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Questions and Responses
Set 5, posted May 11, 1999
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Question:
Disgraceful behavior—selling pictures of George
Mallory's body. It is the family who should have decided
whether or not they should be released. Bad show, Nova.
Peter Edwards Bern, Switzerland
Response from NOVA:
NOVA was not involved in selling the photos of George Leigh
Mallory's body. As we proceed to cover this story on this
Web site and in the upcoming NOVA program we will endeavor
to take into consideration the wishes of the Mallory family
and the dictates of good taste and journalistic
responsibility.
Question:
The climbers mentioned seeing other bodies while searching
for Mallory. Did they attempt to identify them or at least
gather info so that others might know who they were? What
will be the focus on their second search attempt in that
same area?
(name witheld by request)
Response from Liesl Clark, NOVA Producer:
On the first search effort no attempts were made to identify
the bodies specifically. The body of Andrew Irvine will be
the focus of our second search.
Question:
What would your feelings be if the results of your
expedition were to displace Edmund Hillary and Tenzing
Norgay's place in history?
Larry Buttrey Long Beach, CA
Response from Ned Johnston, expedition cameraman:
In the unlikely event that we find conclusive proof that
Mallory and Irvine made it to the summit, Hillary and
Tenzing's place in mountaineering history will in no way be
diminished. They are still the first climbers to make it to
the summit and return successfully.
Question:
I am a writer working on a novel about a mythical British
Everest Expedition from Tibet in 1949. I am puzzled about
what type of climbing ropes would have been used then. Would
climbers use the traditional hemp and silk ropes from the
earlier pre-war climbing era, or would new technology have
made nylon climbing ropes available? I know this is off the
direct topic of your Web site, but I have searched far and
wide and can't get an answer. Any help would be appreciated.
Incidentally, many congratulations on a superb, multimedia
site. It's terrific!
Susan Bugler Queensland, Australia
Response from Jochen
Hemmleb:
Hemp ropes were still pretty much the order at that time but
the first nylon ropes started to appear in the late 40s -
early 50s.We will check with Andy
Politz, our rope expert, "the King of Sting," and try to get back
to you.
Question:
As a person who has read James Ramsey Ullman's book
Kingdom of Adventure: Everest perhaps 10 times, I
have been riveted to your progress reports. Could you kindly
answer three questions:
1. How many modern (post-war) expeditions to the North side
of Everest have there been?
2. Which were the most significant ones and very briefly
what did they accomplish?
3. Could you by any chance spot the approximate location of
Somervell's 1924 picture of Norton at 28,000
feet on your map
(Ullman, pg. 183)? The terrain in that picture does not look
particularly challenging. (Likewise Ullman pg. 279.) Would
you care to comment?
Thanks much.
Dick Tuthill Bolton, CT
Response from Liesl Clark, NOVA Producer:
1. Our resident Everest historian Jochen Hemmleb responds
that it is now beyond 100. Up to 1995 there had been 130
ascents of Mallory's original route.
2. The most significant ascents of the North side were
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1980: First ascent of the Hornbein Couloir direct by the
Japanese.
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1980: Reinhold Messner's solo ascent via the North Col,
North Face, and Great Couloir. This was the first
complete solo ascent of the mountain and will probably
always be.
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1984: The Australian ascent of the Great Couloir direct.
This was, besides Messner's ascent, the first time that
a new route was climbed without oxygen.
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1984: American ascent of the North Face variation from
the North Col into the Great Couloir (Erschler
variation).
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1986: 40-hour ascent of the Hornbein Couloir by Erhard
Loretan and Jean Troillet without oxygen (descent
accomplished in just four hours—sliding on their
backsides).
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1986: First Mallory and Irvine Research Expedition
failing to get past 8000 meters, found nothing in the
heavy snow.
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1988: First crossing of the Pinnacles (Northeast Ridge)
by Harry Taylor and Russell Brice.
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1991: First ascent of the American route on the Great
Couloir, left side.
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1995: First female solo ascent of Everest without oxygen
by Alison Hargreaves.
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1995: First ascent of Northeast Ridge integral by the
Japanese.
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1996: 17-hour ascent of the North Ridge by Hans
Kammerlander who subsequently skied down from the
summit.
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1997: First ascent of the Northeast Couloir by a Russian
expedition.
3. The spot where Somervell took his highest picture of
Norton is 70 meters vertically down from the top of the
Second Step on the Yellow Band near the junction with the
overlying gray band. The terrain depicted on the picture is
steeper than it appears (about 45 degrees) and the slabs are
downsloping and overlapping, making for very insecure going.
Norton described it very well: "I found myself stepping from
tile to tile, as it were, each tile sloping smoothly and
steeply downwards; I began to feel that I was too much
dependent on the mere friction of a boot nail on the slabs.
It was not exactly difficult going, but it was a dangerous
place for a single, unroped climber, as one slip would have
sent me in all probability to the bottom of the mountain."
(Norton's The Fight for Everest: 1924 p. 112 )
Question:
I am a climbing scientist, with three decades of experience
up to 21,000 feet.
Just wanted to mention that although most historians think
that the "found ice axe" had to have been dropped by Mallory
and Irvine (like Unsworth p.178), I have never been so sure.
In T. Howard Somervell's book After Everest on p.130
he mentions that he dropped his own ice axe while retreating
from within 900 feet of the summit. It would be the same
vintage as M&I's axes and easy to confuse. I wanted to
point up this seldom discussed observation in case you find
M&I on one rope with two axes near their remains, and
have this logical problem to solve.
Rich Metcalf, Ph.D. Glaciologist & Geochemist Everett,
WA
Response from Jochen
Hemmleb:
The place where Somervell dropped his ice axe was on the
Yellow Band between the First and Second Steps which is
about 300 yards closer to the summit horizontally than the
point where the ice axe was found. And it was also almost at
the same altitude. Also, Somervell describes his ice axe
"still going strong" then vanishing from view.
Question:
Having heard the news that you had located the body of
Mallory I was wondering if you were still actively looking
for the body of Irvine?
In one of the news reports it stated that ropes were still
attached to Mallory's body and I was wondering—if one
of them had fallen then presumably he would have taken the
other with him. Therefore they would still be attached
together?
I also hear that the camera has not been found. Where would
you start to look for it? It could have fallen a long
way!
Keep up the good work. It's all very interesting!
Mark Bewick King's Lynn, Norfolk, England
Response from Lee Meyers, expedition doctor:
Yes, the rope broke and we're still looking for Irvine and
the camera.
Question:
What would your feelings be if the results of your
expedition were to displace Edmund Hillary and Tenzing
Norgay's place in history?
Larry Buttrey Long Beach, CA
Response from Ned Johnston, expedition cameraman:
In the unlikely event that we find conclusive proof that
Mallory and Irvine made it to the summit, Hillary and
Tenzing's place in mountaineering history will in no way be
diminished. They are still the first climbers to make it to
the summit and return successfully.
Question:
There has been a bit of a feud regarding claims made about
the first ascent of Denali. Photographs taken on that
expedition were claimed to have been taken higher on the
mountain or even on the summit. Others say that they were
taken much lower on the mountain. Should Mallory's camera be
found, what would you look for to verify that the photo was
taken on the true summit?
Larry Buttrey Long Beach, CA
Response from Jochen
Hemmleb:
I would take a sharp look at recent summit photographs and
check whether features visible on those photographs (other
mountain ranges, glaciers, etc) show the same alignment as
Mallory's photograph. This is a simple cartographic
technique called "back bearing."
Question:
Just what is "Hornbein's Sludge?"
Larry Buttrey Long Beach, CA
Response from Liesl Clark, NOVA Producer:
Hornbein's "sludge" is the most delicious, smooth, and
sensuous chocolate sauce that must go on pure vanilla ice
cream. To die for. Tom Hornbein, to this day, has not shared
his recipe with anyone.
Question:
Will the film of this expedition be shown in IMAX format?
Dave Brown Coventry, UK
Response from Liesl Clark, NOVA Producer:
No. It will air on both NOVA and the BBC some time this fall
or winter. Check your local listings.
Question:
I understand that the team found Mallory's body with the
rope tied around his waist. What was on the other end of the
rope? Was there and indication that the rope was attached to
Irvine, was it cut or chaffed? In effect did the rope
indicate that there was an accident? Do you know if the body
was found at a lower altitude than the height that the 1924
expedition last saw them?
Regards. Response from Jochen Hemmleb:
Clive & Richard Bolt Auckland
Response from Jochen
Hemmleb:
The body was tangled up in the rope and the rope was broken.
The conclusion derived from this is that Mallory fell
probably taking Irvine with him and the rope (possibly
caught on a rock) severed between the two men. The body was
found a least 900 feet below the site where they were last
seen.
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