SAM SALLY: Sorry I’ve lost my voice but I want you to know that things are really tough here and I don’t have any way to provide for my kiddos. And things are hard… And I need your support now more than I need it ever right now. We just need to get out of here, we need to get out of here quick.
RECORDING: Welcome to the Consulate section of the U.S. embassy in Baghdad, Iraq. If you are calling about an emergency such as death, serious injury, abduction, or imminent threat to safety related to a U.S. citizen, please dial 4100.
LORI SALLY: Hi, um I’m calling because basically my sister is in Syria, and she just had a baby and she’s in the middle of a warzone and I don’t know what to do. Obviously there’s no embassy in Syria…
JOSH BAKER: Sam and her kids may have escaped ISIS, but they’re still in Syria. They’re being held in a camp with thousands of women and children who were the so-called caliphate.
Sam’s sister Lori has been calling everyone she can to find a way to get the family home — including the U.S. embassy in Iraq.
LORI: My sister is an American citizen. She is in the middle of a war zone in Syria so we need to get her out of there.
BAKER: After a moment of silence, a man at the other end of the phone asks, ‘What’s your question ma’am?’
LORI: She can’t leave, that’s the problem, she’s being held. Do you have any advice you can give to me? Who can I call? What can I do?
BAKER: He asks Lori to email the embassy.
LORI: Yeah, I’ve done that.
BAKER: While Lori’s still making frantic calls, I'm in England preparing for my best mate’s wedding. And that’s when I get the call telling me the U.S. government wants to arrest Sam for lying to an FBI agent.
But then my phone buzzes again. This time it’s a message in an encrypted app. It’s from someone who is working in Syria, whose identity I need to to protect. It says Sam and the kids have been taken to a clinic for a health check — because they need to be fit to travel.
Days later I am told they’re picked up by American special forces and flown out of Syria. On the 24th of July 2018, a military transport plane lands in Indiana. After more than two and a half years with ISIS, and more than eight months in Kurdish detention… suddenly, Sam, Matthew and his younger siblings are back in America. Just like that. The children are taken into the care of Child Protective Services. Sam is arrested and driven to jail.
I’m Josh Baker and from BBC Panorama and Frontline PBS, this is “I’m Not A Monster.”
Episode 7: “On American soil”
BAKER: I’ve just sent her a message saying hey it’s Josh I’m here looking forward to talking to you, will it just start question mark.
BAKER: It’s August 2018, five months since I interviewed Sam in Syria.
BAKER: Definitely recording?
WOMAN: Yep.
BAKER: Great and I’m going to hit record here. Five seconds.
BAKER: I’m staring at my laptop, waiting for a video call to start.
SAM: Can you hear me?
BAKER: Hello…
SAM: Hey…
BAKER: Hold on I can hear you. I’m just trying to see if I can see you. Where are you?
BAKER: Sam appears on my screen, she’s wearing a red jumpsuit, standard issue at Porter County Jail.
BAKER: How are you?
SAM: Oh I’m okay considering. Constantly worried about my kiddos but that’s I guess that’s to be expected.
BAKER: Yeah?
SAM: Yeah. It’s not too bad here, just happy to be on American soil.
BAKER: I was going to say, what’s it like being back in America?
SAM: Well I don’t know yet, I’m still behind bars. [laughs]
BAKER: And have you been told anything about when you might be tried or anything like that?
SAM: No, not really... I can’t talk about it a whole lot but yeah.
BAKER: If I’d been asked to come up with all the possible crimes that Sam could have wound up in jail for, lying to an FBI agent wouldn't have made the list. It seems Sam had a relationship with the FBI that had nothing to do with her time in Syria, but centred around her husband Moussa’s family’s business in America.
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ANDRIA: The FBI was a frequent visitor and there was a local police detective that would come in.
BAKER: Sam’s friend Andria worked in the warehouse.
ANDRIA: I recall Homeland Security at one point came in. It was kind of like a scene out of a movie to be honest. It was a whole bunch of people pulling up in dark sedans, getting out in black suits and they just came barging into the warehouse asking for management.
BAKER: Another good friend of Sam’s, Cassie, worked there too.
CASSIE: Oh we’ve had government agents coming in since I started in 2011.
BAKER: What agencies?
CASSIE: We’ve had Homeland security come in. We’ve had FBI come in, we’ve had local detectives come in…
BAKER: I spoke to one local police officer involved, who asks not to be identified. The officer told me that dealing with the business consumed a lot of their time, as customers regularly tried to ship items bought on stolen credit cards.
BAKER: What about the FBI? What would they do when they came to the warehouse?
CASSIE: Well Sam was working with the FBI as an informant.
BAKER: What do you mean?
CASSIE: She would meet up with a couple of FBI agents every few months maybe about things that are being shipped out of the warehouse.
BAKER: So, somebody told me that you were an FBI informant while you were with Viabox, is that true?
SAM: It’s true.
BAKER: So you were an FBI informant?
SAM: Right.
BAKER: And what were you doing?
SAM: I’m not sure how much I can go into that but I’ll give you the basics. Basically the FBI would contact me with a name and a country and so I would give them information on what they were shipping back and forth. I would give them serial numbers on cell phones, take pictures of things for them to see. Anything that they wanted, anything.
BAKER: So they were monitoring what? Electronic devices that you guys were shipping?
SAM: Not not only that but anything that would seem suspicious — military gear, something as simple as brass knuckles, money counting machines… Anything that would seem suspicious that would have anything to do with military terrorism, anything like this.
BAKER: So they would contact you and ask you to look at the device or the package that was being shipped?
SAM: Right.
BAKER: And what would they ask you to do?
SAM: I had to put together these reports with their name, IP addresses from where they were making these payments, how much were the payments, how often, what was the account under the payment name. I had to put all of this together in reports and then meet up with them at their request.
BAKER: Where did they meet you?
SAM: I really don’t know how much I can say.
BAKER: So, the woman who travelled halfway across the world to Syria and lived in the Islamic State group’s caliphate, says that before she left the U.S., she was helping the FBI tackle terrorism for more than two years. When I ask the FBI about this, it won't comment.
But in court documents, the prosecution says Sam’s role had nothing to do with terrorism. They do confirm though that she was a ‘confidential human source’ — an informant.
The papers reveal that Sam spoke to the FBI just days before she and her family left the U.S. in March 2015. And that’s when she‘s accused of telling the lie that led to her being put in jail. The full story about what she was doing doesn't appear in these court documents though — because it’s classified.
I want to piece together what else was going on in Sam’s life before she left. And I'm still trying to figure how much of what she told me in Syria is true.
I call Jason Elhassani, another one of Moussa’s brothers. He still lives in the states. And Jason is easy to find because he’s Lori’s ex-husband. As strange as it may sound — the two sisters were married to two brothers — Sam to Moussa, Lori to Jason.
Persuading Jason to meet isn’t so easy and when he does finally agree, he insists on no recording equipment and no phones. We talk off the record and he says he’ll think about an interview.
As he stands up to go, a weird noise comes out of his pocket. And then a worried look appears on his face. He’s accidentally hit play on a recorder hidden inside his jeans. He’s been taping me — and I don’t know why. And before I can ask, he leaves.
BAKER: Hello.
JASON ELHASSANI: Hello.
BAKER: So obviously you’ll sit here.
JASON: Ok.
BAKER: And did you want to set up your video camera?
JASON: Yes please.
BAKER: A few days after the meeting, Jason agrees to an interview. I book a meeting room at a hotel and this time he arrives with a camera and a microphone.
BAKER: Are you going to record sound as well?
JASON: Yes.
BAKER: That’s fine. I don’t mind. Can I just ask what has made you want to record everything?
JASON: Well because you are recording me so I am recording you. Fair is fair.
BAKER: Totally fine. I don’t mind. If it makes you feel more comfortable, you record away… Ok, when do you think Moussa and Abdelhadi became interested in ISIS.
JASON: I believe in the summer of 2014, I believe. Because my brother Del came from Minnesota and stayed with my brother Moussa.
BAKER: Del is what Jason calls Abdelhadi, another one of his brothers, who travelled to Syria with Sam and her family.
JASON: He brought some videos with him that they were watching. I would visit them and watch with them and then I’d go and then, so they had more time together by themselves and...
BAKER: What kind of videos were these?
JASON: It was some ISIS propaganda videos.
BAKER: What sort of things would go on in the videos?
JASON: I mean typical, typical preaching, ISIS propaganda preaching and sometimes violent, some violence in the videos.
BAKER: Were these videos ever depicting executions?
JASON: Yes, they were.
BAKER: So in 2014, your brothers were watching ISIS execution videos at home in America?
JASON: Sometimes I, when I visit, sometimes they showed me some videos, yes. For me personally I mean I was against the killing.
BAKER: And did Moussa agree with that?
JASON: No he was on the sideline at the time. Eventually he started agreeing more and more with my brother Del.
BAKER: Abdelhadi is a supporter of ISIS it would appear at that point, is that fair?
JASON: Yeah, yes.
BAKER: So Abdelhadi is supporting ISIS in 2014. He’s trying to convince Moussa to join ISIS. Did you report them to the authorities?
JASON: No.
BAKER: Why not?
JASON: I didn’t think anything of it at the time.
BAKER: But you’re, you’ve just told me that your brother was supporting a group that was cutting people’s heads off, has committed things like rape, mass killing and you knew that at that point your brother was part of that or wanted to be part of that.
JASON: I didn’t think anything of it. I had no idea that they were planning on joining them at all and it was just some videos and my brother Del you know he was basically just arguing so with my with my brother Moussa and I, you know I tell that I’m against the idea at the time and I would just leave and they’d continue watch more videos and...
BAKER: Did you have any idea that they were going to join ISIS?
JASON: No.
BAKER: I mean you must have known, you’re their brother, you spent a lot of time with them — you really didn’t know? Do you see why a lot of people might find that hard to believe though?
JASON: Which people?
BAKER: Well the public might find that hard to believe.
JASON: Are you the public?
BAKER: I’m a journalist. Is that your… Oh it’s your camera isn’t it.
JASON: Yeah, it’s running out of battery.
BAKER: So according to Jason the summer of 2014 was when Moussa started to be radicalized — indoctrinated by his brother Abdelhadi into ISIS’s way of thinking.
JASON: They tried to keep everything under a low profile, they were becoming they were very, becoming very paranoid.
BAKER: What do you mean by that?
JASON: Paranoid… Because my brother Del... he was learning how to encrypt his messages and use a Tor browser and he taught my brother Moussa how to do it.
BAKER: Were you not suspicious given that you knew they had been watching ISIS propaganda, given that you knew that they were encrypting files and using secure web browsers. Were you not suspicious?
JASON: I had suspicions, I’m not gonna lie, but when my brother Moussa left, he left with his kids so I had no idea, couldn’t imagine he would have taken them there. It was unimaginable what they did.
BAKER: What do you think drew Moussa and Abdelhadi to the Islamic State?
JASON: To this day we all in our family ask why, why they left…. Maybe they were promised some amount of money or maybe they’re promised with heaven to be honest I don’t know what really drove them to go there.
BAKER: Why do you think Sam wanted to go there?
JASON: I don’t know.
BAKER: Did she want to go there?
JASON: To be honest I don’t know.
BAKER: When she left, do you think she knew she was going to ISIS?
JASON: No I don’t think so.
BAKER: With Sam in jail, I can call her almost any time I have a question.
BAKER: Look, we’ve been told quite clearly that Moussa, Abdelhadi and Jason were watching ISIS videos in your house. Did you know that was happening?
SAM: No but it’s possible. I mean, when they did their thing most of the time I wasn’t around. I didn’t really hang out with them you know, if I was serving dinner or something then I would have been there but if they were all there in the house I probably would have left, I probably would have gone shopping or something.
BAKER: Because it… It would seem odd and I think a lot of people would find it hard to believe that they were watching videos in your house and you didn’t know.
SAM: When you have three brothers together and I’m the only woman I wouldn’t have stuck around.
BAKER: There’s no way of knowing for sure if Sam knew what the brothers were watching. But she doesn’t really give me a straight answer. Why not just say, ‘No, I had no idea’?
There’s a friend of Sam’s in Indiana who I hope will talk to me.
BAKER: Hi there.
JENNY HALL: Hi.
BAKER: I’m wondering if you can help me.
JENNY: Maybe.
BAKER: My name is Josh — I’m looking for somebody called Jenny.
JENNY: Uh, I’m Jenny.
BAKER: Hello, this is going to be very, very strange for you, so I’m from the BBC and PBS FRONTLINE.
JENNY: Alright, yeah…
BAKER: Jenny also worked with Sam at the shipping company. They became friends and ended up spending a lot of time together. She reminds of Sam a little — confident, engaging.
BAKER: And the reason I wanted to find you is about Samantha —
JENNY: Elhassani.
BAKER: Elhassani.
JENNY: Ok.
BAKER: And I was wondering if I might be able to have a chat with you and explain like who I am and what’s going on basically.
JENNY: Yeah, come on in.
BAKER: Are you sure?
JENNY: Yeah.
BAKER: So basically in 2017, around about February 2017 I found out that Sam and the kids were in Syria…
BAKER: I give Jenny a condensed version of my search for Sam and everything that’s happened.
JENNY: All I had known in the beginning was that, I mean they were taking trips and then I just remember they were selling the cars. I drive by the house one day, the house is up for sale. I didn’t have a clue, and the FBI came to my house asking me questions.
BAKER: When was that? Around what time?
JENNY: Yeah, yeah, this was like before I had known anything, and I just remember, like I was trying to be really helpful because I didn’t know if she was okay and I was never meaning to like out anything or, I don’t know…
BAKER: Jenny says she told the FBI about a trip she and another friend took with Sam.
JENNY: Because she had gotten me like these facial packages in Chicago and it was like a four part thing and it was like the second time we had went.
BAKER: Oh, so you guys were going over for like spa treatments and…
JENNY: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we stopped at this little coffee shop and she had confided in us that Moussa was wanting to go… I think she said like join the holy war or something like that.
BAKER: What did she say exactly?
JENNY: We were just all like talking about, you know, how the family’s doing, how we’re all doing, you know, whatever and she was like, you know, ‘I just, you know, Mousa’s been telling me that he’s, he feels like Allah’s calling him and…
MAN: Oh sorry, I’m sorry…
BAKER: Of all the moments to unwrap a parcel, Jenny’s boyfriend has picked this one.
BAKER: So what you’re saying is you and Sam went to Chicago for like a spa day, spa treatment.
JENNY: Uh huh.
BAKER: And she confided in you that Moussa wanted to join ISIS?
JENNY: Right.
BAKER: Did she seem like she was up for that or was she against it?
JENNY: I think it just, it just was like a crazy idea that he had said or something, like she was just like, ‘He’s so crazy,’ like…
BAKER: ‘He wants to do this?’
JENNY: Yeah and you know, and here’s this blonde haired, blue eyed girl with frickin tattoos on her neck like going to Syria, like come on. She had to have known like, I don’t know, I don’t know, I don’t know, I’m so torn with it, I’m just so torn with it, I don’t know. I’ve thought like maybe she felt like she had to for the kids. I’ve seen like a really manipulative side of Sam.
BAKER: Right…
JENNY: That just kind of… She’ll do and say whatever she needs to get her way basically.
BAKER: Weeks after Sam is brought back to America, the U.S. government brings new charges against her. It’s not uncommon for what Sam’s was first charged with — making false statements to an FBI agent — to be used as a kind of holding charge — essentially a way to keep someone in jail while a stronger case is built against them. Now Sam is accused of providing material support for terrorism — helping to transport cash, gold and tactical gear to ISIS. They also say she was part of a conspiracy to help her husband and brother-in-law join the group.
BAKER: Sam.
SAM: Oh hello there, how are you?
BAKER: So I’ll just tell you now, we’re obviously recording, so you are aware and then I’m going to interview you. And you’re happy with that, just to check?
SAM: Yeah, yeah. I’m ok.
BAKER: Did you provide material support for terrorism?
SAM: No I don’t believe I did.
BAKER: Did you provide funding for terrorism?
SAM: Absolutely not….
BAKER: Did you provide tactical gear?
SAM: No absolutely not.
BAKER: Did you support Moussa and Abdelhadi to join ISIS?
SAM: Not to support them, no.
BAKER: What do you mean by that?
SAM: Not to — I, I didn’t support them to join them, no. Did I support my husband in a stupid ventures? Yes. But had I known what he was doing, I would not have supported it.
BAKER: So what did you support Moussa in doing?
SAM: Trying to get his life cleaned up, trying to get closer with his parents, trying to make our relationship better... in going to Morocco.
BAKER: Morocco. Since the first time we spoke in Syria, Sam has insisted she thought she was going to Morocco not to what ISIS called its caliphate. The only reason she ended up anywhere near Syria, she says, was because Moussa had bought cheap flights that included a layover in Turkey, which borders Syria. I want to know what she’d told Matthew’s father — Juan.
BAKER: Did you ever hear about Sam starting a new life in Morocco?
JUAN: No. The only trip that I’m aware of that was ever out of the country was to Paris to visit Moussa’s dying mother.
BAKER: And, and how do you know about that?
JUAN: That’s what Sam told me, that she was taking Matthew to go do.
BAKER: Did she have to seek permission?
JUAN: Yes, and I signed a passport for Matthew. Just because her and I weren’t getting along, doesn’t mean that my son shouldn’t be allowed to travel and go see other countries.
BAKER: Juan says that Sam never told him that she wanted to take their son to live in Morocco. So what did she tell her friends?
CASSIE: She said that they were going on a family vacation to visit the parents and get Moussa’s paperwork all settled so that he could come back home and that they would be home. So yeah she never told me that they were moving there.
BAKER: Cassie says Sam had told her about Morocco. But not that the family were moving there, just that Moussa’s U.S. visa had expired, so they needed to travel there to sort it out. And when I talk to Andria — someone who’d described Sam as an ‘amazing, dear, incredible friend’ — I get another story all together.
ANDRIA: She didn’t say anything to me about going to Morocco, or that they had plans to go to Morocco.
BAKER: Did she ever tell you she was going to leave America?
ANDRIA: She mentioned that her and Moussa and the kids were going to Hong Kong for what she said was a business opportunity.
BAKER: So they were going to Hong Kong but they weren’t going to Morocco?
ANDRIA: She never mentioned going to Morocco to me.
PRISON NOTICE: Your video visit is about to begin. This video call may be monitored and recorded. It may be shared with law enforcement and…
BAKER: As I understand it you were basically thinking you were emigrating to Morocco. The problem that I’ve got is that there are a few people who, and maybe they’re wrong or maybe you haven’t been completely honest with them. You know one person thought you were going to Hong Kong, another person thought you were just going to Morocco for a month. Somebody else thought you were going to France and I was just wondering why there might be these inconsistencies in your story.
SAM: The inconsistencies come from, my, myself, myself not really knowing. As far as like a time frame it would... The funny thing is I know each one of these inconsistencies where they’re coming from and I could give you a reason for each one but I don’t think I can talk about it.
BAKER: Did you ever go to France?
SAM: France? No, I did not go to France. The reason, this France issue is coming from my son’s father. So I knew that if I told him I was trying to get the passport to go to Morocco that he would absolutely say no because he was completely against my husband and my husband’s family. So I did lie to him and tell him that I was planning to go to France because I thought he would be more apt to do what I wanted him to do. To sign the papers to get the passport.
BAKER: So, but you didn’t then go to France?
SAM: No, I didn’t go to France.
BAKER: When did you first become aware that either Moussa or Abdelhadi might want to join ISIS?
SAM: I can’t answer that.
BAKER: Either Sam doesn’t want to answer or her lawyers have advised her not to. All our conversations are recorded and can be listened to by law enforcement. Anything she tells me could be used against her.
I go for a beer with a contact who has access to details about Sam’s case that aren't public. I ask if there is any truth about the trip to Hong Kong. I find out it wasn’t just one trip — it was three. All in the months before Sam ended up in Syria. She took thousands and thousands of dollars in cash and gold and stored it in safety deposit boxes there.
BAKER: So my next question is — why did you travel to Hong Kong?
SAM: Um, because... I don't even know if I can answer this Josh.
BAKER: Why do you worry you can’t answer it?
SAM: Because it's a significant part of the case that I’m working on right now… It was supposed to be a tax evasion… My husband said he had done some research on taking cash or assets into Morocco from America that it would be complicated.
BAKER: Okay. Did it not seem odd to you though? I mean you can take the cash straight to Morocco, you can bank transfer it, you can maybe send it to one of the family members like Moussa’s father?
SAM: Right, this is the part I can’t really get into but I understand what you’re saying. The simple fact is that he was very paranoid, and if you look at anything he ever did in his past, you would always find strange, irregular, irregularities that he would go through because of his paranoia. So this was something I was completely accustomed to, it was something I tried to talk him out of, but he was insistent.
BAKER: And what exactly was that cash for?
SAM: For buying a house in Morocco.
BAKER: Eventually I get hold of court documents and can see that the FBI says that Sam told one of their agents she was traveling to Morocco for three months... for knee surgery. It was going to be performed by her father-in-law. But Moussa’s dad is not a doctor. He’s actually an engineer and Sam didn’t go to Morocco.
This is what got Sam arrested in the first place — for lying to an FBI agent. The documents also provide more detail about her trips to Hong Kong. And they confirm what my contact told me about Sam transporting cash and gold — it was $30,000 worth. They also say that on her final trip on the 22nd of March 2015, she flew with Moussa, Matthew and his younger sister.
A few days later they were scheduled to fly home. But they never boarded the flight. In Hong Kong, prosecutors say Sam collected tactical gear. This included a rifle scope, and not just any scope, the ‘tactical C.Q.B. combo rifle scope with green laser and mini red dot.’ Not exactly something you need for knee surgery or for starting a new life in Morocco.
They also say Sam also picked up image stabilized binoculars — you can see Matthew holding a similar pair in the ISIS propaganda video where he was forced to threaten President Trump.
MATTHEW: My name is Yusuf and I’m 10 years old. Two years ago I made hijar from America, the land of kufar, to the Islamic State…
BAKER: Moussa’s brother Abdelhadi joined the family in Hong Kong, and then they all flew onto Turkey, where Sam says she was tricked across the border into Syria. But around this time Sam’s friend Cassie was still receiving Facebook messages from Sam’s account.
I’ve got a copy of these messages. On the 13th of April 2015, when Sam and the children would have been about to cross into Syria, or would’ve already been there, Cassie sent a message to Sam asking, ‘How’s Morocco, better than your last visit?’ Then Sam, or someone using her account, replied, ‘Yes, much better. We’re relaxing and having a good time here.’
BAKER: There are… So I’ve seen Facebook messages between you and Cassie around April 13th, 2015. You are telling her that you are in Morocco but as far as I’m aware, you never made it to Morocco. Why is that?
SAM: I don’t know, I don’t know. At that date I don’t know whether I had already been in Syria. I don’t know.
BAKER: So you do think you were in Syria by April 13th, 14th?
BAKER: At first I think the video screen has frozen, but then I realize Sam is just lost for words.
SAM: Yeah possibly.
BAKER: Okay, so did you write those messages?
SAM: I don’t know because I don’t know, I would have to go back through and look at it, I don’t know.
BAKER: So far Sam has had an explanation for everything I put to her. This is the first time I’ve seen her genuinely stuck for an answer.
BAKER: Do you think there’s anything that you should be held accountable for, that you should face charges for?
SAM: That’s a difficult question, because I blame myself for everything, I blame myself for literally everything. So as far as I’m concerned, I have an extremely guilty feeling you know about everything that my kids have been through em, but I will tell you everybody makes stupid mistakes and I made bad decisions all of my life up until this point, up until this very day — every day I make bad decisions and I don’t believe anything is worth what I’ve been through.
BAKER: Did you, did you make a decision to go to ISIS though, Sam?
SAM: I can’t really answer that because it has to do with the case. I made the decision, I made the decision to…
BAKER: [laughs] The visitation has ended. Trying, trying… No won’t let me do it. Great.
BAKER: Nothing in Sam’s story is simple. The more I look into what she says about leaving America, the less it makes sense. She’s misled or lied to the FBI, to Matthew’s father, even her best friends. So maybe she’s been lying to me about what happened to her in Syria.
Did she really try to escape? Was she really imprisoned and tortured? Or could that all just be part of another story designed to disguise the fact that Sam was an ISIS supporter all along?
The only way to find out, is to go back to Syria — this time to the city ISIS called its capital — Raqqa. Where Sam and the children lived.
BAKER: Did you ever hear about a woman called Um Yusef?
BAKER: I’m going to walk down this way. If you look on the walls, people were tortured in here and there’s two bloody hand marks where somebody’s put their hand on the wall and slid down.
JOE KENT: Smears.
BAKER: Yep, smears of blood.
BAKER: And it turns out there’s much more to Sam’s story.
BAKER: So what does he know about Samantha? Can you ask him to tell me what he’s told you? Can I ask, was Samantha ISIS? Did she want to be here with ISIS?
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