M2 Well, Henry, I must thank you so much for coming to see me today. And, you know, you’ve been a tremendous support to me and me ever since I’ve known you, which is more years than I like to say at this time, but. You were especially a great help to me at a time when we needed some support for Turkish American relations. And you took two trips with me to, uh, to Turkey and to Ankara in Istanbul. And those were wonderful. We had a wonderful time. I, I, I remember those occasions with great delight.
M3 Because I mean, you and me have been great friends of ours. You’ve added so much to the joy of our life and to our understanding of aspects of American life that we wouldn’t normally encounter. And the you’ve been the sort of friend that one can always count on. I must say going to Turkey with you teaches one humility because everybody knows you and everybody is looking at you.
M6 I certainly know you have, but we had a terrific time together and. Yes, in Turkey. I don’t know, of course, every day there was an interview with me in Turkish newspapers. And I didn’t remember that I had given any interviews, but I’m acted as my press agent, he was giving these interviews for me and making more sense than I would have.
M1 Well, sometimes I think maybe I gave some interviews, which may have you may not have liked if you knew how to speak Turkish, but I had that little advantage.
M6 I not thought about it than what you would say, but I remember name.
M1 I remember one thing. Usually when I go to Turkey, people, you know, are press people photograph me and so on. And when the first time you came, I remember a lot of press people came up to, you know, when we arrived at the airport and and they said, Mr. Erdogan, would you mind stepping aside? We like to take a photograph of Dr. Kissinger. I said, I’m never coming with you here again.
M6 But after that, they got straightened out and.
M1 But you know, Henry, I remember very well that you came to our fortieth anniversary celebration of Atlantic Records at Madison Square Garden. Well, we had a huge show. And what I do remember is that I said, you know. Henry, do you mind coming backstage with me, I’d like you to meet a few of the artists because I know they would love to. She said, Oh, they don’t know me. I mean, I don’t know anything about rock and roll and so forth. So we went backstage and the first person we ran into was Wilson Pickett. And I said, Henry, I said I was a Midwestern pig and one of our big stars wasn’t.
F5 I said, this is Dr. Henry Kissinger. He said, Henry Kissinger, my man. And he embraced Henry is my man.
M3 You know, they were wonderful to me. And I was a disgrace to you because I my son. It’s a wild rock and roll.
M8 He knows a lot about music. And he said, yeah, he’s but I have never quite caught up with it. Well, you have other things to think about. I like the people that you were nice enough to introduce me to. Well, they’re not very nice and spontaneous.
M1 They are. They all admire you. Also, my soccer players, when we had the cosmos, they were delighted when you came and so was the crowd. I mean that when you came, you made as much of a splash as as as Mick Jagger when you entered the stadium, the whole the whole crowd started yelling, I guess.
M6 And I’m a big soccer fan and I grew up in Europe.
M5 Of course, that was the sport I followed most.
M8 Yeah. And when we went to some World Cups together, we went to a number of World Cups together.
M1 We always had a great time. Of course, Henry gets a very, very special treatment no matter where he goes.
M12 I think that Henry more than.
M13 More than any ex head of state is received by people all over the world in a way I’ve never seen, his say is as though he had me as the most important person had arrived. Everybody turns out, and it’s a great pleasure and an honor to travel with you because you have the admiration of so many world leaders.
M3 We had a lot of fun together. We went to China together.
M1 That’s right. We had a great a lot of laughs with Oscar out of love.
M6 You had some with him. And then we went to Nepal together. Yes. That was wonderful. That was wonderful, too. Yeah. Because traveling with you is always so joy.
M1 I love that trip to Spain. That was fun. There are so many beautiful cities.
M6 That was great. That was for the World Cup.
M11 That’s right. And. Henry, I think that the.
M12 That it’s. It’s a great pleasure.
M13 I mean, it’s a very special thing to to know you and to know your family and to be part of, you know, we we got together very often to Oscar de la Renta, this house around Christmas time. Well, with people who are perennial friends.
M12 And and it’s a it’s a it’s a great pleasure to be in the in the society of people like yourself.
M3 But friends, what makes friendship so meaningful to Earth and so joyful for us.
M5 It’s that you really enjoy life and you and you see the amusing aspects. And the deeper think. And then you’ve taught me a lot in my field about Turkey and about what to think about in a society that has made such tremendous progress, both economically and politically in the last generation.
M4 You know, you were very kind to come to the dinner I had recently for the prime minister of Turkey. And he was he was very, very happy to to meet you. And I hope that we’ll have an opportunity sometime in the future. I promise Mr. Erdogan that I will try to bring you to Turkey and to bring you back to Ankara for a celebration.
M3 And he would he would very much like to see, you know, I would enjoy that very I would be great. I have had the warmest memories. And you and I will agree ahead of time of the interview.
M1 Exactly. I won’t I won’t give any interviews to embarrass you this time.
M6 You didn’t embedded with fact. You made me sound more coherent. I would have sounded.
M13 I remember when when we were in.
M12 And emphasis.
M13 A young girl was a newspaper woman, came running up to us. I was walking ahead with Henry and Nancy and Mika were behind us.
M11 And the.
M1 And this girl had heard a lot of stories about your romantic escapades as a young man and she had gotten married, she has before you were married and she asked me that. Uh, which which star did Mr. Kissinger bring with him this time that I said as the start of this show is Mr. Kissinger and please don’t repeat that question, but thank God you speak English. So it wasn’t like you.
F1 Is that enough? Susan, do you have any other points you want to cover? Oh. So I thought to know what?
F7 I thought there was something that is interesting that you were talking about on Charlie Rose that you might want to discuss with Mr. Kissinger, which is about Turkey, about but you’re working hard to sort of bring about further education about Turkey this morning in the.
F8 Today about Jogi going to yeah, I thought that might be slightly slight conversation to have briefly, but that’s up to you, I thought was interesting.
M13 Well, whether Turkey ever gets in the EU or not, I think and I’ll ask you if you agree, I think it was a wise thing. For the members to give a date to start. To speak about negotiations, to see if Turkey can enter the E.U., it would have been wrong.
M5 To say to a country of the magnitude of Turkey, which actually, if it enters the EU well may have the largest population of any country in the EU to say we won’t talk about Europe being able to join Europe at all.
M4 Yes, because I think that I think that it’s for they they’ve gained the they’ve gained the alliance of a very important country for well, with no guarantees. And and and they have at least 10 or 15 years in which this country, this country is going to make whatever whatever they think they need to do to qualify to enter the EU reforms and so forth. And they’ll get that for nothing.
M5 Well, the only justification they could have given for not including Turkey is that an Islamic country and for a group of democratic states to say that because Turkey. It’s a democratic country. Uh, in fact, that. The current prime minister was elected in a absolutely free election free election, so it would have been inappropriate to refuse to talk to Turkey now, but that can be made to whether or not we will see in the negotiation. But it should not be done on the basis of the religious beliefs that Turkey has.
M4 Yeah, I agree with you totally. And I think that that. That Turkey will make in this period will make reforms now at the end of 10 years, 15 years, you know, Turkey may not even want to join the European Union. Other European may not want them for other reasons, but but at least they want to give us the next 10 or 15 years of of of salads, a realignment and reform. And I think of economic prosperity.
M5 No, it was the only responsible thing to do to begin the negotiation.
M4 Yes. I think Erdogan has been very good. And in that respect, in that he has really pushed this thing through to to a good a good ending.
M5 And there’s a good chance that they will succeed. I hope so. The negotiation.
F1 Yes. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
M7 OK, now, when I bought it a one hour program now. Oh, so at the end of the day, you cut it, I’ll have two minutes, you’ll have time and I’m going to end up with two of whom I’ll tell you individually.
F2 Well, not many people of your stature were interviewing Wilson Pickett. And we are going to you and Aretha Franklin, Eric Clapton and Jimmy Page and Robert Plant all rock and roll.
F3 So I think we’re also going to be on Charlie Rose.
M9 He was. I saw you on the program. We did. You were good. Yeah. Yeah.
F4 Well, I’m recently, but I don’t go into rock and roll.
M9 You were great. And you stay out and I know that you have to in what you’re doing and giving interviews shows. No, I don’t get into that because I don’t know. Suddenly ever since we started this, it’s grown it that way. Yes.
F3 It’s really boomerang who is coming out from rock and roll and doing things about Eric Clapton tonight. Thanks for that.
M9 Oh, I thought that the movie Ray. And yes, I mean, not you can bet you a good it’s a good thing you came out very well and was well and was written favorably.
M5 And my my character, your character was very attractive, although I thought the fellow was a little.
M10 Not exactly my kind.
M7 No, you didn’t, but but I thought because I think they got the basic point across very well. What did you think of the movie? I thought was a great movie. The version I had just ended at one point. Yeah, I mean, the. He went when he gets when he gets rid of the habit and really gets nothing ended of the last 10 years of his life.
F1 I’m not sure if that was the film. It was nothing goes on where he gets introduced.
M7 I understand that an uncut version, but that film abruptly end. Hmm. I don’t know, you didn’t see in the theater? No, I don’t. But we have a fairly big screen.
M10 Yeah, I was. That house has to be staying here. Here. Where are you staying? In America for about two weeks. Yeah, that’s all. Other than to go to Europe for a few days, they come in for Nancy’s birthday.
M6 Well, I think with the.
