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War and its Aftermath

This week, the JOURNAL presented a shortened version of a new documentary film, THE GOOD SOLDIER, which explores how the experience of combat irrevocably changed the lives of four veterans of America’s various war efforts.

One of those featured, Jimmy Massey, who served in Iraq earlier this decade, described what it was like for him to return to the United States:

“You first come home and you immediately forget about everything. You go to McDonald’s and you go to all your favorite restaurants and you do all your favorite things and you’re having a great time, and you know… And then all of sudden you wake up one day and you’re like-- wait a minute. I’m not having a good time any more. I’m starting to think about this, and I’m starting to think about that, because all the newness has worn off. You’re home. I’m alive. I got my arms, I got my legs, I’m alive. But then the mind, the mind starts catching up with everything else. I found myself going through my gear, prepping like I’m getting ready to go to combat. I mean I even look for suicide bombers, you know, anything out of the ordinary. Once you’ve reached that level of your senses being that heightened, it’s hard to turn it off. It’s like being a caged tiger.”

What do you think? Have you or a loved one ever been in combat? What were your or their experiences of war?


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How can Obama be responsible for the recent attempted terrorist attack when that dimwit Bush was not responsible for ALLOWING 11 terrorists on planes?

For a real though rather alarming account concerning national security and our fight against terrorism, read Against All Enemies:Inside America's War On Terror by Richard A. Clarke.

Amazing how GOP's NOW are interested in details on what Obama will do with 2 wars, one of which Bush lied in order to start. GOP's didn't care about details or the TRUTH when it came to WAR when idiot Bush was in charge. No exit strategy, no problem. No weapons of mass destruction, no problem.


For Bush to start a war in Iraq off lies and not be held accountable, furthermore then getting RE-elected after all his lies, corruption, and ever embarrassingly stupid speeches, is truly beyond comprehension and a warped sense of Patriotism. A true insult to the service of veterans especially the vets who never returned home. Bushwackers don't care about right or wrong, good or bad, all they care about is their political party winning.

Bush pulled the majority of our troops out of Afghanistan and he stopped sending troops to Afghanistan to start his corrupt war in Iraq which he LIED about, hence, CORRUPT war. And now that vile idiot Cheney and some GOP's think Obama is endangering our troops! Un_believable! How dumb can a man be? I'd rather see our troops alive and out of Iraq than any stupid 'win' title. In a civilized world, it should not be acceptable to start a war off lies!

I am sure ALL GOP's, who supported Bush's corrupt war in Iraq, made their children join the military. Otherwise, I can't imagine how disappointed Bushwackers must be in their children who decided to go to college and not join the military.

If we are short of troops, thanks to Bush, a draft needs to get started. First ones drafted should be those who support Bush's corrupt war in Iraq which he started off lies. Second ones to be drafted are all family members of those who support Iraq. And those fore mentioned to be drafted need to head to the front lines, anything less would be inappropriate.

Once again, in a world dominated by liars, dissemblers, and complicit cowards, Mr. Moyers steps forward to tell it courageously "like it REALLY is."

May You live to be 100 years, if the vermin don't destroy the Earth before that, for it is only the dedication of You and precious few others, who can save us from this genocidal government.

You should know - All “facts” (not opinions) point to us winning the Vietnam War.
We did not lose the Vietnam War. We lost 58,000 troops. North Vietnam lost 1.2 million. We kicked their butts.

The more you tell a lie the more it becomes the truth. We have been beating ourselves up with guilt for over 30 years based upon deception, lies and myths.

The North Vietnamese signed the peace treaty January 27, 1973. The last American troops left South Vietnam March 29, 1973. Two years later North Vietnam violated the peace treaty, invaded and defeated South Vietnam in 1975. This had nothing to do with us. The USA was long gone by then.

Our mistake was that we left South Vietnam after we overwhelmingly defeated North Vietnam. We stayed in Germany, Japan and South Korea and the world has benefited for decades. We left South Vietnam and look what happened.

When any soldier from any war describes their experience, they are telling you their own little view of the war that happens directly to them. They do not see the big picture. All combat veterans will tell stories of horror, mistakes and Snafu’s from any nation’s army. This includes my grandfather-WW I, father-WW II and my uncle-Vietnam.

The Democratic and Republican administrations along with Congress during those years prevented the US military to fight the war as it should have. We could have won the war in 2-3 years. They were afraid if we were too aggressive that China would send troops against us, like in Korea.

The North Vietnamese army (NVA) was equally trained as well as the US army. They also were just as well equipped- supplied from China and Russia. They actually had better field artillery equipment (Russian). We had the advantage in air power.

Records reveal the so-called “Viet Cong” actually were 80% NVA, not the poor farmer that was depicted in the news media.

It was later shown that North Vietnam’s army had a tremendous desertion problem and young men doing all possible not to be drafted. The North Vietnamese had a saying, “Born in the North to die in the South”. There was increasingly great unrest among the civilians regarding the war.

But as in most dictatorships, they had no freedom of speech or press.

North Vietnam knew they could not defeat the US. They developed one of the world’s largest propaganda organizations (Dich Van) to defeat us psychologically. They successfully divided us by pitting the US population against our own politicians and the soldiers fighting the war. The news media fell for all their lies (disinformation). It was so bad that the media would automatically believe the enemy’s statements and not our own-without even researching facts or sources. Our soldiers were treated horribly and with great disrespect from the news media and some American citizens.

Our men in uniform were severely restrained, militarily and politically. But they still accomplished all military objectives and forced North Vietnam to sign the peace agreement and admit defeat.

In general; as a nation, as a people, and as veterans we have nothing to be ashamed of regarding our participation of the Vietnam War.

Read "Unheralded Victory" by Mark W. Woodruff to learn what really happened in Vietnam. This eye opening book was written in 1999. The book's data and sources come from American and Vietnamese well after the conflict to erase emotions and patriotism.

My guess is that once you read this book, those that served will be filled with more pride and those that did not serve will be in awe of those that did.

Bill....
my primary comment is the same thing I have said before...there is information but no hint of a way forward. These shows and the commentary here seem to be idle pursuits. The sad thing is that I believe there is a real opportunity here for us to collectively work towards something worthwhile. Let us try to frame our own rules of engagement (in the context of this particular show). How can we criticize any government if we haven't done our due diligence to understand our own position. If we undertook that sort of task, then it would help inform the choice of guests for future shows. That is, you could bring on people with particular knowledge of certain issues we need to deeply understand in forming our overall position. If this show is an idle pastime then just say so and we can all relax and put our feet up.

wip: I like them muscle car ads, don't you? Advertising fragments tastes and blunts resistance. I've been scouring the toy shelves for anything that would be good for a kid and can't find nothing! (No Toys for Tots) The economy IS recovering for those about to take another dip of Bailout. If the real unemployment rate IS 20%+ and President Obedient still can see no use for Makework Jobs you might surmise where this train is headed. Democrats and Republicans reaching across the aisle and working together will resurrect debtor's prison as sure as you're born. The fascist rails are laid straight as an arrow and you don't need Google Map to see where they lead. Christmas is coming and 52% of public school children in Charlotte Mecklenburg (Our BOOMING banking center) are eligible for a free lunch/and greasy breakfast. Some schools where I live (gaston) have 99% eligible. And what do they get?: Skimpy fast food knockoffs fit for the feedlot!

I worked taking tickets as a welfare job (I'm missing a leg.) this week and watched the new Disney (Imagemovers) version of Scrooge. It was a lazy, sick digital horror of cliches and Jim Carrey mugging. It will make your kids fear and despise the poor and the elderly. So the media is just as sickening as our food.

You'd think instinct would set in and draw our fingers down our throats to regurgitate the crap. Christmas is an orgy of forced feeding. Maybe Obama will build vomitoriums, with credit card admission. I predict slimy parking lots come Spring. Tiny Tim's sentiments make less sense than those dramatized by Rev. Wright, "God Damn America!" For the oligarchs fancy themselves gods, and this is just what they do. That's how they do. (Remember that even the 7 Dwarfs were miners.)

"Our brave soldiers who have done the politicians bidding unfortunately will soon be forgotten and suffering due to brain injuries, loss of limbs and mental problems due to the horrors of war will pay the cost for the rest of there lives."

Posted by: Ronald Becker

Reach deep for self-control, Mr. Becker, you're going to need it once you wake up to the FACT that keeps getting censored...factor in the mercenaries, like Xe, making a $$$ "killing" off the "war" and then the CONTEXT into which the UNPAID "soldiers" are forced into SHOULD be enough to "end" the "war".

It is a sad day when our politicians adopted the foreign policy of Imperial Japan. We have become the terrorists against a backward illiterate country in the name of Nation Building. Our brave soldiers who have done the politicians bidding unfortunately will soon be forgotten and suffering due to brain injuries, loss of limbs and mental problems due to the horrors of war will pay the cost for the rest of there lives.
I say if there is a just God He has a special place in hell for these politicians and may they go there shortly !

WIP wrote, inpart, "People you need to watch this because x-mas is coming and the main media shows are blowing smoke up everybodies butt about the economy picking up so everyone will spend,spend,spend for christmas."

Right, the "just go shopping" schtick, part deux.

I steel myself for the experience, put on the tin foil hat, but it's a must to watch Fox Noise, especially when the crystal ball comes out for "predictions"...

"....it'll be within 6 months..."

Topic? Iran.

All the jet-setting around the world to beg for the $$$ to fulfill a prophecy - what? Is "god" broke?

Good show Bill.But I liked the NOW show better with Elizabeth Warren.People you need to watch this because x-mas is coming and the main media shows are blowing smoke up everybodies butt about the economy picking up so everyone will spend,spend,spend for christmas. BULLCRAP!! I would also like to know where the first payout under IDIOT BUSH went? Fox only talkes about OBAMA package what happened to the BUSH package money?

Anna D.
The red herrings are coming out of the bucket faster, smellier and deader :-).

DCE: Ya!, no doubt about that and there is also something rotten in District of Columbia.

Anna D.
The "sea" was a metaphor for more than just the literal "sea"...
Which way is "up" stream?


DCE: I see what you mean...
Downstream is "down" from high ground so upstream would be toward higher ground.
All of the fish are in the same kettle of fish and their only hope of survival is to quit eating each other and concentrate on a way to get out of the kettle. (:-)>


The red herrings are coming out of the bucket faster, smellier and deader :-).

The "sea" was a metaphor for more than just the literal "sea"...

Which way is "up" stream?

"Anna D.
Between the "lead cooking pots" and the "crack pots"; we are all candidates for the salient green machine.

There's a whole lot of other life forms in the sea besides the big fish and little fish...
Posted by: Anna D

Ya but...
Who wants to be a crab or a snail? Being people does have its advantages.
In the mean time...
All we can do is swim up steam against the current."


Posted by: D.C.Eddy

Amazing how GOP's NOW are interested in details. They didn't care about details or the truth when it came to WAR when Bush was recklessly and incompetently in charge. No exit strategy, no problem. A LIE as in YOU LIE - no problem.

The REAL lasting imprint that Bush made was starting a war in Iraq based off lies, thus, killing thousands of American soldiers - apparently this is not important to Bushwackers.

I am sure ALL GOP's, who supported Bush's corrupt war in Iraq, made their children join the military. Otherwise, I can't imagine how disappointed Bushwackers must be in their children who decided to go to college and not join the military.

If we are short of troops, thanks to Bush, a draft needs to get started. First ones drafted should be those who support Bush's corrupt war in Iraq which he started off lies. Second ones to be drafted are all family members of those who support Iraq. And those fore mentioned to be drafted need to head to the front lines, anything less would be inappropriate.

Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld - Weapons of Mass Destruction, Weapons of Mass Destruction Well, where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction? You get ONE guess where the Weapons of Mass Destruction are NOT located. The basis for why we invaded Iraq yet there are NO Weapons of Mass Destruction, yet WE are still there. We got Weapons of Mass Destruction drilled into our heads by those idiots because of all the media coverage those idiots got. Biased liberal media coverage - You have got to be kidding! If Bush would have stayed focus on Afghanistan, the Taliban would not be terrorizing the world.

Bush pulled the majority of our troops out of Afghanistan and he stopped sending troops to Afghanistan-the forgotten REAL war- to start his corrupt war in Iraq which he LIED about, hence, CORRUPT war. And now that vile Cheney and some GOP's think Obama is endangering our troops! Unbelievable! How dumb can a man be? I'd rather see our troops alive and out of Iraq than any stupid 'win' title. In a civilized world, it should not be acceptable to start a war off lies!

For Bush to start a war in Iraq off lies and not be held accountable, furthermore then getting RE-elected after all his lies, corruption, and ever embarrassingly stupid speeches, is truly beyond comprehension and a warped sense of Patriotism. A true insult to the service of veterans especially the vets who never returned home.


Dear Mr. Moyer,
I watched with interest your program when you showed parts of the movie, "The Good Soldier". I recall your comment at the end when you said "So, on Veterans' Day, let's salute veterans now striving for peace; they have the right idea." I also am an Army Veteran who served in combat in Viet Nam. I believe there are OTHER good soldiers like myself who are just as good as they are and disagree with their point of view, attitude and agenda. I would definitly be interested when you would, in all fairness, present another hour long program presenting an alternate point of view. (But, I am not holding my breath.)

Anna D.
Between the "lead cooking pots" and the "crack pots"; we are all candidates for the salient green machine.

There's a whole lot of other life forms in the sea besides the big fish and little fish...
Posted by: Anna D

Ya but...
Who wants to be a crab or a snail? Being people does have its advantages.
In the mean time...
All we can do is swim up steam against the current.

Anna D.
Between the "lead cooking" pots and the "crack pots"; we are all candidates for the the salient green machine.

There's a whole lot of other life forms in the sea besides the big fish and little fish...
Posted by: Anna D

Ya but...
Who wants to be a crab or a snail. Being people does have its advantages.
In the mean time...
All we can do is swim up steam against the current.

D.C.Eddy wrote, in part, "The problem with Plan Q is that they will hang us with the rope and then complain about the waste of a perfectly good rope."

I already noted the problem:

"Isn't it OBVIOUS by now to the "chosen ones" delusionally manipulating "genetics" that the sadistic exploitation of human "weakness" does nothing other than create a ruling class and a slave class of nut jobs?"

There's a whole lot of other life forms in the sea besides the big fish and little fish...


Plan "Q" - give 'em enough rope...
Posted by: Anna D.

The problem with Plan Q is that they will hang us with the rope and then complain about the waste of a perfectly good rope.
At the present time the exploitation is the typical top down Big Fish eats the Smaller Fish.
As far as the amplification of "views" goes; that is the only way to be heard above the meaningless garbage of the talking heads.
we need solutions not rhetoric.

When in doubt shout about! Maybe someone will listen.

D.C Eddy wrote, in part, "You are probably right that there are prisoners that deserve to be gun fodder. personally, I think there are a lot of CEO's, Lobbyists and Politicians that would fall in that catagory.
It is true that there a lot of malicious sadists that enjoy other people's pain.
There are also the self-righteous who are lifted up by someone else's downfall."

Frankly, I'm getting annoyed with the insistence that the same "view" keeps being amplified.

Isn't it OBVIOUS by now to the "chosen ones" delusionally manipulating "genetics" that the sadistic exploitation of human "weakness" does nothing other than create a ruling class and a slave class of nut jobs?

There is NO difference between the neighbor who seeks to exploit you (still willing to dive at the 10% leftover carcass of "wealth") and the CEO who seeks to exploit both the neighbor and you.

Absolutely no difference in "class".

Going on 2 YEARS of agreement on the genesis of the PROBLEM - guess it should be expected that the people who created the problem have no interest in CHANGE, do they?

All we have is the volume being raised on the advertisement of EVIL.

People in EU countries listening to the attempts of normal USA citizens to TURN down the volume have decided it ain't gonna happen.

Plan "Q" - give 'em enough rope...

" FINALLY...SOME ONE ASKED HIM THE QUESTION!
YESTERDAY ON "ABC-TV" (BETTER KNOWN AS THE ALL BARRACK CHANNEL)
DURING THE "NETWORK SPECIAL ON HEALTH CARE".... OBAMA WAS ASKED:


"MR. PRESIDENT WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE UP YOUR CURRENT HEALTH CARE PROGRAM AND JOIN THE NEW 'UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM' THAT THE REST OF US WILL BE ON ????". (BET YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER)

THERE WAS A STONEY SILENCE AS OBAMA IGNORED THE QUESTION AND CHOSE NOT TO ANSWER IT !!!

IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OF SENATORS WERE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS. "WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT."

AND THEY DID. IT WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY ON THE NEWS THAT THE "KENNEDY HEALTH CARE BILL" WAS WRITTEN INTO THE NEW HEALTH CARE REFORM INITIATIVE ENSURING THAT CONGRESS WILL BE 100% EXEMPT !


SO, THIS GREAT NEW HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT IS GOOD FOR YOU AND I... IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR OBAMA, HIS FAMILY OR CONGRESS...??

WE (THE AMERICAN PUBLIC) NEED TO STOP THIS PROPOSED DEBACLE ASAP !!!! THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG !!!!!

PERSONALLY, I CAN ONLY ACCEPT A UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE OVERHAUL THAT EXTENDS TO EVERYONE... NOT JUST US LOWLY CITIZENS... WHILE THE WASHINGTON "ELITE" KEEP RIGHT ON WITH THEIR GOLD-PLATED HEALTH CARE COVERAGES.
If you don't pass this around, may you enjoy his Plan!"

Sometimes reality exceeds expectations - then what? Is there an "institution" people get sent to if reality has proven to be better than their expectations?
Posted By: Anna D.

Sure enough...
Those whose reality exceeds their expectations get bumped up to the "pie in the sky" institution where they believe that it is the victims own fault if their life turns into a miserable mess when They lose their job, lose their house and are forced to live under a bridge and eat other people's garbage. This has also been the case for many vets.
The advertising people make sure that no one's expectations are exceeded. Their battle CRY is BUY! BUY! BUY!
You are probably right that there are prisoners that deserve to be gun fodder. personally, I think there are a lot of CEO's, Lobbyists and Politicians that would fall in that catagory.
It is true that there a lot of malicious sadists that enjoy other people's pain.
There are also the self-righteous who are lifted up by someone else's downfall.
You are right. The war drum fear mungers are making the most of the situation to up their bottom line. They will be first in line at the deepest dungeons of hell.
Our abusive use of our technology will be our undoing. The last woman standing will still be looking for a place to shop. (:-)>


As I watched the show I became very, very disappointed. In honor of Veterans Day I found the "Good Soldier" episode to be disrespectful to the millions of men and women who have served in the military, including in combat, and live normal, productive lives. They are men and women who believe that their military experience gave them new skills, confidence, discipline,and honor. Yes, honor.

I spent two tours in Vietnam between 1967 & 1969 and returned to the US afterwards and simply went on with my life. I'm not haunted, I have no anguish from what I did/saw, I'm proud of having served -- even though I believe war is a terrible thing and wish with all my heart no one ever had to fight in one.

But that doesn't mean I can't be proud of my service as I know that many others are.

For almost 40 years I've seen Vietnam veterans (especially) portrayed by major media as dysfunctional, alcoholics, addicts, homeless -- or as Rambo. And yes, there are those who suffer terribly and we should help them in every way we can. I believe this is especially true with our Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who are serving multiple deployments.

But of the 3 million men (mostly) who served in Vietnam only about 10% were in sustained combat situations. And yet what is typically written about or portrayed on TV or film, is vet after vet who suffer from having killed. I think it is equally important to tell the stories of the 90% who don't suffer. Otherwise viewing audiences are left with a false picture -- one that ONLY presents one dimension of the veteran experience.

Family members, friends, relatives of veterans go away from depictions such as the ones in "Good Soldier" wondering about their loved ones. Wondering if they are in internal torment. And while it's possible that some are, most ARE NOT. And those who are not end up thinking that somehow THEY are the abnormal ones. That all the rest of the veterans are damaged and they wonder why that is.

The stories told in the program deserve to be told -- and have been, many times. On veterans day though I wish you would have shown a balanced picture of who veterans are. The vast majority of us are pretty much invisible. We just live our lives and don't make much of the fact that we served in the military, even if it was in combat.

I love your shows and watch them every week. But this one was a real disappointment to a Vietnam veteran.

D.C.Eddy wrote, in part, "A lot of the people that are in prison are there because of the disparity between expectation and reality."

Sometimes reality exceeds expectations - then what? Is there an "institution" people get sent to if reality has proven to be better than their expectations?

How would anyone else other than you know when reality exceeded your expectations?

There are a lot of people in jails who get off on all sorts of taboo behaviour...and it's not as if this is a new concept, is it? The British Empire emptied out its prisons in shipments to the "new world" - go settle "the west"...so why not ship the "hannibals" to fight the war against "terror"? Fear of so many psychos and sociopaths in one place actually getting together as "brothers" instead of "fighting"? Isn't that what has happened already, in a way...?

"Law" at its most simplistic and fundamental being-ness is nothing more or less than the ability of a 2 year old to grok that there are other people on the planet and it's not all about ME ME ME.

People CHOSE to hurt others. Their rationalizations for it have gotten lamer and lamer.

"All psycho babble, all day" - crazy people crtitiquing the actions of other crazy people pretty much means that the "news" delivery system in our democracy has shut down.

The "bodies" are already over there in the middle east - the propagandists have run out of ways to sell it and the red herrings of topics have reached our eyeballs...

It was NOT a technical error that the satellite voice feed dropped during the collective prayer session at the Ft. Hood ceremony yesterday...

On the eve of Veterans Day, Poppy Day, Armistice Day or Remembrance Day, one does pause to reflect about war. When I was 18 I signed up and spent about 10 years in the Forces. There was idealism at that point in my life and an excitement about serving and travelling. I wonder if this feeling is universal? Is it created by the movies, or the symbolism of military exploits from history, or the beating of the chest in national pride? You think about Sparta, Alexander the Great, the Persians, the Romans, the French Foreign Legion, the British Empire, WWII, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Billy Bishop and the Red Baron and all sorts of war related stories. You don’t think much about Auschwitz, wasted lives, graves and cemeteries. You don’t think about the sheer futility and folly of going to war in the first place. I wonder if war is a way that some companies try to make a profit. You would hope not, but it does seem plausible. Who decides that there should be a war? What is their motivation for declaring war? Is it always due to different religious beliefs? Or is war due to different ethnic origins? Maybe the enemy just looks different. Are ordinary people manipulated by the media to support a war? Can you abolish war? With the current wars in the world, what are we really fighting for and who benefits? Looking back through history war has taken a significant human toll. What could we have done in health care or energy research if we used the funds spent on war differently? War does waste a great deal of time, people, energy and scarce resources. And yet we never learn from the past. We keep repeating the same mistakes regardless of race, nationality, colour or language. We are not a civilized planet. We do need a Remembrance Day to make us pause and think about what we are doing. What are you doing?

Applying Vulcan logic - why not empty out the prisons into the body grinder of "war"?
Posted by: Anna D.

A lot of the people that are in prison are there because of the disparity between expectation and reality. There are too many laws and many of the laws are unjust or the punishments unreasonable.
Justice and equity are a thing of the past. Now we have punishment and greed.
I get the bad feeling that a lot of parents want their children to go into the military so they can win the pay back lottery for losing a son or daughter.
Wining the lottery has become a national fixation that does not fix anything; it is just a placebo to give people high hopes they too will be rich. The lottery also prevents people from getting angry about the disparity between the rich and the poor. They even ignore the rich stealing from the poor.

Why all the drugs and video games and "sports" and torture and blackmail to turn "normals" into psycho killers...?
Posted by: Anna D.

It is all about psychological preparations for war. It makes for good soldiers but unfortunately it makes for dangerous citizens and a malicious society. The collateral damage outweighs the false sense of security.



"War and Its Aftermath" speaks to my post-traumatic stress not as a war veteran, but as an anti-war veteran.
Those millions of us in the Vietnam War era who struggled to end that war took a kind of abuse similar to the film's WWII veteran who was seen by his father as a failure for getting wounded too early in the conflict.
The anti-war resistance was patriotic; yet we fought against the government, which under Richard Nixon and Veep Agnew did their best to stigmatize our painful dissent as un-American.
When escalation of troop strength is up for consideration again this week, I notice my stress-level rising. I really feel depressed to have to watch another generation sign up to try to get financing to go to college, and to suffer the same unwinnable guerilla conditions our soldiers suffered in our intervention in Vietnam.
Past U.S. policy in the Mid-East created Islamic fear of us. New Policy can diffuse the Taliban and Al Qaeda. More soldiers looking for I.E.D.s will aggravate hatred against us.

Barry Keenan Nov. 10, 2009

Dear Mr. President,

You are the President. No one else. Not Mr. Bush or Cheney, not the Pentagon.

OK, so consider, if you will, Fort Hood as a symbol of the collective stress that Americans are suffering.

And my point about Fort Hood being a symbol of the collective emotional stress that Americans are going through, is that a 40,000 or more troop escalation would stress everyone out as a tipping point.

America has suffered enough trauma for one year, for one war, for the war before, and the war before that. What worsens this is that the Pentagon cannot treat shock or trauma, it can only "debrief," and this does not work.

Consider this video, for example, for everyone is suffering on both sides:

Sources of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome - Related to the Wars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXeuUdyA9ng


If you cannot withdraw, because of pressure by the weapons manufacturers and Pentagon, etc, please scale the operation down to an intelligent, special ops surgical operation that makes sense to Americans -- a smaller police operation that could, without waste, find nuclear materials and assist the Pakistan border.

Adding more troops will not only add to the trauma and stress (which the Pentagon has proven it cannot abide or treat in its own troops), and the economic stress of Main Street, it will go against the tides of history and will make the real enemy harder to find and defeat.

Please move to an updated, surgical and police operation to keep the stress levels down in this country, if you cannot completely withdraw.

I speak here as an expert in the rapid relief and treatment of PTSD. What is done in craniosacral and light touch therapies works to relieve PTSD safely.

Thank you

No one does it better. I will forever be grateful to you for your courageous, unflinching look at the state of affairs today in America (while including some glorious stories like Playing for Change!).
I am grateful to have many friends from VFP and Iraq Veterans against War so am no stranger to the horrors in their stories.

What does sadden me is that your viewers do not even know that there is a peace movement in this country, one that has been active since the bombings first started. We are elders and we are students, we are young mothers and we are nuns, we are Franciscans and survivors of torture in El Salvador. And many of us are veterans. Each of us has decided that war trumps everything and must be stopped--if not I, then who? If not now, then when?
I have been arrested with one 89-year-old former inner city teacher four times alone (and still she has hope, this Ms. Eve Tetaz). Of course our numbers are down because no one wants to protest this new President who brings so much, but protest we must until the killing stops.

I am a cancer patient, and that did not stop me. Still I go to DC for the "anniversaries", not only because I need to be there for peace but also because to not go would break my heart. How do people endure it? Just sit absorbing the news, moving through life with free-floating malaise? Resign myself to "the dark side"?

March 17, 2006 thousands of people of faith marched to the White House in driving snow, knelt in prayer, and 222 of us were arrested.
March 18, 2006 the march on the Pentagon with same number of people but a handful of anarchists. Guess which got the media coverage? Violence is sexier than prayerful action.

President Obama wants to hear our voices; we all know he's hearing loads from the corporate interests and the war business. He himself told us to "make me do it" when asked about stopping war.
And I refuse to go down the uber-cynical road. We know the arguments about the system and all that. Just stop the war NOW and stop the killing machine NOW.

JOIN THE PEACE MOVEMENT NOW
Be in Washington in March for what will be a very important time in our nation's history. See Veterans for Peace, Peace of Action, Cindy Sheehan, IVAW, Washington Peace Center web-sites. Or join in actions in your town in March. Taking action with other peace activists is the only way I can live through war with my heart intact, and they are a blessed lot. Together, we can stop the killing. Speaking truth to power is the only thing that has ever changed this nation, and it is not too late to join us in making history.

Thank you, Mr. Moyers. You are one of a tiny handful of real journalists in this country, but hardly any of the good ones expose their hearts and live with such integrity as you do. How I wish we had drafted you for President years ago when we'd spoken of it!

Peace be with you.

I sort of dislike saying it is "good" to learn from those who've been there, but it must be Grace that we do learn. If it isn't, I don't know what Grace is. As complex as the military industrial complex is, I assume we must learn what it is. Must apprehend what it is. It seems we have more tools to do this than Roman citizens had. Will enough of us put'em to use? Blowin in the wind.

"What Obama Is Up Against"
Monday 02 November 2009 by Russ Baker
http://www.truthout.org/11020910

Worth Watching

Applying Vulcan logic - why not empty out the prisons into the body grinder of "war"?

Why all the drugs and video games and "sports" and torture and blackmail to turn "normals" into psycho killers...?

My parents are sport fanatics! MyGrandfather,Bill Grimm on my mother side, with my Great-Uncle(Warren O. "Wedge" Grimm) were named "Walter Camp's All-American" in football on the West Coast. Lt. Warren O. "Wedge" Grimm (March 9, 1888 - November 11, 1919), An All-American at the University of Washington and an officer in the United States Army, he served with distinction as part of the American Expeditionary Force Siberia stationed in Russia in 1918-1919. He was assassinated on November 11, 1919, by members of the IWW (Wobblies) during the Centralia Massacre in Washington State.
You would have thought having gone through the horrors of it themselves in the First World War they would have never done it again. At least the children who had had to go through the war, those men that had to go through the Hell would never have wanted to send their children into war again, but they did! It doesn't seem to take them long to forget the horrors and Hell of war!
In Flanders Fields". It goes on:
"Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from falling hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow--In Flanders Fields!

Dear Bill, Once again your thoughtful voice rings out bringing us this great documentary. These are the voices of war the world needs to hear. These are the voices of truth and honor amid our country's unrelenting mad rush to solve all conflicts with murder and mahem. Thank you again.

This is such a moving and horrifying show... what we so desperately need right now. Of all the testimony, I think the line that still resonates most deeply with me is when the second Vietnam vet says if you give a gun to most people they can't kill another human being, that you have to teach people to kill. This is so obvious today, when we have all these returning soldiers who have been taught to kill and once home cannot change gears. We are letting war destroy our humanity. It must stop.

Dear Bill, thank you so much for the presentation of the film THE GOOD SOLDIER. I am a Canadian recently discharged from military duty in Montreal (Québec) and I must confess that I never ever could manage to recover from the horrors that I have experienced in the Bosnia conflict. I am too now a "soldier for peace" but nothing can erase what I saw, did and was told to do... I was on survival mode, I guess, but now, I am just hoping to get ONE full night of sleep without the recurring nightmares and panic attacks. Nothing however will remove the continuous pain in my left shoulder, where a Serbian bullet is permanently embedded in my bone and cannot be removed. I do however find much support from my fellow brigade companions, and together we somehow manage to get through yet another day, one at a time. AGAIN, thank you so much for showing the nation (and mine too, up here) the true colours of all these useless conflicts. AB, Montréal

When do we match what we preach with what we do?
We shout from the housetops our love of God while we fail to keep His commandments. When we are punished for our sins against God's creation and our fellow earthlings we gnash our teeth and weep bitter tears.
Loving God and doing unto others as you would have them do unto you is the law and it gets enforced. Evil does not happen without cause and effect. There is always a price to pay. There is both the evil we do and the good that we fail to do. We can do what is right and enjoy the fruits of our righteousness or we can do what is wrong and suffer the pain of our wrong doing.
Doing what is right is good for everyone no matter what their religion or their lack thereof.
The wages of sin is death and that abundant.
That is a fact of life.

Thank you Bill, for airing "The Good Soldier" and providing a venue to talk about alternatives to war.It is definitely time to consider "peace" at all costs. I have thought about this often as I was married for 27 years to a Korean War veteran and indeed he was affected by the war. I have spoken up at social gatherings with friends about the issue of war and stated my belief that "peace" is the only answer if we want our world to survive. I have been laughed at, told I was an idealist, naive, and would probably think differently if we were attacked on our shores. Well, we were, and I still believe "peace, not war" is the only answer. I believe in a strong military to be used ONLY as a defense against attack and to protect our borders. And if every country adopted the same philosopy the real intruder/s could be stopped immediately. We have such sophisticated warning systems now. I believe because we are a very powerful country we have the obligation to set in motion the idea that war is obsolete. When we look at our country's history, particularly regarding the Native population, we have our own genecide to deal with. It's time for our nation to look deep into it's soul and take a different path. Lee Kearney

It is difficult to believe any sane person thinks war can solve any of our world's problems. I only wish many, many more people will see "The Good Soldier." This film is testimony to the fact that war destroys not only our earth but our people, all sides.
The first step to bring peace to our world is to bring our service people home. We have a president who is capable of talking let's hope and pray he chooses to do so. The healing has to start now! I hope he sees the film. Thank you Bill Moyers for showing it on your fabulous program.

Sorry--billy bob

Hitler, stalin and the rest didn't cause those wars
it was the people who thought that their country superseded their humanity

And following the teachings of the great spiritual thinkers--Jesus, Einstein, Dr King, Gandhi Thoreau and the Buddha is not having my head in the sand.

I'm tired of war and of people who justify and glorify those who fight in them--with medals, parades and adulation.

BTW, my best friend went off to Nam and I sent him packages while I turned into a pacifist. Don't give me your--Pacifists have their heads in the sand-bullshit.

Nationalism is an infantile disease of mankind, a sort of planetary measles. Al Einstein.

Our lives, and his, were changed forever by war, and it is my prayer always for peace.

Thank you for your powerful show. I hope that a momentum for change will finally begin in the U.S. to end the barbarity of war.

Posted by: Anne Linn

Thanks, Anne, and all for sharing your family stories.

The roots of knowledge about the value of solutions other than "war" are too deep and too alive and too courageous to be silenced by vicious censorship and hysterical propaganda.

We need to remember this when we all seek "peace" together.

Kind regards.

Women and men who have been in combat and return home to proclaim the futility and personal moral destruction of that experience are the most heroic of all warriors. Their bravery is enhanced and sanctified. War is everyone's enemy.

I appreciated the airing of 'The Good Soilder' and those Veterans for peace, right before Veterans Day. As an aunt of a soilder in Afganistan I am interested in knowing the WWII Veterans, Edward Woods books and the war poet that he mentioned in this segment.

Your Friday night piece on veterans was a stunner and brought back years of memories regarding my father, Louis P.R. LeBlanc,
a veteran from WWII who managed to work his entire life after the war, with severely disabling depression and PTSD (he was considered 100% disabled but never applied for benefits). He only talked about war a few times, once with my husband, a professional counselor, after two many beers. My father explained that after 70 missions with the Flying Tigers in China and over Burma and later India and 3 deadly plane crashes, he finally met his limit. His commanding officer, trapped in an exploding and fiery plane, ordered my father to shot him. The officer was a Catholic and could not kill himself (my father also was a Catholic). My father told my husband that he did kill the officer once the flames began to engulf him, although later recanted (he could never face that terrible experience and many others involving dead and wounded civilians and military). After that, Louis spent two years in Walter Reed in Washington and never was able to kill anything, not even an ant.

How did this effect his family? We did not even hear about his war experiences until we were adults, but throughout his life, Louis was continually fearful and depressed. The Viet Nam war brought back the memories, and he was sure the communists were going to land on our shores. He raged against the Viet Nam war protestors and sunk deep into depression.

He was a loving man, and I miss him. He was in treatment in the Veteran's Administration hospitals for his entire adult life for a variety of maladies, all stress related (including not being able to talk for many years), but what eventually took his life was suicide at age 80. He started trying to kill himself almost 50 years to the day after his last plane crash in China (where he was the only survivor). He was guilty, and thought obsessively about his friends who died in the crash. In his first suicide attempt, he was unsuccessful, even though he drove his car off a cliff. After 4 more attempts, he finally succeeded to end his life with a drug overdose and a strict do not resuscitate order. His torment had come to an end. He was buried with full military honors at Riverside Veteran's Cemetary in California.

Our lives, and his, were changed forever by war, and it is my prayer always for peace.

Thank you for your powerful show. I hope that a momentum for change will finally begin in the U.S. to end the barbarity of war.

Tonights program was deeply moving.All of these men touched me and especially the marine who went to Iraq. Many times I've hoped that our president views your program because of the intelligent common sense that is presented by your guests. Today I wish that I could have picked up the phone to our president and said " You have to hear these men. Let their pain guide your decision on Afganistan.

Tonights program was deeply moving. I usually don't watch military oriented subjects but for some reason watched the first few minutes and couldn't stop. All of these men touched me and especially the marine who went to Iraq. Many times I've hoped that our president views your program because of the intelligent common sense that is presented by your guests. Today I wish that I could have picked up the phone to our president and said " You have to hear these men. Let their pain guide your decision on Afganistan.

Week after week you bring truth, honesty, respect, honor and sanity to our home via your broadcasts. They are always riveting and yet rarely easy to watch. Often, after viewing, we feel angry and motivated to bring change. Thank you for that.
Our son joined the military at the age of 30 and now 5 yrs later is about to be deployed to Iraq. On Veteran's Day we will take the time to honor all those who died, survived, and most of all those who became warriors for peace, as have your 4 profiled soldiers. We are not religious based people, but our prayers go out to them. That they, and others like them, through their brave actions now, find peace.
And we ourselves will keep marching and speaking out in hopes that we all find peace.

Dear Mr. Moyers, thank you for airing "The Good Soldier". As one of Mr. Wood's daughters, I was very moved by my Dad's experiences and know, to a certain extent, how war effected him and how Dad's experiences in war impacted our family. The words and experiences of all the vets in this documentary are very powerful and a reminder to us all that war is a terrible tragedy.

Susan Wood

Dear Mr. Moyers, thank you so much for airing "The Good Soldier". I am one of Mr. Wood's daughters and I know, first hand(to a certain extent) how war effected my Dad. He has lived with the demons produced by WWII all his life and these demons also greatly impacted us, his family. But I was so moved by his words and by the words and experiences of all the vets. I am proud of my Dad and very impressed by the experiences of all these tough vets.

Susan Wood

After watching "The Good Soldier" I was reminded of a conversation I had years ago with a friend who is a Viet Vet. He said that "killing was a rush, and anyone who said otherwise was lying". He went on to say he LOVED a "fire fight", that it was a "high" like no other. These comments sent a chill down my spine then and still do now. I'm sure my friend was permanently changed by his experience: he has to have a gun with him at all times to feel "safe", he has a very short, exlposive fuse, and I have no doubt he'd blow a strangers head off in a second if he was provoked and lost his shallow self control. He keeps as paperweights two rusty rocket rotors from shells he said exploded near him. I wondered why he would want to be reminded of that place, and then his answers told me. He is a "caged tiger" after all these years, and a quiet danger to all who cross his path as a result. But yes, a "GOOD SOLDIER".

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To all AMERICAN SERVICEMAN/WOMEN I salute you.My father served in France& Germany in WW11.Also my older brother during Vietnam. I think the biggest war blowing in the wind needs to be against the corporate run government! The democrats& republicans have had over 200 years to get to right and look what they done.Time for a new party new direction people.

Dear American Male,

I am a Viet Nam Vet.

Thank you brother, and Amen.

Grandpa, who is 98 years old today, spent about 3 months "raising" me when I was 14 years old.

There was no if, ands, ors or buts about his mission. He was going to find every type of example and approach and logic and he was going to be inexhaustibly patient until he saw the light bulb of understanding go on over my head.

"do not kill"

He's a WWI (young child, do the math) and an active WWII veteran who was born and raised in a farming village along the river in what is now "White Russia".

I got it and looking back on how much effort he put in to "raising" me, I am humbled by how much he loves me.

For any other reason other than saving your life while someone is actually in the process of trying to kill you, you do not KILL another because it does PERMANENT damage.

There is nothing, nothing, worse than killing for the $$$.

I'm not saying that that is what people are signing up for, but I believe we all have a moral obligation to take away the power from those who seize and attempt to maintain their tyranny through mercenary armies.

Even back in the jungle, man learned to survive through cooperation.

Will the real leader please stand up.

There are ten million Americans waiting for someone to give us a date to march on Washington.

We need publicly funded campaigns. Insist that your legislators support HR1826 and Senate bill S752; the Fair Elections Now Act. It is a bipartisan bill that eliminates corporate funding of election campaigns.

It was introduced in the House by U.S. Reps. David Price(D-NC) and Brad Miller(D-NC) and Rep. Walter Jones(R-NC) and in the Senate by Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL). It has over 100 co-sponsors in the House and 5 in the Senate. It languishes in comittee in both House and Senate. It won’t again see the light of day if we don’t act.

Will it stop the corporate oligarchy? No. Of course not. Greed and avarice will always find a way to corrupt. But, it will slow them down and transparent lobbying is another battle.

Will the real leader please stand up!!!

Who are we? With ancestry that predates the Revolution and has contributed blood to virtually every war our nation has participated in, I ponder this question with a sense of "obligation" to our greater good. There are those who are loyal pbs viewers who would look at my "cover" and past deeds, i.e. brawling, martial arts, football, fantasies of being the courageous warrior that had me a final signature away from the Marines...and miss something important, the tears that fall when we see the courage of those (such as the participants in this film) who speak truth to a system entrenched in perpetuating the conditions that cost the primary beneficiaries so little and return such "tidy" profits. Are "they" who I include in the collective "WE" and all of us who sit in nearly silent and growing "shock" and nauseous "awe" losing our humanity if not the sticking for our souls through our passive and/or active participation in this INSANITY of war (wouldn't we lock up an individual as a homicidal maniac if he or she resolved their conflicts in this way). Let US stand and shout in PEACE for PEACE.

At the end of the truncated "Good Soldier" Mr. Moyers ambivalently regrets that the collateral damage of spiritually destroyed veterans will continue to accompany wars "as long as we continue to fight wars."

The reluctance to discard war once and for all stems from acceptance of the excusable evil of the "good" war. Which, in our time, World War II is often cited as the best example. For all its horror World War II was the classic "good" war--conducted to stop undeniable violation of international borders--and justified as stopping the Holocaust and Japanese imperialist terror.

Yet in this just war we condemned the German use of bombs and missles against population centers, but soon countenanced our own fire-bombing cities to reduce the will to resist. Out of fear that our enemies might develop atomic weapons first, we perfected the super-bombs. We sought peace by demonstrating both a capacity to kill everyone in Japan without losing a single soldier and a ruthless willingness to do so.

Further, who knows how many unnecessary deaths occurred out of the Allies' insistence on unconditional surrender?

In the heat of battle the rules of war are as certainly casualties as is the truth.

International pursuit of reducing every nation's ability to make war will be the first practical step to world peace. But who will disarm in the presence of a superpower possessed of world-destroying weapons and a repeatedly displayed use its power "preventively" against other nations? The world is waiting on our example.

torn 11-7 1:33am hitler, stalin, etc. would not have been--except for their neighbors having a waring nature? What sand pile do you keep your head in?

My military training had missions in Nam, but fortunantly I went to Japan. I am thankful not to have killed anyone, BUT, I am no better or worse than those that happened to have a different assignment, and we ALL share in the responsibilities of war, though thankfully, not the nightmares!

I support Vets for Peace, while not condeming those WE sent to fight. I am deeply sorry but gratefull for those brave soldiers on your program, & all USA soldiers & FAMILIES that have paid extream prices through the wars we entered mainly to stop atrocities.

Billy Bob, Florida

Leaders force, entrap or inspire their followers to fight their wars, leading them to the slaughter in many cases. I believe the only way that war will be ended is when people learn to examine the truth in the light of their own conscience, overcome their emotions and groupthink and stand up for what they know is right. In the end the warrior must learn to say no to war for the greater good of peace. I love that soldiers who are brave enough to do that are comingn forward now, as well as journalists who report it. Now is the time. Thanks

I do not think that I suffer adverse consequences
from infantry combat with the Marines in Vietnam, but it was indeed a life-changing, world-view altering experience. I only wish that there were some way to force those who make the decisions that take our country to war, but who never experienced combat, to spend a few hours with the men featured in the film. It would at least challenge their many mis-understandings about war and expose them to what it necessarily does to many innocent victims that they intend to "save" and to thier "lucky" warriors who survive and come home.

VETERANS FOR PEACE
The power of words is what gives secrecy its potency. For too long, the secrecy of veterans nightmares fueled the delusion that continuing warfare is not destroying us in every way.
The difficult and profound confessions of our ordained warriors are far more than self redeeming therapy. These words and voices give us all shared responsibility for the FACTS of war.
These folks are our proxies and their reports give us ALL a chance for redemption. Our veterans are living testifiers of the consequences of our collective choice to support the philosophy of war.
The power of the words, VETERANS FOR PEACE, is the direct reciprocation necessary to end first, the delusions of war and bring us to our collective DIS-illusionment. The mass delusion that war is ANY kind of answer among the Human-WE, is coming to an end and the curtain is being pulled back by the frontline soldiers of wars past and present. Those words and shared voices are turning the tide and forcing us to CONSCIOUSLY choose organized mass murder as a problem solving strategy.
The reports are flooding in from all living veterans and the rising consensus is this, War is NOT a viable problem solving strategy, war is a colossal mistake.
These words and these voices are rolling forth and I would acknowledge their force and give it my support.
Thank you, veterans, for fighting for me, for killing for me and for dying inside, for me. Most of all, and so true to my mother heart, thank you for SPEAKING directly for me when you SPEAK OUT on the new frontlines of PEACE. When you give the collective call, it’s time to come home now. It’s time for peace.
May that PEACE strengthen your resolve as it soothes your hearts and the scars you carry for us all. May your souls be comforted as you speak the hard truths with Love. May the all powerful force of Love be your foundation and heal your minds and bodies as you point the way for us to heal ourselves.
PEACE, to you Vets,
PEACE INDEEED.

With deep appreciation and respect,
Reverend K

In this age of nuclear weapons, now stockpiled in our country (U.S.) and Russia, India and Pakistan, U.K. and France Ukraine and areas of the former Soviet Union, we are playing dangerous war games that could destroy life on this planet. It is time to examine the hypocrisy of demanding that our enemies not develop nuclear weapons when we produce them ourselves and make weapons sales such a large part of our economy. Is there no hope for a dismantling of these harbingers of death for the sake of the next generations? Bravo, Veterans for Peace!

I am very, very tired of the praise,no adulation, given to those who leave their homes to fight and kill all over the planet--in support of militarism.
War is terrorism--committed by people who accept being trained to kill. This point of view is virtually never heard or discussed.

Killing under the cloak of war is murder.& The pioneers of a warless world are the men and women who refuse military service. Albert Einstein

Thank you Mr. Moyers for tonight's "The Good Soldier." Vietnam was my war, lost my husband (13 Aug 1966) and about 30 years of my life to depression and anger. In 1999 visited the Wall in DC and the healing began. Since then, I guess you could say I have become a pacifist. When I read or hear of our sons and daughters lost to war,it offends me deeply. It offends me because the lost is so unnecessary. So thank you again for showing it and telling it like it is, allowing us to see first hand what war really is; that it does not end on the battlefield; that its effects are never-ending and everlasting.

Well done, Bill.

I'm writing to ask the producers and presenters of this Journal to please forward my thanks to the veterans. Thank you for telling me, personally, your stories. I imagine the experiences, and the tellings, took more courage than I will ever know. You are owed so much that we can't ever repay but we will try.

Excellent show, as a doorgunner on an assult helicopter I connected immediately with the chopper pilot. Men like him pulled us out of sure death situations many times.Controlling fear is the name of the game. I also went through a hard time when I got home. You never completely heal

Tough stuff to watch. Unsanitized. Un-computer-simulated. All too real. I can't say it enough, there is indeed a special place in heaven for documentary film makers. Thanks to PBS and the Journal for bringing this film to us.

My ex-husband served in Viet Nam. He, like many other vets, really didn’t talk too much about what went on there. He saw combat. He laughed about the drugs. He managed to duck most conversation about it. I do know that several years after we divorced, he became very active in helping Viet Vets. He still connects them with support groups and the government help that so many of them need.

The men profiled in the film are remarkable, though I'm sure they would modestly argue otherwise. I think these indeed are the “big” men in our American society. These men, thank God, lived to tell the story not only of war but also of themselves in war. I applaud and thank them for baring their emotions and for showing us that it’s not a movie. It’s not a tv show or video game. Regardless of one’s role, either citizen or soldier, war is a horrid life altering experience that fundamentally changes who a human is.

It is an experience from which one never really “recovers” at all.

I salute Bill Moyer and his Associates. "The Good Soldier". This was such a moving and powerful experience.

What these soldiers-war veterans-peace makers had to say and the riveting accompanying images was such an eye-opener for me, particularly since I've never served in the military.

There is something quite indescribable to me about their messages, getting through my thick skull.

I still consider myself merely an outsider-voyeur. Nevertheless, I've never felt so connected with veterans and their Adrenalin-pumping wartime activities and related heart-breaking messages.

To further understand all of this, I plan on viewing this program several more times.

I am grateful for their incredible composure and ability to so eloquently share some of their memories.

Consequently, I promise to contact my Massachusetts Senators and Congress-people (including John Kerry),to lobby against all war, except when it's truly absolutely the last resort.

Also, I'll find the book(s) written by the oldest gentleman on this program. It proves to be as mind-grabbing and emotionally horrible as "Night" by Elie Wiesel (about his horrifying experiences in the German concentration camps.

Mr. Moyers, Thank you for airing parts of The Good Soldier. What a powerful piece of film making. I have known Ed Wood all my life and I can tell you that his brief experience in battle in WWII, and being seriously wounded, informed and colored everything in his life and relationships and work, for good or bad, from thereon.
Please continue your tremendous work exposing us to people who have important things to say, and who speak truth to power with authenticity and eloquence.

Forgive me, I meant to compliment the documentary,today's show "A Good Soldier" (I titled it incorrectly previously.

I intend to share this with all I know.

Thanks as usual for the great public service you do with this kind of journalism.

How can America ever repay all the harm it have done around the world?

Thank you Bill for presenting a shortened version of the documentary film: "The Good Soldier". I hope Americans take your advice and see the film next week to honor our veterans.
Jeffrey A. Brightbill
RMSN U.S. Navy
Member of the Thomas Paine Chapter of Veterans For Peace.

I have to emphasize that we DO intentionally target and kill the innocent.

I have heard from countless veterans, and have seen actual pictures, that our soldiers are specifically told to kill innocents and disregard and disrespect their worth. It is part of the military brainwashing to desensitize. This is common and routine, as also evidence in this show.

Therefore, we DO terrorize which is why others are defending their lands and lives that we have illegally and immorally invaded. Just like what Europeans did to the Indigenous on this continent and that still continues today.

When are we going to get over the myths and lies that we don't commit terrorism and genocide.

That is entire history and legacy of the U.S. and other European colonialist imperialism is all about and why other countries of people of color don't trust us.

Show you had for 6/ Nov. /9 was good thankyou.

Bill Moyers Journal continues to outdo itself with the show, "War and Its Aftermath".

I grew up in a traditional Latino/Indian family of mostly men who have all been in the military from WW11 to present.

As a minority female in the family I have always been anti-war but cognizant of the fact that soldier are simply servants to a militaristic system.

I hope this show serves far and wide to make all more conscious of the fact that we are humans first, and patriotism has nothing to do with the dignity and worth of all people.

My experience with "war" is that I am sad daily when I think of the innocents, especially children, old and animals and even young men, who we have left behind writhing in lifelong pain and a worthless life of physical and emotional suffering because of genocide committed with my tax dollars. I feel deep shame and sorrow.

Great journalism. Thank you, Bill for providing an avenue for real conversation about the tragedy of war. Wives, husbands, sons and daughters are the casualities, and so are we, who are living if we do nothing.

What differentiates American soldiers from the enemy is our compassion and empathy. We do not intentionally target non-combatants. We feel horribly bad when the "innocent" are killed. It is a job that must be done, and collateral damage will occur, but not with malice aforethought. Godbless our sympathy and compassion. Let us celebrate our difference from those "others" who behead and terrorize the innocent.

Sometimes when you are busy and can't get to the remote to change the channel, you get "fed" information that stops you in your tracks.

A certain psychiatrist was the guest of a cable "news" bloviator's show...the shrink boiled down the solutions to the "problem" to three methods of "solutions"...up until I heard this "conversation" on yesterday's "Lou Dobbs" show, I thought there was still a chance to save the social fabric of USA humanity.

Chilling, absolutely chilling what the guest shrink, Dr. Lieberman, IS.

"NO MAS, that we march against Washington, shouting LAY DOWN ARMS FOREVER."
Mary Lansing,

As long as people are killing each other as a way of solving problems it would be foolish to "lay down our weapons".
First there must be a better way to resolve problems and everyone must lay down their weapons except in the case of self-defense.
Even Christ admitted that there would always be wars and rumors of war.
The United Nations was intended to provide an alternative to war and that has been a failure.
We need to be changing the nature of people through methods of nurture but instead we promote self-centeredness, hate, greed, maliciousness and violence.
We need a paradigm shift in the way we think and act in relation to our social interactions.
Otherwise, we face fractured personalities and many horrible ways to die.

Guns have become an acceptable means of voting. Dr. Nidal Hasan exercised his franchise to cancel the volition of at least 13 compatriots. It was his way of rejecting our sham wars of occupation that harm so many well-meaning people.

Now I agree with Major Hasan on the wars but think an insubordination stint might have been a better solution. I disagree with his legal use of the tragic Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (so touted by Supreme Court arms investors).

Hasan bought non-issue guns off base as is the right of every competent and non-felonious American citizen. I can't see him hunting deer with those type weapons. Without a narrower interpretation or repeal of the "right to bear arms" an avalanche of mass murder is overdue to break loose as the American dream deflates. Laid off workers, those losing assistance, those under financial stress, returned and to be deployed military, and anyone who feels slighted and hopeless are candidates.

I am not above fantasizing about violence against those who have done me wrong. I have owned the guns and had opportunity to act but thought better of it, but I can understand how these things happen. I got rid of my guns because that was not a form of voting I felt a good human being or citizen should exercise.

We vote with our feet through freedom of movement (remains restricted). We vote with our minds and voices through speaking and writing (Moyers advocates and provides some of this opportunity.). We vote with our spending (after consumer education). We vote by using our creativity to make our views conspicuous (protests, demonstrative acts, harmless mischief, lobbying in person). And the present Supreme Court interpretation says we can vote by intimidating and attacking with guns (no action until crimes occur). As our peaceful voting means are diminished and taken away this crazy one gains in importance and urgency.

Please America, give us all our legitimate rights that secrecy and invasion of privacy, diminishment of opportunity and volition, and fear and intimidation have recently taken away. For everyone's sake return these human and Constitutional rights, but take away the crazy gun rights and the warmongering, I pray.

It's Thursday, so I have not seen this episode yet. Still, I had to write to tell you that today, driving across town, I thought to myself, "how close are we to the time when we have listened to enough veterans' stories that we decide as a nation NO MAS, that we march against Washington, shouting LAY DOWN ARMS FOREVER."
And then I received this email from you.
It's not a coincidence.
Thanks for listening,
Mary Lansing

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