replicate it when they sing.<\/p>\n

So describe how you do this experiment to study this.<\/strong><\/p>\n

One of the ways that, that we study this is we just bring people into the laboratory, or stop them on the street. We ask them to sing their favorite song. And then we analyze their production, and compare it to the CD. Now, in order for this to work, they can\u2019t be singing a song like \u201cHappy Birthday\u201d, or the National Anthem, or \u201cDeck The Halls\u201d, where there is no right key. But if they sing a pop song, a song by U2 or by Backstreet Boys, that song exists in the world in only one version, and it\u2019s the version that people have heard thousands and thousands of times. There is a correct answer to the question, \u201cWhat is the tempo of that song?\u201d or, \u201cWhat is the, the right pitch, starting pitch?\u201d You just record them, you compare it to the CD, and you, you look at the pitch and the tempo and you see how close they got.<\/p>\n

So, coming back to emotion in music- what are the possible theories about why music affects us emotionally?<\/strong><\/p>\n

There are a lot of different factors that go into our emotional appreciation of music.\u00a0 Some of it is the memories we have of a particular song, which we heard at a particular time in our lives, or it reminds us of a song that had those qualities. Some of it has to do with just the beat, the pulse. Music like James Brown or March music, for that matter, can be invigorating. It makes you want to move your body. Other music can make you, uh, just sort of melt and relax.\u00a0 It\u2019s, it\u2019s either composed to have that affect, or it\u2019s performed to have that affect.<\/p>\n

We do know that listening to music releases certain neurochemicals. If you listen to music that you enjoy, it releases dopamine, a so-called \u201cfeel-good hormone\u201d. It can also release prolactin, the comforting hormone that\u2019s associated with mothers lactating and feeding their infants.<\/p>\n

There\u2019s another hormone called oxytocin that\u2019s the so-called \u201ctrust hormone.\u201d This is the hormone that\u2019s released when two people- well, if a person has an orgasm, oxytocin is released, and it makes them bond to the person that they\u2019re with. If two people have an orgasm at the same time, they bond to each other. There\u2019s an obvious evolutionary advantage for this. Oxytocin causes feelings of trust with the person. For reasons that we don\u2019t fully understand, when people sing together, oxytocin is released. People trust more, people that they\u2019ve sung and played music with.\u00a0 So there\u2019s all this neurochemical change that occurs, in response to playing and listening to music.\u00a0 And we\u2019re just at the beginnings of trying to sort it all out.<\/p>\n

Do you think in a very broad sense, that it\u2019s more because we associate music with something that creates an emotion, or because there\u2019s something structural about the nature of music itself?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I think music contains an enormous amount of information. And I mean information in the technical sense of information theory, the amount of unique content.\u00a0 That there\u2019s more information than speech.\u00a0 It\u2019s more complex a signal. And so I think that although music doesn\u2019t convey information like, \u201cHey, would you open the window over there?\u201d, it conveys emotional information that\u2019s very nuanced, and we\u2019re sensitive to that. I think that music was probably an early form of emotional communication between humans, and the reason it lasted even after the introduction of language, is that it\u2019s much better at some forms of communications, in some feelings that you want to communicate, than language is. It\u2019s much better at communicating the dynamics of human emotion.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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