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Responses and Comments 1996 Tragedy
May 29, 1997
Question:
I was just reading David Breashears interview in regard to
the recent tragedy from the Northern route. David made the
comment that Everest is this huge magnet that draws people
to it so that in their quest to fulfill a dream and
accomplish it some give up their lives and that this a
natural consequence of high altitude mountaineering. I
understand that even under the best of situations, and with
the most experienced there can be mishaps...but are these
large numbers of deaths on Everest in the last two years a
lack of preparation and experience and due to the sheer
number of expeditions? Or the ambitions and motivations of
these expeditions to blame? I am sure David and his NOVA
team are patient and prudent. But don't these other teams
endanger those that are experienced? And where is that line
drawn? When will one team not come to the aid of another due
to either ambition of its own...or lack of resources...or
possible danger to themselves? Or is life in the death zone
one of every man for himself? I suppose one cannot protect
someone from himself, that one will reap the consequences of
one's actions. But can those actions endanger others? Good
luck to David and the rest of the NOVA team. God speed and
safe climbing.
Thomas Auyong
Diamond Bar, CA
Response from David Breashears:
With the dramatic increase in the number of people on
Everest along with the commensurate increase of people
trying for the summit in a short weather window, it follows
that there would be an increase in fatalities. It is as much
due to bad weather as poor decision making in climbing. It's
worth noting that inexperienced and experienced climbers
alike have been dying over the last years. It is up to each
team to decide who aids those who need assistance. When in
the death zone, there is an extraordinary level of self
preservation. This is often much stronger than the urge to
help others, when this could endanger oneself. But there are
also very heroic acts of selflessness seen at high altitude
and we've also seen similar acts of deep selfishness. It is
an interesting question as to how climbers in a hypoxic,
sleep deprived, dehydrated extremely exhausted state should
be held accountable for the decisions they make at high
altitudes. You can also read my essay written several years
ago for the American Alpine Journal, titled "Every
Man for Himself" which addresses this issue.
Question:
Have the local authorities or organization of climbers
developed new high altitude rescue techniques since last
season? Are the number of "climbers" who pay to get to the
top of the world down? Best wishes from the children of the
Boys and Girls Clubs of West Virginia.
Response from Pete Athans:
There are probably no "new" rescue techniques, but after
last year's helicopter rescue success from Camp I, perhaps
local authorities are more confident about flying rescues.
There does not seem to be any dimunition of guided or
outfitted expeditions.
Question:
Here is a difficult question: In Jon Krakauer's book, "Into
Thin Air," he tells of the massive efforts made by many
expeditions to keep Everest clean by removing spent oxygen
bottles and so forth. Yet in the book he recounts his
sighting of two frozen corpses on the mountain as his team
approached Camp II in 1996, one of which had been there for
over a decade according to his guide. Why are bodies left on
the mountain? That seems odd.
Danny Evans
Irvine, CA
Response from David Breashears:
Bodies are much heavier and much more difficult to remove
than garbage. For instance, a Sherpa can easily carry 4-6
empty oxygen bottles down from the South Col. But it would
require 6-8 Sherpas to carry down one body. To further
complicate the issue, the Sherpas, who always provide the
man-power for the removal of bodies, are extremely
superstitious and wary of dead bodies and often refuse to go
near them, even if the deceased are familiar to them. We
feel that it would be improper to demand that the Sherpas
move the bodies of the deceased when they are often so
opposed to it. Also, although it is rare, the relatives of
the deceased sometimes request that the bodies be left on
the mountain. But, it is the difficult logistics and
enormous effort required to bring a body down that often
precludes us from removing bodies from Everest. It is
important to note that bringing bodies down Everest is also
a time consuming and dangerous activity and one has to ask
if it is worth risking lives to bring down someone who is
dead.
Question:
After the tragedy of last year's expeditions on the part of
Rob Hall and Scott Fischer, do you plan to summit Everest in
a different fashion than previous years? Will it just be a
matter of keeping an eye on the weather? Also, David is
there any plans in the future to summit Everest vis-a-vis
the West Ridge Route such as the Hornbein Expedition did
several years ago?
Jason Jordan
St. Louis, MI
Response:
Our climbers will be climbing the south col route which is
the same one as Rob Hall and Scott Fischer climbed last
year. At this time, David has no plans to attempt the West
Ridge route.
Question:
I have been quite interested in last year's tragedy, given
Beck Wethers is a local. He's been through much and that
just highlights the unfortunate ones like Rob, Scott and the
others. If it is too difficult to help injured climbers
down, what do you do with those who have died? As someone
said last year, you don't want them to be just another slide
in some climber's slide show. On the other hand, you have
certainly described the terrible ordeal one has to go
through just to get himself up and down. Please tell us what
has been done and how you feel about the results ... i.e.,
whether or not they have been removed, buried in rocks, etc.
Mark Enoch
Dallas, TX
Response from Ed Viesturs and Pete Athans
Given the logistical problems of evacuating bodies, it is
very problematic to remove dead climbers from high on the
mountain. However, we do try to remove them and put them in
a respectful place, if possible.
Question:
What is the difference between climbing the north side and
the south side of Everest. Also I watched Turning Point last
night, it was about the climbers who were trapped on Everest
last year but it did not say if the bodies of the climbers
who died were recovered or will they be. Good luck on your
quest and stay safe. (AND WARM)
O.G. Bizeau
Gladstone, MI
Response from Ed Viesturs and Pete Athans
The North Side of Everest is windier and more technical the
higher up you go. There are no plans to evacuate any of the
bodies from last year as it is extremely difficult to move
them due to the high altitude and technical terrain. We will
try to cover them or move them somewhere out of the way in a
respectful fashion.
Question:
David, How are you. My name is Matt. I am 13 years of age, I
recently saw a show on my TV talking about the May 10th,
1996 tragedy on Mt. Everest. I would like to know, were you
on the mountain at that time?? And if you were I would like
to know about what happened and what it was like. I think it
was very sad. Also, have you ever been climbing and passed
like a skeleton on the mountain? I also wanted to know, how
many times have you climbed the mountain?? Well if you could
please E-mail me back I would really appreciate it. Well,
thanks a lot. Bye
Matt Vogt
Vancouver, WA
Response:
David was on the mountain during last year's tragedy, but he
was not up at Camp IV where most of the tragic events
transpired. It was a very difficult time to be on the
mountain. Now as the climbers head back up the mountain they
all feel a great sense of sadness for their friends that
they have lost.
Question:
I have just read Jon Krakauer's book, "Into Thin Air", about
the 1996 tragedies on Mt Everest. Is Krakauer's account
reasonably accurate? What is the general feeling among
experienced climbers about Krakauer's role in the 1996
expedition? How hard has it been to assure that the hired
guides don't focus on their own goals vice those of their
clients? Specifically I have in mind the multiple accounts
of Anatoli Boukreev (sic) on Scott Fischers 1996 expedition
where he comes off as both hero and villain. He seemed to
place his need to achieve the summit (without oxygen) and to
get back down above that of the clients; while later he did
venture out multiple times and save clients, we are left to
wonder if his role wasn't pivotal in precipitating at least
a part of the disaster.
Thanks
Neal Vinson
Vurke, VA
Response from Base Camp:
None of us has had a chance yet to read Jon Krakauer's
account of last year's events as we have been at Base Camp
for over a month.
Question:
It's been less than one year since circumstances took the
lives of several of your friends and fellow climbers. Do you
sense a difference in attitudes among the various
expeditions compared to other years that you've been on
Everest? I would also suspect that there are more
journalists and reporters at Base Camp than in prior years.
Do you have any thoughts about their presence? Thank you and
best wishes.
Larry Buttrey
Long Beach, CA
Response from Ed Viesturs
We definitely as guides are taking a very conservative
approach as far as letting clients go high on the mountain.
They need to display strength, endurance, and skills lower
down on the mountain before we will allow them to go higher.
Just because they have paid us to come here does not
guarantee they get a chance at the summit. They need to
first prove to us that they are capable by displaying their
climbing abilities. This has always been my philosophy even
before last year's tragedies.
I don't think that there are any more journalists here than
last year but I do think that the whole world is watching
us. The presence of journalists really does not affect me. I
think that I would be guiding in the same way regardless of
their scrutiny.
Question:
1. The task of route setting through the ice fall and on up
is dangerous, extremely critical and consumes precious
energy. Who (generally) is selected for this and how are
they selected?
2. There have been many articles on the large increase of
inexperienced climbers buying their way onto Everest and
creating very dangerous conditions. One article said that
after the deaths a few years ago, the quantity of people
allowed was reduced from 300 that year to 240 the following
year (last year I think). Your newsflash has said you have
400 this year. What is the experience levels in general? How
does this relate to safety on the mountain this year? And
how is the team vs team hierarchy (climbing order, decision
making, etc.) managed?
Thanks and good luck!
Eric Stiverson
San Diego, CA
Response from David Breashears:
In this day and age of 10 expeditions on Everest and 3-4
expeditions on Lhotse that share the same route, there's a
designated team that fixes the route. This year we have 50
8-foot sections of ladders for crossing crevasses. We all
contribute toward the cost of fixing and maintaining the
Icefall.
The team vs team climbing hierarchy is mostly survival of
the fittest and who is ready to go at certain times. We have
already addressed the issue of inexperienced climbers in a
previous email response. The overcrowding issue is
definitely a problem. I would say that 10% of the climbers
on the mountain are of expert ability, not including the
Sherpas, 30% have some previous Himalayan experience, and
60% are relatively inexperienced and unlikely to be able to
take care of themselves in a severe storm or an emergency.
Response from Pete Athans:
At least 50% of the people climbing this mountain are not on
commercial expeditions, meaning they're outfitted, and are
supposed to be looking after themselves.
Question:
Has the tragedy that occurred on Everest last year changed
your climbing tactics in any significant way?
Michael Hergert
Coronado, CA
Response from Base Camp:
No, it hasn't but it has reaffirmed why we have always taken
a very conservative tact in our summit attempts in regards
to the timing, amount of oxygen, number of Sherpas, and
weather conditions.
Question:
Our 7th and 8th grade reading class at Jim Hill Middle
School will be following your climb up Mt. Everest. Do you
know anybody from last year who died during the climb and is
this making the climb any harder emotionally? Katie and my
7th and 8th grade class.
Katie Thiel
Jim Hill Middle School
Response from Base Camp:
Yes, we did know some of the climbers from last year who
died on the mountain, in particular, Rob Hall and Scott
Fischer. Their deaths will always weigh heavily on our minds
as we climb Everest.
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