In the feasibility studies, there was a woman named Lee Jaffe. She was Director of Public Relations for the Port Authority. Incidentally, Mrs. Jaffe died this year at the age of 100. And so I remember reading through all the papers that I read. She had suggested to this study team, doing a feasibility study, if you're going to build a great project, you should build the tallest building in the world.

I remember, we were negotiating first with Mayor Wagner and then Mayor Lindsey. And I was shaving one morning and I was thinking, "Gee, if I could think of only one more thing that we might be able to do, that might close the deal," if you would. It was a very complicated arrangement. I said, "You know, maybe we could take the dirt out of the bottom of the trade center," and there were only some rotten old piers next to the World Trade Center, and they were not useful for anything. "Why not put the dirt in the river? Because land is a valuable commodity." And so I called Mr. Price and Mr. Lindsey and said, "Listen, I have an idea. I think we could take the dirt out of the bottom of the trade center and give it to the city of New York." And they had two questions first. Number one: "You're going to save money," they said. And "No," I said, "It's going to cost us money because you can't just put dirt in the river. You have to put a wall around it or it'll go floating away." And so it happened to be five, almost $6 million more to do that. And number two, I said, "You know, not only will it cost us more, but think about it." I said that "You will have that land, and you can use it for housing, you could use it for anything that you want." And that was the beginning of the World Financial Center. Battery Park City. And so it -- And it was adjacent to the World Trade Center of New York. So the two things together, the World Financial Center and Battery Park City, housing, but more than that, that had over six million square feet of office space alone. So it was a great partnership, if you would.