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>>> THIS IS "METROFOCUS" WITH
RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD AND
JENNA FLANAGAN.
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>>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO
"METROFOCUS."
I'M JENNA FLANAGAN.
AS OUR CLIMATE CONTINUES TO
CHANGE AND THE NUMBER OF NATURAL
DISASTERS SKYROCKETS, INCLUDING
THOSE RIGHT HERE IN NEW YORK,
THE NEED FOR POWERFUL, ACCURATE,
AND INCLUSIVE CLIMATE JOURNALISM
IS GREATER THAN EVER.
THAT'S WHY COVERING CLIMATE NOW
FORMED A GLOBAL MEDIA CONSORTIUM
MADE UP OF HUNDREDS OF NEWS
ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING WNET.
THE GOAL IS TO STRENGTHEN THE
MEDIA'S FOCUS ON THE CLIMATE
CRISIS AND ENCOURAGE IN DEPTH,
SCIENCE-BASED REPORTING.
THIS YEAR COVERING CLIMATE NOW
IN ASSOCIATION WITH COLUMBIA
JOURNALISM IS HOLDING THEIR
FIRST AWARDS TO HONOR MEMBERS OF
THE MEDIA WHO SERVE AS MODELS OF
EXCELLENCE FOR JOURNALISTS
AROUND THE WORLD IN THEIR
COVERAGE OF THE CLIMATE CRISIS.
THE AWARDS SHOW IS AIRING
THROUGHOUT THE WEEK, ONLINE AT
CLIMATE --
COVERINGCLIMATENOW.ORG AND ON
NBCNEWSNOW.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> IT'S BEEN A YEAR OF
UNPRECEDENTED CLIMATE CHAOS, A
YEAR THE U.N. DECLARED A CODE
RED FOR HUMANITY.
>> JOIN US AS WE SHOWCASE THE
BEST CLIMATE REPORTING AROUND
THE WORLD.
INSPIRING STORIES OF SURVIVAL
AND RESILIENCE.
>> INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM
HOLDING POWER TO ACCOUNT.
>> EYE OPENING FIRSTHAND REPORTS
OF THIS MOMENT OF CRISIS.
NOWHERE WILL YOU GET A BETTER
PICTURE OF THE CLIMATE
EMERGENCY, SOLUTIONS, AND THE
BEST COVERAGE OF THE MOST
IMPORTANT STORY OF OUR TIME.
>> WATCH THE 2021 COVERING
CLIMATE NOW JOURNALISM AWARDS.
>> AND JOINING ME NOW TO DISCUSS
THE COVERING CLIMATE NOW
JOURNALISM AWARDS AS PART OF OUR
ONGOING INITIATIVE, REPORTING ON
THE HUMAN STORIES OF CLIMATE
CHANGE AND SOLUTIONS IS KYLE,
THE EDITOR AND PUBLISHER OF THE
COLUMBIA JOURNALISM REVIEW.
KYLE, WELCOME TO "METROFOCUS."
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> WE'RE ALSO JOINED BY TWO OF
THE AWARD WINNERS.
FIRST, WE HAVE MICHELLE GARCIA.
MICHELLE IS A JOURNALIST AND
ESSAYIST.
WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
>> GOOD TO BE HERE.
THANK YOU.
>> AND WE'RE ALSO JOINED BY JEFF
GOOD EL, A CONTRIBUTING EDITOR
FOR ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE.
WELCOME TO "METROFOCUS."
>> HI THERE.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> SO FIRST, THANK YOU,
EVERYBODY, FOR JOINING US.
KYLE, I WANT TO ASK YOU TO TELL
US ABOUT COVERING CLIMATE NOW AS
AN ORGANIZATION.
WHEN DID IT FORM AND HOW DID IT
COME TOGETHER?
>> SO THIS ALL STARTED A LITTLE
OVER TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN I
WAS -- ONE OF OUR JOBS IS TO
SORT OF CRITIQUE THE MEDIA, AND
WE'VE GROWN INCREASINGLY
FRUSTRATED AT THE LACK OF
ADEQUATE CLIMATE COVERAGE,
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK THE
ATTENTION GIVEN TO THE STORY
MATCHED THE THREAT THAT THE
WORLD WAS FACING.
SO I HAD WORKED WITH MARK ON
OTHER PROJECTS AND WE STARTED
TALKING AND STARTED WORKING ON
THE STORY TO SORT OF DOCUMENT
THIS DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT
MEDIA OUTLETS WERE DOING AND
WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING.
AND WE DECIDED -- THE FIRST
THING IS WE WROTE THE STORY, WE
PUT ON A CONFERENCE ABOUT THE
ISSUE.
THEN WE REALIZED THERE NEEDS TO
BE ANOTHER STEP.
WE NEED TO ENGAGE NEWSROOMS IN A
WAY THEY HADN'T BEEN ENGAGED
BEFORE.
SO INITIALLY, WE FOCUSED ON
TRYING TO JUST GET U.S.
NEWSROOMS TO COME TOGETHER TO
TALK TO EACH OTHER, TO WORK
TOGETHER TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING
ABOUT THIS PROBLEM.
VERY, VERY QUICKLY, IT GREW AND
GREW AND GREW AND GREW.
TODAY, IT COMPRISES ABOUT 400
NEWSROOMS AROUND THE WORLD WITH
AN AUDIENCE OF ABOUT 2 BILLION
PEOPLE.
IT'S THE LARGEST BY FAR MEDIA
COLLABORATIVE EVER.
AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY FINALLY
STARTING TO SEE PROGRESS, WE'RE
STARTING TO SEE NEWSROOMS
IDENTIFY THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY
AS A CRITICAL TOPIC OF
CONVERSATION.
WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE AND
JEFF AND OFFICIAL CAN TALK ABOUT
THIS MORE, BECAUSE THEIR PIECES
ADDRESS THIS ISSUE DIRECTLY.
BUT THE FACT THAT WE JUST LIVED
THROUGH THIS PANDEMIC, WHICH
TOUCHES ON A LOT OF THE ISSUES
THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE CLIMATE
HAVE, THE IMPACT IT'S GOING TO
HAVE.
JOURNALISM HAS DONE AN OKAY JOB
COVERING THE PANDEMIC.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE STARTING
TO THINK ABOUT HOW CAN WE TAKE
SOME OF THOSE LESSONS WE LEARNED
THERE AND APPLY THEM TO CLIMATE?
WE'RE SEEING PROGRESS.
WE'RE HESITANT TO BE ANY MORE
BULLISH THAN THAT.
BUT PROGRESS IS GOOD.
BECAUSE FOR DECADES AND DECADES
AND DECADES THERE WAS CLIMATE
SILENCE.
THAT SEEMS TO BE BREAKING.
>> WELL, SPEAKING OF THE WORK
THAT JOURNALISTS ARE BEING
REWARDED FOR, MICHELLE AND JEFF,
YOU BOTH WON AWARDS FOR YOUR
WORK.
MICHELLE, I WANT TO START WITH
YOU.
AND TALK ABOUT THIS ARTICLE THAT
YOU WROTE FOR THE NATION, THE
MEDIA SUSPECT READY TO COVER
CLIMATE APARTHEID.
WHAT IT IS THAT FOR YOU -- FIRST
OF ALL, WHAT WAS THE IMPETUS, I
GUESS, BEHIND REPORT ON THIS
STORY FOR THIS, AND WHAT HAS IT
BEEN LIKE TO WIN AN AWARD FOR
WORK THAT HAS BEEN LARGELY
OVERLOOKED?
>> ABSOLUTELY IT'S SUCH AN HONOR
AND THRILLING.
IT'S ALSO, IN MANY WAYS, I THINK
FOR MYSELF AND FOR OTHER
JOURNALISTS, IT'S AN IMPORTANT
RECOGNITION THAT SAYS THIS WORK
HAS VALUE, HAS A PLACE IN OUR
INDUSTRY, AND NEEDS TO BE
EXPANDED UPON.
AND THE QUESTIONS OF INEQUITIES,
OF ENTRENCHED NARRATIVES,
CLASSISM, RACISM, COLONIALISM.
AND THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY
AND THIS SORT OF NARRATIVE STORY
TELLING PARADIGMS THAT HAVE
EMERGED FROM OUR HISTORY ARE IN
MANY WAYS STIFLING, CHOKING OUR
UNDERSTANDING OF THE CLIMATE
CRISIS THAT IS UNFOLDING RIGHT
NOW.
THE IMPETUS FOR ME WAS THERE WAS
A SMALL STORY, I THINK YTH BOARD
-- BORDERS COVERED IT, A REPORT
FROM THE U.N. ABOUT CLIMATE
APARTHEID, AND THE WORLD WAS ON
THE PRECIPES OF FALLING INTO A
SITUATION OF CLIMATE APARTHEID
WHICH WEALTHY NATIONS, LIKE THE
UNITED STATES, EUROPE, WOULD BE
ABLE TO COPE WITH AND HAVE
RESILIENCE TO THE EFFECTS, THE
HARSHEST EFFECTS OF CLIMATE
CRISIS.
WHEREAS THE COUNTRIES THAT
CONTRIBUTED THE LEAST TO THE
CRISIS WERE THE MOST IMPACTED.
MOREOVER, WHAT THEY DESCRIBED IS
WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW,
WHICH IS IT WAS GOING TO RESULT
IN MASS MIGRMIGRATION, UNREST,
VIGILANTE VIOLENCE, A SORT OF
RECHARACTERIZATION OF VICTIMS OR
THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUFFERED THE
CASUALTIES OF THE CLIMATE
CRISIS.
AND WE CHARACTERIZE THEM INTO
THREATS.
AND THIS IS PRECISELY THE KIND
OF WORK THAT I'M VERY INTERESTED
IN, WHICH ARE THE UNEXAMINED
PARADIGMS OF OUR WORK AND HOW WE
GO ABOUT IT.
AND SO THAT'S HOW THE STORY CAME
ABOUT AND THEN IT TOOK OFF.
>> OF COURSE, OF COURSE.
JEFF, I WANT TO ALSO TURN TO YOU
AND TALK ABOUT YOUR AWARD
WINNING ARTICLE FOR "ROLLING
STONE" TITLED "HOW CLIMATE
CHANGE IS USHERING IN A NEW
PANDEMIC ERA."
THAT'S A TOUGH ONE TO SWALLOW,
CONSIDERING WE'RE STILL NOT
REALLY OUT OF THIS CURRENT
SITUATION.
>> YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU
KNOW, THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE
SEEING IN THE CLIMATE ARE NOT
GOING TO -- THIS IS IN A CERTAIN
WAY A HARBINGER OF THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS
CLEARLY DOING IS CHANGING WHERE
CREATURES, HUMANS, INSECTS,
ANIMALS LIVE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A GREAT
MIGRATION THAT IS GOING ON.
WHETHER IT'S PEOPLE COMING UP
ACROSS THE BORDER FROM GUATEMALA
BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANES AND
THE HEAT DOWN THERE ARE HAVING
DEVASTATING IMPACTS ON
AGRICULTURE, OR WHETHER IT'S
TICKS MOVING UP THE HUDSON
VALLEY CARRYING LYME DISEASE.
OR MOSQUITOS MOVING INTO OTHER
AREAS AND CARRYING MALARIA AND
DENGUE FOOECHER.
SO MY PIECE IS ABOUT THE
RESHUFFLING OF LIFE ON EARTH AND
THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, AS THE
WORLD HEATS UP, YOU'RE GOING TO
HAVE NEW ENCOUNTERS WITH VARIOUS
KINDS OF VIRUSES AND THINGS THAT
HAVEN'T ENCOUNTERED EACH OTHER
BEFORE.
THAT'S MOVING INTO NEW AREAS
CARRYING VIRUSES THAT HUMANS
HAVEN'T BEEN EXPOSED TO.
WE'LL HAVE TICKS MOVING INTO NEW
AREAS, MOSQUITOS MOVING INTO NEW
AREAS.
SO MY PIECE EXPLORES THAT.
IT WAS KEYED OFF OF A -- DURING
THE PANDEMIC WHEN I WAS LOCKED
DOWN LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
I READ A PAPER THAT WAS
CO-AUTHORED BY ANTHONY FAUCI
CALLED "WELCOME TO THE NEW
PANDEMIC ERA."
IT'S REALLY ABOUT THAT, AND
ABOUT THESE CHANGES THAT WE'RE
GOING TO BE SEEING.
>> KYLE, I WANT TO GO BACK TO
YOU AND SORT OF ASK, YOU KNOW,
BOTH OF THESE STORIES ARE
DEFINITELY WELL INFORMED
INVESTIGATIVE NEWS STORIES.
WHILE THEY'RE BOTH EXCELLENT, I
DON'T WANT TO DISPARAGE THE
WORK.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY MOST
AMERICANS GET OR DIGEST NEWS.
SO TELL US ABOUT WHAT ARE SOME
OF THE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS, ASIDE
FROM WNET, THAT ARE BEING
HIGHLIGHTED OR APPRECIATED FOR
ACTUALLY ADDRESSING CLIMATE
CHANGE NEWS.
>> UMM, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD
POINT.
FIRST, LET ME JUST SAY,
CONGRATULATE JEFF AND OFFICIAL.
THESE ARE EXTRAORDINARY PIECES
OF WORK.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE HONOR -- WE HAD SOMETHING
LIKE 600 ENTRIES TO THESE AWARDS
FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.
AND WE ENDED UP HONORING ENTRIES
FROM ALL OVER THE WORD,
INCLUDING THERE IS -- INCLUDING
PODCASTS.
THERE'S AN AMAZING PODCAST FROM
ALASKA THAT IS ABOUT THE EFFECT
OF THE CHANGING CLIMATE ON
SPECIFIC INDIGENOUS PEOPLE
THERE, HOW THE WHALE HUNTING HAS
CHANGED.
IT'S JUST AN AMAZING PIECE OF
STORY TELLING IN PODCAST FORM.
WE HONORED A LOT OF TELEVISION,
WE HONORED RADIO.
WE HAVE HONORED -- WE HONOR ALL
FORMATS, AND WE HONOR WORK FROM
LITERALLY ALL OVER THE WORLD.
SO WE DID REALLY MAKE AN EFFORT,
AND I THINK WE SUCCEEDED IN
IDENTIFYING PEOPLE WHO -- A LOT
OF READERS IN THIS COUNTRY,
ESPECIALLY MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR
WITH, WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS
IMPORTANT.
BUT THERE IS AMAZING -- ONE OF
THE GREAT INSIGHTS OF THIS WHOLE
PROJECT, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE
WERE GETTING OURSELVES INTO WITH
THESE AWARDS.
WE JUST THOUGHT WE WANTED TO
RAISE UP WITH GREAT CLIMATE
WORK.
BUT THE INGENUITY OF CLIMATE
JOURNALISM AROUND THE WORLD HAS
BEEN EXTRAORDINARY, IN A WAY.
AND NOT TO DISPARAGE AMAZING
JOURNALISTS WITH US TODAY.
BUT IN A WAY, THERE'S MORE GOING
ON OUTSIDE THE U.S. IN
JOURNALISM.
BUT ANY WAY, THAT'S PART OF WHAT
WE WANTED TO DO.
WE WANTED TO BRING THOSE PEOPLE.
SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO LOOK
AT THESE WINNERS TO EXPLORE ALL
THESE STORIES.
IT REALLY IS -- IT WAS REALLY
WARMING TO ME.
BECAUSE I MEAN, PARDON THE PUN,
IT JUST SHOWED ME LIKE PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND THIS, THEY'RE WRITING
ABOUT THE SORT OF INTENSE
PERSONAL CONNECTION THAT THIS
TRANSFORMATION IS HAVING ON
THEIR LIVES.
AROUND THAT CONNECTION WITH
READERS AND AUDIENCES IS
STARTING TO WORK.
>> OF COURSE, I WANT TO
ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO MIGHT BE
INTERESTED, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT
REALLY SURE, BUT MAYBE
DEFINITELY HEAD OVER TO
COVERINGCLIMATENOW.ORG SO YOU
CAN SEE A IT WILL OF THE WINNERS
AND GET A SENSE OF THE KIND OF
WORK BEING DONE AROUND CLIMATE
CHANGE.
NOW I WANT TO TURN BACK TO THE
TWO JOURNALISTS.
SINCE A LOT OF THIS WORK IS
PERSONAL, IN ADDITION TO
INVESTIGATIVE, I'M WONDERING
WHAT ARE YOUR EXPERIENCES AFTER
HAVING IMMERSED YOURSELF IN A
STORY LIKE CLIMATE APARTHEID OR
THE PANDEMIC ERA.
AND THEN SORT OF STEPPING BACK
INTO THE REAL WORLD WHERE YOU
HAVE PEOPLE WHO STILL AREN'T
READY THIS IS EVEN A PROBLEM,
AND IF THEY DO ACKNOWLEDGE IT'S
A PROBLEM, PERHAPS THEY'RE
PARALYZED BY THE SO MANY
DIFFERENT FACETS AND
COMPLICATIONS AND COMPETING
ISSUES INVOLVED IN IT.
SO MICHELLE, I'LL START WITH
YOU.
>> I WAS EARLIER TODAY -- I'M
SPEAKING TO YOU FROM
BROWNSVILLE, TEXAS, ON THE
BORDER IN SOUTH TEXAS, WHERE
JUST A WEEK AGO, I WAS IN MY CAR
PRAYING FOR MY LIFE.
LITERALLY.
BECAUSE THERE WAS A FLOOD,
AROUND WE ARE GETTING A LOT MORE
FLOODS HERE.
I HEAR THIS HAS INCREASED
BECAUSE OF THE CLIMATE CRISIS.
AND THE DRAINAGE IS DISMAL.
AND IT FLOODS ALL THE TIME.
CARS ARE DESTROYED.
PEOPLE'S LIVES UP-ENDED,
INCLUDING MINE.
I'M SON SOMEONE'S LAWN, RIGHT?
AND YET ON THE HIGHWAY RIGHT
NOW, I SEE A BILL BOARD THAT'S
MAKING A MOCKERY OF THE
INFRASTRUCTURE BILL.
AS IF THE FLOODING THAT OCCURS
HERE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
SOMEWHAT IS BEING DEBATED IN
THAT INFRASTRUCTURE BILL.
I THINK THERE'S A REAL SORT OF
BREAKDOWN.
TWO WEEKS AGO, I WAS IN DEL RIO
WITH THE HAITIANS.
AND, AGAIN, WITNESSING HOW
PEOPLE WHO ARE MIGRATING ARE, AS
I DESCRIBE IN MY STORY, CAN
BECOME THROUGH A SORT OF
APARTHEID PARADIGM, REDEFINED AS
THREATS.
HAITIANS HAVE BEEN UNDER THE
BRIDGE FOR DAYS, IF NOT WEEKS.
AND YET SOMEHOW OUR CONCERN IS
NOT HOW THAT WAS ALLOWED TO
HAPPEN, RATHER IT WAS ABOUT
OTHER THINGS ABOUT THE --
RELATED TO THE STORY.
AND THERE ARE CHILDREN UNDER
THIS BRIDGE, RIGHT?
THESE ARE THE -- IN TWO WEEKS, I
HAVE CONFRONTED THESE VERY
IMPORTANT EXPRESSIONS OF THIS
CRISIS.
AND HOW DO WE -- DO I GO ABOUT
TELLING THESE STORIES IN A WAY
THAT DOES NOT KRCONTRIBUTE TO TT
WORLD VIEW THAT LOOKS AT PEOPLE
AFFECTED BY THE CLIMATE CRISIS
AS PITIFUL, HELPLESS PEOPLE, AND
HOLD ACCOUNTABLE THE PEOPLE WHO
CREATED THE CONDITIONS.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, LIKE I
SAID, I WAS PRAYING FOR MY LIFE,
AND WONDERING ABOUT THE
DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE ABOUT BORDER
SECURITY, WHILE THE BORDER
COMMUNITIES ARE UNDER WATER.
SO TO ME, THESE ARE ALL
HAPPENING ALL THE TIME, AND MY
JOB IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO YOU
MAKE THOSE CONNECTION
INFORMATION A WAY THAT RESONATES
WITH PEOPLE?
>> JEFF, SAME QUESTION FOR YOU.
I MEAN, WHAT SIT LIKE TO HAVE
THE BURDEN OF THE DEPTH OF THOJ
THAT YOU HAVE IN A WORLD THAT
STILL -- OR AT LEAST IN A
COUNTRY THAT STILL DIDN'T
COMPLETELY READY TO EVEN EMBRACE
CLIMATE CHANGE AS A FACT?
>> WELL, I WOULD CHALLENGE THAT
A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN A BIG
CHANGE IN OUR PERCEPTION OF THE
CLIMATE CRISIS, AND IN THE
URGENCY OF IT.
I'VE BEEN WRITING ABOUT CLIMATE
CHANGE FOR 20 YEARS.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED, I WOULD
TALK TO PEOPLE.
IT WOULD BE LIKE I READ ABOUT
THE SEX LIFE OF PORCUPINES OR
SOMETHING.
IT WOULD BE CUTE, BUT IT ASKED
ME A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BUT NOT
IMPORTANT.
NOW PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT
AND HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
WE'RE SEEING STUFF HAPPEN.
WILDFIRES, DISEASE, FLOODING.
EVERYTHING AROUND -- ALL AROUND
US.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF
COVID HAS TAUGHT US ANYTHING,
THERE IS THIS PARTISAN CULTURAL
DIVIDE IN AMERICA, AND THERE ARE
A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T
BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THINK
THE VACCINE IS CARRYING
MICROSCOPIC TRACKING DEVICES AND
ALL KINDS OF CRAZINESS, RIGHT?
MY WORK, AND I THINK IN THE WORK
OF ALL OF US WHO ARE PART OF IT,
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE THE
PEOPLE WHO -- ON THAT SIDE THAT
THIS IS REAL.
THIS IS NOT A DEBATE WHETHER
IT'S REAL OR NOT.
THIS IS A BIG CONVERSATION
THAT'S HAPPENING MORE AND MORE
PLACES, MORE AND MORE BROADLY.
THESE AWARDS ARE EVIDENCE OF
THAT, ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF
THIS, AND THE SCALE OF WHAT
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL
ISSUE.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT AIR POLLUTION.
THIS IS A CHANGE IN THE
OPERATING SYSTEM OF THE PLANET.
AND THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES OF
THAT FROM AN ECONOMIC POINT OF
VIEW, FROM A HUMAN HEALTH POINT
OF VIEW, FROM A FUTURE OF OUR
CHILDREN POINT OF VIEW.
WE'RE JUST BEGINNING TO GRAPPLE
WITH THOSE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE WORK
HERE WITH THIS -- THESE AWARDS
REALLY IS ABOUT.
>> KYLE, IS THAT PART OF THE
POINT PERHAPS OF THIS AWARD
CEREMONY, NOT JUST TO -- NOT
CEREMONY, BUT AWARDS IN GENERAL,
NOT JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THE GREAT
WORK THAT SOME JOURNALISTS OR A
LOT OF JOURNALISTS ARE DOING.
BUT ALSO TO, AGAIN, TRY TO BRING
TO THE FOREFRONT, BECAUSE FOR A
LONG TIME, FOR EXAMPLE, I AT
LEAST HAD READ THAT THERE WAS
CONCERN ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHEN
METEOROLOGISTS WOULD TALK ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, OH, THIS IS A ONCE IN
A 500 YEAR STORM AND THIS IS SO
UNUSUAL AND THIS IS SO UNUSUAL,
THOSE CONVERSATIONS WOULD BE
COMPLETELY DIVORCED FROM THE
NOTION OR EACH IDEA OF CLIMATE
CHANGE.
AND NOW YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE
THAT CHANGE, BUT I WOULD ALSO
ASSUME THAT WOULD HAVE A LOT TO
DO WITH REGION TO REGION.
>> WE SEE THESE AWARDS, WE LOVE
THAT WE'RE HONORING THIS WORK.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO TELL A STORY
HERE.
AND THE STORY IS, ORGANIZATIONS
HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY, IF YOU'RE
GOING TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT
JOURNALISM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY OF TELLING THE
STORY.
AND I THINK TALKED EARLIER ABOUT
THE PROGRESS.
IF YOU LOOK BACK, EVEN AT IDA
THAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, JUST A
LITTLE BIT AGO, THERE WAS STILL
A HUGE GAP BETWEEN WHAT WAS
HAPPENING AND THE MENTION OF ITS
RELATION TO THE CLIMATE
EMERGENCY, ESPECIALLY ON
TELEVISION.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT GREAT
WORK, LIKE YOU'RE CELEBRATING
TODAY, BUT THERE STILL IS AN
ENORMOUS CHASM.
AND I THINK JEFF IS RIGHT.
WE ARE -- WE HAVE MOVED PAST THE
DEBATE.
WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN DO
SCIENTISTS AGREE ON THIS.
WHAT DOES THIS SCIENTIST SAY.
THAT -- THAT VERDICT IS IN, AND
WE ARE MOVING ON.
SO WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON IS HOW
DO WE BRING THIS INTO EVERY
CORNER, THE POLITICS OF THIS,
ALL THOSE PEOPLE NEED TO BE
TALKING ABOUT CLIMATE.
DURING THE PANDEMIC, EVERYBODY
WAS LOOKING FOR STORIES, AND
LOOKING FOR THE PANDEMIC STORY.
THAT IS THE MESSAGE WE'RE TRYING
TO GET OUT.
YOU SEE PEOPLE, HOW PEOPLE ARE
THINKING ABOUT -- THAT IS
REFLECTING CONDITIONS ON THE
GROUND.
I LOVE THIS TERMINOLOGY THAT
JEFF USED, REWINDING THE
OPERATING SYSTEM.
SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT AS
FUNDAMENTAL.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A --
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE
SURE WE UNDERSTAND, AND THAT'S
WHAT WE WANTED TO CONVEY.
>> JEFF, I'M WONDERING, DO YOU
THINK THAT PART OF THE JOB AT
LEAST OF SOMEONE COVERING
CLIMATE IS TO ALSO -- OR NOT,
AND PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU
THINK, IS PART OF THE JOB TO
INFORM PEOPLE, NOT JUST TO TELL
THEM THE STORY BUT TO INFORM
THEM ABOUT THE NECESSARY CHANGES
THAT NEED TO BE MADE THAT IF WE
AS A COLLECTIVE HAVE ANY HOPE OF
SAVING THE SITUATION BEFORE IT
GOES TOO FAR?
>> WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I
DON'T THINK IT'S OUR JOB, MY JOB
AS A JOURNALIST TO OFFER
SOLUTIONS.
THE CLIMATE CRISIS IS NOT LIKE A
BROKEN LEG WHERE YOU GO TO THE
DOCTOR, YOU GET A CAST FOR SIX
WEEKS AND EVERYTHING WILL BE
OKAY AND WE GO BACK TO NORMAL.
THIS IS ABOUT WE'RE ENTERING A
NEW WORLD THAT IS GOING TO BE
VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE WORLD WE
WERE IN BEFORE.
AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S MY JOB AS A
STORYTELLER TO TELL THE FULL
STORY, WHICH OFTEN MEANS WHAT
ARE SCIENTISTS DOING, WHAT ARE
POLITICIANS DOING, WHAT ARE
BETTER SOLUTIONS, WHAT ARE
STUPID SOLUTIONS, WHAT ARE
CO-APARTMCO
CO-OPT PLAYERS.
AND HELP PARSE AND TELL THE
STORY AS ACCURATELY AS TRULY AS
POSSIBLE.
BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S MY
JOB TO SAY EVERYTHING IS OKAY OR
HERE'S THE WAY OUT OF THIS.
I THINK IT'S -- TOO MANY
JOURNALISTS FALL INTO THAT, INTO
SAYING THERE IS A SIMPLE
SOLUTION FOR THIS.
THERE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS TO
DO.
NUMBER ONE, CUTTING CARBON
EMISSIONS AS QUICKLY AS
POSSIBLE.
ENCOURAGING THE USE OF GREEN
ENERGY, ALL THOSE KINDS OF
THINGS.
BUT IT'S NOT A FIX.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE
GOING TO FIX.
THIS IS A STORY WE WILL BE
TELLING FOR THE NEXT CENTURY.
AND I THINK THE IDEA OF, YOU
KNOW, GETTING TO THAT SCALE OF
UNDERSTANDING OF THIS IS WHAT IS
REALLY IMPORTANT.
>> AND MICHELLE, WE'RE COMING TO
THE END OF OUR TIME, BUT SAME
QUESTION TO YOU.
>> I AGREE THAT IT'S NOT -- I
DON'T SEE MY JOB AS ONE OF
PRESCRIPTIONS AND SO FORTH.
BUT I DO SEE MY JOB AS ONE OF --
I LIKE TO SAY THAT I'M NOT HERE
TO HUMANIZE.
I AM HERE TO CONFRONT AND
ANALYZE THE FORCES THAT
DEHUMANIZE.
AND IN THIS CONVERSATION, WE
TALKED A LOT ABOUT WE IN OUR
STORY.
THE STORY OF CLIMATE CRISIS AND
HOW WE GOT HERE WAS BUILT ON A
STORY OF PROGRESS IN THE
INDUSTRIAL AGE.
AND EVERY MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH
NEW STORIES TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE
ARE GOING TO MAKE IT AS A
PEOPLE.
THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE US TO LOOK
AT OURSELVES IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
>> ALL RIGHT.
KYLE, DO YOU SEE THIS -- THESE
AWARDS WITH COLUMBIA JOURNALISM
REVIEW AS SOMETHING THAT
DEFINITELY GOES ON AND GROWS AND
BUILDS EVERYONE FROM NOT JUST
THE SCIENCE OR HEALTH REPORTERS,
BUT THE COURT REPORTERS,
EDUCATION REPORTER, ET CETERA,
ALL START INCLUDING THIS
NARRATIVE IN ADDITION TO THEIR
BEATS?
>> I SURE HOPE SO.
AND WE'RE SEEING PROGRESS.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK
IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THAT THE
AUDIENCE IS THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHO IS READING
WHAT ON A LOT OF THESE PLACES.
IT'S FUNNY TO HEAR JEFF TALK
ABOUT THIS.
NOW THESE STORIES, MAYBE WE'RE
TALKING TO SOMEBODY DURING THE
PANDEMIC.
AND THIS PERSON IS SAYING,
NOBODY WANTS TO LEAVE OUT
ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE
PANDEMIC.
IF YOU TALK TO SOMEBODY -- IF
YOU TALK TO PEOPLE WHERE THE
AUDIENCE --
THEY'LL TELL YOU THAT --
[ INAUDIBLE ]
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT SHAMEFUL
THAT WE DON'T READ AS MUCH AS
FOLLOW THE AUDIENCE.
BUT THE AUDIENCE IS LEANING THAT
DIRECTION.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO LEAVE
IT.
FOR MORE INFORMATION ON WHERE
YOU CAN WATCH THE COVERING
CLIMATE NOW JOURNALISM AWARDS,
VISIT US ON LINE AT
METROFOCUS.ORG.
THANK YOU TO ALL OF MY GUESTS.
THANK YOU.
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