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“Hoping against hope even when things are really rough\u2014that\u2019s what carried us during our days of our struggle, knowing that this is a moral universe,\u201d says Archbishop Desmond Tutu. Watch more of correspondent Fred de Sam Lazaro’s interview with him about post-apartheid South Africa.<\/p>\n

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