{"id":993,"date":"2005-05-20T14:33:25","date_gmt":"2005-05-20T18:33:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/wnet\/religionandethics\/?p=993"},"modified":"2013-05-10T15:07:58","modified_gmt":"2013-05-10T19:07:58","slug":"tord-gustavsen-interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/wnet\/religionandethics\/2005\/05\/20\/tord-gustavsen-interview\/993\/","title":{"rendered":"Tord Gustavsen Interview"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Tord Gustavsen and the Church of Jazz<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style=\"font-size:11px;padding-left:60px\">Listen to &#8220;Colours of Mercy&#8221;<\/div>\n<div id=\"videoclip\">\n<div id=\"noflash2\">\n<div id=\"noflash\"><b>Update Required<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Sorry you need the latest version of the free flash plug in. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.adobe.com\/shockwave\/download\/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash\" target=\"_new\">CLICK HERE<\/a> to download it and then refresh this page.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><script type=\"text\/javascript\">\n   var so = new SWFObject(\"\/wnet\/religionandethics\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/9\/files\/audioplayer.swf\", \"flashvideo\", \"320\", \"16\", \"8\", \"#000000\");\n\tso.addVariable(\"soundFile\", \"\/wnet\/religionandethics\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/9\/files\/colours-of-mercy-hi-1-Listen-Now-MP3.mp3\");\n\tso.addVariable(\"width\", \"320\");\n\tso.addVariable(\"height\", \"16\");\n\tso.addVariable(\"bg\", \"0x6f1400\");\n\tso.addVariable(\"lefticon\",\"0x000000\");\n\tso.addVariable(\"leftbg\",\"0xCCCCCC\");\n\tso.addVariable(\"text\",\"0xffffff\");\n\tso.addVariable(\"slider\",\"0F0F0E0\");\n\tso.addParam(\"wmode\", \"transparent\");\n\tso.addParam(\"allowScriptAccess\", \"sameDomain\");\n   so.write(\"videoclip\");\n<\/script><\/p>\n<p>The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tordgustavsen.com\/\" target=\"_new\">Tord Gustavsen Trio<\/a> just completed an American tour to mark the release of a new CD called THE GROUND (ECM). &#8220;Gustavsen draws on his classical and church backgrounds to compose elegant, hymnlike melodies,&#8221; says THE WASHINGTON POST. Read an e-interview with Norwegian pianist <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tordg.no\/index_2.html\" target=\"_new\">Tord Gustavsen<\/a> and listen to a track from the CD.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Almost everyone remarks on the prayerful, hymn-like quality of your music, and you call some of the pieces &#8220;wordless&#8221; hymns. What is the connection between hymns and prayer and jazz for you, and where did it come from?<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 123px;float: left;margin-right: 15px;padding: 0;border-bottom: 1px solid #E1E1E1;background: #eee\">\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/wnet\/religionandethics\/files\/2008\/10\/p_interview_tord.jpg\" border=\"0\" alt=\"Photo of Tord Gustavsen Trio by Erik Laeskogen\" width=\"123\" height=\"155\" \/><\/p>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11px;font-weight:bold;line-height: 1em;color: #4C4C4C;padding: 5px\">Photo: Erik Laeskogen<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>To me, there&#8217;s a strong connection on a personal level. I feel it&#8217;s important to dig into what&#8217;s lying deep in one&#8217;s musical self in order to play &#8220;organic&#8221; jazz, and that may involve getting in touch with music sung, played and\/or listened to during childhood. Growing up, I had a lot of hymns and spirituals along with lullabies and children&#8217;s songs in my home, and so this music is crucial in making up my musical foundation. It&#8217;s best to reach out and explore from a nurturing and caressing foundation.<\/p>\n<p>Also, there is of course a strong link between spirituals and jazz in music history; both European hymns and African American spirituals were among the important musical traditions present in the melting pot area where &#8220;jazz&#8221; was formed. Contemporary jazz that moves too far away from the devotional feel &#8212; with or without an explicitly spiritual emphasis &#8212; has a tendency to lose its appeal to me. I do love a lot of complex, hard core, intriguing music&#8230; but there is something about uplifting and profound grooves and about essential, simplistic sensualism in creative improvisation and melodying &#8230; these things are spiritual to me, and they are core elements of the music I cherish the most.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Across the U.S. &#8212; from the famous St. Peter&#8217;s Lutheran Church in Manhattan to the Church of St. John Coltrane in San Francisco &#8212; there are more and more churches where you can find jazz. What&#8217;s been your own experience of churches and their music (playing with choirs, your connection with Oslo&#8217;s Church City Mission) and where do you see and hear their influence on you? Where do gospel and the African American spiritual fit into what you do?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Jazz and &#8220;world music&#8221; have been present in churches in Norway for a couple of decades &#8212; not necessarily on a regular basis, but in occasional projects and special masses, etc. Also, a few of my colleagues have composed original &#8220;jazz masses&#8221; using Latin words from the old liturgies and Norwegian translations integrated in jazz&#8217;s musical language. Important as this has been, I often feel that one is looking too much for single-dimensional &#8220;happy&#8221; music when looking for jazz in churches. I have been involved in doing a meditative jazz vesper in an Oslo church during the last two years, responding to the need we&#8217;ve felt for a service with room for silence and reflection, using music with more space and incorporating musical landscapes that embrace melancholy and uplifted states without trying to impose a specific mood on people.<\/p>\n<p>Regarding gospels and African American spirituals, cf. also the remarks above. I&#8217;ve played a lot of this music during the years, and spirituals are probably among the core sources of my own music today. I also did a special project a few years ago based on a collection of lesser-known but extremely inspiring spirituals I found at the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture in Harlem. I&#8217;m not, however, too intrigued by the way these traditions are mostly performed today. They are often connected to an easy-going theology of success and salvation that I don&#8217;t really support.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Your bio says you&#8217;ve composed music for the words of poet John Donne and you&#8217;ve even studied the history of religions. What draws you to the religious and the spiritual and to things theological?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The John Donne thing was a very important project to me. It was the first CD I ever recorded, with singer Siri Gj\u00e6re in a vocal-piano duo with no other instruments added, thus very focused on the lyrics. The almost erotic-mystic aspects of his writing appealed to us, as did the extravagant flow of words; we thought they formed an intriguing combination with the naked simplistic-yet-subtly-twisted music we were making.<\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 270px;float: right;margin-left: 15px;padding: 0;border-bottom: 1px solid #E1E1E1;background: #eee\">\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/wnet\/religionandethics\/files\/2008\/10\/p_interview_trio.jpg\" border=\"0\" alt=\"Photo of Tord Gustavsen Trio by Chris Tribble\" width=\"270\" height=\"133\" \/><\/p>\n<div style=\"font-size: 11px;font-weight:bold;line-height: 1em;color: #4C4C4C;padding: 5px\">Photo: Chris Tribble<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>I&#8217;m probably drawn to spiritual and theological issues mainly because I&#8217;ve been fascinated by the questions raised here ever since Sunday school. My outlook and perspectives have evolved from the traditional Lutheran views of my childhood toward an open-minded &#8220;secularized&#8221; spirituality still founded in the Christian sacraments but appreciating insights from several religions; staying in the liturgical serenity but taking in postmodern paradoxes; and being fed by the liberal theological wing of our church &#8212; this is basically my journey. The issues of theology are still important to me even though the perspectives are different.<\/p>\n<p><strong>It&#8217;s been said that jazz is music with deep religious roots and that it&#8217;s the best music for worship because of the way it speaks to the human condition. Does that ring true for you and your own experiences of music?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Well, I guess from what&#8217;s been said so far this should be quite obvious &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>One critic has called your melodies &#8220;an abstracted alleluia.&#8221; When you write about the Colours of Mercy or Kneeling Down or other themes that seem to suggest something spiritual, even sacred, what do you want a listener to hear?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I should read this critic &#8230; it&#8217;s a really nice expression. But I don&#8217;t think I want the listener to experience anything specific &#8212; at least not something that can be equally well expressed in words in an interview. To me, the title &#8220;Kneeling Down&#8221; is almost too direct, but it still works because it really corresponds to the feeling I had of the melody myself. &#8220;Colours of Mercy&#8221; is a favorite title of mine, along with &#8220;The Ground,&#8221; at once mild and comforting and bold, and certainly always open to different readings &#8212; like I want the music to be, and like a religion we could truly relate to today would have to be.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Read an interview with Norwegian jazz musician Tord Gustavsen. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/wnet\/religionandethics\/2005\/05\/20\/tord-gustavsen-interview\/993\/\" class=\"more\">More <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":72,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[727,785,600,989,10663],"class_list":["post-993","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-art","tag-jazz","tag-music","tag-spirituality","tag-tord-gustavsen","topics-literature-and-the-arts"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.1.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Tord Gustavsen Interview | May 20, 2005 | Religion &amp; 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