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DEBORAH POTTER<\/strong>, guest anchor: Mainline denominations continue to be sharply divided over issues surrounding homosexuality, and this week (August 17-23) it was the Lutherans\u2019 turn. Leaders of the nation\u2019s largest Lutheran denomination voted to lift their church’s ban against noncelibate gays and lesbians in the clergy. The issues dominated debate at the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America’s biennial assembly held in Minneapolis this week. Kim Lawton has our report.<\/p>\n

\"\"<\/a>PRESIDING BISHOP MARK HANSON<\/strong> (Addressing 2009 Churchwide Assembly): Have no fear, we will pray!
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\nKIM LAWTON<\/strong>, correspondent: They prayed for unity, but disagreements over homosexuality were clear as delegates of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America\u2014the ELCA\u2014gathered in Minneapolis this week (August 17-23).
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\nUNIDENTIFIED DELEGATE<\/strong>: We cannot\u00a0change what is right and what is wrong.
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\nUNIDENTIFIED DELEGATE<\/strong>: How about Jesus saying judge not, that you be not\u00a0judged?
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\nVOICE OF ASSEMBLY MODERATOR (Presiding Bishop Mark Hanson)<\/strong>: If you\u2019re in favor of the amendment, vote one. If you\u2019re opposed, vote two. Please vote now.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: After vigorous debate, clergy and lay delegates approved a measure that allows local congregations to hire homosexual pastors who are in \u201clifelong, monogamous” relationships. Previously, only celibate gays and lesbians could be recognized as ELCA pastors.<\/p>\n

REV. BRADLEY SCHMELING<\/strong> (St. John\u2019s Lutheran Church, Atlanta): Well, it\u2019s certainly painful when people say that your relationship or your call are not valid.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: After acknowledging his relationship with another man, Atlanta pastor Bradley Schmeling faced a church trial in 2007. He\u2019s no longer officially recognized as an ELCA pastor, but his congregation kept him on. Schmeling says he hopes the denomination is entering a new era.<\/p>\n

\"\"<\/a>SCHMELING<\/strong>: Well, my dream for the ELCA would be that we could be a community that really celebrates gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender leaders in the church\u2014not just tolerate our presence, but genuinely celebrate the gifts that people bring to the church.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: Traditionalists argued that the measure violated biblical teachings.<\/p>\n

REV. CORI JOHNSON<\/strong> (Northern Great Lakes Synod delegate): We have a clear witness in Scripture about homosexuality. Every time homosexuality is mentioned in Scripture, it\u2019s mentioned in a negative light. We don\u2019t have any positive references to homosexuality in Scripture.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: Many said the same standards should apply to all pastors.
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\nREV. MARK CHAVEZ<\/strong> (Lutheran Coalition for Reform): And the proposals are just a flat-out rejection of what the Christian church for 2000 years, and most Christian churches today, and most believers today, still hear and believe: Don\u2019t have sex outside of marriage. Period.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: But supporters argued for a different interpretation of Scripture.<\/p>\n

REV. GLADYS MOORE<\/strong> (New England Synod delegate): I think there are some who want to see the Word as a static book that we are to read literally, and others of us\u00a0see it as a living, breathing, dynamic Word that continues to be revealed to us.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: With nearly five million members, the ELCA is one of the largest denominations in the US. Delegates are hoping the debates won\u2019t tear their church apart. They passed a social statement affirming that there is room in the ELCA to accommodate differing views on homosexuality\u2014an issue, the statement said, which is \u201cnot central to our faith.\u201d<\/p>\n

VOICE OF ASSEMBLY MODERATOR (Presiding Bishop Mark Hanson)<\/strong>: The social statement as amended is approved.<\/p>\n

REV. MOORE<\/strong>: I don\u2019t think this is a church-dividing issue. There are some who will say that, but I\u2019m not one who believes that.<\/p>\n

REV. JOHNSON<\/strong>: I think that there will be some deep hurt, and there will be some pain, and how we move forward and deal with that as a denomination will speak volumes as to our fidelity to the word of God and to the strength of our unity.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: Both sides acknowledged more debates about homosexuality are still ahead. I\u2019m Kim Lawton reporting.<\/p>\n

DEBORAH POTTER<\/strong>: The Lutheran delegates also passed an agreement to have \u201cfull communion\u201d with the United Methodist Church. That means the nation\u2019s two largest mainline Protestant denominations will share ministers, missions, and other church resources. The United Methodists approved the agreement at their general conference last year.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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