>>> GOOD EVENING, I'M JENNA
FLANAGAN.
WHEN THE REMNANTS OF HURRICANE
IDA TORE THROUGH OUR REGION,
MORE THAN 40 PEOPLE WERE KILLED.
ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS, ROADS AND
SUBWAYS WERE SUBMERGED IN WATER
AND THE WIDESPREAD FLOODING
HIGHLIGHTED THE URGENT THREAT
THAT EXTREME WEATHER AND CLIMATE
CHANGE POSES TO OUR AREA AND THE
WORLD.
THAT THREAT IS THE SUBJECT OF A
FASCINATING EXHIBIT AT THE
MUSEUM OF THE CITY OF NEW YORK
CALL EED "RISING TIDE: VISUALIZG
THE HUMAN COST OF THE CLIMATE
CRISIS."
THE WORK IS OF KADIR VAN
LOH
LOHUIZEN, WITH PHOTOGRAPHS,
VIDEO, AS WELL AS DRONE IMAGES
AND SOUND.
JOINING ME TO TALK ABOUT THIS
EXHIBIT AS PART OF YOUR ONGOING
"PERIL AND PROMISE" INITIATIVE,
REPORTING ON THE HUMAN STORIES
OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND ITS
SOLUTIONS ARE KADIR VAN
LOHUIZEN.
WELCOME TO "METROFOCUS."
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> AND WE'RE ALSO JOINED BY
SARAH HENRY.
SARAH IS THE CHIEF CURATOR AND
DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR THE MUSEUM
OF THE CITY OF NEW YORK.
SARAH, WELCOME.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING
US HERE.
>> SO, KADIR, I WANT TO START
WITH YOU AND JUST SORT OF ASK,
WHEN DID YOU START THIS PROJECT
AND WHERE WAS IT THAT YOU WENT,
BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT NEW
YORK.
>> IT'S DEFINITELY NOT JUST
ABOUT NEW YORK AND I THINK I
STARTED THE PROJECT, IT WAS 2011
WHEN I WAS WORKING ON A
DIFFERENT STORY, WHICH WAS ABOUT
MIGRATION IN THE AMERICAS AND I
WAS TRAVELING FROM THE VERY
SOUTH OF LATIN AMERICA TO THE
VERY NORTH OF ALASKA, BASICALLY,
TO TELL THE STORY ABOUT
CONTEMPORARY MIGRATION AND I WAS
IN -- ABOUT HALFWAY, IN PANAMA,
I CAME TO THESE BEAUTIFUL ISLAND
S AND I WAS INTERVIEWING PEOPLE
THERE, ON THE CARIBBEAN SIDE,
THESE BEAUTIFUL POSTCARD ISLANDS
AND PEOPLE TOLD ME THAT THEY
WERE BEING EVACUATED AND WHEN I
ASKED THEM WHY, THEY SAID, THE
SEA IS COMING.
SO, ALTHOUGH I'M SPEAKING TO YOU
FROM AMSTERDAM AND I LIVE BELOW
THE SEA LEVEL AND WE KNOW LOTS
ABOUT THE ISSUES WITH THE SEA IN
THE NETHERLANDS, I WAS NEVER
AWARE THAT THIS WAS ALREADY AN
ISSUE WHICH WAS HAPPENING TODAY.
I THOUGHT, LIKE MANY OF US, THAT
THIS WAS -- WOULD HAPPEN IN THE
NEXT FEW GENERATIONS.
SO, THAT WAS BASICALLY THE START
OF THE PROJECT AND WHERE I
STARTED TO RESEARCH, BECAUSE I
THOUGHT, IF IT'S HAPPENING
THERE, IT MUST BE HAPPENING
ELSEWHERE.
AND THAT'S HOW IT BECAME A
GLOBAL PROJECT.
>> AND SARAH, WHY WAS THIS AN
EXHIBIT THAT THE MUSEUM WAS
ATTRACTED TO AND WANTED TO MAKE
SURE THAT AS MANY NEW YORKERS
GOT A CHANCE TO SEE IT?
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, KADIR'S
IMAGES ARE ABSOLUTELY STUNNING.
THEY ARE HAUNTING.
THEY GET INTO YOUR BRAIN, THEY
GIVE YOU A VISCERAL FEELING OF
THE HUMAN CONSEQUENCES OF THE
CLIMATE CRISIS LIKE NOTHING
WE'VE SEEN BEFORE.
AND WE REALLY -- YOU REALLY HAVE
TO SEE IT TO EXPERIENCE THAT.
AND SECONDARILY, VERY IMPORTANT
TO US AS A MUSEUM OF THE CITY OF
NEW YORK, NEW YORK IS A COASTAL
CITY.
THAT HAS BEEN OUR STRENGTH SINCE
THE FOUNDING OF NEW YORK.
OUR WATERWAYS, BUT IT ALSO MEANS
WE'RE INCREDIBLY VULNERABLE TO
THE CONSEQUENCES OF CLIMATE
CHANGE AND RISING SEA LEVELS.
WE HAVE 520 MILES OF COASTLAND
IN NEW YORK CITY.
JUST IN THE FIVE BURROWS.
AND SO THINK ABOUT LOW-LYING
AREAS LIKE THE ROCKAWAYS OR
HUNT'S POINT OR THE SHORE OF
STATEN ISLAND, THERE IS AN
INCREDIBLE VULNERABILITY FOR SO
MANY NEW YORKERS AND IT'S
CRITICAL FOR US TO THINK AS NEW
YORKERS AND AS THE MUSEUM OF THE
CITY OF NEW YORK, HOW TO FACE
THIS CHANGE, HOW TO MITIGATE IT
AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, TO THINK
ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AND ALSO
WHAT IT MEANS TO BE RESILIENT.
AS THE MUSEUM OF THE CITY OF NEW
YORK, WE CONNECT PAST, PRESENT
AND FUTURE AND THERE'S NOTHING
MORE THAT'S GOING TO SHAPE OUR
FUTURE THAN THIS QUESTION.
>> KADIR, I WONDER WHAT IT WAS
YOU WERE SORT OF SETTING OUT TO
ACCOMPLISH OR DID YOU HAVE A
GOAL IN MIND WHEN YOU BEGAN THIS
PROJECT?
AND I ASKED THAT BECAUSE, WHAT
YOU'RE REALLY SORT OF ATTEMPTING
TO DO, AT LEAST AS I CAN SEE IT,
IS DOCUMENT SOMETHING THAT ISN'T
NECESSARILY VISUAL TO PEOPLE.
AND THE FACT THAT IT ISN'T
NECESSARILY VISUAL YET TO SOME
PEOPLE STILL LEAVES SOME ROOM
FOR PERHAPS DENIALISM.
SO, WHAT WAS YOUR INTENTION
GOING INTO THIS?
>> WELL, MY INTENTION STARTED,
OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE RESEARCH AND
I THINK IT -- THE IMAGES PROVE
THAT THIS IS HAPPENING TODAY,
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ASSUME --
I THINK MOST OF US KNOW THAT THE
SEA LEVEL IS RISING, NO MATTER
IF WE CUT OUR EMISSIONS TODAY,
IT WILL RISE ANYWAY.
BUT I WANTED TO SHOW AND I THINK
THAT THAT WAS THE CHALLENGE FROM
THE START, A WAY FOR THE WATER
TO BE PERMANENTLY IN YOUR HOUSE,
YOU KNOW, IT STARTS WITH
FREQUENT FLOODS, IT STARTS WHEN
THE WATER DOESN'T RECEDE THAT
PEOPLE -- THE SOIL GETS --
>> KADIR, I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE
FROZEN FOR A SECOND, SO, SARAH,
I'LL GO BACK TO YOU --
>> YES.
>> AND ASK, HOW DOES, AT LEAST
IN YOUR OPINION, THE IMAGES OF
THE FLOODING AND THE FIRES ARE
THINGS THAT WE HAVE SEEN WHEN
HURRICANES HAPPEN, BUT HOW DO
YOU THINK THAT VISITORS TO THE
MUSEUM WILL EXPERIENCE THIS WHEN
THEY ACTUALLY VISIT THE EXHIBIT?
>> SURE.
WELL, THE EXHIBITION WAS
ORIGINALLY ON VIEW AT THE
NATIONAL MARITIME MUSEUM IN
AMSTERDAM, WHO IS ONE OF OR
PARTNERS ON THIS PROJECT, ALONG
WITH THE OCEAN GRAPHIC
INSTITUTION.
THE MUSEUM IS FIRST AND FOREMOST
A SENSORY PLACE, SO, THIS IS
SOMETHING WE HEAR ABOUT, BUT NOT
NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT WE
CAN EXPERIENCE WITH OUR OWN
EYES, THOUGH EVENTS LIKE
HURRICANES, SUPERSTORM SANDY OR
IDA RECENTLY CERTAINLY DROVE IT
HOME IN THE FIVE BOROUGHS.
SO, THAT IS ONE OF THE IMPORTANT
THINGS OF WALKING INTO THAT
STRIKING ROOM AND BEING
SURROUNDED BY THESE VIDEOS AND
IMAGES.
WE ALSO HAVE A SECTION OF THE
EXHIBITION ABOUT SPECIFICALLY
WHAT NEW YORK IS TOGETHER TO
F
DOING TO FACE CLIMATE CHANGE AND
GET PEOPLE TO THINK WHAT ACTIONS
WE CAN TAKE INDIVIDUALLY AND
WHAT WE CAN TAKE COLLECTIVELY TO
MAKE OURSELVES A MORE RESILIENT
CITY.
AND SO, WE GIVE PEOPLE A LITTLE
CHANCE TO THINK POSITIVELY ABOUT
THE FUTURE, EVEN WHILE FACING
THE E NORTY OF THE REALITY THAT
WE'RE ALL FACED WITH AND, IN
FACT, COMING UP IN THE
MID-OCTOBER, OCTOBER 17th, WE'RE
HAVING A GREEN ACTIVIST NEW YORK
SORT OF ECO-FEST, WHERE PEOPLE
CAN COME AND HEAR FROM PEOPLE
WHO ARE REALLY BEING ACTIVE IN
THIS AREA, WHETHER IT'S ON THE
VENDOR SIDE, PERFORMANCES, YOUNG
PEOPLE SPEAKING UP.
REALLY DRIVING HOME THE WAYS IN
WHICH WE ARE ALL IN THIS
TOGETHER AND I'LL SAY, AMONG THE
PLEDGES THAT YOU CAN TAKE IN THE
EXHIBITION, THERE'S A WHOLE
ARRAY OF THEM, ONE OF THEM IS
JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE CLIMATE.
AS WE LEARNED FROM OUR FRIENDS
AT THE CLIMATE MUSEUM, BREAKING
THE CLIMATE SCIENCE IS AN
IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS, AND I
THINK KADIR'S WORK DOES THAT IN
SUCH A PROFOUND SENSORY AND
VISUAL WAY.
>> WELL, KADIR, I KNOW THAT WE
LOST YOU VERY BRIEFLY FOR A
MOMENT, BUT -- SO, I WANTED TO
GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO FINISH OUT
A THOUGHT THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE
BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF
DELIVERING BEFORE WE LOST YOUR
CONNECTION.
KADIR, I THINK YOU ARE MUTED
AGAIN.
>> OKAY.
>> YEAH.
>> SHOULD I START OVER?
>> YEAH, NO, JUST -- BECAUSE I
KNOW THAT WE LOST YOU AND I WANT
TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO
FULLY SHARE WHATEVER THOUGHT IT
WAS THAT YOU WERE IN THE PROCESS
OF GIVING US BEFORE WE HAD TO
RECONNECT.
>> WELL, I THINK WHAT'S
IMPORTANT TO -- WHAT WAS
IMPORTANT FOR ME TO LEARN AND I
THINK THAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT,
WHAT THE IMAGES EXPRESS IS THAT
WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE
WATER TO BE PERMANENTLY IN YOUR
HOUSE.
THE ISSUE STARTS MUCH EARLIER,
IT STARTS WITH SEA WATER COMING
IN BECAUSE OF MORE FREQUENT
HEAVIER STORMS, BECAUSE OF
FLOODS, SEA WATER DOESN'T RECEDE
AND PEOPLE CAN'T GROW THEIR
CROPS ANYMORE BECAUSE THEIR LAND
BEC
BECOMES.
THERE'S NO SAFE DRINKING WATER.
THERE'S MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN
THE WORLD ALREADY WHO ARE
RELOCATING MOST OFTEN BY
THEMSELVES TO HIGHER GROUND.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I HOPE
THAT IT SENDS AN URGENCY THAT WE
REALLY HAVE TO ACT TODAY AND I
THINK MANY OF US HAVE SEEN THE
REPORT FROM THE INTERNATIONAL
CLIMATE PANEL, WHICH JUST CAME
OUT, WHICH WAS VERY ALARMING.
VERY ALARMING FOR ANY COASTAL
REGION, FOR ANY COASTAL CITIES.
AND --
>> WELL, I DO WANT TO ASK THEN,
BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU
KNOW, HOW PEOPLE IN OTHER PARTS
OF THE WORLD ARE ALREADY
STARTING TO RELOCATE, THERE
DOESN'T SEEM TO BE, AT LEAST A
CLIMATE CHANGE DRIVEN MIGRATION
HAPPENING AS MUCH IN AMERICA AND
THERE CAN BE ALL SORTS OF
REASONS BEHIND THAT, BUT
CONSIDERING THAT THIS PROJECT
TOOK YOU ALL OVER THE WORLD, I'M
WONDERING, WHAT ARE THE
SIMILARITIES THAT YOU SAW IN
OTHER COUNTRIES THAT PERHAPS
AMERICANS WOULDN'T CONSIDER
THEMSELVES HAVING ANYTHING IN
COMMON WITH THAT YOU ALSO WERE
SEEING HERE?
>> WELL, I THINK EXTREME WEATHER
EVENTS ARE STILL OFTEN
CONSIDERED BY TOO MANY PEOPLE AS
BEING NORMALITY.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU
LOOK AT THE FIRES IN THE U.S.,
IF YOU LOOK WHAT HAPPENED WITH
HURRICANE IDA, IF YOU LOOK AT
THE FREQUENCY OF THE TORNADOES,
THE FREQUENCY AND THE STRENGTHS
OF HURRICANES, IT'S ALL AN
INDICATION THAT WE ARE IN THE
MIDST OF THE CLIMATE CRISIS.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE OWE TO
OUR NEXT GENERATIONS THAT WE
ACT, YOU KNOW?
WE -- WE CAN'T DENY IT ANYMORE.
I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH PROOF
THAT THIS IS THE CASE AND THAT
THIS IS HAPPENING AND THE ONLY
WAY TO -- AT LEAST TO SLOW IT
DOWN IS THAT WE CUT OUR
EMISSIONS AND THAT WE TRY TO
STABILIZE THE WARMING UP OF THIS
PLANET.
AND OTHERWISE, IT'S GOING TO BE
VERY CATASTROPHIC FOR THE NEXT
GENERATIONS AND I THINK IT'S OUR
RESPONSIBILITY.
WE ARE THE GENERATION WHO REALLY
FLOURISHED, YOU KNOW?
WE HAD EVERYTHING WE WANTED AND
WE HAD IT BETTER THAN OUR
PARENTS, WE HAD IT BETTER THAN
OUR GRANDPARENTS AND I THINK FOR
THE NEXT GENERATIONS TO COME,
THE LIFE IS GOING TO BE -- IS
GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.
AND WE SHOULD BE READY TO DO A
STEP BACK.
>> OF COURSE.
SARAH, WE HAVE ABOUT TEN SECONDS
LEFT, SO JUST, ONE MORE TIME,
YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT IT IS THAT
PEOPLE SHOULD EXPECT OR WHY
WOULD PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT THEY SEE THIS EXHIBIT?
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, TO
EXPERIENCE THE KINSHIP WITH
PEOPLE ALL AROUND THE WORLD, THE
WAYS THAT WE DO SHARE THESE
OCEANS TOGETHER AND IT IS VERY
MOVING AND REALLY BEAUTIFUL,
EVEN THOUGH IT'S A TROUBLING --
A TROUBLING -- DEEPLY TROUBLING
STORY, BUT ALSO TO EXPERIENCE A
LITTLE BIT OF HOPE.
AND TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU
AND I AND ALL OF US TOGETHER CAN
DO.
>> ALL RIGHT, WELL, I WANT TO
THANK BOTH OF MY GUESTS, KADIR,
I HOPE I'M PRONOUNCING YOUR NAME
CLOSE TO CORRECT, WHO OF COURSE
IS THE ARTIST BEHIND THIS
AMAZING EXHIBIT TITLED "RISING
TIDE: VISUALIZING THE HUMAN COST
OF THE CLIMATE CRISIS."
AND OF COURSE, THANK YOU TO
SARAH HENRY, THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR
FOR MUSEUM OF THE CITY OF NEW
YORK.
THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.