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BOB ABERNETHY<\/strong>, anchor: We have a profile today of the poet and writer Kathleen Norris, whose books have won her many admirers, especially among religious believers. After nearly 10 years of literary silence she has a new book out called \u201cAcedia and Me.\u201d Acedia, Norris says, is a kind of spiritual gloom that she has endured on and off since she was 15.
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Kathleen Norris<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n

KATHLEEN NORRIS<\/strong> (Author and Poet): It\u2019s an ancient word that basically means the inability to care, even to the extent that you can\u2019t care that you don\u2019t care anymore. It\u2019s sort of a really drastic, nasty form of indifference.<\/p>\n

ABERNETHY<\/strong>: Norris first became popular in the \u201990s with a story about her life on the Great Plains, to which she and her husband had moved from New York City. The book was called \u201cDakota.\u201d In the Dakotas, and then at St. John\u2019s Abbey in Minnesota, Norris discovered Benedictine monasteries and the ancient practice of chanting the psalms five times a day. She wrote about monastic life in \u201cThe Cloister Walk.\u201d Next, in \u201cAmazing Grace,\u201d Norris offered her thoughts on Christian language, and in \u201cThe Virgin of Bennington\u201d she wrote primarily about poetry.<\/p>\n

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“All thought of writing was shoved to the side.”<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n

And then, nothing more. The books stopped coming. What happened was that Norris had to become a full-time caregiver \u2014 now, to her 91-year-old mother in Hawaii, where Norris grew up. Earlier, it was her father who needed care, and her sister, and especially her husband David, who suffered severe mental and physical illness for many years until his death from cancer in 2003.
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\nMs. NORRIS<\/strong>: The last 10 years, I would say, have been really rough, and in some senses this book is a miracle to me because I was able to finish it at all. There were so many temptations, especially after my husband died, to just give up and say, \u201cWhy write at all? Why bother?\u201d Which is \u2014 the ultimate question with acedia is \u201cWhy bother? Why care? Why do anything?\u201d All thought of writing was sort of shoved to the side for me.<\/p>\n

ABERNETHY<\/strong>: Norris thinks acedia is different from depression.<\/p>\n

Ms. NORRIS<\/strong>: If I\u2019m depressed I tend to know the reasons why. With acedia there is no cause. It just sort of pops up, and I might wake up in the morning thinking, \u201cOh, this is going to be a good day,\u201d and then all of a sudden the thought, \u201cNo, it won\u2019t be,\u201d and maybe I shouldn\u2019t get out of bed.<\/p>\n

ABERNETHY<\/strong>: Slowly, eventually, Norris managed to get back to her book. On the day it was finally published, she was at the Washington National Cathedral recalling how hard the process had been.<\/p>\n

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Ms. NORRIS <\/strong>(speaking at Washington National Cathedral): Coming back to the project always felt like climbing a mountain in a raging hailstorm. On more days than I care to recall, I would settle for reading thrillers or even watching \u201cAmerica\u2019s Next Top Model\u201d marathons.<\/em><\/p>\n

ABERNETHY<\/strong>: Norris had learned from the Benedictines that one way to combat the indifference of acedia was praying the psalms. Other remedies were physical work, exercise, and baking bread. Perhaps most important for her was accepting her family responsibilities.<\/p>\n

Ms. NORRIS<\/strong>: One of the reasons I decided that I\u2019d better not have children is because I really didn\u2019t want to be a caregiver. So it is something that has been imposed on me, and I have really had to learn how to cope with that, how to be patient and loving instead of irritable and impatient and, believe me, it is a struggle, and I don\u2019t always make it. To think, if I\u2019m with this person, helping them do this ordinary task, like going to the bathroom, that\u2019s the most important thing I can be doing with my life at the moment \u2014 to convince myself of that every day.<\/p>\n

ABERNETHY<\/strong>: One thing that made Norris want to get the book finished and published was her sense that acedia might be a problem for the whole country.<\/p>\n

Ms. NORRIS<\/strong>: I realized that acedia was not just a personal problem, but really it\u2019s one that we suffer as a society. I think we often adopt that attitude of indifference because we\u2019re being asked to care about so much. We just are exhausted.<\/p>\n

ABERNETHY<\/strong>: Ever since she was a schoolgirl, Norris found refuge at Hawaii\u2019s main public library, from which she borrows and returns books by the bagful. Meanwhile, she says she\u2019s also learned a lot from taking care of others.<\/p>\n

Ms. NORRIS<\/strong>: A friend asked me after my husband died, \u201cWell, have you lost your faith?\u201d And my gut reaction, my instant response was to say \u201cOf course not.\u201d I mean, people die. This is what happens. That\u2019s not God out to get me. That\u2019s just a fact of life is that people die. So it really \u2014 it didn\u2019t shake my faith, really. It made me feel just more like everyone else in the universe. You know, people you love are going to suffer and die, and you somehow have to learn how to cope with that.<\/p>\n

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The opposite of acedia is love.<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n

ABERNETHY<\/strong>: Norris says the opposite of acedia, and its most powerful antidote, is love.<\/p>\n

Ms. NORRIS<\/strong>: I think part of the struggle just of everyday life is remembering that the love is there. It\u2019s just, it\u2019s a constant. And to wake up in the morning and realize that love is there in the world, it\u2019s there in your relationships \u2014 if I can do that, that\u2019s half the battle.<\/p>\n

ABERNETHY<\/strong>: In Honolulu, Norris continues to take care of her mother. She says acedia remains a part of her, something she just has to live with. She would like to write more poems, she says, or in a perfect world she would follow a book on acedia with a comic novel. But she knows very well that the world is not perfect.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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