Donnybrook: March 9, 2023

Donnybrook: The show that gives new meaning to the word “debate.” See what happens when five quick-witted, highly opinionated St. Louis journalists disagree on tough topics.

Charlie Brennan debates with Wendy Wiese, Alvin Reid, Ray Hartmann and Bill McClellan.

TRANSCRIPT

>>> THANKS FOR JOINING US , LOTS TO TALK ABOUT, INCLUDING A PRIMARY ELECTION ON TUESDAY IN THE CITY.

FIRST, LET'S MEET THE PANELISTS, STARTING WITH WENDY WIESE.

50% OF THE WENDY AND JENNIFER SHOW.

BILL MCCLELLAN FROM THE ST. LOUIS POST DISPATCH.

RAY HARTMANN, FROM ROSS STORY, AND THE RIVER FRONT TIMES.

AND FROM THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN, WHERE HE'S AN EDITOR AND COLUMNIST, ALVIN REID.

IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES WE'LL TELL FOLKS HOW TO JOIN FOR DONNYBASH.

12% OF THE -- SHOWED UP TO VOTE AND WE HAVE A VERY RARE SITUATION IN THE NINTH WARD, THE TWO INDIVIDUALS, WHO BOTH GOT EXACTLY 868 VOTES.

LEADING THAT IS BROWNING.

WE TALKED ABOUT HIM ON THE PROGRAM BEFORE.

HE WANTED TO STRIP THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARE PULLING OVER MOTORISTS OF THEIR FIREARMS, HE WON, ACTUALLY IN THIS RACE.

WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN I SUPPOSE IF WE HAVE TWO ALDERMEN TIED AT 868, A DO OVER OR A FLIP OF A COIN?

>> A HARD GAME OR SOMETHING.

I'M SO OUT OF THINGS, HALF OF THE BLOCK I LIVE ON IS IN THE CITY.

I SORT OF PAY ATTENTION TO THE 28TH WARD, AND MICHAEL GRAS IS THE ALDERMAN.

AND HE'S A PROTEGE OF -- ON THE EAST SIDE.

THE ATTORNEY WHO AMONG OTHER THINGS SUED ME.

SO I WAS TALKING TO MICHAEL GRAS THE DAY BEFORE THE ELECTION.

AND WELL, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY IT IS BETWEEN YOU AND TINA PIHL.

MICHAEL BROWNING, NO CHANCE.

I HAD MY FINGER ON THE PULSE THAT MUCH.

MICHAEL BROWNING NO CHANCE, AND THE RESULTS CAME UP.

MICHAEL BROWNING IN FIRST, EASILY.

AND MICHAEL GRAS AND PIHL TIED.

I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE FLIPPING A CARD.

>> LIKE ROCK, PAPER, SCISSORS.

WHAT ELSE IS AS ACCURATE?

>> YOU DO RECOUNTS, THERE'S MILLIONS OF VOTES, USUALLY THE PERSON WINNING IS NOT WINNING.

BUT, IN REALITY, NOW, IF YOU DID A RECOUNT, WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF COMING BACK 868, 868.

>> HERE'S WHY, HERE'S WHAT I THINK HAPPENED.

I THINK THAT TINA PIHL AND MICHAEL GRAS THOUGHT THEY WERE IN THE LEAD.

YOU COULD VOTE FOR TWO OR THREE.

THEY TOLD THE SUPPORTERS, GET RID OF THE OTHER GUY, AND VOTE FOR BROWNING.

AND BROWNING ENDED UP IN FIRST PLACE.

>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

AND PERSONALLY, I LOOKED AT IT, AS OUR VIEWERS KNOW.

A BIG FAN OF TINA PIHL.

AND -- BUT THE -- >> WHAT ARE YOU MUTTERING OVER THERE?

>> SORRY.

THE TINA PIHL I THINK IS TERRIFIC.

I'M WONDERING IF SOME PEOPLE WATCHED CHANNEL 9 AND DECIDED TO VOTE FOR HER BECAUSE OF ME.

OR VOTED AGAINST HER.

I USED TO HAVE A KISS OF DEATH, SERIOUSLY, I HAVE NO IDEA.

FLIP A COIN, I DON'T KNOW.

>> I THOUGHT SHE HAD A BETTER CHANCE.

SHE HAD MUCH MORE VISIBILITY, AND TOOK THE STRONG STAND THAT DEVELOPERS SHOULDN'T GET TAX BREAKS AND I THOUGHT SHE WOULD GET REWARDED FOR THAT.

BUT WE HAD SOME SURPRISES.

BRANDON BOZLEY LOST.

>> IS THAT REALLY A SURPRISE?

>> YOU HAVE FOUR PEOPLE, THAT VOTES WILL GO FOUR DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, AND PEOPLE NOT ON THE NEWS WITH PEOPLE KNOCKED OUT IN THE STREET BEHIND THEM AND CARRYING ON.

HE WAS CARRYING A LOT -- AND BY THE WAY, THE BOZLEY NAME DOESN'T CARRY AS MUCH WEIGHT AS IT USED TO.

>> THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE WITH THOSE EPISODES.

>> WE HAVE 12% OF ST. LOUIS CAME OUT.

NO ONE WANTED TO WASTE THEIR TIME.

BUT IN THIS CASE, SHOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT ST. LOUIS IF THE RESIDENTS THEMSELVES DON'T CARE ENOUGH TO GO TO THE POLLS?

>> I USUALLY ARGUE WITH YOU ABOUT THIS ONE, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT'S 12%.

I AM SURE THAT'S NOT A RECORD BUT THAT'S PATHETIC.

IT REALLY IS.

>> I HAD TO SAY THIS, I LIVE IN THE CITY AND WILL GET THE COMMENTS.

THE 88% THAT DIDN'T VOTE -- >> MAYBE THE CANDIDATES SHOULD HAVE HAD SOCCER JERSEYS.

>> I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

>> I'M DOWN OF A LOW TURNOUT, IF YOU'RE PEOPLE WHO CARE.

>> 12%?

>> I AGREE NORMALLY.

BUT 12%?

>> MORE PEOPLE WENT TO THE SOCCER GAME ON SATURDAY.

>> OKAY.

I THINK -- >> YOU HAVE TO RESERVE TURNOUT UNTIL YOU SEE HOW MANY VOTE ON APRIL 4.

SOME, IF THERE'S THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE RUNNING, THEY SAT THAT OUT.

AND JUST REAL QUICK, I'LL ADD THIS.

WEREN'T THEY SUPPOSED TO BE LINED UP AROUND THE BLOCK?

GREEN RAN UNOPPOSED.

WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THAT?

>> WHO SEEMED LIKE A STRONG CANDIDATE TO ME, HE WANTED -- >> HE HAD THE -- >> THE SAFETY AND TRASH TRUCKS AND POTHOLES, HE LOST BY A LARGE MARGIN.

>> IT'S INTERESTING THAT GREEN WAS UNOPPOSED.

>> WHO WAS THE CANDIDATE SUPPORTED BY JONES THE MAYOR AND GREEN, WAS SHE THE ONE THAT CAME IN, SHE DIDN'T DO VERY WELL.

>> MOVING ON.

ALVIN REID.

KMOX RADIO REPORTED THAT THE HOMELESS ARE MOVED AT THE SAME TIME THE BATTLE HAWKS HAVE THEIR FIRST GAME AT THE DOME THIS WEEKEND.

THE DEADLINE FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE 25 IS FRIDAY.

AND THE INSINUATION AND THE REPORTING IS, THEY'RE BEING MOVED BECAUSE OF THE FOOTBALL GAME.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE'RE DOING A CLEAN SWEEP TO MAKE SURE THE FOOTBALL FANS DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT THE HOMELESS?

>> YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND I THINK OTHER CITIES HANDLE THIS SITUATION THE SAME WAY.

THERE'S A, OKAY, YOU HAVE TO GO.

FOR SEVEN DAYS, TEN DAYS, YOU HAVE TO GO.

IS IT SUPER BOWL WEEK OR WORLD SERIES WEEK, YOU HAVE TO GO.

ON THE 11TH DAY YOU COME BACK, NO PROBLEM WITH IT.

THEY'VE BEEN OFFERED PLACES TO STAY AND ALL THAT.

IF I WAS THE HOME AND GARDEN SHOW LAST WEEK, WHAT ABOUT US?

BUT NO, IT SOUNDS CRUEL, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

A LOT OF THE CITIES HANDLE THE SITUATIONS -- >> IT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT.

THEY'RE TAKING DOWN THE TENTS FOR THE HOMELESS BUT PUTTING UP THE TENTS FOR THE TAILGATERS.

>> IT IS IRONIC, BUT WE HAVE TO BE AS REALISTIC AS POSSIBLE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION, THE NATIONAL PERCEPTION -- I WAS ON AN AIRPLANE, IS IT SAFE, THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT I OVERHEARD.

WE DON'T WANT PERCEPTION TO BECOME REALITY.

IF THIS TYPE OF TIDYING UP AS AWFUL AS IT SOUNDS, IT'S -- THESE ARE HUMAN BEINGS.

WE HAVE TO BE PRACTICAL RIGHT NOW.

>> LET ME -- >> SORRY.

>> THE PEOPLE GO TO THE GAMES ARE NOT TOURISTS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY.

WHO HAVE A CERTAIN IMAGE OF ST. LOUIS.

THE BATTLE HAWKS, THEY'RE LOCAL PEOPLE.

>> AND THEY'RE AFRAID TOO.

>> BUT THEY UNDERSTAND, THERE'S HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVING DOWN BY THE RIVER.

>> IN DEFENSE OF THE JONES ADMINISTRATION, THE MAYOR OFFERED ALL 25 SHELTER OR SOME SORT OF HOUSING EQUIVALENT, 14 OF THEM ACCEPTED.

11 SAID NO, WE'LL MOVE ALONG.

>> THAT'S WHY THIS MAKES IT TY.

IT IS ICKY IS PERHAPS A GOOD WORD.

>> IT'S SCIENTIFIC TERM.

>> A TERM OF ART.

AND I LIKE ICKY.

IT'S REALLY NOT GREAT.

BUT AS YOU SAY, IT'S WHAT CITIES DO.

AND I THINK THE JONES ADMINISTRATION DID THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT, IS TO YOUR POINT, IT WASN'T JUST THE POLICE COMING IN AND SWEEPING THEM.

THAT HAPPENS IN SOME PLACES.

>> YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE.

THE COURT OF APPEALS SAYS IF YOU MOVE THEM OFF OF PUBLIC PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO OFFER -- >> GIVING TOO MUCH CREDIT.

IT'S A BAD SITUATION, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE WERE ABLE TO SOMEHOW FOCUS ON LONG TERM SOLUTIONS.

>> WE WERE UPSET ENOUGH ABOUT THE STATE RESTRICTING.

THE STATE PROPERTY.

>> HOW WAS THIS DIFFERENT?

>> YOU'RE RIGHT.

>> WERE THE PEOPLE WORRIED WE WOULD SHOOT THE AIRPLANE OUT OF THE SKY?

>> IT WAS INTERESTING TO ME, AN EVESDROPPER.

>> WHEN WE WENT TO GRACELAND, AND THE GUIDE SAYING, WHERE ARE YOU FROM, FROM NEW YORK.

LOVE NEW YORK.

WHERE ARE YOU FROM.

WEST VIRGINIA, AND ST. LOUIS.

AND HE SAID, YOU HAVE PROBLEMS.

>> RIGHT THERE.

>> YOU'RE IN MEMPHIS.

>> NEXT TOPIC.

>>> I WANT TO ASK YOU OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT PROTECTION ACT.

MISSOURI LAW THAT SAYS LOCAL POLICE OFFICERS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE LOCAL LEVEL AND STATE LEVEL CANNOT UPHOLD FEDERAL STATUTES IF THEY'RE MORE -- THAN THE LOCAL GUN LAWS.

IT WENT IN FRONT OF THE U.S. DISTRICT COURT IN KANSAS CITY, AND SHUT DOWN.

DO YOU THINK IT HAS A CHANCE OF RESURRECTING IN THE FUTURE?

>> SURE, THE REPUBLICAN JUDGE WILL LOOK AT IT.

AND YOU HAVE TO -- WE'RE CRAZY ABOUT GUNS.

THE IDEA THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS DECIDED TO JUVENILES CAN WALK DOWN THE STREET, CARRYING WEAPONS IS NUTS.

BUT THERE ARE JUDGES OUT THERE, IF IT GETS TO THE WRONG JUDGES IN THE COURT OF APPEALS, A PANEL OF THREE, YOU GET TWO REPUBLICANS, THEY MIGHT WELL SAY, YES, THIS IS FINE.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE DRIVEN A STAKE THROUGH THE HEART OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT LAW YET.

>> YOU MAY BE RIGHT.

I RUNOFFLY HAVE THE SAME LEGAL CREDENTIALS AS YOU.

>> THE APPELLATE COURT -- >> I WOULD THINK NOT.

I THINK THIS IS NOT GOING TO SURVIVE, PAUSE IT'S SO BLATANTLY AN INFRINGEMENT ON THE FEDERAL SOVEREIGNTY.

THAT PRETTY MUCH FEDERAL LAWS TRUMP.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE FURTHER IT GOES, IT'LL JUST SHOW THAT ANDREW BAILEY, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WILL WASTE TAXPAYER'S MONEY.

HE DOESN'T HAVE TO.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO WIN ON APPEAL.

THE STATE IS NOT.

HE CAN'T, FIRST OF ALL, DOESN'T PASS THE COMMON SENSE TEST YOU DEFUND THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT IF THEY COOPERATE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON GUN CRIMES, REALLY?

>> THE PRINCIPLE, LEGALIZED PSYCHEDELIC MUSHROOMS.

THAT'S AGAINST ALL FEDERAL LAW AND RIGHT TO DIE, THAT IS AGAINST FEDERAL LAW, WE LOOK AT STUFF LIKE THAT, AND I LIKE WHAT OREGON IS DOING.

>> THAT'S DIFFERENT.

>> LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THEY CAN'T -- YOU CAN'T HELP ENFORCE A GUN LAW SO -- >> YOU'LL DEFUND THE POLICE.

>> OFF IN THE HOUSE, WITH -- THOMPSONS IN YOUR TOWN, AND THE FEDS ARE COMING IN, BUT WE NEED YOUR HELP.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HELP YOU.

THAT'S JUST BEYOND -- >> THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO GO BANANAS WHEN TALKING ABOUT DEFUNDING THE POLICE.

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT FREAK OUT BECAUSE CITIES HAVE SANCTUARY POLICIES.

THEY WON'T COOPERATE WITH THE ICE.

HOMELAND SECURITY.

IT'S JUST, THE SAME THING, BUT -- THE SAME SHOE BUT ON A DIFFERENT FOOT >> THE REPUBLICANS WHEN IT'S ON THAT FOOT, ARE VERY MUCH OUT RAGED.

>> CORRECT.

>> IT'LL BE INTERESTING.

WE'LL SEE.

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT -- ASSUMING THERE COULDN'T BE.

I DO NOT THINK THAT SOMETHING, IT'S ONE THING TO TALK ABOUT -- >> LET ME ASK THE NEXT QUESTION.

AND THAT GOES TO THE PAY FOR POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CITY, APPARENT THERE WAS SOME DEAL STRUCK THAT OFFICERS AND SERGEANTS WILL GET 8 TO $10,000 BONUSES, OR A SIGNING BONUS AND THE WAGE GOES UP 8 TO 10%.

THE STARTING SALARY UP TO $54,000.

GOOD MOVE?

>> ABSOLUTELY, IT'S ABOUT TIME.

IT'S NOT THE ONLY ANSWER BY ANY MEANS, AND THOSE OF US, BELIEVE ATTACK THE CAUSES OF CRIME, HAVE NOT CHANGED MY MIND ON THAT.

BUT THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO PAY THE OFFICERS MORE AND EXPECT MORE OF THEM.

AND GENERALLY TREAT THEM BETTER.

I THINK THAT ABSOLUTELY, AND IT'S ENOUGH OF A PAY RAISE, IT'S NOT SMALL TOKEN BUMP.

IT BRINGS THE CITY CLOSE TO COUNTY AND ONE OF THE PROBLEM, NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM, BUT ONE OF THE -- ELIMINATING THE GAP IS EVERY BIT AS IMPORTANT AS NOT LETTING THE STATE GET THE GUN CONTROL.

>> THEY HAVE THE CAVEAT IF THE STATE TAKES CONTROL, THE CITY COULDN'T RESCIND THE RAISE.

THAT'S IN THERE TO CALM THE LEGISLATURE DOWN AT LEAST FOR THIS SESSION.

YOU HAVE THE POLICE OFFICERS EXPECTING A RAISE ON JULY 1, AND THEY BETTER GET IT.

THEY'LL BE MAD AT JEFFERSON CITY.

I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE A CASE HERE, CRIME IS STILL RAM PANT, AND YOU GOT YOUR RAISE, AND THE POLICE WILL TALK ABOUT WHO STARTS THE CRIME.

>> YEAH.

>> ONE LESS.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'LL HELP.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'LL HELP, THE STARTING SALARY AT 54, IN COMPLAINT AT 68.

IN CLANLT, TOP OUT -- CLAYTON AT EIGHT YEARS.

>> THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DISBAND THE POLICE FORCE -- >> THERE'S NOT THAT MANY APPLYING, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

YOU FILL THE ACADEMY CLASSES, YOU WON'T GET UP TO THE NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS YOU NEED IN TEN YEARS.

>> IT'S NOT.

>> IT'S NOT LIKE THE COUNTY IS GOING TO DISARM OR ST. CHARLES, THEY'LL RAISE THEIR PAY.

>> WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF -- >> IT'S NOT TO BE MORE MONEY.

IT'S $16 MILLION A YEAR NOW.

>> I THOUGHT YOU WERE -- >> (MULTIPLE VOICES).

>> YOU'RE YOUNG AND TALENTED, YOU CAN WORK IN THE CITY WHERE IT'S REALLY TOUGH POLICING WHERE IT'S 64 OR CLAYTON WHERE IT'S 68.

>> YOU CAN'T USE CLAYTON AS THE STANDARD.

>> YOU CAN'T USE ANY, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S INCOME FREE.

WE'LL ONLY HAVE SO MANY IN CLAYTON.

SO MANY IN KURTWOOD.

>> WHAT NUMBER WOULD YOU RAISE IT TO?

>> IF CLAYTON GOT TO THE -- >> THE MAGIC NUMBER.

>> NUMBER 71.

THE SAME NUMBER OF DOLLARS THE ALDERMEN JUST GAVE THEMSELVES.

>> THE POINT IS MORE.

IF CLAYTON, CURTWOOD, AND SUNSET HILLS, FILLED EVERY EMPTY SPOT THEY HAD, YOU WOULD STILL, # 5% OF THE -- 95% OF THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE STILL IN THE CITY.

>> I KNOW A SENIOR IN COLLEGE, WHO HAS A JOB COMING UP.

SHE'S GOING TO MAKE MORE THAN THE -- >> YOU'RE MAKING IT SOUND LIKE IF I WORK IN THE CITY -- >> THERE'S A NATIONAL POLICE OFFICER -- >> WHAT'S THE RATE IN THE CITY.

ARE WE DOWN 130?

>> IN CLAYTON?

>> THEY'RE LOOKING.

>> THEY'RE DOWN 130 OFFICERS.

>> BUT THEY'RE ONE OF 92.

>> WE HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK.

>> WE MAY CONTINUE AFTER THE IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENTS.

NOW THE POLICE HAVE MORE MONEY, THEY CAN JOIN US FOR DONNYBASH.

>> I LOVE THEIR BANTER AND ARGUMENTS.

IT REMINDS ME OF FAMILY.

IT REMINDS ME OF FAMILY.

YOU KNOW AND LOVE, WE'RE ABLE TO TRANSFORM LIVING ROOMS INTO CONCERT HALLS AND PUT YOU IN THE THICK OF ACTION, AND YOUR FAVORITES.

ONE ROOM THAT WE WANT TO PUT YOU IN, WHERE IT'S HAPPENING IS DONNYBASH.

WHEN YOU BECOME A MEMBER, THANK YOU TO YOU.

WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THE CHANCE TO BE IN THE ROOM.

A $75 LEVEL, ONE TIME, YOU HAVE THE CHOICE BETWEEN A TICKET TO DONNYBASH OR THE MUG.

YOU SEE THEM DRINK OUT OF THIS, EVERY WEEK.

I PERSONALLY LOVE IT.

ALSO, THERE'S THE TICKET.

AND I ADORE DONNYBASH AS WELL.

YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS IT.

IT'S OUR WAY OF SAYING THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THEN, THE NEXT LEVEL, A $12 A MONTH, THAT'S THE MONTHLY SUSTAINING LEVEL, WE MAKE IT SUPER EASY.

OR ONE TIME OF 144, YOU GET A COMBO OF THE TWO TICKETS, AND YOU GET THE MUG.

SO TWO TICKETS AND DRINK FROM THAT FAVORITE MUG OF YOURS.

TWO TICKETS, ON SATURDAY JUNE 15 AT THE SHELDON CONCERT HALL.

ONE OF MY FAVORITE PLACES IN ALL OF ST. LOUIS.

THEY DON'T HAVE A BAD SEAT IN THE WHOLE HOUSE.

GIVE US A CALL RIGHT NOW, BECOME A MEMBER OR IF YOU'RE ALREADY A MEMBER, COME ON DOWN AND GET YOUR TICKETS.

ENJOY DONNYBASH.

LET'S JUMP BACK IN.

>> ABSOLUTELY, AND WHAT WAS THAT BEAUTIFUL BUILDING -- >> THE SHELDON.

>> IT'S KIND OF BLAH, AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.

WHERE ARE WE?

>> THE SHELDON, I THINK IN SPRINGTIME.

YEAH.

>> LIKE IN JUNE.

>> WE'LL ALL HAVE MAYBE LIGHTER CLOTHES ON.

>> HOPEFULLY.

>> I THINK I'LL BE WEARING THIS JACKET.

>> PROBABLY THAT TIE.

THAT TIE THERE, YOU TALK ABOUT THE -- IN OREGON -- >> I THINK OF OREGON FONDLY.

>> IT'S A FUN TIME, A LIVE BROADCAST, NOT AN OPEN BAR BUT A BAR THAT'S OPEN PRIOR TO THE SHOW.

AND THEN THE SHOW, AND WE RETIRE FOR MORE APPETIZERS AND DESSERTS AND A HOT TODDY OR TWO.

A COLD BEER.

>> GOOD CONVERSATION.

I WAS THINKING EARLIER TODAY, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT VOTER APATHY AND THE ELECTIONS AND YOU WON'T FIND MY APATHY AT THE SHELDON FOR DONNYBASH.

THOSE FOLKS, THE FAMILY IS REALLY PLUGGED IN TO WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> AND ALSO SEEMS TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAN VOTERS.

>> THAT'S TRUE.

>> FORTUNATELY, THE ROOM IS ALWAYS PACKED.

WITH SOMETIMES WITH REGULARS, AND SOMETIMES WITH NEW FOLKS.

IT'S VERY, IT'S A GREAT NIGHT FOR US.

>> A FUNDRAISER.

>> AND YOU'RE SUPPORTING THE PBS, 9 PBS.

THAT'S NOT ONLY OUR PROGRAM, BUT IT'S AN AMAZING PROGRAM.

>> IT'S FUN TO DO, AND THE INTERACTION WITH THE AUDIENCE.

AND THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN HELP OURSELVES FROM NOT PLAYING TO THE CROWD.

AND -- >> THE STAR.

THE STAR.

>> ALVIN HAS THE THEATER BACKGROUND.

>> YOU'RE ON STAGE, AND IT'S LIVE TV.

PEOPLE SEE THEMSELVES ON THE CLIPS, I WAS IN A CLIP.

YEAH, IT WAS LIVE TV.

THAT HAPPENED.

IT'S NOT A VIDEO CLIP THE NIGHT OF THE SHOW YOU WERE ON TV.

GET TWO TICKETS.

>> CALL OR TEXT.

AT THAT NUMBER, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN JUNE.

WE'LL TELL YOU BEFORE THE END OF THE SOMEHOW, HOW TO JOIN US.

>> 15 OR SO WORLD SERIES, MEANWHILE THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC AT THE TIMES HAVE DOUBLED.

>> I'M NOT A SURVEY SCIENTIST, OR THE PEOPLE WHO DO THIS THING CAN HAVE A WAY TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

I'M NOT READY TO SAY, THE TWO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER.

I THINK THE PREVALENCE OF GUNS IN THE CITY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE CRIME PROBLEM.

BUT I CAN'T PUT IT ALL ON THE PREVALENCE OF GUNS IN THE SAME CITY.

MAKES SENSE.

BUT UNTIL WE STUDY THE NUMBERS -- >> YOU REMIND ME OF THE TOBACCO COMPANIES OF 30 YEARS AGO.

THEY'RE NOT PULLING OVER PEOPLE, AND SPEEDING, WE'LL HAVE MORE REACTION.

AND THE CORRELATION IS REAL.

I WISH I COULD CONVINCE YOU ON THAT.

>> AND -- I'M LEANING ON WHAT LITTLE STATISTICS, KNOWLEDGE OF CLASS, THE ONE I TOOK, WHICH WAS REALLY HARD, BY THE WAY.

>> JUST RELY ON YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE.

THAT'LL TELL YOU ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW.

SINCE THE PANDEMIC, WE HAVE ALL HAD THE EXPERIENCE WHERE PEOPLE SEEM TO BE EXERCISING SOME KIND OF WEIRD DEATH WISH ON THE HIGHWAY.

I SEE PEOPLE DARTING IN AND OUT AT HIGH RATES OF SPEED LIKE I HAVE NEVER IN MY PROFESSIONAL DRIVING CAREER.

SO, THAT TO ME, I'M WITH YOU.

THAT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE.

IT CAN'T BE, AND OF COURSE THE AFORE MENTIONED SITUATION, WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY POLICE OFFICERS.

>> I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE A PROFESSIONAL DRIVER.

>> I DON'T LIKE TO BRAG.

>> YOU'RE HOT TODAY.

>> I HAD NO IDEA.

I AGREE IT'S CORRELATED.

YOU CAN'T DENY, IT'S NOT THE ONLY FACTOR.

IT GIVES ME A CHANCE TO DO MY COMMERCIAL ABOUT CORRELATION, IF YOU INSTALL RED LIGHT CAMERAS, THE STATISTICS SHOW THAT TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS GO UP.

IF YOU'RE THINKING THAT'S THE SOLUTION, THEY GO UP.

PEOPLE JAM ON THE BRAKES BECAUSE OF THE LIGHTS.

I THINK IT'S CLEAR.

AND YOU KNOW, NONE OF US HERE HAS THE ANSWER.

>> WE DO.

>> WELL, OKAY.

>> I THINK, ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO FREE THE RESOURCES.

AND MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT.

>> MAYBE BRINGING THE STATE TROOPERS, THEY'RE NOT PATROLLING THE TREATS LIKE THEY -- STREETS LIKE THEY MIGHT HAVE.

I SAW TWO INTERESTING TWEETS.

A GUY WITH NO PLATES DRIVING RIGHT THROUGH A RED LIGHT.

AND DAVID CARSON HAD THE MOST UNUSUAL TWEET.

HE TOOK A PHOTO OF A POLICE OFFICER PULLING OVER A SPEEDING MOTORIST ON HIGHWAY 6440.

>> PEOPLE DO GET TICKETS THERE.

>> THEY DO.

THAT'S RIGHT.

>> AND YOU HAVE TO WONDER, IS THERE, AS LONG AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STATISTICS.

STATS, THANK YOU.

DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF LITTER THAT WE'RE SEEING.

NOT JUST HERE BUT IN THE CITY.

EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY.

THE FACT YOU DON'T HAVE THE POLICE PRESENCE -- YOU THINK THERE'S A CONNECTION?

>> I THINK THERE'S A STRONGER ONE ABOUT THE -- I DON'T THINK THAT, EVEN IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS, I DON'T KNOW THAT POLICE WERE PULLING OVER THAT MANY PEOPLE FOR LITTER.

>> A PRESENCE?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

BUT I THINK YOU HAVE A POINT OF THE DEATHS, ANYBODY THAT DRIVES IN THE CITY, ALL OF US ARE AWARE OF THIS PROBLEM.

>> STAY IN YOUR LANE.

>>> THE NEXT TOPIC, WENDY IF YOU'RE CONCERNED OF THE LITTER, I'M PART OF A GROUP, THAT PICKS UP THE LITTER.

CONTACT ME HERE.

WENDY, ASK YOU OF THE GATEWAY ARCH, RELEASED FIGURES INDICATING THE VISITOR INCREASED.

1.6 MILLION VISITORS TO THE ARCH GROUNDS AND THE OLD COURTHOUSE LAST YEAR.

THAT'S STILL A FAR CRY FROM THE MID TO LATE 90S, ALMOST 4 MILLION VISITED.

ARE YOU HAPPY?

>> I AM HAPPY.

AND I HAD BEEN AS GUILTY AS MANY OF OUR FELLOW RESIDENTS, AND I HAD NOT BEEN DOWN THERE SINCE THE KIDS WERE LITTLE.

I THINK IT COMES TO CRIME OR THE FEAR OF BEING DOWNTOWN, THAT SO MANY TALK ABOUT.

I THINK THE ARCH IS AN ISLAND IN THEIR MIND.

THEY THINK OF IT AS A NATIONAL PARK, THEY FEEL SAFE THERE.

I'M THRILLED IT'S GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

IT WAS UNFORTUNATE THAT AROUND THE TIME THAT ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE REDESIGN AND EVERYTHING WAS UNVEILED.

COVID.

IT'S A GLOBAL PHENOMENON.

PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD COME HERE TO SEE THE ARCH.

KEEP PULLING IT UP, I GUESS.

>> THE ARCH, NATIONALLY, INTERNATIONALLY I DON'T WANT TO SAY OVERRATED, BUT THE ASSOCIATION WITH ST. LOUIS IS SOMETIMES OVERDONE.

BUT I THINK IT'S UNDERRATED LOCALLY.

I DON'T THINK WE FULLY APPRECIATE HOW LARGE -- BETWEEN THE ARCH.

YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S AN ISLAND.

THE VISITORSHIP OF THE ARCH IS A BIG THING.

WE HAVE STRUGGLED FOREVER TO CONNECT IT TO THE REST OF DOWNTOWN.

BUT HAVING SAID THAT, IT'S A GOOD SIGN.

YOU TALK ABOUT CORRELATIONS AND STUFF, THE FACT THAT THE NUMBERS ARE NEAR PREPANDEMIC LEVELS SAYS THAT PERHAPS THE TOURISM AND THE VISITORSHIP PROBLEM IS NOT AS BAD AS PEOPLE THINK IT IS.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD SIGN.

>> IT'S NOT THAT INTREFS, 41% -- IMPRESSIVE, 41% THE YEAR AFTER COVID, PEOPLE DIDN'T TRAVEL, WORKED IN HOTEL ROOMS.

THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.

AND 1.6 MILLION, THAT'S HALF OF WHAT WE WERE GETTING IN THE 1990S, WHEN THE ARCH WAS SEPARATED FROM THE REST OF DOWNTOWN.

WHEN IT WAS -- 25 YEARS AGO, PEOPLE HAD NO PROBLEM CROSSING THE STREET TO GET TO THE ARCH GROUNDS.

4 MILLION A YEAR.

>> BUT IT WAS SEPARATED, AND NO QUESTION.

>> BUT NOW IT'S JOINED.

WE HAVE FEWER PEOPLE.

>> I THINK -- YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE COMING BACK AFTER THE PANDEMIC.

AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT PEOPLE ARE DRAWN TO THE KARJ.

-- ARCH.

WHAT DO PEOPLE DO WHEN YOU GO TO ST. LOUIS.

THE CARDINAL BASEBALL GAME, THE ZOO AND THE ARCH.

THOSE ARE THREE YOU HAVE TO DO.

>> YOU DRIVE BY CHARLIE BRENNEN HOUSE.

THE TOUR BUS.

>> YOU HAVE A PROBLEM TONIGHT.

>> GOT A BIG RAISE, YOU'RE FURIOUS IT'S NOT BIGGER.

THE ARCH IS GETTING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE, HAPPY ABOUT IT, AND UPSET THAT IT'S NOT BIGGER.

LET'S DO THESE IN INCREMENTS.

>> SORRY FOR NOT BEING THE STENOGRAPHER.

I WANT THE ARCH TO SUCCEED, BUT I DON'T WANT -- I THINK THERE'S A CRIME PROBLEM.

WE HAD A BLUES RECRUIT WHO WAS ATTACKED ON IT.

>> HOW MANY OF YOU, ALVIN SAYS IF WE HAVE FRIENDS OUT OF TOWN, WE GO THERE.

BUT HOW OFTEN DO YOU VISIT WITH YOUR LOVED ONES ON A REGULAR BASIS?

>> I DON'T NEED TO GO UP 700 FEET IN THE AIR.

IT'S MAY TIME TO GO BACK.

>> MAYBE WE NEED, LIKE I SUGGESTED YEARS AGO.

A BEER FWARGARDEN ON THE ARCH.

>> ARCH FEST.

AND WE COULD HAVE IT OVER THE 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND.

>> IN THE 1980 IS, A PUBLICATION, 300,000 PEOPLE, AND THE ADVERTISERS, WE WERE CHOSEN, WE HAD THE ADVERTISING.

THE ADVERTISING WEST FROM BASICALLY 4TH STREET WEST GOT ALMOST NOTHING FROM IT.

AND THE ADVERTISERS IN THE LANDING AND THE BOATS AND THE MCDONALD'S ALL THOSE, IF THEY ADVERTISED, HELICOPTER TOURS, THEY WERE BOMBARDED WITH RESULTS.

IF YOU HAD A RESTAURANT, THE MINE SHAFT OR SOMETHING, IT JUST DIDN'T WORK.

IT REALLY IS TRUE THAT IT'S BEEN DISCONNECTED.

BUT I THINK THAT IT IS -- WE SHOULD NEVER UNDERAPPRECIATE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS, AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

>> I STILL THINK WE SHOULD CALL IT THE ARCH.

BRING IT BACK -- POLISH THE ARCH.

THE DAY THEY PUT THE LAST SECTION IN.

>> MAYBE WE WILL.

WENDY?

>> QUESTION THAT.

IF WE'RE SPENDING MONEY POLICY -- >> THAT'S FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

>> THAT'S NOT US.

WENDY WIESE, THE COUNTY IS SPENDING $300,000 OR VOTED TO, TO PROMOTE A TAX INCREASE, IN UNINCORPORATED ST. LOUIS COUNTY TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT THE BENEFITS, I GUESS, OF THE POSSIBLE INCREASE IN THE MARIJUANA TAX.

WELL, TOM SULLIVAN SAYS IT'S NOT LEGAL.

AND THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE SPENDING MONEY ON BALLOT MEASURES.

I AGREE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK THAT YOU AND TOM SULLIVAN ARE INCREDIBLY BRIGHT.

I THINK OF THE NATURE OF THIS PARTICULAR INDUSTRY AND I WOULD WANT TO COVER MY BASES.

AND $300,000 DOESN'T SEEM THAT MUCH TO ASK OR TO TO SPEND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE COVERING YOUR BASES AND EDUCATING THE PUBLIC.

>> AND TEN FOLD, WITH THE TAX INCREASE?

>> THE ONLY REASON ACTUALLY DOING IT, IS BECAUSE WE NEED THE TAX MONEY.

>> AND I HOPE THAT THE LICK RELATIONS FIRM, SOMEONE FROM ST. LOUIS.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO PUBLICIZE THIS.

>> I'M NOT WASTING A DOLLAR, BUT $300,000 IS -- >> COMPARED TO OTHER THINGS WE HAVE SPENT MONEY ON.

>> I'M AFRAID WHEN THE GOVERNMENT GETS INVOLVED IN THE ELECTORAL BALLOT MEASURES.

SEEMS TO BE A CHINESE WALL BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT AND SPENDING AND WHAT'S ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER.

>> IF YOU'RE PHRASING IT LIKE, WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU HOW TO VOTE, APPROXIMATE BUT IF YOU VOTE A CERTAIN WAY, THIS WILL COME IN THE COUNTY.

I THINK THAT'S FAIR.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CHINESE HAVE TO DO WITH IT.

>> THEY HAVE BALLOONS.

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RIGHT NOW, LET'S GO BACK TO THE TABLE AND ENJOY A BIT MORE OF THE DISCUSSION.

>> THAT'S THE KIND OF DISCUSSION WE'LL HAVE IN JUNE AT DONNYBASH.

IT'S A LIVE BROADCAST WHERE WE MINGLE WITH YOU BEFOREHAND, THERE'S THE SHOW, AND MINGLE WITH YOU AFTER.

THE BAR IS OPEN.

AND WE RAISE A LOT OF MONEY FOR 9 PBS.

THANKS IF ADVANCE FOR YOUR GENEROSITY.

>> THERE IS SOMETHING OF THE VIEWER.

WE ENCOUNTER THEM CONSTANTLY.

WE ENCOUNTER YOU CONSTANTLY, AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE ENCOUNTERS, AND FOR YOU TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS A VIEWER, BUT THIS IS JUST A FUN WE TO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE SUPPORTING THE STATION.

IT'S THE SENSE OF OWNERSHIP.

WHEN YOU SKIN IN THE GAME, IT'S LIKE, AND THIS IS A BIG PARTY, THERE'S NO -- IT'S JUST AN ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS EVENING.

YOU'LL HAVE MORE FUN THAN YOU REALIZE.

>> A GREAT MOTHER'S DAY GIFT.

FATHER'S DAY GIFT.

>> OH GOSH, BIRTHDAY GIFT.

>> IT'S NOT TERRIBLY EXPENSIVE AND IT'S SOMETHING TO DO.

>> WITH LIKE MINDED PEOPLE.

PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE, DO SO IN AN AGREEABLE WAY.

IT'LL RESTORE YOUR FAITH IN HUMANITY.

IT WILL.

>> AFTER WE'VE DONE THEM FOR MANY YEARS, IT DIDN'T TAKE ME LONG TO BE CONVINCED, WE'RE PART OF THE EVENING BUT PEOPLE GENERALLY WANT TO COME TO SUPPORT THE STATION.

>> WE'RE A THROW IN.

A GOOD TIME.

BUT THE FIRST THING IS TO SUPPORT CHANNEL 9.

>> WE'RE THE TREAT BACK.

THEIR FIRST THOUGHT IS, I REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT THE STATION.

IT'S NOT IMPORTANT.

THIS STATION IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW.

>> I DISAGREE WITH ALL THAT.

ONE THING NOT TO FORGET.

THE ARCH BEING UNDERRATED, THE SHOW IS A TREASURE.

IN EVERY RESPECT, WE SOMETIMES TAKE FOR GRANTED IN ST. LOUIS THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE VENUES LIKE THE SHELDON.

THE SHELDON IS A TREASURE.

AND WE SHOULD REALLY ENJOY, WE'RE HONORED TO BE A PART OF IT.

IT'S A GREAT VENUE FOR THIS.

>> GREAT POINT.

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BACK TO OUR DISCUSSION.

>>> IN THE CITY, KEPT ASKING FOR ALL SORTS OF EVIDENCE AND INFORMATION TO BE HANDED TO HIM BY THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY DIDN'T GET THAT.

HE GOT 15 YEARS FOR KILLING TWO.

SOME THOUGHT HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A LIFETIME.

IN THE COUNTY, A YOUNG GUY 20 YEARS OLD, INHALING SUBSTANCES, CRASHED HIS CAR IN AN URGENT CARE WORKER, AND HE GO TWO YEARS.

ANOTHER GUY, SLASHED A WOMAN TO DEATH AND DUMPED THE BODY IN FRONT OF THE FIRE HOUSE.

HE GOT ONLY SEVEN YEARS.

WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> IN THE CITY, IN THAT CASE, THAT WAS DYSFUNCTION IN THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

AND THE JUDGE SANCTIONED HIM AND SET ANOTHER DATE, AND STILL DIDN'T GIVE IT OVER.

FINALLY, LET THE GUY PLEAD.

AND TWO MURDERS, AND VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER CHARGES.

THAT'S ON THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY.

IN THE COUNTY, THAT CASE WHERE THE KID WAS HIGH ON INHANLT -- AND KILLED THE GIRL AND THEW THEM AWAY.

AND WESLEY BELL SAYS THE TOXICOLOGY, IT'S HARD TO PROVE THAT HE WAS HIGH ON THAT.

THAT'S THE SORT OF CASE I THINK MR. BELL SHOULD HAVE TAKEN IT TO COURT ANYWAY.

LET A JURY DECIDE.

HERE'S THE EVIDENCE OF WHAT HE DID, AND HE TRIED TO THROW THEM AWAY.

THAT'S EVIDENCE TO ME.

MAYBE THE JURY WOULD SAY THAT'S NOT ENOUGH.

I THINK THAT CASE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO COURT.

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE EUREKA CASE.

>> THE PARENTS SEEMED TO BE OKAY WITH THE TOTAL ACCESS, THE YOUNG WOMAN KILLED AND THE INHALENTS INVOLVED.

HOW HARD IS IT FOR US TO CHANGE.

WE'VE LEARNED SO MUCH OF THE LEGAL SYSTEM.

AND THE FACT THAT WHAT WE THINK IS A SLAM DUNK IS NOT NECESSARILY A SLAM DUNK.

WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO CHANGE THOSE TOXICOLOGY RESTRICTIONS OR LIMITATIONS, OR MAKE IT EASIER TO PROVE -- >> THAT'S SCIENTIFICALLY, ESPECIALLY WITH MARIJUANA, THEY'LL WORK OUT SOME WAY.

>> IF YOU HAD DRANK A CASE OF BEER, AND THEY TESTED NOW YOU WERE OBVIOUSLILY DRUNK AND HIT THIS PERSON, CHANCES ARE YOU WOULDN'T GO TO JAIL.

>> IF YOU KILLED A PERSON, I THINK YOU WOULD.

>> BUT, NOW, I JUST WATCHED TOO MUCH LAW AND ORDER, SINCE 1992.

YOU MURDER SOMEONE AND PLEADING FOLKS AT 7 AND A HALF YEARS EACH, OH, NO.

IF I WAS RUNNING FOR COUNTY, CITY, WHATEVER, YOU MURDER SOMEONE, DON'TS THINK YOU'RE GETTING OUT OF HERE WITH LESS THAN 20 YEARS.

I'M NOT PLEADING ANYONE OUT AT 7 YEARS.

NO.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT TO THAT.

>> LET'S GET YOUR NAME ON A BALLOT.

>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE -- TO BE PROSECUTOR.

>> MY GUESS, THEY ALL SOUND OUTRAGEOUS ON THE FACE TO ME.

USUALLY THERE'S MORE TO THE STORY THAN MEETS THE EYE.

AND I DON'T CERTAINLY WANT TO QUESTION OUR ROLE, IT'S EASIER TO CRITICIZE AND CREATE THAT'S WHY I DIVIDED MY LIFE TO CRITICIZING OTHER PEOPLE.

MY GUESS IS THERE'S GOOD REASON FOR -- HE'S NOT SOFT ON CRIME.

REASONABLE PEOPLE DISAGREE.

VERY SELDOM DO THE LIGHT SENTENCES COME BECAUSE SOMEONE FELT SORRY.

I THINK IT'S MORE LIKELY THERE ARE PROBLEMS GETTING A CONVICTION.

AND I'M GUESSING.

>> AND THE MEASURE THAT PASSED THE HOUSE THIS WEEK.

AND IT'S CALLED OPEN ENROLLMENT.

UP TO 3% OF STUDENTS FROM SCHOOL DISTRICT CAN MOVE FROM ONE SCHOOL TO ANOTHER.

MAYBE THEY LIKE THE THEATERLY PROGRAM OR THE SOFTBALL TEAM.

THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT THESE STUDENTS, BUT IT WOULD MEAN THE KIDS GO AND WITH THEM THE STATE THARZ.

WHICH A LOT OF SUPERINTENDENTS ARE SAYING, THAT'LL PUT US IN A TERRIBLE POSITION.

>> WHO'S GOING TO MOVE WHERE AND WHY.

AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.

IS THIS A GREAT PLAN, NO, IT'S NOT.

BUT YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.

THIS IS THE TRANSFER PROGRAM FOR ATHLETES IN THE ST. LOUIS AREA.

JOULE HAVE TO WATCH -- YOU'LL HAVE TO WATCH, A -- THEY CAN'T FIND A SCHOOL TO GO TO.

BUT THE GUY THAT CAN RUN THE FOOTBALL WILL GO TO A COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL.

THAT NEED TO BE WATCHED VERY CLOSELY.

>> PARENT ARE SO RATIONAL AND LEVEL HEADED WHEN IT COMES TO THE CHILDREN AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAY BE ARE DENIED TO THEM.

I'M WITH YOU.

>> WHO'S IDEA WAS THIS?

>> THE STATES.

>> IT'S COMING FROM PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DISMANTLE PUBLIC EDUCATION.

I THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA.

BUT I DON'T THINK -- >> SCHOOL CHOICE, AND -- >> IT'S ALL PART OF THE SAME EFFORT.

>> I AGREE.

>> IN GENERAL -- >> PUBLIC SCHOOL.

WHO ARE WE GETTING, NO ONE FROM -- SAYS, I CAN GO THE CITY SCHOOL NOW.

IT'S A PUBLIC SCHOOL.

>> I GET IT.

I'M SUSPICIOUS OF IT.

>> I THINK AREAS WITH LOW PROPERTY TAXES WILL REALLY SUFFER.

THEY'LL GO TO THE DISTRICTS THAT SEEM BETTER.

>> RAY, KANSAS CITY DOES HAVE SOME OF THE NCAA MARCH MADNESS THIS YEAR.

BUT WE BEAT THEM OUT IN A POLL FOR CITIES WITH THE BEST ST. PATRICK'S DAY FESTIVITIES.

APPARENT, ST. LOUIS HAS BETTER FESTIVITIES THAN KANSAS CITY.

ARE YOU HAPPY?

>> I THINK WE'RE RATED 56TH IN THE COUNTRY.

AND KANSAS CITY WAS 69TH.

THEY HAD US AHEAD OF KANSAS CITY UNDER SECURITY.

FOR SAFETY.

THAT NARRATIVE SHOULD BE SENT TO THE FOLKS IN JEFFERSON CITY, WHO BY THE WAY, HAVE CONTROL OF KANSAS CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE IDEA OF STATE CONTROL OF LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS, IS A JOKE.

THAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE.

>> BACK TO THE ST. PATRICK'S DAY.

>> THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART.

>> WE DO HAVE A GOOD ST. PATRICK'S DAY CELEBRATION.

>> WE TOO.

>> THE DOG POUND PROGRAM, HAS AUTHENTICITY.

>> AND ST. CHARLES NOW.

>> AREN'T WE ONE OF THE TIP PI TOPS IN TERMS OF MARDI GRAS CELEBRATION?

WHY ARE WE 65TH?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT EITHER.

LOOK AT THAT, FAIR BANKS, ALASKA -- >> BOSTON WAS NUMBER ONE.

>> THAT MAKES SENSE.

I THINK THAT -- AS A BEER TOWN, WE SHOULD BE PROBABLY IN THE FACE -- FOR NOT GIVING US THE CREDIT FOR REALLY IT SHALL I THINK WE WERE RANKED HIGH IN TRADITION.

>> WHAT DOES WALLET HUB KNOW -- >> WHAT TO THEY KNOW ABOUT BEER.

>>> MAYBE, WHILE HUB CAN JOIN US FOR DONNYBASH.

SORRY TO SAY THIS, BUT YOUR PROMO'S ARE OVERKILL.

THEY TAKE UP TOO MUCH BROADCAST TIME, AND WAY TOO LONG.

SANDRA WROTE, BILL, WHEN HE HEARD NEARBY GUN FIRE.

I LOVE CROWN CANDY WHEN I SAW THE OWNER'S LARGE POSTER ADVERTISING A GUN RALLY.

AND ANDREW, WROTE, LAST WEEK THE PANEL STARTED WITH A DISCUSSION OF THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM IN ST. LOUIS.

ONE ONLY HAS TO LOOK AT THE AUTOMOBILE MANUFACTURER AS THE CAUSE.

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