Schroeder: I think if you look at the polls, people are starting to think that he's mean, he's extreme, he doesn't listen, he just talks. If they ponder his book, book sales didn't turn out to do quite as well as he'd like to have you think. People read them and start to say, 'Huh? How does that fit together again?' So, you know, at first it was like, yes this is a new flavor. We got tired of vanilla; this one's got zip. Now they've decided that it's got a little more zip than they want. I think you'll see a trimming of the sails, otherwise I think he'd be out of here and running for President. If this was really the new age of Gingrich, I think he'd be watching his campaign. But I don't think you're going to see that.

Q: But I would like to ask whether or not you would grant that there is some degree of the unhappiness with Washington. Some degree --that was the sense of people--that they're sending people back there and nothing happened.

Schroeder: That's right.

Q: And there is the inclination, it seems to me, to grant Gingrich and the Republicans that. We may not like everything he's doing but they have done something. They said they're going to this, this, and this, and by golly they seem to have done that.

Schroeder: Well, first of all, what this new group has done they've done in the House basically. I mean, it hasn't gotten to the out box. Nothing's really gotten to the out box so that it's in reality a law. And the interesting thing is that even the President of the United States is vetoing all of this because it never even gets to his desk. It never gets by the Republicans in the Senate. So you really have Republicans fighting Republicans. And we're kind of bystanders up in the bleachers. There's no question that the American people are frustrated with Washington. And I think Gingrich and others who have lived off Washington and pumped more Washington money into their districts have never played on that very, very well. Now people are saying, 'Wait a minute, wait a minute, this is one of the biggest game players, the guy that's violating his own criteria by a humongous amount. Whoa, we may have been used a bit in all of this.'

I think the second part is people are listening a lot more carefully to what they're saying and realizing that while government doesn't meet the same high service requirements we Americans want, if we go in and order orange juice, we want the orange juice cold, we want the coffee hot; we want this. So Newt's thing is, well, we'll send it to the state and local level. We'll ask people how they waited for their state license plate and find out it wasn't really the solution. What we really want is better service from the government. We want it to be more efficient. We want to make sure that as much waste as possible is gone. And we want to blow up some programs, because they're not needed. But we also want to keep some others because we think they're very important. They're coming in and blowing up the ones Americans want to keep and keeping the ones that Americans don't understand. The peanut program --'Oh, we can't touch that, that's for Georgia don't you understand?' And the sugar program, we've got to give them the money? And B2 bombers and deploy Star Wars -- give them all the money in the world? They want to keep the farm subsidies and keep this and keep that? All that stuff and we knock sixty thousand kids out of Head-Start? That's when Americans say, 'Whoa, we really were sold a bill of goods. We thought the Democrats were bad, holy mackerel. Their welfare's all corporate. Their welfare are all the people with the biggest PACs.'

And if you truly believe that the neediest people in this country are the greediest... the problem is that the greedy are so needy and the needy are really very greedy. The people are saying, 'No, we don't really think the problem is that the greedy are so needy and that the needy are so greedy. No, no, no, let's roll this all back again and start over.' So, needy, greedy Newt Gingrich, and it's how you flip needy and greedy as you come out on this. But it's really broken down into this new little word game. And all the greedy, he's feeling their needs. And they're getting more. I don't think the average American believes that.