Speaker I’m sure this is kind of a common thread, but, you know, my first teacher was my grandmother.
Speaker Yes, it’s very sort of said the same thing. Yeah. And his mother, as much as his father is that did.
Speaker Well, my my grandma, Dorothy Wood, from my earliest memories. She would get us all lined up and and have us go through kind of the basic expressions of fear and happiness and sadness.
Speaker And, you know, from childhood you were destined to be in this family tradition.
Speaker You know, I think what was what was nice about it was that there was a lot of support and a lot of play and a lot of encouragement towards being expressive and being creative. But there was never any pressure to do it. If anything, quite the opposite. My my grandma, for instance, she always begged one of us to become a lawyer or doctor. But, no, I. I didn’t you know, actually, for me it wasn’t until really I was in college that I became. Determined to do it, there was always something that I enjoyed and derived a lot of pleasure from and loved watching my family do it. But, you know, I kind of was interested in other things. I still have other interests.
Speaker And certainly, I don’t know so much about your father in that regard. But certainly, no, Jeff is consummate other crafts. I mean, he’s a musician. He’s a great photographer. He’s a painter. He’s a writer. He’s a great storyteller. He’s a great actor. Yeah. So there’s a wonderful.
Speaker Well, that’s I mean, that’s one of the things one of the points of inspiration with Jeff for me is that he is a true renaissance man. And that’s something that I aspire to. You know, I. I’ve been given this great opportunity to have a career in the business. But. I still want to try other things, and I when I look at him, I see that you can do it, that not just that you can, but even more to the point that you should. That I think this business is is full of so many challenges and that if you don’t have a really vibrant life creatively outside of the work that we do, I think that you can get a little stifled. And it will actually make it very difficult to kind of express yourself in the work. So I you know, I. And this is just me kind of objectively looking at it.
Speaker But I think that his work is hugely informed by the fact that that he is kind of a pure artist.
Speaker I don’t think that he would be as good an actor if he wasn’t also a painter and a photographer and a musician. I think that at all. All of it informs all of it, I think.
Speaker Yeah, I agree. One of the interesting things that John Goodman was here this morning, interesting things he said about him is how you would think in sort of even thinking about the biosphere or something.
Speaker These guys are kind of like things that they kind of come at this in the same way. And they are here. They are they play these kind of great friends.
Speaker But it’s so effortless, less so effortless in that film. And it feels so it just feels so right. You think are they kind of. But John Goodman said he kind of comes at this in a very ad hoc way. And Jeff is so exacting and sort of so, you know, many very quick questioning, very curious about so many aspects of the character. And he and John Goodman said, I wouldn’t even think to ask them some of that. Yeah, well, you know, it’s of course, everybody’s approach is everybody’s approach, but sure. In a couple of guys like that who are so. Beautifully sort of blended in that film.
Speaker And yet you’d think that they would have a similar process. Yeah. I don’t you know, I you know, I’ve been at it for about 15 years now, not not too long. But I don’t think I’ve ever met or worked with an actor whose process even comes close to the way that Jeff works. Do you get around him? And why can’t I mean. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think just just in talking to about I feel that each and this is something that I’ve tried to emulate to some degree. But I think that he each each job, each time he approaches a character, I don’t think he has a set way of working. He he brings a whole kind of new array of tools to the task at hand. And so I I think that he you know, I I love hearing him talk about Star Man. You know, for instance, where he did a lot of animal study. And, you know, he observed I think it was Bell. My cousin Bell was a baby at the time and he got a lot of his physicality from watching the way that she was. I think she was learning how to walk. And so he kind of drew from that. And I think that that’s, you know, pretty that kind of work is pretty unique to a lot of people who a lot of actors out there, it’s they do incredible work internally. And that’s that’s their thing is they’re being as naturalistic as possible. But what’s wonderful about watching Jeff work, I think, is that he he does take care of that. But but then he’s not afraid to kind of get into some very expressive physicality and.
Speaker You know, kind of work outside the box logo.
Speaker He seems to have an extraordinary antennae. It seems that things reaching, you know, something just in talking to him and being around him is that I have. It seems that something can try strike him over here. Something is striking. And it strikes him. He doesn’t get by them. And he and he absorbs of all of these things are sort of coming in. And who knows at what point they’re going to come out again. Yeah, they’re definitely. And he’s paying attention to them. Mm hmm. Which I think is.
Speaker Yeah. And I don’t I mean, I think that he. Yeah. He soaks things up definitely. Just just in that in the time that I’ve hung out with him, he always he always has like a new thing that he’s discovered, whether it’s a book or a place that he wants to show me or something that he wants to turn me onto. So, yeah, he’s always kind of taking in new inspiration, which is also something that’s great to be around.
Speaker Absolutely. Let’s talk about your dad and your own memories of your dad and Jeff and what you even know where to go. And then the one film that, of course, sticks out in everybody’s mind and everybody loves from all of them is fabulous Baker boys.
Speaker Yeah. Why have there’s a there’s a couple of a couple of things that I can talk about with that.
Speaker Just on a personal note, I was actually there when. They were preparing for that. They were in Montana. Oh, gosh, let’s see. Let me know. I think I was about I want to say I was about. Fourteen, yeah. But I might be remembering it incorrectly, but I did it because I think it was a eighty eight, eighty seven, so I was like fourteen fifteen, something like that. And.
Speaker What’s interesting is, you know, my my dad kind of had to win the part. He had to kind of win the part. And so they got together and they they worked it out and worked on the script and brought that in to the producers to show that he was really the one for it. And then one, once he got it, they we all went to Montana and they were they would just kind of sequester off and work for hours and hours and hours. I think mining their own experience and, you know, kind of honing down the script.
Speaker And does your dad come at this in the same meticulous questioning way as Jeff or does he come? Does he come out laughing? Your dad does. How did they differ?
Speaker It’s interesting. You know, I think.
Speaker I feel like my dad. He is very meticulous and that was I mean, that’s another interesting through line, I think, is that, you know, I talked about my grandmother, who, you know, well, she she kind of I think she helped helped all of us access ah ah ah emotions. And that was something that was wonderful, a great gift that she gave. But my grandfather basically his his kind of gift, I think to my father and my uncle. And then on to me is a a work ethic. And I think that’s that’s something that they share. They both work really hard and they make very specific choices. I think that, you know, the kind of way that they get to that is very different. It’s so tough. I you know, I think talking about it’s very hard to articulate method in acting. And when I don’t mean the big M.
Speaker I mean process. You get through it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker There’s always something for me that I’m trying to dig out. Just. Yeah. I know it’s hard. At the same token, if you can, when you can somehow get it, you sort of try to understand the insides.
Speaker I mean, if anything, I know that my dad talks a lot about acting as a craft. He he really constructs a character. He builds it like he’s, you know, making beautiful clock. And I think, Jeff, my approach, it more like he’s sculpting a piece of clay.
Speaker Now, I don’t I don’t I don’t I wouldn’t even begin to kind of place any kind of value judgment on either of those approaches. And I don’t even know that that’s that’s just me trying to kind of put words to something that is really difficult to express.
Speaker I’m reminded of something. I actually read it, Woody Allen said, actually quoting Rodin. How do you sculpt an elephant? Yeah. Keep away everything. That’s not an elephant.
Speaker Yeah, that that makes sense. Yeah. I mean, I think that I, I could see that that that quote would really apply to to Jeff that he he’s, you know, he sees the character in there and then it’s just a matter of refining and refining. And he may I think that Goodman quote is really apt, that he he makes very specific choices. And I think that he you know, he’ll draw from whatever experience he’s had that applies to that particular job. You know, another thing that comes to mind, talking about the two of them, I’m sure my dad will touch on this when they were. You know, kind of I feel like maybe in high school, Jeff was in high school and my dad was in college, something like that. They used to go in like a flatbed truck and park outside of a grocery store and pick fights with each other and, you know, stage fights. Right. And then people would gather around.
Speaker We rolling out a new site.
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Speaker You can do it yourself or you want me to do it. I can do it. You have a mirror mirror on the right. Thank you. Yes, that and some. There’s a suppression index. Marry me. Change your Jaser.
Speaker Due to read Otake to having an Duder student, isn’t that so? So I was just saying, okay, it’s a base. I’ll I’ll just do the the whole bit again. My dad, my uncle, when they were young, strapping men, they used to take fat me try to get my dad and my uncle when they were young, strapping men. They used to take a flatbed truck and they would park outside of a grocery store and pick a fight and that would kind of get people around interested in what was going on. And then I guess they would break into Shakespeare and start reciting scenes from Shakespeare. And they was they just sort of did this as a way to be able to perform publicly without having to convince somebody to pay them to do it. And so this was something that they they had both always been really interested in stage combat and like to do it with each other. They always like to kind of spar a little bit. So my father and I were doing a play called Looking for Normal. And Jeff was coming that my dad was very excited. And in the play, we have a fight. And my dad was like, you know, Jeff’s out there tonight. So we really got to turn on the fight. You know, we’ve got to make it just perfect because I want to impress him. I was like, okay, that I just, you know, let’s just do it by the numbers. You know, we’ve done this a million times. We know what it is. So we kind of went over it before, like we always did. We always kind of went through the choreography and, you know, it comes up and I look over at him and he’s like, he’s all juiced up. And like, I’m like, oh, OK, here we go. And we get into it. And at this one point, he has me in a headlock and he’s supposed to do an uppercut. And then I go up like this and and that’s sort of the thing that ends the fight. Well, because he was all jacked up on adrenaline on this particular night, he when Jeff was in the audience, he he double clutched and actually hit me. And then we broke out into laughter, which had no place in the scene. But what I loved about it and actually this kind of does come back to Jeff, is that it informed the scene and it took us into a fresh place that we never would have gone before. And I think that that, you know, watching having been kind of a student of Jeff’s work, I think he likes to do that. He’s the kind of actor who, you know, when the butterfly comes into the frame. He’s not going to get distracted and say, oh, can we cut? You know, he’ll find a way to incorporate that and make the scene into something new and fresh that it never would have been before.
Speaker He also I love how he likes to. He he’s talked to me a lot about using an opposite idea to what the scene is. So if it’s a scene where you’re supposed to be angry and yelling at somebody, sometimes the stronger choice and the more interesting choice is actually to be really quiet. And if you watch, you know, his work, you’ll see that’s that’s kind of something he comes back to.
Speaker A lot counterintuitive aspect. You say this because there was actually a fly. Mm hmm. Yeah. When you’re sitting with him and he actually can make a fly noise. It’s one of the things he can do.
Speaker And it was you and. That’s OK. That brings me to another story.
Speaker So when I think I was about 17 and at this point almost all of the grandchildren had been born and my grandparents used to have this place up in the Sierras. We we had one Christmas where all of us were under one roof. And my younger brother, Dylan, had the idea to make a movie. I think the Robin Hood Prince of Thieves, the Kevin Costner movie, was out in the theaters at the time. And so we made a Robin Hood movie taking place in the snow. And Jeff gave this great bit of a gesture to my cousin, my older cousin Marcel, who was playing Prince John. And he said, well, I think it’ll be really interesting if you think that there’s always flies hovering around here, your head.
Speaker So he had this thing where he was constantly going like this.
Speaker And and it like it was this little tiny note, but it actually was hilarious and it made the whole character.
Speaker It’s funny because we were consumed by flies the whole time out there leaving doors open. Get in. Yesterday, the fire was when he was doing this little band rehearsal posted on the door.
Speaker But no flies. Flies, no flies. So, you know, flies must be a kind of record.
Speaker It’s a recurring theme. I think this should be, you know, the fly show. No. So I’m trying to think any other stuff I like. Yeah. Yeah. Guide me.
Speaker I would. I’d like to talk. Well, first of all, I don’t want to make something that feels and I’m not I’m not looking for some. But these are two very close brothers with two very competitive careers, just in the sense of this is what they do. And when you say your father had to earn the part your four bigger boys has, that is, you know, there. How does that play in there sometimes? And again, not to make this carrying these details.
Speaker I don’t know. There’s no cause there. And there’s really I mean, two brothers in the same.
Speaker Yeah. I’m all the same. Everything with two different careers and both of them very legitimate and very good. Yeah.
Speaker But you had two different careers and I think we’ll just knowing, you know, from from my dad’s side and from his perspective, he’s only kind of full of pride in Jeff. You know, I think that. Sometimes he sort of laments that, you know, he had this. He had this window in, like the late 60s, early 70s of sort of leading manhood. And he didn’t quite hit into that groove in the way that the Jeff did. But it’s not anything that he would ever want to take away from Jeff. It’s just that he feels like he had to kind of reinvent himself as a character actor now. Jeff, I think, would love to just be a character actor.
Speaker I think that he you know, I I’ve heard other people describe him as a character actor in a leading man’s body, kind of. And I think that he also you know, my dad really was there in the beginning for him along.
Speaker He says to. Yeah. That he wanted to do, though, helped him a great. Bo know was his idea in so many ways. Yeah. Could do it both it to be cautious.
Speaker Yeah. And I think that you know, so that’s because I think maybe in some way that’s tempered any. Resentment that might have been there. Although I question whether that would be the case. But the fact that my dad helped him get his first agent, you know, there is another story there. So Jeff was, I think, in high school and he was starting to take an interest in it. And my dad arranged a meeting with his agent. And what they decided to do, rather than have him come in and shake their hands and do go through the whole thing. They had Jeff work on Holden Caulfield, and I think he did like the first two or three pages of the book. And he came in, he sat down and then he just went into it and just did it without any, you know, precursor.
Speaker No. No preamble, no. Hi, how are you? And I think that that was one of the things that really helped take how people kind of stand up and listen and see what he was capable of.
Speaker By the way, I just want to say something. Back when you were talking about the two of them on flatbed trucks and Shakespeare. Jeff was telling me the other day that they’re actually making Shakespeare.
Speaker There is a Shakespeare version of the Baffsky or they’re going to do it and see which play. I wonder. Well, I think you’re right.
Speaker Or are they just. Is it like Shakespearean language, Lebowski? Or are they are they transposing the hope hopelessly?
Speaker The whole plot structure fit perfectly into a Shakespeare. Right.
Speaker Right. M. you. I wonder. Like, I’m trying to. I’m just trying to kind of go through the canon and figure out who. Who’s the dude? Who is the dude? I mean, you know, Hamlet kind of is a little bit. He complains a lot.
Speaker I don’t know. I’m fascinated. I would love to know. You know, I this is never going to make it in. But in passing, it’s an interesting thing. I read about it Williamstown this summer. They’ve taken the songs of Jeff Buckley and transposed them with Romeo and Juliet. I didn’t know that. Yeah. And that seems like that because I don’t know if you hear more about this, let me know because I have never before. I will call Jeff and find out which play.
Speaker But I’m not sure it was even that they were trying to put it inside a play. I had the feeling they were just trying to adapt Shakespearean language.
Speaker So they’re just making it like, you know, the Shakespeare version of The Big Lebowski with.
Speaker That’s what I was. That’s how I missed it. Who the hell knows? That is fascinating.
Speaker I but I would like it. I’ll be there. That film with you. Yes. Has that must have hit at exactly the right moment for you guys? Sure. It’s so is still so. Well, it’s one of the great to me, first of all. The thing about Lubarsky is it’s a great pivot point, both in sort of Jeff’s life. If you look at it sort of just as a kid kept going up till now for a moment. But it’s also one of those movies is one of those great pivot points just in movie making. It’s going to it’s it’s it’s going to live and it lives in this character. Absolutely is.
Speaker It’s a. Yeah, it’s a touchstone. It is.
Speaker And and especially then also in just enshrined by sort of that young college age really guy and continues to be with these Lebowski festivals and this. So.
Speaker So this also without blinking brings in a whole nother group of a whole audience to him still. Sure. Which is beautiful. So I. Well, there’s a couple of things.
Speaker First of all, when when we watched it, we all thought it was a big inside joke because he was wearing all of his own clothes. And he you know, part of the wonderful thing about watching him work is he always is very transformative. He always, you know, really likes to kind of get into the physicality of his character. Well, here he was shuffling along at the end of his walk and, you know, the way he carries himself. But and this is where the opposite thing comes in. But what was fascinating is, you know, a lot of people, when they think about the do they think about this laid back guy? Well.
Speaker If you watch the film, he’s always stressed out and he’s never relaxed, and that’s why it was this amazing kind of explosion between on the one hand, he’s basically my he being my uncle is is, you know, kind of being himself. But on the other hand, I’ve never seen him that stressed out. He’s a very kind of mellow guy.
Speaker He which is not to say, you know, he’s not sharp, but he he he doesn’t you know, he doesn’t really kind of allow himself, at least that I’ve ever seen to get, you know.
Speaker You know, put out in that way. So that was this great kind of contrast between seeing him get stressed out in a way that I’ve never seen him. And then. But but at the same time, basically just being himself.
Speaker Yeah, you too. OK. In that time period. Sure. Because. Wow.
Speaker OK, well, here’s the other thing that is on a personal note. I’m a huge Coen Brothers fan. I must be excited, too. I’m very excited about it. Yeah, I work like the dickens to get on that film. I didn’t quite make I wasn’t right for any of the parts, really, but I was like, I don’t care. I’m going to just try. And Jeff was very nice with his time and, you know, helpful and supportive. But I’ve been a huge fan. I saw raising Arizona seven times in the theater, you know. So when I heard that he was doing Lebowski, I got really excited. I was just out of college. Very serious actor. Very serious young actor. And, you know, again, I am optimistic. Is there anything that a film is like? No, no. There’s nothing really right for you. But, you know, do you want to pay? And I said, you know, I just don’t want them to think of me as a P.A.. And I still kick myself. The fact that I could have been on that set, watching them work, watching that film being made and to be a part of it. And I turned it down, just kills me because I think it is it’s it’s become a great film. And I think it I think it’s sort of a misnomer to say that it’s a cult classic. I think it’s just a classic. I think it’s among their strongest films. And I love him. And watching him and Goodman work together. It was great.
Speaker Perfect. This kidding, right? My God, you’re having fun.
Speaker Yeah, I am.
Speaker Well, what do you think? Yeah, and John said is there’s not one speck of improvisation. Maybe there’s two lines in the hole.
Speaker That’s what Jeff has talked to me about, is that there is not one man, one yo one. Hey, that’s not in the script. And I think that that that shows the strength of their writing and also the diligence of the actors involved that they were able to give it so much life that it did feel like they were just in a car, you know, just ripping off the top of their heads. But I think when you have when you have really strong, great writing like that, you can just give it over to it.
Speaker And they they did that in such a wonderful way that the resonance now continuing residents of this care. One of the other stories, I’m sure you know, this story he was very conflicted about.
Speaker He didn’t want to take it. Yeah. He didn’t want to do it. But I think that that’s kind of his process on every film as he tries to figure out how not to do the film. And, you know, I wish I had those problems. No, but he he I think he I think it was kind of too close. And he just he felt sort of flattered and excited about it the same time. But actually, I don’t know. That’s another thing I admire about Jeff, I think is as actors, we have to wait for somebody to give us permission essentially to do what we do. You can’t, you know, go. I mean, you could, but it would sort of defeat the purpose to go act in your bathroom alone. It’s a collaborative art form by definition.
Speaker And so that when somebody gives us the opportunity to do it, most of us will be like, oh, thank you so much. I can’t wait to do it. I just I don’t care what the part is. Put me in there. I want to do it. But Jeff, I think he has such a strong sense of himself and of what he what he’s looking for, that if he feels something isn’t right, no matter how exciting or who’s involved or the payday or any of that, you know, if he doesn’t feel is right, he’ll he’ll walk away.
Speaker And I think that that’s a I just think that’s incredibly powerful that he can do that very too as well.
Speaker I think he’s been in films that we were talking about, masked and Anonymous this morning. I mean, he’s been in films that I think are remarkable, actual films that, for whatever reason, don’t take. Yeah. And things that I know he’s had his heart set on that didn’t take home.
Speaker Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that he has fallen in love with things that just weren’t quite right for one reason or another. You know, that actually leads me to one other thing. And this is something I love that I I’ve been wanting to share. You know, being a young actor in this time is very difficult. There’s constant rejection. You’re dealing with people assessing you and judging you. And it’s incredibly competitive. I mean, there’s a whole list of actors my age who I have huge admiration for and I love their work and who I would always say, oh, yeah, I give it to them. And so I about a year ago, I hit a wall. It was really difficult. I was finding it hard to just get up in the morning, go on meetings. And it was around the time my grandmother passed away. And so I was just kind of in a funk and spiraling.
Speaker And I went up to Montana and spent some time with Jeff. And he hit me with this incredible bit of wisdom. Essentially, what would it amounted to was that. You know, why do you do it? Do you do it to. You know, for the fame, he knew that I didn’t do it for that, you know, do you do it for the money? There’s other ways to make money. He said, you do it for the experience. And he kind of he used a metaphor to describe it. He said it’s like we’re we’re dancing with this magical snake that we’re having this dance with. Right. And that’s the experience. That’s the thing. And then when the dance is done. You kill the snake and you sell it. A belt on the side of the road. And that’s the film that you give to the public, right. But that is not why you did it. You didn’t dance with this snake just so you could kill it and sell its skin on the side of the road. You danced with it because the dance is magical and it’s amazing.
Speaker And when he told me that, it just opened me up completely. And ever since then, I’ve just been throwing myself into the experience. It doesn’t matter if somebody is coming with some drama. Doesn’t matter if you’re worried about whether this thing is gonna be successful or not. You throw yourself into that moment and it’s just been incredibly freeing. And, you know, I don’t know if he was just filling me up with some something he thought I needed to hear or if this is I think it’s something he kind of lives by side of.
Speaker Yes. He needs some time to think the point about this to us actually seeing that you sort of shedding that skin as you go all the way through this and you sort of move the skin off the it’s that inner. It’s what’s inside. That’s scary.
Speaker Yeah. That’s probably that the idea that it was a shed skin is probably more. And he he didn’t talk about killing the snake.
Speaker I think I just added that. How? What you say. Yeah. It’s the dance with the snake. That’s what you’re after. Yeah. Now, what else happens? Yeah. It’s the body of the thing. I think he does. I think that was quite genuine. Yeah.
Speaker And and it’s for me, it’s been it’s like my philosophy of the way I live now. You know, and I think that that’s another kind of interesting Segway, is that beyond just being a a student of his as an actor. I. I’m a I’m a student of his spiritually. I think he he’s one of the most kind of evolved spiritual people who I’ve I’ve met. I hesitate to say enlightened because that has very specific connotations. But I think he spiritually is very evolved and and very dialed in. And so I that’s I love to just go and sit with him and just be quiet, you know, and just kind of. Take in the universe, because he he can do that in a way that very few people who I know can only do this. The dude abides. Yes, he does. He abides. And kind of the dude abides with a capital A.. He doesn’t just abide.
Speaker You know, he abides. You know, and then. And then that kind of resonates and it goes on and on.
Speaker Which speaking of, you know, speaking out, this is a written line that. Embodies it completely. Him.
Speaker Yeah. Well, and that’s the thing he does. I think until then he hadn’t. He didn’t know them, really. He he didn’t he. I think he’d maybe met them at a few parties or something, but he didn’t really know them. And so he was. I’ve heard him talk about he talked to me about how he he thought that they were like, you know, had cameras set up in his house or that they were interviewing his family and friends to find out things about him. But I guess they just dialed into something very intrinsic and his personality. And it was. And the genius of it is that what happens if we take this guy who is so, like dialed in and spiritual and we put him into a situation where he can’t rely on any of those things. And and the universe keeps on pulling the rug out on him quite late. Really? Really. Kind of. What is the line really puts the weir room together? Well, I was really ties the room together, right?
Speaker Yeah. This. I was actually saying John Goodman this morning to I went back to look at I am NDB from just last night and there’s a whole litany of script peace passages out of it. So I started reading all of them. And of course this is very funny to read it.
Speaker Very different to all the all the lines. Right. Yeah. Take a look at if you feel like you let it out while you’re reading it. Yeah. The more interesting thing about reading it is you look at that and think if you had you read it, not knowing this film, how it would be entirely differently. So having known the film, you’re reading it. You hear everybody. Yeah. And you hear their voices here, Shammy, and you hear John Goodman and you hear the night Shammy that he, like, barely says anything in the whole film.
Speaker Here’s a little doll that was another, like, crazy inside joke, because in every other film that he had worked, I think he had done maybe two or three other films for them. At that point. He had been incredibly verbose and just non-stop talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. And so that was what was hilarious about his performance in this film, is he would be like. And just be quiet. Yeah, and be shut out. Yeah. Shut up. Yeah. But yeah. And what was I just thinking. I was about to say something brilliant. I forget. Well, we talked about the script and. Oh, I know. I know. No, I was thinking just Lebowski in general. So we’re sitting there at this at the screening and my grandmother’s there and my aunt sending my dad and they were all laughing hilariously. You know, from the moment you see his jelly’s, which were his shoes, and we just were all thrilled at the end and stood up. And my grandma is sitting there like. I don’t know. And she she hated it. She hated Lebowski. She did not like to see her son. You know, with this long hair and slouching and, you know, and and for her, it’s all about the contender. She wants to see her son be the president of the United States of America. Then she was thrilled. But when he’s playing a deadbeat former roadie. She just wasn’t having any of it. She and it didn’t matter like the quality of the writing or, you know, the incredible cast or just the fact that he was this guy that probably smoked a little too much pot and complained a lot. She she couldn’t take it.
Speaker Well, it is funny because when you first see. I remember seeing it then. Mm hmm. And I’m not sure where in the canon this comes after what. But you’re used to it. You were used to seeing him at that point. Very definitely. Leading man. Gorgeous guy. Yeah. You know, even still with that great ease about him. This was not a pretty guy. No. As pretty as he is, this was not a pretty guy.
Speaker Yeah. No, not at all. He let it all hang out.
Speaker He really did. And I actually remember thinking looking at that and I then I hadn’t looked at I hadn’t looked at this film since then till I look at it several weeks ago. Was astounded again by how extraordinary it is. Just kind of another level, because now I was looking at it with this in mind. But I remember thinking then, wow, I can’t believe that this is him on some level.
Speaker So I can imagine well, imagine her thinking like, oh, no, that’s my son, you know. And I think she she just wanted to go in there and cut his hair and and shave him, clean him up. But yeah, no, that was just a funny little side note. What’s it was like her least favorite of his films.
Speaker What’s also interesting then again about him is that’s another leap that he takes because he you know, I would I I’m very intrigued by his choices. Sure. I like that, too. How about him that the choices are very deliberate and the choices are very specific.
Speaker And, you know, but I think unlike some, there are there are some wonderful actors out there, a lot of them, a lot of British actors who who make incredibly strong choices with physicality, who transform.
Speaker But the thing that I think really sets Jeff apart from the other, you know, kind of great actors of his generation is. There’s always a wonderful piece of him. In part, even if it’s as far from his own personality as I mean, take the contender. The bit with the food and, you know, kind of just the way that he related to food in that part, that was very much him.
Speaker And I also and yet I could never imagine, Jeff, you know, running for office and being the president of the United States. But but that was very much what we’re going to say.
Speaker I just I really hope that he got that from Lloyd. I am your grant. Yeah. Yeah, that was something, Lloyd. I mean, not nothing. Nothing.
Speaker Very. No. Yeah. But he was very specific about the way his food was prepared. Yeah. I lived with my grandparents just out of college and it took me about a month to figure out how he liked salmon. And so now whenever I make salmon, it’s like very particular. And I like it when people usually people overcook the hell out of salmon.
Speaker But I know how to make great salmon because my grandfather was very specific about how his food was prepared. Yeah. So let’s talk about how his legacy. I mean, you you and you speak of something that Jeff also spoke about this a different way. Famous father, his grandfather, he was just working out having the famous father. Sure. Two generations and famous uncle.
Speaker That I mean that.
Speaker Yes, it does. There’s a lot to carry and at the same time it’s a gift to carry.
Speaker So it you know, it’s the it’s the double edged sword thing. Primarily, primarily, it’s a positive.
Speaker My tearing you out?
Speaker No, I’m good right now. Right, right, right.
Speaker Thanks. Good luck.
Speaker So having grown up in a in a family where I have multi generations of incredible performers is challenging because they set the bar really high. But primarily, it’s a it’s a positive thing. It’s positive because I’ve I’ve had the benefit of being able to learn from them quite directly. And and they’ve given me a leg up. I mean, my father, you know, I got my union card working in a film my father directed. So, you know, I quite literally, I would not have the career that I have. Were it not for my family. So that’s something that I’m comfortable with, because I know that history is littered with the, you know, sons and daughters of famous people who either didn’t have the work ethic or didn’t have the talent or both or, you know, just weren’t willing to do it. And they didn’t have a career. So I feel like I I acknowledge my family and I’m proud of what my family’s accomplished. And I and utterly grateful that they’ve given me the opportunities that I’ve had. But I feel like now I’m you know, I’m making a case to just take a look at me for who I am.
Speaker OK. Yeah. Your dad, he said direct and indirect. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker It’s interesting. I you know, I’ve talked to him about it and because I think he actually has instincts as a director.
Speaker He certainly does, because we even experience some of it in what we’ve been doing.
Speaker Yeah, yeah. I mean, the couple of times I’ve watched him work or gone on set, you know, he’s very, very conscious of camera movement and camera Choi, you know, shot choices, shot selection. And I know that he really appreciates strong acting and he can guide the performance. But I think that he. I think for him, it would be. Somehow, earth bound. I don’t know, I think that it would. He would. I think he would feel too indebted to too many other people. Whereas as an actor, while you’re collaborating and you’re part of a big machine, your responsibility ultimately is only to yourself. And I think that’s something that really appeals to who he is. And I don’t think he would be uncomfortable directing now, not just not to say that he wouldn’t be good. No, I think he could be very good.
Speaker But yeah.
Speaker And, you know, that leads me. I’ve only worked with him one time when I was 12 years old.
Speaker I did my only kind of experience as a child actor was in this Disney movie of the week that my dad directed. And Jeff came on and he did a cameo, uncredited Little Little Day.
Speaker But I just watched it again recently with my kids and he was giving me nothing in this scene, meaning he was making me earn every bit of the scene that I could get. He wasn’t being like he wasn’t like kind of play the scene sort of nice because I was his nephew. He was treating me like another actor. Which watching it again. I was like. Wow. He’s making me earn that. He’s not he’s not just being kind of the nice neighborly guy. He made this very kind of strong choice and he came in and he worked that scene. I love that about him. I love that. You know, and I think this is probably true. You know, with. With people who he’s worked before, who are friends of his. I think that they’ll show up to set and, you know, oh, we have this history and you know. But no, he he’s going to bring it every time. And you and he really raises the game. I think you have to step up when you when you’re in there with him.
Speaker And I think that’s not visible and yet visible. Not that I would know it. Yeah. You know it. Yeah. I think when you around him and when you when you perceive him, when you think of him, you think, oh, he’s this laid back guy.
Speaker No, no. He’s a monster of an actor. You know, when you step into the ring with him, you better you better come with your A game. Better not be, you know, slouchy, better. You better be on top of it and working just as hard as he has because he’ll you know, he doesn’t care. You know, there’s not enough time in the world really. I think that if somebody is not taking the work as seriously as he does and is not as engaged in the in the process, I think he’ll kind of withdraw.
Speaker That’s not. This is just me hypothesizing. But I. I really feel that he has a great respect for for what we do.
Speaker And I also yeah. This is again, me surmising from some of the things he said and what you’re saying. And this is this was his kind of famous father reaction because he was speaking about this the other day. Yeah. He didn’t want to feel that people were doing favors for him. Oh, yeah. And so I think that, you know, what you do is perhaps compensate a little bit over the hand to be understood, to make that people understand. I don’t see myself as coming in here with privilege. Yeah. I see myself coming in. Here is one of anyone giving into films. I mean.
Speaker That’s right. And to earn earn the respect that through the work. I mean, that’s still something that I.
Speaker I do. I don’t advertise who I am or who I’m related to. I mean, if somebody I’m certainly I’m not going to change my name.
Speaker And I’m certainly you know, I don’t hide it, but I don’t make a point of going around telling people because I do want to earn the respect on my own. And actually, that’s something that I like, you know, in True Grit. I just wasn’t right for it. And Jeff, you know, was very supportive. But I respect the fact that, you know, he stopped short of throwing his weight around or anything like that. I think he that, to me, makes me excited for when I do get to work with him, because then I’ll know it’s it’s utterly legitimate. And it just makes me work harder. You know, every opportunity that I get, you know, I just keep on putting the work in harder and harder. And and in some ways, you know, I, I have a huge not in some ways I just. You know, point stop. I have a huge respect for that, for the fact that he is encouraging me to earn it on my own, on my own merits.
Speaker Interestingly enough, also yesterday he was having a real Vandi here. So I’m sure you know Chris Polonius. Yeah, I didn’t really talk to him on camera yet, but I chatted with him sort of at the end of when we were leaving. He said some of that said some of the same thing about the music. He said he’d met him however many years ago when he first came up to set up this sound studio. Yeah. And he said and I was. I came up here thinking. Jeff Bridges wants to have a sound studio. He said, but no, he took it very seriously. Oh, yeah. He said he comes at this not to have you think I’m Jeff Bridges musician or I like to play a little music. He and he and he was sort of exactly the same thing that he really comes at this with his whole self comes out. It was absolutely superb for every aspect of what it means, what it entails, what he what he had to do to earn it. You know, sure. He himself had to do to say, take me.
Speaker Take me seriously. Seriously. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I want to make a distinction, too, when I talk about him being serious and and putting a tremendous amount of energy into his work. I don’t mean to say that he doesn’t like the play, because I think in just when I’ve, you know, even back when I was 12 years old and then since then, when we’ve just kind of worked on things together, he’s incredibly playful in the work. And that was another thing we talked about. Is that so much of the time when you’re working? It’s not what’s happening when the cameras are rolling. That informs the work. It’s how you bond with people outside of that. And how you you kind of you you form a relationship with somebody that creates the palette that you’re going you’re going to paint with. So I think that he depending on how his character relates to somebody else’s character in the film. I think that he probably likes to have a lot of fun while he’s working.
Speaker Talk about who’s your uncle. Yeah, we’ve talked about it. A leisurely actor. Yeah. How about your uncle, a guy? Well, I mean that we are a little kid. You don’t know any of these people.
Speaker Yeah. No, I mean, my my first. My first memories of him just as my uncle.
Speaker I think that he always. I always like to take a minute. You we at these big family functions. He would always take a minute to spend some real time with me, whether we would be sitting down at the piano. You know.
Speaker That’s all right. Thank you, sir. Thank you. You’re quite quite yourself. Great. So many things I can gab. You can get good.
Speaker Really right on. Yeah. Comes in.
Speaker Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker Yes, we do our time, and it’s just after 3:00. All right, tell me tell me what you got your time. I’m I’m I’m pretty open. I mean, I’m going to keep you for the rest of your life here. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I’ll I’ll probably be talked out in a little while, but I got a couple of things. Yeah. No, please bring it. That’s what I need is his guidance because it’s just it’s it’s a very it’s a big wash of you. It is like emotion and you’re kind of abstract stuff, but. So it’s helpful.
Speaker Well, I actually like that remark. It’s a big rush of emotion. Well, you may have to. We have to ask you.
Speaker All right. We can do an actor and we can do a take two of them.
Speaker But it’s nice that thought, because that is. I think it’s absolutely.
Speaker How old are your kids? Seven and four. Yeah. Yeah. They’re they’re great. And it’s interesting, too, because my daughter is now. The age I was when my real conscious memories.
Speaker He’s four now, she’s seven. I mean, my my my son, you know, I have very distant memories of when I was like three or four. And it’s usually like carpet or a chair or, you know, my mother’s perfume or something like that. But in terms of like. Strong memories of specific events for me that didn’t really kick in until I was about seven or eight. So it’s interesting that she’s at that point now.
Speaker Kind of say you’re your grandmother had great grandchildren.
Speaker She got her and she really got to know my daughter very well. Oh yeah. And we, you know, we still keep her memory alive.
Speaker Oh, yeah. Lalala we. Yes. We were all just in the general’s army.
Speaker I don’t even know the story of how she got that title.
Speaker I don’t know when she. I feel like it was some it was during my lifetime that. That she started to be called that, but I don’t know.
Speaker No, I don’t know the history of the general.
Speaker Well, we talk about where we’re we’re talking about. Why do your first memories.
Speaker Oh, yeah. So. Yeah. So some of my earliest memories of Jeff are being at some kind of big family function.
Speaker And Jeff taking the time out to really kind of connect with me, whether we would, you know, maybe sit down and draw or sit at the piano.
Speaker And he would teach me, you know, an Everly Brothers song or something like that or. Or just kind of, you know, talking to me not not like a kid, but talking me like a person. And having being really genuinely interested and what was going on with me. And that’s something that’s persisted. I have no talent visually as a as a visual artist. I cannot draw to save my life. But I whenever I’m with him for an extended period of time, I always like to find time to play music with him. And and I’d like to. We like to just sit and talk. Talk about life.
Speaker He he has been a very, you know, important part of my life just in his sort of spiritual guidance and in his creative support and encouragement. You know, there’s one huge thing that I haven’t even touched on here. And this is my godmother, Sue, who was my godmother before. She was my aunt. So she was friends with. No, no. She was dating Jeff. She was dating Jeff. And when I was born, they weren’t married yet. And I think my mother felt that they should be married and that Sue should have an official title. So she made Sue my godmother. And also, they were they really connected. And my mom really loved Sue. So I take great pride in that, that I had. I had an official with I had an official relationship with Sue, you know, ordained before anyone else. I think I think Sue is Sue is the glue. I think Sue is the, you know, the rock and Jeff’s life from which he’s able to take flight. She’s just an extraordinary woman, one of the one of the strongest women I’ve ever known.
Speaker And, you know, I think I I don’t have enough positive things to say about her. Yeah. I love her so much. And I think that.
Speaker For me there, their marriage is really a wonderful point of inspiration, the way that they’re able to make it work, the way that they, you know, they give each other time, you know.
Speaker And I’m I’m just in awe of how they’ve they’ve managed to do it.
Speaker Well, it seems so. They’re there in the tradition of your grandparents. I mean, it seems like there was a strong it was a very strong message there or a very strong example there. And it seems to me that it permeates all of you, all of this, their children. And to some extent and yeah, it seems that is interesting to me that just I always like the generational.
Speaker Yeah. And, you know, it’s not to say like just like any normal people, they. And I know they’ve had challenges and and things to overcome. But there’s just this I don’t know. I think that there’s just something so strong there and such a intrinsic understanding of each other’s needs. I mean, she really she knows what he needs more than himself.
Speaker I think sometimes. And I think that sometimes maybe that frustrates him. I don’t know.
Speaker But I know I, I think that she she she really gets him and, you know, she’s just so grounded. And I think that’s also the kind of yin and yang of that.
Speaker There’s another reason why they really work together.
Speaker All right. Now I want to back up again. Yes. Sorry. I had you know, I like that. Yeah. This is exactly as lovely directors with him. We were talking a little bit with him because I was kind of thinking as he talked about his Academy Award nominations, three of five are first time directors. Yeah, fascinating. And then on the other hand, though, he’s got this other litany of the greats. He’s got Houston, he’s got Lumet, he’s got Comilla. He’s got Ridley Scott. He’s got.
Speaker But down a bit. Yeah, although down DANOVITCH Well, that wasn’t a news show, Last Picture Show is his second. That was the second. I didn’t know that. I thought that was his first. Second. OK. Camino’s first for Thunderbolt. And you’ve what, Mike? Yeah. Uh, what was next? Laurie. Laurie. Rod Laurie. That’s German. No, he didn’t. No, he did. The contender. Contender, right. Yeah. Yeah. Three. Mm hmm. Uh, well. And then just recently, Cooper is a new one. Yeah. Scott was. That was his first time.
Speaker So what’s the first one?
Speaker I the fourth month starting, well, starting now. John Carpenter has made hundreds of films. But in a way, it was a departure for him. You saw it?
Speaker Yeah, it was one of the five essentially three absolute first timers. Sure. Out of its second film. Yeah. Yeah. And so there’s another aspect of him that’s so fascinating that he seems to be attracted to these guys and not the experience. The experience or part for them is not an issue. If he likes it at the same time, he is in thrall of these the greats, the greats, the greats.
Speaker I mean, I think that. Yeah, sure. No, I think that that’s an astute observation. I think that he. I think he likes or is is perhaps drawn to people who are doing work that is fresh and new, that people who aren’t who haven’t kind of been tainted by the system.
Speaker And he’s excited by that.
Speaker So, yeah, well, I mean, I think Tron is another one that was, I think, a first time director. Actually, I know it was the first one and the second one, too. Yeah. Interestingly enough. Yeah. Yeah. I think that was the thing because that was a very risky thing to get involved with at the time. I know a lot of other actors kind of ran scared from it and weren’t interested. But I think for Jeff, prophetic of him. Yeah, I think he was just so excited by the technology and the opportunity to kind of play in a forum that had never really been tried before.
Speaker And what’s interesting, too, is that, you know, the bit of technology in the 3D animation that we saw in that film that’s gone on. But there were some technologies that they did with the suits that have never been used since then and weren’t I don’t think they they did them again in the new film. They did it in a completely different way because they were all hand drawn. And I remember coming coming over to his house. It was around Christmas time and he had the suit and he put it on and stuff and just kind of paraded around and. We I we just didn’t get it. We didn’t know because it was just this white suit with, like kind of gray lines and we didn’t really know how that was gonna be made into this extraordinary thing. But I’m really excited. I’m a big sci fi geek. So I’m I’m hugely excited for Tron and I love the film. I just watched it again recently.
Speaker Yeah. And just a little aside from sorry, I’m going to take his drawings and animate them in this film. Oh, great. Thank you. That will be fun. Yeah. I’m hoping that we’ll be able to have these little creatures of his. He’s got to give me. He’s got to give me some art. But you know.
Speaker Well, he’s got you know, there’s a lot. If you look at his art, there’s a lot of reoccurring themes. There’s the the the world pulls. He has these whirlpools. And it’s interesting. I feel like. And that kind of. That might go into the idea of him trying not to do it. Of feeling like he’s being sucked into something and then his whole his action is that he’s he’s swimming away from it. And then when he gets sucked into the hole, it’s like he. I think he he gives himself over to it completely, but that’s sort of one of his motifs. He loves the Labrinth and he. I don’t know if you did you see the Labrinth at the house there in the grass.
Speaker It this time around. Tell me that went to another means.
Speaker We went to a fabulous friend of Alan’s down the street.
Speaker East Valley who built the woman with hedges. Oh, here’s the Wizard of Oz. Oh, cool. With mirrors. So you can see all the way through. From looking in from the beginning, you can see there’s like five years that show you all the way to the end. The move to find your way there.
Speaker Oh, that’s cool. Now, can you get lost in this one?
Speaker Yeah. There’s some places OK to turn around. Then there’s a yellow brick road with your shoes on.
Speaker Oh wow. Whereas this is it. A private thing is are my friends. Oh, it’s just like in his backyard or something.
Speaker Oh, cool. Which property there in Muncie. Oh, nice. So we took Jeff over there and showed shot with a Steadicam. Going through. Going through. Nice.
Speaker Well we came up with a whole scene. This is what you were talking. He directed basically.
Speaker He directed a whole little mini movie idea. Yeah. I woke up and said, let’s let’s let’s think about. We’re there. Yeah. And we got there. Okay. Well, we going to do. And he made up this.
Speaker He’s like, okay, here’s what it’s going to be. Oh yeah. He likes to take the helm. But Jeff actually he taught me the difference between a labyrinth and a maze. Now a maze. You get lost. Yeah. It’s very easy to you know, you have to make a correct choice in whether you turn right or left.
Speaker And I think this is very it gets to the point of who he is because he does not like to make decisions. You can talk to Sue about this. He I mean, I think that’s one of the things that he finds it very difficult to to decide on whether or not to do a movie. But the wonderful thing about a Labrinth is you don’t have to make any choice. You always go to the middle a labyrinth. Basically, you walk the path and all roads lead to the to the middle. You can’t get lost. You’re always going right to the heart of things. And I think that to him is what I think that’s why he loved it, is because he didn’t have to decide that the path decides for him. And I think that’s kind of indicative of how he lives. I mean, I think he he sets his path and he walks it in and lives and breathes it. Then he is who he is and.
Speaker Well, you have been thinking that I would call this maybe I’m amazed because of this thing we did with him. And this is a very nice way to get me.
Speaker Yeah. Yeah. Because he I always thought of a of of a Labrinth as being the same thing as amaze.
Speaker I thought it was just sort of a another word for maze. But there’s this distinction that you can’t get lost. You’re always going home.
Speaker To end end, the Whirlpool’s kind of fell into this.
Speaker It’s kind of like that. You know, he walks on the labyrinth and then the whirlpool is in the middle and that takes him into wherever else he’s going.
Speaker I love this. Yeah. I mean, I can’t. You happy? I’m more than happy. Yeah. I don’t know. Really lovely. I asked you. Yeah. I wanted. Sure.
Speaker Your father. Just a little bit. Nine years into your father. You know what? I don’t get this long. Long. Thing. One of the things that he actually started talking to me about was his birth, his own birth, which was traumatic. So he didn’t want to leave. Yeah. Yeah. Considers this to be part of the reason that he’s reluctant. You know, Dad, on the other hand, does your dad have these same kinds of little demons?
Speaker Or does he come at this in a very. No. Yeah, no. Do even I just know my dad my dad loves to work.
Speaker He he really enjoys being on the job. And so I think that whenever, you know, he’s discerning, he know he likes to be involved with quality work, but. But he doesn’t experience that. I think that when there is something that has exciting elements in it, as long here, he he has a lot of attention on story. He likes to tell a good story.
Speaker And as long as it’s telling a good story, he’ll he’ll jump on it, you know, and throw himself into it, you know, and I think that’s one of the things I admire about my dad, is that whether it’s, you know. Doing a public service announcement, which he’s not even getting paid for or, you know, doing Jerry Maguire, he’s going to bring the same work ethic and the same energy.
Speaker Do take to Samite. One of the things I appreciate about my dad’s work and the way that he works is that he’ll bring the same energy to his his work, no matter what it is, whether it’s a PSA or Jerry Maguire. And I think that that’s something that sets him apart. Yeah.
Speaker So he but he he loves to work. Yeah. He he just he loves to work. So I think that he doesn’t have that same problem.
Speaker A tremendous accessibility, though, about both of them. And I think that comes through all the time. These are regular guys. These are really. This is the real deal. Yeah. All the time. Yeah. And that’s an enormous. It’s an amazing quality.
Speaker I mean, I think well, even even if they come out, even if it is a different route to get them there, that’s I mean I think that a lot of that has to do with my grandparents and how they were raised in spite of, you know, being sort of in Hollywood and all of the things that people relate to, that they had a very normal, quote unquote, childhood. I mean, they you know, my father was a huge jock, you know, wanted to really invest in sports. Jeff wanted to be a rock and roll star. You know, how many millions of American kids around this country have exactly the same aspirations as they did? And I think that that’s why people love to watch them is I think they’re very kind of quintessentially American men.
Speaker And they’ve they’ve kind of evolved in the way that, you know, because there’s this there’s the kind of classic American man who who, you know, spoke through his actions and didn’t say much and, you know, or the gray flannel suits. And I think that as that’s evolved, you know, American men have actually learned to be more expressive. And I think that’s why my dad and my uncle appealed to so many people because they’re able to still kind of. Contain that American ness or whatever. While while being a little bit more emotionally expressive and I feel like you can know these guys. Yeah, you can talk to them. I mean, and they are both, you know, very approachable. I mean, in public, it’s neither of them, you know, high. I mean, I think Jeff can get a little he’ll get a little overwhelmed in certain circumstances like anyone would. You know, it’s a lot of pressure when everyone wants to shake your hand and wants to sit down and talk with you. But under the right circumstances, he doesn’t care who a person is. No. Yeah. He’ll talk to anybody. And he’s very open and interested. Yeah.
Speaker You know, he’s told engaged that some people, various friends and people that he’s like that I just heard so far. And I’m very struck by that as well. And he has this sort of rogue’s gallery. Yeah. Of people that appeal to him.
Speaker That’s right. And some of them are, you know, famous people. But some of them are ranchers, you know. You know, some of them I think that he he likes people that.
Speaker Ah, ah, ah. Kind of against the grain.
Speaker Who are? Putting their own stamp on things. But, you know, that can be somebody from any walk of life.
Speaker I’ve got too many things. Yeah. Is the Oscar funny enough? Crazy Heart? Yeah. Funny way. Reprises a little bit of the do it just because I mean, here’s this birddog. I think that’s right. I was actually so happy it didn’t become The Wrestler Rocci the Wrestler music. I was so glad that it sort of came around the other side of it. Yeah. You start out at the beginning of this watching him back up like mad. Mess up like mad. Yeah.
Speaker And I mean, again, there’s this little path continues on.
Speaker It was, I think.
Speaker I think Crazy Heart was the amalgamation of his life to this point.
Speaker I think this was the you know, he had been driving towards this role, you know, for most of his adult life. And what a kind of wonderful gift for him to be able to play that.
Speaker And for me, I have a little I feel a little bit of responsibility because I worked with Maggie years ago and at the premier of our movie, she came up to Jeff and she was like, I’m going to work with you. So I feel like I had a small role and I played a small part of that because they were so wonderful together. It was great watching them work together. I you know, one of my favorite scenes in a lot of people kind of talk about. His breakdown and really those intense things.
Speaker But I love the scene when he loses the kid in the mall that resonate as a parent, that had huge resonance with me. And I liked how he the way he you know, he played a he felt terrible. Many, you know, I don’t know. I just think it’s a it’s a wonderful performance.
Speaker It’s what I agree with you. Yeah. I’m just talking about that scene the other day because to me, I find it interesting in the script that’s a deal breaker for her. And the reason I felt that way is, yes, it just what you’re saying people have experienced is he wasn’t even the kid walks away. This wasn’t even then. Yeah. So he’d become so out of it that he was you know, this is every night where we think he wasn’t passed out drunk. No. And so I said, well, you know, of course, obviously isn’t this. Whenever I would have loved it, had that script done just the opposite. And somehow or other, she had been able to understand that this was exactly his worst nightmare. Yeah, exactly his worst nightmare. But within the context of this.
Speaker You know, it’s interesting. I, I, I like that that closed it for her because for me, I, I if somebody I don’t care, you know, how justified it would have been if somebody had lost my kid for the amount of time it takes for the security to get involved and to call me away from work. And that’s it. You’re done with me. And and and but what I did like was that, you know, she they had a future as friends and you know that I like the kind of sustained note in the end. I like that, you know, they’re not going to get together. But, you know, he’s getting his life together.
Speaker And that’s kind of the more important story. I agree with you, you know. But it’s interesting. I think that that’s. But that’s good. That as an order, I think the audience should want that, you know, they should want him changed. This is all he’s really a great guy. He just, you know, it could happen to anybody. This is goes to show you my romantic. Yeah. Oh, sure. Sure, sure. I mean, but, you know, he was in a bar and. Yeah.
Speaker But that resonated with me with with with the kids. I. Anything I mean, it can be a commercial and, you know, some kid goes looking for his mommy and then I’m weeping and it’s all over for me. Yeah. So there you are.
Speaker I mean, here he is now. He gets I mean, it was a really extraordinary moment, I think.
Speaker It was amazing. Wordless standing. Oh, are you. Were we. I mean, and we you know, we all we all watched on TV and then we rushed out to meet him after he had worked his way through the press and.
Speaker Oh, God, it was great. It was you know, we we’ve all felt that every time he’s been up for deserved it. So this this was really it was wonderful. So proud. And I think a great that he’d get it for that one was great because it had a lot of meaning for him.
Speaker I know. And it was, again, sort of here he puts his faith in this guy in this story. And again, just what you said before, this had nothing to do with what was to be gained out of felt that you felt that all the way through to perform.
Speaker Oh, and the thing is that this film could have been, you know, only available at your local video store. It’s a it’s a miracle that it got the release that it did and that the Fox people got behind it in the way they did it. I think that, you know, that’s just a testament to the strength of the performance that it did manage to find its way and navigate the Whirlpool’s. Yeah. Again, for the ladies. Yeah.
Speaker One more thing. And I know you you can say this and I’m not asking you to pick a favorite, but when you as a kid, you watch much. All of it. Been there. Been there. Been there. Look at this is on a huge filmography. What are the standard? What is this one of the great standouts for you as a performance from him?
Speaker Or several. Yeah. I mean, well, because of where I was, I think Star Man really stands out for me.
Speaker I was very impressionable. I think I was about eight or nine years old when that movie came out.
Speaker That really resonates. And also it’s kind of. You know, and it is like apples to oranges, I think, with his work. But there was so much going on and so much to admire. I mean, in that I, you know, now watching it. I can still sort of throw myself into the story, but just watching it technically and watching what he was able to do and get away with, I was actually talking to an actor recently. Two to Char’s parliamentary who plays my father in this show I’m doing. And he just said that, you know, any other actor doing that would be another for. And I think it’s the fact that Jeff committed so much to being a fool. And it was not afraid of those things that made it. Just saying I mean it and and touching. And, you know, not I don’t think there’s one second when the the conceit of the performance you where you feel like, oh, he’s he’s not really possessed by an alien, he’s just doing this weird stuff. It’s he’s so committed, you know, so completely committed to the performance. So that probably. But so many. I mean, I love. I love. I mean, there’s also the difference between the films that I love and the performances that I love. Not always the same thing. But I love the Fisher King. I love.
Speaker I actually some of my favorite work was, oh, Alan, you might have to help me with the Tightwads. The Gilliam film.
Speaker Yeah. Tidelands talking about it before. I love his work in Thailand. Oh it is. He’s done. Yes, he’s dead.
Speaker He’s dead throughout most of the film. And any actor who’s ever had to be dead on stage or or be passed out knows how difficult that is. And so that was to me, kind of an incredible performance to watch, too.
Speaker I love watching him in Thailand, and Gilliam’s probably my favorite director. So that’s, you know, another I love the Fisher King and some of the Fisher King. Oh, really? Paying course was outside my window. Oh, guy I. The fire horse. Yeah.
Speaker And I didn’t I didn’t movie with Gilliam about that. Oh wow. I totally got him to tell me.
Speaker And I hear that maybe Bob Duvall is going to go back in and they’re gonna finish the Don Quixote movie isn’t. My God. I know that’s a rumor. Yeah. Oh yes. Amazing. I don’t know how true that is.