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Higher Education Made to Walk the Hardline

by ALI CHENAR in Tehran

03 Nov 2010 22:3135 Comments

Ideological correctness trumps academic performance.

IMG_0004.jpg[ dispatch ] The recent dissolution of Iran University for Medical Sciences (IUMS) and the halt in developing new advanced degree programs in the social sciences have underscored again the character of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's higher education policies. Many have described his treatment of Iran's universities as impulsive at best, while others are baffled by its lack of cohesion. One thing is clear: While the government's actions may seem erratic and perplexing, they are directed toward a common goal -- reviving a strict centralism in the field of higher education, focused on conservative ideological values.

A University of Tehran lecturer said, "When President Khatami was in office, universities enjoyed some degree of autonomy and many controls were relaxed." I reminded him that Iran's universities have never really been autonomous. Their presidents are always appointed by the minister of higher education. "True," he acknowledged, "still, during Khatami, the minister at least would have asked the faculty's opinion. That novelty is long gone." The University of Tehran, the oldest academic institution in the country, has had three different presidents in the past five years. "From day one, Ahmadinejad sought to control the universities. He appointed his close allies to run the nation's prestigious schools, ignoring the faculty's views or objections," the lecturer added.

The events of recent years give credibility to this academician's assessment. In the early months of Ahmadinejad's first administration, his government retired several Iranian academicians and college professors. It replaced the presidents of the University of Tehran and Allameh Tabatabaei University (ATU) almost immediately with members of the clergy. Since then it has replaced several others across the country. Only a few months ago, the presidents of two of Iran's most prestigious academic institutions, Sharif University of Technology and the Institute for Advanced Studies in Basic Sciences, were replaced. In most of these cases, the decision to remove the school's chief officer caught students and faculty by surprise. Amir, an engineering student, said, "I think the government was afraid of students' reaction, so they tried to minimize the objections by sudden announcements and a speedy replacement process."

Mohammad, a graduate student in a provincial school, thinks the government is trying to micromanage the universities. "It is true that schools were not independent from the government during Khatami, but they had some say in hiring their faculty and designing their programs." That authority is gone now -- all new faculty members at every university must be cleared by the Ministry of Higher Education. This was the procedure during the 1980s, a decade marked by revolutionary fervor and radical Islamic puritanism. As for the new programs, universities have to wait a long time for a green light. Two weeks ago, the ministry announced that it has halted approving new master's programs in a dozen social science majors including law, philosophy, management, psychology, political science, women's studies, human rights, economics, and education. The officials told reporters that the contents of these programs must be reviewed to match Islamic and national standards. "It seems that ideological correctness has become the government's first priority," Mohammad added with a sigh.

Indeed, several high-ranking officials have emphasized their commitment to fighting Western influence in Iran's universities. And in case they forget their promises there is Ayatollah Mohammad Taghi Mesbah Yazdi, the leading ultra-conservative religious figure. Just last summer, he told the annual gathering of the Assembly of Experts that "some of the course contents in our universities are outright anti-Islamic." He cautioned his audience, "If the authorities do not take the necessary measures, we shall step forward ourselves."

Ahmadinejad's administration requires little encouragement. It is already interfering in the day-to-day business of Iranian academia. It is rumored that the decision to dissolve IUMS was made by the president himself. The Ministry for Higher Education is enforcing the Islamic dress code zealously. It has distributed leaflets describing the proper Islamic outfit for students in classrooms and lecture halls, and reminded school officials that the dress code is required by law.

These changes have been frustrating for the many who thought the Reformists' modest improvements permanent. Zahra, a social sciences major who graduated from ATU during the Reformist era, grew furious as she recalled a recent visit to her alma mater. "I went to school to see an old professor and to follow up on some paperwork with the administration. I was stopped at the entrance. They have separated the women's entrance from the men's. And there were female guards who checked me for makeup." Her eyes sparked and her face turned crimson. "When I was a student, no one ever stopped me at the gate. There was one entrance for both men and women. I felt as if the school has gone back to the Stone Age."

Few in academia doubt the counterproductive effect of these changes. A veteran humanities professor said, "All of this is happening at a crucial time. In the past two decades, Iranian universities and colleges have been building up their academic strength. There is a huge demand for their expansion into graduate studies." That expansion will not materialize under the current circumstances. "We need stability and peace to carry on teaching and research. Faculty members across the country are already stressed by the economic conditions. When job instability is added to their worries, the outcome will not be academic progress." One wonders, though, if academic progress is anywhere on Ahmadinejad's list of priorities.

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35 Comments

this article is a typical reformists' propagenda.


especially written for the audiences in the west. I doubt even it was written by somebody in Iran.

when will reformists stop this act of stupidity? they have lost the solid majority by their shortsightedness and yet to get the lesson out of it. continue to be in the same illusion.

when the society's mood is faraway from the reformists' mindset, I wonder why shouldn't universities and their heads reflect that?

Irani / November 4, 2010 2:34 PM

@Irani, where is the propagenda in this article? It seems you agree that the government is changing the conditions in universities.

Ami / November 4, 2010 5:43 PM

Dr.Sohrabpour was the head of Sharif for more than 12 years (I was educated at Sharif). it's just natural to replace him by somebody else. and btw, his brother is the private doctor of Khamenie (conspiracy-gee).

well, I think, the gov. must change the conditions in universities so that students pay attention to their main job (as we see here in north American universities); education, rather being played in the hands of various factions. time and again, we have seen how student activities created real mess, e.gs 1979 revolution down to 2009 election.

as I said, the society's mood is not in favor of reformists, so, the universities must reflect this taste as well. most of the universities in Tehran are dominated by reformists and they are trying hard to inject their bankruptct ideology. what is wrong in changing this situation? the reformists are as "tamamiat khah" as their opponents might be. we have seen their actions during Khatami's tenure. and of course, "farfekani" is an inherent part of most of these so called reformists.

reformists are very good propagandists (I supported them disillusionally in several elections 1376-1385) and this article is just one example.

Irani / November 4, 2010 9:33 PM

@Irani, the article is not about Sohrabpour it is about the way that government is manipulating the universities. I did not see a reformist angel to it as you claim. And by the way in North American universities there is very little government interference and students are free to be politically active. Your comparison is short sighted. By the way "totalitarianism" is the word you were looking for, improve your English proficiency if you want to do your "main" job in a North American university.

Behzad / November 5, 2010 12:29 AM

@Behzad:

thanks for reminding me of the english word for "tamamiat khahi"!. however, don't think that reflects the true meaning of "tamamiat khahi" though. btw, why didn't u mention about "farafekani"? couldn't u find anything in Farsidic?!

I am sure it's gonna be depressing for u to say this. but I already finished my main job in a north American university!

Good luck

"the article is not about Sohrabpour. [in fact] it is about the way [government manipulates](that government is manipulating the) universities. I did not see a reformist angel [in]to it [the way u claimed] as you claim. And by the way in North American universities[,] there is [a] very little government interference[.] (and)[indeed] students are [usually]free [for their political activities]to be politically active. Your comparison [of Iranian universities with the NA ones] is short sighted. By the way "totalitarianism" is the word you were looking for[.], improve your English [language]proficiency if you want to do your "main" job in a North American university. "

Irani / November 5, 2010 2:06 AM

What is the reformists propaganda? Semi free press? A republic that counts her vote? Peace and not war? A government who does not lie, cheat, insult, breed conflict and spill the blood of the innocent? Mr. Irani; you only wish that you were Sharif University material. Or maybe not? Since it guarantees you insult, rape, torture and death in our dorm or worst in an Evin cell? The IR threats the leader of JunddaAllah better than the most brightest kids of Iran. At least he a got a quick death and was not tortured every day and left to rot in a cell smaller than a dog's grave. Go spew this none sense on the Facebook page where you belong and do not make a fool here of yourself and the corrupt mafia whom you represent.

Ali / November 5, 2010 8:56 AM

@Ali

well, let's not moralize this issue. the "brightest" people you referred to insulted the vote of the solid majority at the first place. they, then acted as thugs in the streets (trite). I am sure, u know that rights comes with responsibility. and by all accounts, these people failed in fulfilling their basic responsibilities. no gov. would have any mercy for anarchists. whilst, they wanted a selective democracy, they can't be trusted, or the champions for that matter, of freedom and human rights. they didn't respect the right to rule of the majority, how can we trust them for to respect, when in the position of power, the rights of minority? ur problem is, u don't think high educated people can act as thugs. they actually, did act like thugs after the election, and they got, rightfully so, what they deserved for.


"mafia that I represent"! the problem with the reformists and reformists affiliated peoplelike u is this: labeling whoever brings the case and discredits ur deceptive claims. unfortunately our educated people are master of this game. no wonder our situation is what we see today.

Irani / November 5, 2010 5:03 PM

@ Irani,

How does it feel to support the acts of a tyrant government that is bound to be taken down by the people the it suppresses. It might not happen today, or next year. But as history teaches us; no tyrant government that prohibits free thinking and free speech, forces its subjects to adhere to radical ideas in order to maintain its power, can ever withstand the desire of the people for freedom. Don't you on some level, feel that your attempts of keeping this regime alive is useless.

The people who came to the streets in protest of the election were not a uniform group of people. There were highly educated and low educated people in the crowd. There were physicians and university professors as well as taxi drivers and simply people who were unemployed. There were people who were born in the 1990s and people who were born in the 1940s. There were people who prefered not wearing the hejab and people who would wear their "chador". The millions who protested against this tyrant regime came from a diverse socio-economic background. And after all lets not forget that they acted as "thugs" as you suggest. I cannot recall a single incident, video or eyewitness account that suggested that they acted as "thugs". On the other hand, the government resorted to killing, shooting, torturing, beating teenagers, beating women, arresting people without a cause, raping them in prisons, hanging them in the dark of the night and when all of that failed, they decided to run over people with trucks.

Now, I am not expecting you to back down from your position. But at least have the decency to admit that the government that you support has done such acts. At least of the courage to admit that such acts took place, but you support them because you believe that your ideas are worthy for human rights to be violated. Have the manhood to claim that your ends, however radical and idiotic, justify the means.

Anonymous / November 5, 2010 9:53 PM

@ Irani
You cracked me up. You said "well, I think, the gov. must change the conditions in universities so that students pay attention to their main job (as we see here in north American universities)"..etc

- Dont you dare draw a comparison between A regime like Iran and the US. Iranian regime that uses vigilante Bassegies to raid students dorms. Is that what you call "gov. must change the conditions in universities so that students pay attention to their main job "?

- Is the main job of government to single out outspoken students and deprive them from going to college?
http://banooyesabzirani.blogspot.com/2010/11/letter-by-majid-dori-from-exile.html

- Is the job of government to rape its dissidents in Kahrizak kind of places?

- Is the job of government to allocate 40% quote in the colleges around the country?

Of course you are gonna defend your regime and why not. Were not because your regime, you would not end up in Sharif? Where not because of people like you, your regime would not be around. Where not because of your regime, you would not be here in the U.S.
And now you are comparing Iranian regime treatment of Iranian student to what US government does to its student!?

O dear, i wish you enjoy your stay and i wish you go back to your home and report that things ARE not as they think it its. They probably will be surprise that dorms in the US are not attacked by vigilantes, Students dont get dropped off the roof in the middle of night, professors dont end up getting fired for their oppositions to status que, Folks like you dont get to go to good school simply because they served in Baseej.

Now you have a task on hand. Include it in your daily activities when coming back from mosque .

PersianTraveler / November 6, 2010 2:25 AM

@ PersianTraveler

fundamentally, there is no big difference between Iran's gov. and the U.S one (in many aspects, Iran's system is much closer to a democracy). here too, freedom is limited. for example, I can't question the validity of "holocaust" just for the sake of asking a question. and "discrimination" runs deep here. if u don't get it, there are basically two reasons. 1-by all account u have lost ur identity (if u ever had is questionable) and accepted the discrimination here in the west. or 2-u r a privileged person; getting funds from so called "human rights" or "democracy promotion" programs, basically a pawn in the hand of the western govs.(it's a shame).

if u r happy with the superficial freedom given to u in the west, live there and enjoy. what is ur problem then? and u know that u won't go above certain levels primarily bc of ur accents, ur country of birth, the color of ur skin, ethnicity....

no man, I wasn't part of Basig. however, if I ever was part of that group, I wouldn't mind claiming the pride. after all, they saved the country during the war (as well from the tyranny of upper middle class minority after last year's election). they were the ones who went on the mines while people like u were enjoying their life in the west and feeding intelligence data to bomb Iran's schools and infrastructures.

talk more and contradict yourself.at the time, I used to support the reformists (for more than a decade, fyi), i was a very open minded guy in the eyes of people like u even though I was totally disillusioned(like how u r right now). now that I question the validity of ur claims, bring up ur deception to the forefront, I am a backward person. stay in that mindset and enjoy.

and, I went to Sharif purely based on my grads.I understand that this bothers u, but it's a harsh reality that must live with. I was a star in one of the most prestigious universities in NA too.

well, I am a Muslim. there is nothing to hide about it. and I was born after the revolution. Islamic Republic is the main part of my identity.IR has defended us during the war and sanctions (the same sanctions people like u r trying hard to bite the population. shame on u). I might have criticisms of my own in how the country should be run. but it will be a dream for "racists", "charlatans", "opportunists"... like u to ever establish “bourgeois democracy” in Iran. we are the majority and you MUST accept the majority's rule before asking for ur rights to be respected. unless u do that, there won't be any mercy whatsoever for ur suffering.the gov. has the responsibility to crush undemocratic groups and individuals if they try to undermine, as they did last year, the rule of the majority.

in my opinion, majority, if not all, of Iran's human rights activists abroad are eternal "racists". their selective pick up of human rights cases speaks volumes. in their eyes, "lower income class" people don't exist. as if , they are not human at all, and they don't have any rights. they liaison to the west need not be explained.

Irani / November 6, 2010 4:32 AM

@Anonymous

I actually feel very good to support a just gov. it has the mandate from the majority to rule, and for that I am happy to see it acting the way it does. btw, when I see people like u, I just get more determined to support Islamic Republic of Iran more than ever so that people like u never get the chance to advance their evil agenda. I am actually proud of what IR has achieved in just mere 3 decades.

in fact, I am happy that I don't live under the tyranny of ur majesty! and the discriminators, who plunged the country's wealth, around him. IR is maturing by the time. hopefully in the decades to come she will figure out how to cover the shortcomings that currently exist. it's a work in progress.

yeah, u r right, they didn't act as thugs last year. they just burned mosques and public properties, attacked police and military bases...while getting pics by cellphone and proudly sending them to BBC, CNN. most importantly, they (our EDUCATED PEOPLE-shame) dismissed the pillar of any democracy: ELECTION

they were not from divers socio-economic background despite all the propaganda u people tried to spread. indeed, they were merely from "upper middle class" segment of the society.of course, this group has rights to pursue, but before that rights comes responsibility. the basic responsibility is to keep public order and RESPECT the rule and the norms of the majority.

I think, Iran's gov. last year did not act properly to those thugs. it should have acted in a very harsh manner so nobody ever dare to do the kind of the job I have just described above. by all accounts, Iran's gov. showed restrain. constitutionally, there is a right for protest, but that must be for justified cause, not for discrediting democratic values, and for sure not to endanger national security.

Irani / November 6, 2010 2:14 PM

@Irani, I wish you success and a speedy graduation. As for your comments, I think there is a saying in Islamic teachings "Do not look who said it, look what he said". You do have a nice touch in judging these individuals, whom you never met. It makes easier to disqualify what they said based on who they are. As for your argument about Holocaust, let's go deny it. What do you gain from denying murder of thousands of people: Poles, Russians, and Ukrainians including Jews? If you read the history you see the Holocaust happened because millions of people, mostly German, turned their back on things happening around themselves. Like you, they thought “it should reflect the mode of society” and “nothing is perfect”. True, nothing is perfect, but accepting imperfection in the name of imperfect, accepting violence because of violence is not imperfect. It is wrong.

Behzad / November 6, 2010 7:03 PM

@Irani, your statements are full of contradictions and make no sense in the context of the actual events fitting the role of an imitator who repeats the empty rhetoric of the government you so blindly support.

You so intelligently state (I am being ironic by the way):
“..insulted the vote of the solid majority at the first place. they, then acted as thugs in the streets (trite). I am sure, u know that rights comes with responsibility. and by all accounts, these people failed in fulfilling their basic responsibilities. no gov. would have any mercy for anarchists.”

Above is the clear description the thugs who stole the people’s votes, attacked their peaceful protests and acted like animals by beating, raping and killing men and women, young and old alike.

In Iran; the everyday civilians of the city were not anarchists. They were with sons and daughter and father and mothers who came to only VOICE their concerns hand in hand. Just like an Iranian pick nick. In return for their voice however they only got Bikes and bullets and knifes and tortures and rapings and jailings and killings from the true anarchists. Those who attacked the innocent young boys and girls in their dorm rooms in the middle of the night and beat them to death or worst .

And you say:
“…did act like thugs after the election, and they got, rightfully so, what they deserved for.”

Deserved? Are you serious? They deserved all of that for a mere voice?

Who acted like thugs? The girls who were beaten? Picked up and the raped? The 70 old men whose head was shattered for wearing a green wrist band?

What is the definition of a thug for you?
A woman who holds a sign in the street for his or her vote to be counted? A boy who wears green? A mother who holds her children’s hands and walks in the street to ask for justice for her son who was abducted brutally murdered? Or a brother and sister who cannot support their aging parents and want their voices to be heard, their votes counted, in society where there are jobs based on your level education and not your level ignorance and ass kissing?

A thug is someone who attacks unarmed civilians walking in the street with a stick, a knife, or a gun. He has no honor, no GHIRTAT. He can beat an old women or young man, they are all the same. He can crack open the head of an old man and he beat a young man to his death and rape a young women. He has many short comings in his life that he blames on others. He has not even an ounce of humility or humanity in him. He does not care for the truth or for the right vs. wrong. If you either with him or against him. He only cares for himself and is bound to Hell by God. You are him.
Do not try and compare Basij of the war who was representative of Iran population who sacrificed their lives for defense of her country, had heart, honor, were brave and there for all of us. Basijie vagheyee, Hemmat bood va Bakeri. The Basij of today is most importantly paid and brained washed before they are admitted to the Frat House. They have to get “initiated” per say and prove their worthiness; Like beating up a young kid for listening to music, or arresting random people on the street for what they are wearing, or standing on the side of the street with gun in their hands. It’s almost like what Nazi’s had before Hitler took power. Today’s Basij are there because they need a source of income and a place to belong because they have nothing else in life except failures in social and educational situations. The main get paid with however is one that is stained with the misery of the Iranian population and will come back to haunt them in this world or the next.

Ali / November 6, 2010 9:53 PM

@Ali

the answer for all ur bu**s*** moralization is simple my friend. those who failed in the EXAM of DEMOCRACY, like u, at the fist place have no credibility whatsoever to be the CHAMPIONS of HUMAN RIGHTS. they r human rights abusers themselves. they have shown that, if get the required power, they would violate the rights of human quite easily (especially the rights of the solid majority; i.e."lower income class" of the society--if at all our high educated and bright people see those in the periphery is seriously questionable). unfortunately, we r one the rare nation in the world who our educated people r proud of being racists.

Your, and people like u, problem is lack of PRINCIPLE. u want to use, opportunistically, whatever the tools, including HUMAN RIGHTS (let alone money flowing from the western govs.), to advance ur agenda (which inevitably would be ur GRIP TO POWER).

if there is a war of ideology, as u tried hard to prove, then be prepared for the war, its consequences and don't complain. it doesn't work that way.

the reaction of Iran's gov. was what those thugs in the streets chanting for annulment of the election wanted and fully deserved for (again). I had a better solution at the time. they, specially the ones feeding into the sensation of the youth from abroad, didn't want to listen bc they were confident to topple the system in short period of time, and didn't want to be distracted in their view. Most of them, instead, attacked me personally (that itself shows the true nature of these people u r trying hard to make them nice and innocent)for mere raising the question of: where is the proof of the fraud? most of them told me at the time, fraud allegation is an excuse (it was too obvious to see-opportunistically picked up for other agenda) and ridiculed me for not understanding the main plan. now that their shortsighted tactic failed and backfired, they (u and people like u) turned toward morality.The same tolerant people u r crying wolf were avoiding to say even hi to me in the streets, many of them left my facebook page (hahaha-I am sure, if they could, they would do many harms to me).END of the word.

Irani / November 6, 2010 11:51 PM

All evidence point to fraud. Ahmadinejad "numbers" showed he won the village of Karroubi by 70-20!!! He won Mosavis hometown and Azarbayejan by 60-30. At least when you CHEAT do it smartly. The coup masters thought that Iranian people are as blind as they are. We were at the polling places. We saw our brothers and sisters in the lines as well as our elders but there were no more ballots at 2 pm? It took until 8 to bring additional ballots when the old and young waited patiently. but then they ran out again and closed the doors. You are trying to say that 25 million people who vote for KHATAMI TWICE ended up being as 5 million? Do you think that the younger generation likes Ahmadinjead or Khamenei?


You were not at Sharif and this petty lie only shows you MOZDOOR character. You did not even read my statements. You are a paid stooge who sit at his computer and tries to misrepresent the truth.

The bottom line: Islamic Republic of Iran could lasted decades and even centuries by respecting the people's vote.

This cheating and brutality was not necessary. People respected the system and it's candidates. The brutality only showed that there is much to hide and too much too lose for the KHOFFASH in charge of Iranian economy.

Ali / November 7, 2010 5:03 AM

@ Irani

You really are funny. You talk like one of those very same Basejies that think they own the country.
You do not have any shame in distorting fact, making up your own, adding some extra lies between lines and justify your government's actions.

Get out of this country. No body needs another terrorist in this land.

PersianTraveler / November 7, 2010 8:52 AM

@Ali

http://www.iran2009presidentialelection.blogspot.com/

oh really? where were u? give me the ballot box number, the region, city...and we can check the data. my friend, when u lie, at least don't dismiss common sense. there where nearly 46,000 ballot boxes, and the results for every individual one is known. there where also 10-14 people responsible for each ballot box (ur fraud allegation is actually an insult to these people who were not gov. employees-they were mostly teachers, respected people from their region..). for a fraud of this scale, they should have changed the results in at least 10,000 boxes. nobody has ever claimed to count different results than what is reported by ministry of internal affairs. yes, ur family and friends might have voted for Mousavi (I respect their vote-almost 40% of my extended family members also voted for Mousavi and they accepted the final results-there is nothing wrong with voting for Mousavi), but they are not the whole population. I have randomly checked with those I knew where present at the ballot boxes. what they counted was matched with what the gov. reported. give me some of those boxes's numbers and we can check.


as for running out of ballots; this is a pretty cheap argument. first, u don't know whether those remaining ones would have voted for Mousavi or anybody else. secondly, nobody disputed 85% turnout, and in this context the results are consistent. I mean, the fact that where place with the shortage of ballots, doesn't give u a firm reason for fraud. u supposed to prove the fraud for the existing ballots (and yes those 15% who didn't voted might even be totally opposed to the system-so what? u can't say their vote was for Mousavi and there was a fraud as a result-they could simply show up and vote)


and yes, I am one of those who voted and campaigned twice for Khatami but turn to Ahmadinejad in the last election. and don't forget we educated people are more ideological than the less educated one. their vote can be changed easier (this is in fact all ur hope to make them enemy of IR!-"be gor khahid bord in arezo ra!"). and yes, most of the youth between 18-25 voted for Ahmadinejad (it's depressing for you of course). I know how u feel, but the majority of the youth detesting Ahmadinejad are between 25-35 years old, these were disillusioned during Khatami era. I used to be one of them not long ago.


well, ask Behzad whether I was at Sharif or not. why should I lie? as I said, I went to a univ. way better than Sharif later on (a uiv. which is one of the best 20 in the world), what is specific about Sharif? personally, I don't like Sharif and its selfish profs. I even didn't apply to be a prof. there as I don't like to be in that childish environment.


Islamic Republic of Iran will be there for foreseeable future. one big reason would be her defense for the democracy in 2009 election. in fact, the events of 2009 guaranteed IR for decades to come and I am sure u people understood this plain now. but it's too late and too painful for u. it bothers u of course. Ayyatollah Khomeini, the great says, "asabani bashid va az in asabaniat bemirid". I used to have many criticisms for the IR before the election. My love for the IR just grown by it's defense of the truth and it's bold actions to preserve the country from the tyranny of minority's rule.

Irani / November 7, 2010 3:41 PM

@PersianTraveler

"Get out of this country. No body needs another terrorist in this land."

first of all, I am not a terrorist. it's you that terrorizes the world opinion with ur deception and propaganda. I am in a defensive mood here.

secondly, I didn't know the pre-requisite for living in the west is to be an enemy of the Islamic Republic of Iran. I didn't know to live in presumably democratic system of west, one must accept blindly what their leaders and propagandists, like u, say.

I didn’t know that one of the conditions for living in the Western world is that you are not suppose to defend IR of Iran’s right actions.

is this the kind of democracy that you folks believe in?

Irani / November 7, 2010 3:50 PM

@ Irani,

I am just wondering, if you love the "democracy" in Iran and despise the "democracy" in the West, then why do you prefer living in the West. I am not saying where you should live; I am just questioning what is the motive behind living in a place that you do not like and feel threatened.

Anonymous / November 7, 2010 6:17 PM

@Ali

let me tell u something more depressing. out of nearly 5 million Iranians that live outside of the country, only 300,000 participated in the last election. and yet we had 85% turn out (more than 39 million participants). these Iranians abroad are also considered in eligible voters (46 million). this means, the turn out inside the country was more than 95%. Islamic Republic of Iran has more than 90% the confidence of the population despite all the propaganda spreaded by people u and the west over the past 3 decades (through numerous TV and radio shows).

I recommend u continue this path. it has certainly added more followers to the long list of followers of the Islamic Republic of Iran (I am one of them personally, in particular when I came here in the west and saw ur evil agenda).

Irani / November 7, 2010 6:17 PM

@Irani, Your comment about Iranian abroad does not make sense. The population who voted were relatively small in every location and they checked each other vote. So the truth begs to differ. By the way I read most of your comments; if we define propaganda as labeling and using general terms to create prejudice and to distort the reality then what you are doing is propaganda. No one burned any mosque in Tehran or anywhere else. No one attacked public buildings. Even government does not claim so. When you bring up this as your evidence it shows you are wrong. Be a bit more intelligent and use positive evidence. Saying you are write because your enemy is wrong, is not working here.

Behzad / November 7, 2010 10:09 PM

@Irani, And seriously I would like to know why you chose North America to live. Assuming your statement is right and you are in North America, then your motives are interesting. This is a very sincere question asked out of sheer academic curiosity. I appreciate it if you oblige me.

Behzad / November 7, 2010 10:12 PM

You are being Fox News.

You were never at Sharif.


All opposition party representatives reported denied access to voting locations for min observation. All Iranian cities reported Vote shortage for people. Many reported early voting location closures at 6-8pm when at previous elections when polls always stayed open until at least 12.

How do you explain Karroubi loosing his village by 70 to 20? In Iran you do not lose in your village even if everywhere else. Same is true with Mousavi?

How come all votes disappeared? There was no votes left to re-count not to mention the re-count not allowed.

Global locations reported over 80% turn outs and all reported early am Vote shortages and closed doors. Lebanese/Arabs where running the California and US locations where an estimated 1.5 million Iranians live and all locations ran out of ballots latest by early morning and people had to wait in hours until around 5 they started allowing people to vote. These NONE IRANIAN operations were also a first in both US and most of Europe.

No investigation even allowed? and all we have is an excel sheet, on a computer, where it can be edited???

The only reason you can possibly believe this is if you are a paid agent of the system and feel better this way. or maybe blind and deaf.

The coupe masters have shot themselves in the foot for thinking that the Iranian population has no heart. Not to mention the fact they would have been much better if they had respected people VOTES.

Ali / November 8, 2010 12:24 AM

On second thought I would like to apologize to Fox News. You are more like IRIB. At least some of the news on fox is based on actual events.

Ali / November 8, 2010 1:03 AM

@Irani (?)
You sure don't act like a graduate of Sharif University. Please refrain from tarnishing that world respected name.

I'm not contending validity of your claim, I'm just saying may be you are confusing an Alumni with a service staff.

Aryajet / November 8, 2010 2:38 AM

@Behzad

http://alef.ir/1388/content/view/63922/83/

btw, this guy (who i don't like at all), Sajjadi, was a staunch supporter of Karoubi (i hope u know Farsi. if not, u can just see the pics-btw, mathematically if u want to disprove a hypothesis, here ur claim of non-violence, u just need one example). the pics are numerous, i just put this one as an example.

living anywhere in this earth is not an hindrance for telling the truth, my friend. if u think, by living in NA, I should forget what is happening in Iran, or don't about the lies of our educated and !bright! people, then same question goes for u. so, it's better to stop this childish attitude and talk about the substances. i have never thought that should lie for where i currently live. what is the point in there? did i ask u where do u live?

as for why I am here. i came here purely for educational purposes. the only reason that i am hesitated to go back is economic issue as i don't really have anything there to survive.i thought, u would have understood by now, from ur intellect in spreading propaganda for the west, that i am from a low income family. how could i get here is not that difficult to answer though. ask a few educated people who go through application process and get the answer.

unlike most of u people, in particular Ali, who are proud of getting funds and spread propaganda for the west, I prefer to have a decent life with my own profession. i am an engineer and have enough expertise, in the world stage, to make the ends meet. don't really need special money, neither from the gov of Iran, nor from the west for that matter. don't have that kind of luxury life in mind either. didn't grow up that way.

this is ur known tactic. to label whoever questions the validity and intentions of ur actions.

tell me a bit about urself. who r u? how do u survive? who pays for ur living expenses? and for what reason?

if my enemy is obviously wrong and if it's a zero-some game, then logically i would be right, without even needing to bring the evidences. however, i do bring facts. i understand there is an ideological difference between me, u and Ali. so , i don't expect u to accept ur faults. the faults r the defaults of ur actions. they will be back to u, anyway, as there r:
تف سربالا

e.g. like ur election fraud allegation. u don't admit ur faults, that is understandable bc if u do so, the ones u r trying hard to deceive would be skeptical then. let alone not being able to get the required money. u will lose ur "raison d'être". it's different in my case bc i don't have followers here.

http://www.mardomak.org/news/excommunication_tragedy_ganji/

even Ganji doesn't approve what u guys do. and of course, he has received many labels by publishing these articles.

for one thing, i am thankful of what u guys did last year. i admit that i did not know people, from upper middle class segment of the society, very well. by all accounts, the election episode enlightens me who really these, look nice, people r: most of them, not all, RACISTS, OPPORTUNIST, CHARLATAN, LAIRS, PROPAGANDISTS.... They have shown who they r last year. i had a bit of sympathy for their cause before the election. after seeing who these people r, i totally lost my faith on them.

Irani / November 8, 2010 3:10 AM

@Aryajet

hahahaha. illusion. to be frank, the main problem with most of Sharif students is this: they think the rest should serve them bc they r people of higher intellect. always had this problem at Sharif.

i got a degree from there. if u don't want to accept that, it's fine. don't really need that degree anymore. no point mentioning that degree as i will be evaluated by the next one.

Irani / November 8, 2010 3:24 AM

@Irani, like you I am an engineer too, still studying though on an assistantship. I understand your economic concerns, but many other people, some from low income families, have returned and are very successful teaching in academia and getting projects from government. As for spreading lies and speaking of "facts". Well I am glad you mentioned Karma, because I do not want to have yours. If you are in this to find the truth, as is the calling of any true scientist, you should question all the claims, but if you are in here to prove one side right and other side wrong then it is useless. All and all you sound a bit childish yourself, standing up to a world of reality claiming yours is the only truth, because you said so.

Behzad / November 8, 2010 4:04 AM

@Irani (masalan/pretend Irani), why are you afraid to answer any of my questions? Is the truth too much to handle for you? You have no problem with lying, having no conscience or GHEIRAT.

Ali / November 8, 2010 4:37 AM

@ Ali

بابا رو نیست که، سنگ پا قزوین. عجب رویی داری تو.

just read the above comments. should be enough for the rest of ur life. i really don't have anything else to say for u. u r the one who wants to asleep, won't be awake by my call. it's not ur intention to see the truth. ur job seems to be requiring the actions u take here. so, i understand ur delicate situation. life is tough and money is the basic requirement. enjoy ur life with the money coming from the western govs. to spread these lies. u r not the only one. SHAME ON YOU TRAITOR.

Irani / November 8, 2010 6:34 AM

@ All of you
This answers of this supposedly "Irani" guy remind me of mumble jumbles of Ahmadi nejad when faced with serous questions.

he is not gonna answer any question since he has no real spine. He has not evidence aside from self delusional anecdotes.

Guys dont be surprised, after all He is one of Ahmadinejad students! What you expect other than Bull***.

Let him be in his world. An an enemy in between.

PersianTraveler / November 8, 2010 7:24 AM

Dear Irani,

Don't waste your time. The vast overwhelming majority of Iranians who are established in the United States are those who established themselves here before the revolution, and that was when a dollar was three toman and money was plentiful among Iranians and America was cheap to buy. They came here, bought franchises and multimillion dollar homes for penny on the dollar, and when the revolution happened, they packed their bag and simply left.

When they arrived here, their wealth protected them from experiencing life abroad under racism and double standards. They will never never never get what you are talking about. And you should see and hear some of their children. They are raised in America and they are so rude and without any culture you won't believe it.

Like you, I am one of those penniless Iranians who ended up here and got the full brunt of living in America - without being able to hide behind wealth to protect me. Iranians here recognize that I am a poor Iranian judging by my appearance. Sometimes, when I say Hi to them, they won't even reply and look at me as if telling me: "Wait! How dare you even speak to me?" Aren't you glad that Iranians like this don't live in our beloved Iran anymore?

It's all quite complicated. But, my real reason to post here is this. Much, if not all, of what you say about life in America is the truth. The reason I personally have not yet returned to Iran is because the Iranian government has KILLED all the HOPE for Iranians. They have done a great job of building the arm forces so that to kick the ass of anyone who attacks it in the future, but Iran is not just made of Armed Forces. What about the ordinary Iranians who are graduating from Iranian Universities? The government should set up job programs to absorb the talent that is coming out of the universities every year. This is the key issue in Iran and the big difference between Iran and the United States. Why someone with so much brain as you, a graduate of Sharif University, should have to live and work outside of Iran? The Iranian government should realize that if it doesn't bring HOPE back for millions of Iranian youth, it WILL be toppled. Every time I speak with relatives and my parents back in Iran, they all tell me HOPE is dead for the vast majority of the youth in Iran. The Iranian youth have lost all HOPE. Why should the richest country on earth create this kind of conditions for its youth? Of course, American sponsroed sanctions have something to do with it, but with good government, the situation could be fixed and HOPE can be restored to the beloved Iranian youth who live in Iran.

ChooChoo / November 8, 2010 9:42 PM

ChooChoo

Please do not generalize. The generation who came here after the revolution also does not have penny to their names. Most of us came without our families in our late teens and early 20s and had to work 2-3 jobs and go to school at the same time. I can name hundreds of friends in their early 20s to late 30s who are struggling to get by as students or maybe have a decent job based on their education and hard work. None of us are rich but at least have jobs based on our talents. Also our votes count here and we don’t end up in prison to die a miserable death for commenting on Tehran Bureau or anywhere else for that matter. We all grew up in Iran but had to leave since as you correctly point out there are no opportunities or hope for University graduates. Opportunities are only for paid thugs who have no values like this pretend Irani who most definitely has never been at Sharif (just read his posts!) and is obviously a paid government stooge living here courtesy of the government he so blindly supports.

We would happily go back and work in Iran if there were ANY jobs available based on your qualifications and not ass kissing, if you were not tortured and raped for having an opinion, and if the system was not a SHAM. These VOTES were stolen only so that KHOFFASH in charge of sucking the blood of Iranian wealth can continue doing so without interruption. All the whilst our youth go to waste year after year. If they are lucky enough that they can leave the country, they will most definitely do so and are almost always successful outside of Iran. However, if not they either become involved in drugs (since there are no other activities allowed or available and Iran has the highest addiction rates in the world) or they sit at home with depression; without even a remote chance of having a normal future. Because we have Mozdoors like this pretend Irani who’s one sentence does relate to the next, who are ok with their brothers and sisters being tortured and killed for a mere vote just so that they can keep getting paid.

Ali / November 8, 2010 10:53 PM

This regime devours her brightest children with complete disregard. More student arrests over the weekend:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703957804575602733107320948.html

Ali / November 9, 2010 5:23 AM

@ Irani,

You are actually very funny and may I say greedy. So you are willing to stay in the West, where you claim to be descriminated, just to make a buck? You claim that the government of Iran is perfect and that of the West is evil; and yet you are willing to stay in a society that you despise so much because of economic issues?

p.s. I am willing to provide you with a free flight to go back to Iran. Not that I don't want you in the West but rather because I don't want to see you unhappy in an evil society that hinders your growth and prevents you from expressing your opinions. I want to see you happy and living under the regime that you consider to be the best government in the history of mankind.

Anonymous / November 9, 2010 10:08 PM