01.10.2019

Ali Soufan & Lawrence Wright on Policy in the Middle East

100 days after the brutal murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi by Saudi Arabia, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo defends America’s leadership in the Middle East during a visit to Cairo. Al Qaeda expert and Khashoggi’s friend Lawrence Wright and former FBI agent Ali Soufan discuss how President Trump’s foreign policy decisions are affecting the region in the wake of Khashoggi’s death.

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What did you make of the focus of Secretary Pompeo's speech in Cairo today.

Larry you were a friend of Jamal's, you first.

Well, what I was thinking when I was reading through Pompeo's speeches how much faith Jamal had in American policy, much more than I do and sometimes sometimes.

He believed that America needed to have a strong presence in the Middle East and yet our presence has been so wavering.

I don't think we've ever had a more volatile and uncertain policy in the region than we do right now.

And I don't think that the secretary's speech has changed any of that.

And Ali I mean you have been right at the heart of the sort of geopolitics of all of this inside the FBI and outside doing your security work.

What do you make of Secretary Pompeo I mean kind of departing with traditional American speech in foreign lands.

Never once mentioning human rights never once mentioning political pluralism and tolerance only mentioning democracy once and that in relation to quote Iraq's thriving democracy.

It's a sad day and frankly you know I agree actually was one thing the secretary said today that one America retreat chaos fellows follows.

Now that's very true.

And we are basically witnessing when America tweets also chaos follows. And that's that's that's unfortunate.

What we see today in the Middle East with the president's read about Syria that resulted with Secretary Mattis leaving I think there's a lot of confusion in the region.

This is why Secretary Secretary paio went to the Middle East to tell our allies and friends and partners who are very anxious about our Syria policy that the president of the United States basically does not speak for the United States but he speaks for the president of the United States.

Amid this confusion for our strategy and our policy in the Middle East we see five of the countries for example the secretary Pompeo is visiting do not have ambassadors.

Two years later over the Trump administration.

And still we don't have any ambassadors in these important countries.

You know we have 40 vacant ambassadorships still around the world. The number two most senior position in the State Department that oversees the Middle East and the east do not are still vacant and we don't have assistant secretaries for these positions.

So I think you know with older respect do Secretary Pompeo before we start pointing the finger at President Obama we need to look at our own policy in the Middle East a policy that's still supporting the atrocity in Yemen.

The U.N. and the U.N. secretary general declared Yemen to be the worst humanitarian disaster in the world today.

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