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August 27th, 2004
William Sloane Coffin

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KIM LAWTON, guest anchor: Now, the legacy of a veteran activist for peace. The growing faith-based mobilization against the war in Iraq is reminiscent of religious action against the Vietnam War. One key leader in that effort was the late Reverend William Sloane Coffin (1924-2006).

As chaplain of Yale University in the ’60s and ’70s, Coffin be came one of the best known — and most controversial — figures not only against the war, but also in the civil rights movement and the campaign for a freeze on nuclear weapons. Throughout his life, Coffin preached that social justice was central to Christianity. He died last year at the age of 81. Bob Abernethy interviewed Coffin in 2004.

“Justice is at the heart of religious faith.”

BOB ABERNETHY: Toward the end of his life, in the summer of 2004, I interviewed Coffin for this program.Coffin had retired to the little town of Strafford, Vermont, where he lived on the village green with his wife, Randy, and their terrier, Rosie. Coffin was 80 years old then.

Two strokes had slurred his speech. He couldn’t walk much, and had had to give up playing the piano, of which he had been a master. But his commitments and beliefs were as strong as ever.

The Reverend WILLIAM SLOANE COFFIN: I thank God for all the young men and women here who are going to refuse registration.

ABERNETHY: Today, Coffin has retired to the little town of Strafford, Vermont, where he lives on the village green with his wife, Randy, and their terrier, Rosie.

Coffin is 80 years old now. Two strokes have slurred his speech. He cannot walk much and has had to give up playing the piano, of which he was a master. But his commitments and beliefs are as strong as ever.

The Rev. COFFIN: What this country needs, what I think God wants us to do, is not practice piecemeal charity but engage in wholesale justice. Justice is at the heart of religious faith. When we see Christ empowering the poor, scorning the powerful, healing the world’s hurts, we are seeing transparently the power of God at work.

God is not too hard to believe in. God is too good to believe in, we being such strangers to such goodness. The love of God is to me absolutely overwhelming. It’s clear to me, two things: that almost every square inch of the Earth’s surface is soaked with the tears and blood of the innocent, and it’s not God’s doing. It’s our doing. That’s human malpractice. Don’t chalk it up to God. Every time people say, when they see the innocent suffering, every time they lift their eyes to heaven and say, “God, how could you let this happen?” it’s well to remember that exactly at that moment God is asking exactly the same question of us: “How could you let this happen?” So you have to take responsibility. If you back off from every little controversy in your life you’re not alive, and what’s more, you’re boring.

“Only God has the right to destroy all life on the planet.”

ABERNETHY: I asked Coffin to think back on the civil rights and other protest movements he helped lead.

The Rev. COFFIN: I think the greatest pleasure was being with black civil rights leaders and followers, because they were so alive. You can be more alive in pain than in complacency.

The antiwar movement split the nation in a more acute, painful way. I think, in retrospect, just about everybody agrees it was a terrible, terribly misconceived war.

ABERNETHY: Coffin became the leader of the U.S. campaign against nuclear weapons.

The Rev. COFFIN: Only God has the right to destroy all life on the planet. All we have is the power. We haven’t the authority. Therefore to make, to threaten to use nuclear weapons must be an abomination in the sight of God.

ABERNETHY: Are you a pacifist?

The Rev. COFFIN: Fifty-one/forty-nine. I’m a nuclear pacifist, that’s for sure. But there is an irremediable stubbornness about evil. We have to recognize it, including our own complicity in it. We have to constrain it, but I doubt we will ever eradicate it. To say, “Grant us peace in our time, O Lord” — God must say, “Oh, come off it! What are you going to do for peace, for heaven’s sake?” It’s not enough to pray for it. You have to think for it, you have to suffer for it, and you have to endure a lot for it. So don’t just pray about it.

ABERNETHY: Coffin rails at neglect of the poor and U.S. policies in Iraq. Above all, he condemns what he sees as the country’s self-righteousness.

ABERNETHY: As he conducts what he calls his lover’s quarrel with his country, Coffin acknowledges that he has to be careful not to become self-righteous himself — perhaps especially when he is honored, as he is often. Last year Union Theological Seminary in New York gave him its highest medal.

Union Theological Seminary in New York gave Coffin its highest medal.

Meanwhile, a collection of Coffin’s writing, CREDO, is selling well and, encouraged by that, he is at work on a new book he calls LETTERS TO A YOUNG DOUBTER — a college freshman.

The Rev. COFFIN: And the rule is, he won’t treat me as if I were too old if I won’t treat him as if he were too young.

ABERNETHY: I spoke with Coffin about growing old.

The Rev. COFFIN: I’d just as soon live a little bit longer. But when you are 80, you can’t complain. Joy in this world comes from self-fulfillment. Joy is a more profound experience than mere happiness. When you feel a sense of undeserved integrity because you think you’re in the right fight — against segregation, against the war in Vietnam, against the stupid and cruel discrimination against gays and lesbians — these are the right fights, I feel very deeply. And the sense of self-fulfillment which comes from being in the right fight is a wonderful thing.

I remain hopeful. The opposite of hope is despair — not pessimism, despair. And as a very convinced Christian, I say to myself, “Come on, Coffin. If Christ never allowed his soul to be cornered with despair, and his was the greatest miscarriage of justice maybe in the world, who the hell am I to say I’m going to despair a bit?

When you get older, friendship obviously runs deeper and deeper. And, I would add, nature gets more interesting the nearer you get to joining it, and also more beautiful. I can sit on the front porch here and watch the sun coming in through the maple leaves. You know, God is good.

ABERNETHY: In our conversation, Coffin quoted words he liked, words he attributed to Irenaeus, an early church father: “The glory of God is a human being fully alive.” Bill Coffin was such a man.

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Boston Globe: "A genius of a man, he believed in hope" by James Carroll, April 24, 2006

Seattle Post Intelligencer: "Former university chaplain known for peace activism dies" by David Gram, AP, April 13, 2006

"Reflections of a firebrand" by Elizabeth Mehren, Los Angeles Times, March 18, 2005

Out in front: The radical witness of William Sloane Coffin" by Harvey Cox, Christian Century, June 29, 2004

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LETTERS TO A YOUNG DOUBTER

CREDO

THE HEART IS A LITTLE TO THE LEFT: ESSAYS ON PUBLIC MORALITY

A PASSION FOR THE POSSIBLE: A MESSAGE TO U.S. CHURCHES

LIVING THE TRUTH IN A WORLD OF ILLUSIONS

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ONCE TO EVERY MAN: A MEMOIR

THE COLLECTED SERMONS OF WILLIAM SLOANE COFFIN: THE RIVERSIDE YEARS

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