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TIM O\u2019BRIEN<\/strong>, anchor: The issue of gay marriage is on the agenda as the US Episcopal Church holds its once-every-three-years General Convention in Anaheim, California.\u00a0 For years, Episcopalians have been deeply divided over homosexuality.\u00a0 One proposal being debated at this meeting would allow Episcopal churches to conduct same-sex weddings in the six states that have legalized gay marriage.\u00a0 Currently, most mainline denominations do not officially allow same-sex weddings.\u00a0 But the changing legal environment is adding new pressure.\u00a0 Kim Lawton has our report.<\/p>\n

\"\"KIM LAWTON<\/strong>: Boston\u2019s historic Church of the Covenant has been an important place for Anne Crane and Sarah Perreault. The lesbian couple had their first date there in the late 1970s, and by the time Massachusetts legalized same-sex marriage the two had been active members for more than 25 years, so a church wedding seemed the obvious choice.<\/p>\n

SARAH PERREAULT<\/strong>: In particular we wanted to be married at our home church with our community and our family and friends.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: But it was complicated. Church of the Covenant is dually aligned with two mainline denominations: the United Church of Christ and the Presbyterian Church (USA).\u00a0 And while the UCC has no problem marrying same-sex couples, it\u2019s against national Presbyterian policy.<\/p>\n

ANNE CRANE<\/strong>: Well, it\u2019s painful to know that the church that I\u2019ve been a part of all my life does not recognize our relationship and our marriage as being a legitimate marriage.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>:\u00a0 Church of the Covenant worked it out so that a retired UCC minister conducted the ceremony, and the Presbyterian side of the church officially stayed out of it.\u00a0 Crane and Perreault say their wedding was beautiful and meaningful, but not quite everything they would have planned.<\/p>\n

PERREAULT<\/strong>:\u00a0 I felt badly because there were people that we would have liked to include in our ceremony who could not participate because they were ordained Presbyterian clergy. There was a real loss there.<\/p>\n

Man at Protest:\u00a0 \u201cWe are a couple\u2026\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>:\u00a0 For decades, mainline denominations have been wrestling over issues surrounding homosexuality: whether to ordain gay clergy and whether to recognize–and bless same-sex unions. Now that six states have legalized gay marriage, those battles are taking on a new urgency. Some church members are pushing the denominations to reassess their policies, while others are fighting to hold the line.<\/p>\n

Mark Tooley is president of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, an advocacy group that supports conservative positions within mainline denominations.<\/p>\n

\"\"MARK TOOLEY<\/strong>:\u00a0 The church shouldn\u2019t just go along with what the wider society demands of it. But the church is ideally supposed to be faithful to timeless teachings that have been presented to the church through its Scripture and through its traditions.<\/p>\n

Minister:\u00a0 \u201cTo have and to hold\u2026\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: Currently, while the Unitarians and the UCC conduct gay marriages, mainline Protestant denominations as a rule don\u2019t officially allow it. Clergy who participate in same-sex weddings could face church trials and even risk being defrocked.<\/p>\n

Minister:\u00a0 \u201cI hereby pronounce you husband and husband\u2026\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n

TOOLEY<\/strong>:\u00a0 Traditionalists within those churches will strive to help to ensure there is as much fidelity as possible, by the clergy to the official teachings.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: In the United Methodist Church, 83-year-old Richard Harding has a long history of activism for gay rights. He helped found Reconciling Retired Clergy, a network of retired pastors willing to perform gay marriages.<\/p>\n

REV. RICHARD HARDING<\/strong>: There\u2019s not a whole lot that they can do to we retired clergy, and there\u2019s a whole lot that they can do to active clergy that they can\u2019t do to us. And that\u2019s why we\u2019re stepping in.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: Harding says he believes what he\u2019s doing is the right thing, so he\u2019s willing to risk any repercussions.<\/p>\n

HARDING<\/strong>: We could be defrocked. I would be now sitting here as Mr. Harding instead of Reverend Harding. And in Massachusetts, a lay person can go for a day to the state house and get permission to officiate at a marriage. So I\u2019d still be able to do it, only I just wouldn\u2019t be a pastor anymore.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: At Church of the Covenant, interim minister Jennifer Wegter-McNelly is an ordained Presbyterian pastor. She says her congregation has been put in a difficult position of trying to maintain support for gay members while still respecting the national denomination.<\/p>\n

\"\"REV. JENNIFER WEGTER-MCNELLY<\/strong>: We have a long history and we\u2019re very active, and so I think there is a lot of really thoughtful hard conversation about how do we be prophetic and remain faithful and connected to the churches that are our larger community?<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: So far, they\u2019ve been able to do that by keeping same-sex weddings solely under the jurisdiction of the UCC part of their church. Other congregations don\u2019t have that option. Episcopal clergy also can\u2019t conduct gay marriages. In an effort to be even-handed, many Massachusetts Episcopal churches aren\u2019t doing any weddings, gay or straight. Instead, Reverend Pam Werntz at Boston\u2019s Emmanuel Episcopal Church says they provide a blessing for couples who are married by the state.<\/p>\n

REV. PAM WERNTZ<\/strong>:\u00a0 That could happen separately, it could happen at the courthouse and then a couple comes here for the ceremony, or it can happen in the same ceremony where a Justice of the Peace presides over the first part of the service and the priest presides over the blessing and often a Eucharist celebration.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: The compromise may have helped circumvent some of the denominational difficulties, but Werntz says it was still painful for many members.<\/p>\n

WERNTZ<\/strong>:\u00a0 There were people that left the church in feeling a lot of sorrow and betrayal that the Episcopal Church couldn\u2019t move as fast as I think it needed to move when same-sex marriage was legalized.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: UCC minister Reine Abele, who does perform gay weddings, say churches need to be better at addressing social concerns.<\/p>\n

REV. REINE ABELE<\/strong>: Churches generally are not the leading edge of cultural change in our society. They are often not the engine but the caboose.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: But despite the new activism, mainline clergy continue to be conflicted over the issue, and those who support gay marriages still appear to be in the minority.<\/p>\n

\"\"LAWTON<\/strong>: According to a recent survey by Public Religion Research, mainline clergy are generally more supportive of gay rights than Americans as a whole. But that doesn\u2019t hold true when it comes to same-sex marriage. Only a third of mainline clergy support gay marriage. That number is just about the same for Americans overall.<\/p>\n

TOOLEY<\/strong>: Often people in wider society are very surprised to learn that the mainline churches don\u2019t already accept same sex marriage, because typically these churches, at least for the last 50, 60 years or more have been on the liberal side of social issues. But they have hung back on the marriage issue.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: For many, it\u2019s an issue of basic theology.<\/p>\n

TOOLEY<\/strong>: Typically for Jews and Christians, marriage is a metaphor for faithfulness between God and his people and once you begin to redefine what marriage is you ultimately start to redefine who God is and that obviously and understandably is difficult for Christians and Jews.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: In the Presbyterian Church (USA), Reverend Mary Holder Naegeli is among those urging the denomination to maintain its stand.<\/p>\n

REV. MARY HOLDER NAEGELI<\/strong>: Homosexual practice is not God\u2019s design for humanity. Not being God\u2019s design for humanity, having these clear prohibitions in the Scripture make homosexual practice a sin. Homosexual marriage makes permanent a situation that God wants to redeem.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: But others advocate a different interpretation of the Bible.<\/p>\n

WEGTER-MCNELLY<\/strong>: Our call to be inclusive of all people comes from scripture.\u00a0 It comes from faithfulness to God, it comes from understanding that all people are made in the image of God and it\u2019s essential to support people in their relationships, to bless them and support them and nurture them.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: For Wegter-McNelly, the issue also comes down to her pastoral responsibilities to the people in her pews.<\/p>\n

WEGTER-MCNELLY<\/strong>:\u00a0 Here gay marriage isn\u2019t an abstract issue. It\u2019s not a political issue.\u00a0 It\u2019s very much an issue of the people of the congregation being in community together. To tell people that this community that is the compass for your life is not going to bless and support you in your intimate relationship is kind of an impossibility.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: But supporters of traditional marriage say pastors also have a responsibility to their faith and to the wider church.<\/p>\n

HOLDER NAEGELI<\/strong>: Why would I, a representative of God, help people make permanent with a vow, I take marriage vows very seriously, but with a vow to make permanent then, seal something that God wouldn\u2019t agree with?<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: As they celebrate their fifth wedding anniversary, Anne Crane and Sarah Perreault are glad their church wedding worked out.<\/p>\n

CRANE<\/strong>:\u00a0It\u2019s a liberating feeling, and it\u2019s enabled me and us to just, to live our lives honestly and openly, and many people don\u2019t have that opportunity and have to continue living a lie. And that\u2019s the sad thing.<\/p>\n

Minister:\u00a0Those whom God has joined together, let no one put asunder.\u00a0 Amen.<\/em><\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: But given the conflicts within the mainline churches, the situation is not likely to change any time soon.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m Kim Lawton in Boston.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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