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KIM LAWTON<\/strong>, correspondent: It\u2019s graduation time at the Helping Up Mission, a nondenominational Christian ministry for poor and homeless men in Baltimore. On this day, several men are being recognized for reaching new stages of success in their recovery from drug and alcohol addiction. Helping Up believes that spirituality plays a key role in the recovery process, and it wants those who work there to reflect its values. The ministry relies largely on private donations, but it has received some public funding as well, and that raises a difficult question: If the mission takes government money, should it still be allowed to only hire people who share its religious beliefs?<\/p>\n

BOB GEHMAN<\/strong> (Executive Director, Helping Up Mission): A faith-based organization is only faith-based if it can hire people of the particular faith that it espouses, so if, for instance, we were not able to discriminate in our hiring practices based on our faith and religion, that would change us.<\/p>\n

BARRY LYNN<\/strong> (Executive Director, Americans United for Separation of Church and State): I don\u2019t think that there\u2019s any moral or ethical or constitutional justification for a religious group taking government funds, tax dollars, and saying we\u2019re only going to hire the people we want, we\u2019re going to have a religious litmus test for hiring. That\u2019s dead wrong, and it should be stopped.<\/p>\n

\"post01-barrylynn\"LAWTON<\/strong>: For decades, religious groups have been partnering with the government to provide a host of social services in the US and around the world. Those partnerships attracted new visibility\u2014and new controversy\u2014after President George W. Bush created his faith-based initiative\u2014<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH<\/strong>: People who don\u2019t have hope can find hope.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: \u2014in his words \u201cto level the playing field\u201d so that more religious groups could compete for government grants.<\/p>\n

A series of laws, regulations and court decisions have tried to ensure that the faith-based partnerships don\u2019t violate the Constitution. For example, tax dollars may not be used to fund proselytizing. But the issue of religious hiring remains one of the most contentious questions. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and its regulations banned discrimination in hiring but granted faith groups an exemption, allowing them to hire on the basis of religion. But Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, says federal funding should change the calculus.<\/p>\n

LYNN<\/strong>: Whenever government money enters the picture, then the civil rights rubric of our country is you don\u2019t get to discriminate anymore. If you\u2019re engaged in federal work with federal money, you really have to play by the same rules as everyone else. You don\u2019t get to be a bigot, you don\u2019t get to discriminate, you don\u2019t get to select people for a job or fire people from a job because of their religious beliefs or orientation.<\/p>\n

\"post02-carlsonthies\"LAWTON<\/strong>: Stanley Carlson-Thies heads the Institutional Religious Freedom Alliance, which helps faith-based groups protect their identity and practices. He says the law allows religious groups to create an organizational philosophy as other federally funded entities do.<\/p>\n

STANLEY CARLSON-THIES<\/strong> (Executive Director, Institutional Religious Freedom Alliance): I think the faith groups see it as, you know, like a Democratic senator hires Democrats for his or her office, and environmental groups hire environmentally sensitive people, and so on, and they say hey, we\u2019re a faith group, it\u2019s faith that motivates us, defines us, so we\u2019re looking for people who are, share that faith.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: Carlson-Thies sees this as an issue that pits an individual\u2019s rights against institutional rights. He says for faith groups it\u2019s not discrimination in the traditional sense.<\/p>\n

CARLSON-THIES<\/strong>: It\u2019s not that they think of this as you grew up on the wrong side of the tracks, we\u2019re going to keep you out. No, it\u2019s more do you share the things that motivate us? Do you have the same set of values? Do you have the same set of behaviors?<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: On the presidential campaign trail in July 2008, candidate Barack Obama visited a Christian youth program in Zanesville, Ohio, and promised that his administration would continue partnerships between faith-based groups and the government. But he said there would be a few caveats.<\/p>\n

\"post03-religioushiring\"PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA<\/strong>: First, if you get a federal grant you don\u2019t use that grant money to proselytize to the people you help, and you can\u2019t discriminate against them, or against the people you hire, on the basis of their religion.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: When President Obama set up his White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, many civil rights groups expected to see all religious hiring preferences banned in federally funded programs. That hasn\u2019t happened. Instead, Joshua DuBois, head of Obama\u2019s faith office, has outlined a different course.<\/p>\n

JOSHUA DUBOIS<\/strong> (White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, in speech): With regard to the issue of co-religionist hiring, hiring discrimination hiring, it\u2019s a difficult topic and one that where there are very clear and strong opinions on both sides. The president has decided to take a case-by-case approach, and as difficult legal issues arise he wants me to work with the White House counsel, with the attorney general, to explore those issues and give him a recommendation.<\/p>\n

LYNN<\/strong>: A case-by-case basis is like saying, well, maybe Rosa Parks may be in the front of the bus; other African-American women, they get into the back of the bus. There is no way to deal with fundamental civil rights issues on a case-by-case basis.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: Both Carlson-Thies and Lynn were on a task force about government partnerships for Obama\u2019s Faith Advisory Council. But the hiring question wasn\u2019t allowed to even be part of the discussion. It\u2019s an issue of deep concern for many faith-based charities, including Helping Up in Baltimore. The residential addiction recovery program has about 400 homeless addicts who live here for at least a year. They go through a 12-step program and receive counseling, medical help, job training, and Bible study. Executive director Bob Gehman says faith is crucial in the program\u2019s effectiveness.<\/p>\n

GEHMAN<\/strong>: Many of our men here have tried other programs, and they\u2019ve come to us because they particularly like the faith-based ingredient that we have here. It offers them the kind of hope that they need in order to get beyond all the failures that they\u2019ve had in the past.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: That was the case for Michael Anthony Gross, who came here after three decades of cocaine and heroin addiction.<\/p>\n

\"post05-religioushiring\"MICHAEL ANTHONY GROSS<\/strong> (Helping Up Mission): When I was in detox, I talked to a gentleman, and he recommended the Helping Up Mission, and he spoke about the spiritual basis that, you know, the program is run on, and I come to know that after all these years that\u2019s what I was missing.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: The mission\u2019s internal surveys have found that two years out, almost 80 percent of the men who complete the program are still drug-free and employed. The program accepts men from all religious backgrounds, and leaders say religion isn\u2019t imposed on anyone. The men may opt out of chapel or Bible study, but if they do they must attend another 12-step-style meeting. Tom Bond is Helping Up\u2019s program director, who in 2002 came here himself as a homeless addict.<\/p>\n

TOM BOND<\/strong> (Helping Up Mission): The whole faith and recovery both are highly unique. What we do is we just try to kind of create a platform and a vehicle for these guys to succeed and make things available to them and let them figure things out for themselves, not force it on them.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: Gehman says the mission has been careful not to use any public money for the explicitly religious parts of the program. But he says hiring people who share the mission\u2019s faith is central to maintaining its identity. If the government makes nondiscrimination a condition, they wouldn\u2019t be able to accept public funding, and he says that would give other groups an unfair advantage.<\/p>\n

\"post06-gehman\"GEHMAN<\/strong>: It really gives secular organizations a real power-edge, because they\u2019re fully funded. They can build their buildings, they can develop their programs, and the faith-based organizations are left to have to raise their own money, which is becoming increasingly difficult.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: Indeed, says Carlson-Thies, if the administration changed the longstanding policy, many charities from across the religious spectrum may be forced to end their partnerships with the government.<\/p>\n

CARLSON-THIES<\/strong>: It\u2019s not that we just say, well fine, if you want to walk away, walk away, because this implicates billions of dollars and a big volume of services.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: One organization that might be affected is World Vision, the largest US-based relief and development group. World Vision has been taking federal funds since 1983 and last year received more than $300 million in cash and goods from the government. The Christian group wants to maintain the right to consider religion in its hiring. World Vision\u2019s chief legal officer told me his organization has never discriminated among its recipients or engaged in illegal hiring practices. But, he said, if the policy changes and World Vision can no longer partner with the government, \u201cthe losers would be children in need around the world and American taxpayers.\u201d<\/p>\n

LYNN<\/strong>: Scientific studies certainly don\u2019t prove that World Vision is the only group that can help the poor around the world, nor does it suggest that the best charities at home are those that have a religious title affixed to their name.<\/p>\n

LAWTON<\/strong>: Under strong pressure from both sides, the Obama administration has been reluctant to clarify its position or make any changes, and White House officials declined to comment for this story as well. But with several court cases moving in the pipelines, the issue isn\u2019t going away.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m Kim Lawton in Washington.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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