Mainstream Christian Music


KIM LAWTON, correspondent: This is Christian recording artist TobyMac in concert. He’s bringing the house down and shattering lots of stereotypes along the way

DEBORAH EVANS PRICE (Billboard Magazine): Toby blows away everybody’s perception of what Christian or gospel music is, because Toby makes Jesus look cool.

TOBYMAC: I definitely have my ear to the ground as far as sonically what is happening. I’ve always been a pop artist, you know. I rap, I sing, I scream, whatever gets the point across.

TobyMac concert

LAWTON: Experts say thanks to artists like TobyMac, the contemporary Christian music industry is experiencing a revival, with strong sales, record-breaking tours, and new success in the mainstream charts.

For three consecutive weeks last fall, the Billboard 200 chart included Christian albums that debuted in the Top Ten. One of them was TobyMac’s “Eye on It,” which was the first Christian album since 1997 to debut at number one. And it was only the third Christian album ever to debut on at the top of Billboard’s all-genre chart. That success is continuing in 2013. In mid-January, Christian artist Chris Tomlin’s new album “Burning Lights” opened at number one.

PRICE: It shows the power of the Christian music consumer. For people who tend to want to relegate Christian gospel music to the basement, you know, when an act like Chris, or TobyMac comes in at number one, you have to give that music its due.

LAWTON: Deborah Evans Price has covered Christian music for Billboard magazine for almost 20 years.

Deborah Evans Price

PRICE: They sold nearly 23 million albums last year in the Christian gospel market, and that niche market is bigger than other smaller genres like jazz, classical, Latin. What’s wonderful about this genre of music is that the musicians are just interpreting a timeless message in the music that’s relevant today and that keeps younger listeners coming and and keeps widening the demographic.

LAWTON: Take, for example, Christian rapper Lecrae, whose newest album “Gravity” debuted last September at number three on the Billboard charts. In his music and his publicity, Lecrae is outspoken about his Christian faith.

LECRAE: I’d be, you know, crazy to not talk about the thing that’s most passionate to me, and that is my faith. You know, how can I leave that out? It’s all that I am. It defines me.

LAWTON: That wasn’t always the case. Lecrae says he grew up with few positive male influences and looked to hip-hop for guidance. He wanted nothing to do with his grandmother’s Christian faith.

Christian hip-hop artist Lecrae

LECRAE: I really mocked it. I thought it was silly. It was for old people. I remember one time ripping out Bible papers and using them to roll drugs up with. So it was…it really didn’t matter to me.

LAWTON: His life became a downward spiral of drugs and partying, but he says before he reached 20, he realized the emptiness of it all. Someone invited him to attend a Christian meeting and study the Bible, and he says, to his shock, the classic Christian teaching about salvation really struck a chord.

LECRAE: The simple truth that if there was a God he did love me enough to sacrifice himself for me, like no human being would ever come up with the story that says God reached down to bring me up. And that really, it rocked me in a way I’d never been rocked.

LAWTON: Now he raps not only about his religious beliefs, but about being a faithful husband and a responsible father, not typical themes in hip-hop.

LECRAE: When you turn on the radio and you hear all these perspectives and philosophies, misogyny and you know, hedonism, most Christians say, ‘I got to find the Christian station to get away from this.’ How beautiful would it be if Christians were to invade the airwaves of mainstream culture and give an alternate view to some of those things.


LAWTON: Lecrae has found an audience in both the Christian and secular markets, something that appears to be happening more and more.

PRICE: The walls have come down considerably over the past few years when it comes to the divide between the Christian audience, the Christian market and mainstream consumers. But when you have artists like Toby and Lacrae, and all these phenomenally relevant, musically edgy acts, that draws a wide audience, not just from the people in the church pews, but from the people hanging out at the mall.

LAWTON: It used to be that when Christian artists “crossed-over” into the mainstream, they watered down the religious content of their music. But the rock band Skillet has achieved huge mainstream success despite its explicitly Christian identity. The group was one of only three rock bands overall to go platinum in 2012.

PRICE: There’s been no muddling their identity; they’ve always been, you know, very outspoken about being a Christian band that makes great rock music.


LAWTON: TobyMac says he’s pleased to see some of the barriers coming down.

TOBYMAC: Jesus didn’t hang out in the church. He hung out with the people where they were, and that’s, to me, where Christian music should be.

LAWTON: He first entered the music scene in the late 1980s as part of the ground-breaking Christian hip-hop group DC Talk. More than 20 years later, he says he’s moved away from direct preaching in his music and now tries to write more from his own life experiences.

TOBYMAC: I do think that I have something really good. So when you have something really good you can’t help but want to share it with people. I’m not trying to cram it down their throat, I’m not trying to proselytize. I’m just a guy that loves God with all my heart…when I’m at my best.

LAWTON: And he says he’s become more open about his weaknesses. One of his most popular songs, “Get Back Up,” is about how he responded to a friend getting a divorce.

TOBYMAC: I wrote that song because I probably wasn’t there for him the way I should have been.

LAWTON: He says for him, it’s not about cranking out hits and making money, but rather watching how God uses the music to touch people’s lives. For example, he’s heard from several people who say his recent song “Forgiveness” prompted them to reconcile with an estranged loved one.

TOBYMAC: When things like that are happening, I mean, you know, I think that’s way beyond me. I mean, that’s why I have faith in God, because I know I can’t conjure up a lyric that would do that. But if God breathes something through me when I ask Him to, maybe something good could happen.

LAWTON: Both TobyMac and Lecrae have been criticized by some in the Christian world for pushing the envelope too far. Lecrae in particular came under fire for collaborating with secular rappers who often use offensive lyrics in other venues.

LECRAE: Sometimes I’m too churchy for the world, I’m too worldly for the church, and so I exist in this weird, you know, dichotomy, this weird place, but there’s a lot of people like me, and there’s a lot of people who resonate with that.

LAWTON: He too sees a deeper purpose in what he does.

LECRAE: My hope is that it will be more than music, that it will be a soundtrack of a movement that mobilizes people to see themselves for who they are, for what God created them to be, and to change the world.

LAWTON: And that’s not something you hear every day in the music business.

I’m Kim Lawton reporting.

  • @Djpdogg #Inthemix

    Loved it. 3 of my fav groups on PBS. One thing though. I don’t think DC Talk was a Christian rap group. I guess its debatable lol

  • Shawn Greene, aka, FUDGE is AMPED and ready to serve the world with quality Christian Rhythmic and Urban Gospel music to the masses. We are ALL PUMPED UP for the new revival of the Christian Music Scene world-wide.

  • JDE

    “How beautiful would it be if Christians were to invade the airwaves of mainstream culture and give an alternate view to some of those things.”

    Right, because conservative evangelical Christianity hasn’t pervaded nearly every aspect of American culture already.

  • MFS

    DC Talk were definitely Christian. Look on YouTube for their signature song, “Jesus Freak.”

  • Sophie

    Three awesome men of faith sharing their love and passion through the music they make…doesn’t get much better. Way to be salt and light, guys. So pumped to see this happening more and more!

  • Joanne Clare

    @Inthemix??? DC Talk not a Christian band? DC stood for Decent Christian Talk.. and the song Jesus Freak? What if I stumble? Umm have you heard their music?

  • Aimee

    I’m a big fan of Tobymac and Skillet seen them both in concert and have several albums of theirs. But I don’t think that many people judge Tobymac for his music being played in mainstream as much as I have heard Skillet being judged and condemned not just for their music being in the mainstream but also for who they choose to tour with and also the fact not all of their lyrics have “Jesus” in them. But when you see them at a show they always talk about God so I have trouble w those who would say they are no longer a Christian band just bc they want to reach people in a different way. Artists like these and that includes the band Red too are rising above the normal Christian music scene they are not your everyday bands like Casting Crowns or Mercy Me no pun intended. They are reaching the world in ways that those kinds of bands may not be able too and that’s why I look up to these bands that are able to go outside of the ccm market to share the gospel. So often I think the ccm kinda of puts them in a box but it’s good that more and more the ccm is starting to branch out and realize that it can’t just stay in the walls of the church. This is only my opinion of course.

  • Whitley Austin

    Good article. Informative and enlightening. Thank you

  • Marja

    DC Talk was very clearly Christian.

    Some words: Hey I’m a christian, you know that’s true, but sometimes things are looking blue, cause I loose sight and I fall back, I start chillin’ to the wrong kind of rap, suddenly I loose sight of where I am, I call upon the Lord to give me a hand, my nature is sin, my flesh corrupt.


    Ya know He’s doin’ it, God is doin’ a new thang. Ya know He’s doin’ it, God is doin a new thang.


    When I talk, I talk about the Lord…………..
    D is for decent and I mean what I say………, but obscene, I don’t play that way………
    C is for Christ to the I A N…….

    The scary thing is how much I remember from 25ish years ago! Oh, I feel old now.

  • Jerry Handlon

    “TOBYMAC: Jesus didn’t hang out in the church.”

    Wrong. Jesus was often in the temple. He was also found in the homes of the Pharisees, as well as tax collectors and sinners. Jesus can’t be locked into a behavior or pattern other than “doing his Father’s will…perfectly”.

  • Wilbrand Rakhorst

    Much thanks for the inspiring article. We christians Here in Holland are glad that Toby Mac is lifted up by His Melodymaker. The interaction between gospel and seculier is intensifying.
    Here in Holland there is also a remarkable breakthrough for the gospelduo Elly & Rikkert. They were invited by a secular broadcaster(Max) for a concert in a very influential theater named Carre in Amsterdam. He loved them because of a secular song “de zwerver(roamer)” in the sixties/seventies. He pays for the concert an the filming if they play this one song. The rest they were allowed to fill in for themselves. So it will be a mixture of gospel and secular. The website is made into a tutorial by a party in the dutch protestants churches I myself collect all those secular bible songs on in short time it will also be
    I always knew that eventually GODISTHEDJ !!!
    greetings from Holland

  • Wilbrand Rakhorst

    Toby Mac has been on the E.O. Youth Day and I was there with my son. For me it was a great message that a renown gospelartist hit the billboard so hard. In Holland there has happened something similar. Elly & Rikkert who were famous secular in the sixties and seventies and who are now gospelartists were invited by a secular broadcast to give a concert in Carre Amsterdam.
    On I collect gospelacts who hit the secular charts and influential secular acts who use the bible in thier expression. The website is going to be used in churches for lessons to be used in youth contacts. missions etc. etc. The truth is out….. GODISTHEBESTDJ

    greetings from Holland

    Wilbrand Rakhorst

  • Mark Stephens

    To Jerry:

    I agree it is a mistake to type-cast Jesus as “always hanging out with church member types” or as “always hanging out with non-church member types”.

    Technically Toby would have been more accurate to have actually said “Jesus didn’t hang out…” ONLY “in the church. He…” ALSO “hung out with the people where they were, and that’s, to me, where Christian music should be.

    But his whole point about Jesus spending time outside the church sounded to me like he was saying that Christian music should do the same thing. It should exist (not ONLY in church services) but ALSO where regular non-churchy folks live their lives too – so they can hear about JESUS in the music they listen to.

    So from Toby’s point of view, Jesus should be in both places and Christian music ‘should be’ in both places.

    And I think a lot of evangelicals agree with him on that.

  • marconi314

    Question: What do these album covers by Tobymac and Skillet have in common?
    If you said either, “The Occult” or “The Illuminati” – - – YOU WIN!