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FEATURE:
Conversion - Part 1
November 10, 2000    Episode no. 411
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LUCKY SEVERSON
: The famous religious conversion stories are full of high drama: Saul's vision on the road to Damascus or Constantine's [vision of a] fiery cross in the sky. Modern-day religious conversions can seem tame by comparison, but tolerant attitudes toward faith-seeking have made them more common. Still, choosing a new religion is usually a major decision -- for converts and their families. In the first of a two-part series, our reporter, Stephen Dubner, himself a convert and author of the book TURBULENT SOULS, looks at the experience of John Curry, principal of a school for at-risk students in New York.

CurryJOHN CURRY: I grew up in St. Louis, in the Bible Belt. My parents talked about religion constantly, they were in a Methodist Church ... they considered themselves born again and were very strict theologically.

RUTHIE PADOWER: I experienced Judaism in two opposite ways. At home, it was this very pleasant, defining part of who we were and then we lived in a town that was not heterogeneous at all. It was purely Christian, and so, I grew up very uncomfortable with my Judaism in that setting.

STEPHEN DUBNER: You met in college. Was the fact that you came from different religions an issue?

MS. PADOWER: Once we started thinking about living together and maybe marrying and having children, it was an issue because I wanted to raise my children Jewish, and I didn't want to raise my children in a house where Christmas was celebrated.

CURRY: Ruthie, at one point, said, well you can have a Christmas tree if you need it to be in the house ... but it will be your Christmas tree and the children and I will just consider that daddy's, and I thought, I'm gonna be sitting in the corner with my little Christmas tree. It was just ridiculous, and then I thought, well I'm gonna be like a stranger in my own family, and I couldn't really see how to resolve it at the time.

DUBNER: Did you think at all back then about converting?

CURRY: I think I did in vague ways, but I couldn't really imagine it. Not that it was something I would hate to do, but I guess I felt that [by] even saying it, I was gonna feel like a wannabe for someone else's culture.

LEWIS RAMBO (Author, UNDERSTANDING RELIGIOUS CONVERSIONS): The experience of conversion, I think, at its deepest level, is a profound and pervasive reorientation of one's entire life. Starting in many cases with self image -- Who am I as a human being? -- to, Who is God? What is the nature of reality?

RABBI MAGGIE WENIG: I think it's as significant a decision as choosing a partner to spend many years of your life with or deciding to have a child.

DUBNER: We are probably in a country and at a time when conversion is at an all time high. Conversion is rampant. Is that good?

RABBI WENNIG: I would have to say yes. But I believe that human beings long for meaning, a relationship with God, community, and are feeling an emptiness.

DUBNER: Tell me about this Christmas season visit to your sister's house in Seattle.

CURRY: At this particular Christmas service, they took a baby out of the congregation and put it in the manger for a Christian ceremony.

PadowerMS. PADOWER: And that night, I had a dream that I had a child and that they took my baby out of my arms and used him or her for their Jesus, and we couldn't get him back.

CURRY: I'd always had this idea that somehow I wanted Christmas in my family's life because, somehow, that would bring happiness to my children. And I had this horrible experience: my mother, sister, and father not getting along; me feeling watched by my parents to see if I would go up to the altar and profess my faith in Christ; conflicts around our children. ... I felt like there was this whole ball of tension and things I didn't know how to resolve. I was lying in bed, and I thought, you know, if I converted to Judaism this would just go away. And I said to Ruthie, "Maybe I should convert," and she said "Why would you want to do that?" My fear was that she would say, "That's wonderful," and I would feel this responsibility to follow through, and instead, she just put the breaks on.

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DUBNER: Did you think if you did convert how your family would react?

CURRY: That was another thing. It would be like a bombshell, ... no longer being Christian was ... one, and this would be even bigger.

DUBNER: A midnight epiphany, on Christmas Eve. That's what led John Curry and Ruthie Padower from one minefield -- intermarriage -- to another -- conversion. It used to be a rarity, but these days it's a staple of American life. But that doesn't mean it's simple. A religious conversion winds its way into every corner of one family's life.

CURRY: So, I was looking for something, and the idea of converting to Judaism, I think, subconsciously -- maybe partially consciously -- provided an option of rediscovering ... let's say spiritual text, the Bible ... and as I continued with my study, I found more and more things that I could claim in [a] way that were very compelling to me. And I think it started vague, and it became more and more specific and more and more exciting for me and ... helped me grow in my knowledge of Judaism.

WennigRABBI WENNIG: In the past, a lot of people would talk about conversion as being sudden and dramatic. I think the influence of the conversion of Saul of Tarsus to ... Paul the Apostle is paradigmatic, whether people ... know much of the Bible, whether they're Christians or Jews or whatever.

Everybody knows about Paul. But I think that most of the research now shows that conversion, while having dramatic events within it, is a process over time.

DUBNER: John immersed himself in Jewish learning. And it was John who became the architect of the family's Jewish practice.

CURRY: I think, initially, when I was considering converting, what I wanted to give my kids was a history and a tradition that they could claim as their own. I couldn't imagine having them with no spiritual tradition at all in their lives, and I wanted to be part of that.

MS. PADOWER: I think of him as a profoundly Jewish Jew. Yeah. I don't at all think of him as a convert. It feels very -- I guess the term convert, to me, sort of seems like it's dipped in something, and he's ... from the core out, you know?

DUBNER: For now, John and Ruthie are finding a balance to their religious observance. What will be the ultimate effect of John's conversion? That won't be known for at least a few years, until the next generation has its say.

CURRY: My daughter has known that I'm a convert, she met my father who passed away, and my mother, and knows how Christian they are. She has a sense that things can be mutable and changeable and understands that I'm Jewish now and doesn't really question that. I wonder if that also gives her a sense that she's changeable. I guess one of my worst fears is that she'll convert at some point. She expressed an interest in Christianity, although I think she has a Jewish identity pretty clearly.

MS. PADOWER: One of our children in particular loves going to services and follows along in the prayer book, even though he can't read Hebrew. He's a very ethical and compassionate six year old, and he'd be a fabulous rabbi.

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