Speaker Well, I was living in Barry Diller's house because my own house was rented and I had just moved back from New York. So I was living in Barry's house and David was there and I'd never met David or heard about him before. And like everybody in the world that, you know, you get captivated by his enthusiasm and his excitement for things. And we became very fast friends right away.
Speaker What was he talking about that were there?
Speaker Well, one of the things was Ray, so I liked him immediately. He's very enthusiastic about me. And he loved the movies and music business.
Speaker I didn't know that much about, you know, what he did at the time. And he'd discovered Laura Nyro and Joni Mitchell and Jackson Browne and all these fabulous people. And I was really impressed with his ability, you know, to to discover those kinds of people.
Speaker So you haven't been really aware of him before?
Speaker No, I really hadn't.
Speaker So where do you take your first date? I think to a premiere, but David was probably the most aggressive suitor I've ever had in my life here. I just came at me like a heat missile. You know, he just was very determined. And I was going to Acapulco to do a photo shoot. And he showed up there and he was just amazing. He was just very, very persistent. And so I started going out with him and we had a lot of fun.
Speaker Tell us about your time together.
Speaker Well, we're a lot alike. I don't know, you know, how much you know about us together, but we're a lot alike. We're very outspoken and blunt and we have a good B.S. meter on us and. And were loyal. Fiercely loyal.
Speaker David, I think, is really an Italian. He's very much like my whole family. Very mafia, like, very protective of his friends. And I've never really known anybody who's that protective of his friends. If you if you turn on one of David's friends, he won't let you go. He'll really be after you. And a couple of times in my life of knowing him, he has done things that I have found amazing. A particular reviewer gave me a bad review in a newspaper, and I heard at a party that he went up to this man and just chewed about it. How dare you say those things about my friend Marlo? And then another time as a producer and I were battling for a book and this man did something kind of underhanded. And David called him on it.
Speaker And twenty five years later, David still doesn't like him. So he's he's very fiercely loyal like that. He's blunt about it. And I think it comes from a he doesn't have a need to be liked. He doesn't do things to be liked. He does things because he either believes in them or is excited about them. But he doesn't do it in order to look good or or be liked. And I think that's why he's been as successful as he's been and why he has such good friends. Because he's really he's really their.
Speaker What was his professional life during the time you were together?
Speaker Well, he became the. I don't remember the title, but I think it was a production of Warner Brothers. And he was fired by Ted Ashley, which was a blow because David was never fired by anybody. He just was on a, you know, a trajectory of going up, which was a big shock to him.
Speaker And I remember we flew to East Hampton to speak to Steve Ross about it. And then Steve offered him, I think was vice chair of of all of Warners Company, which David took, though he said at the time was a useless job, but it was an interim sort of title. And then it was soon after that that he was diagnosed with cancer. And so then it all became moody. All he cared about was getting better. And then once he found out he didn't have cancer, he thought, well, the hell with the whole thing. I'm going to enjoy my life. I've made enough money.
Speaker And I think it really did turn his life around. That's what he's sorry to lecture at, I think NYU and UCLA. But that was a really interesting time. I was in Barbados at the time when he called me and said I was with Phil actually in Barbados. And. And David called me and said that he'd been diagnosed with cancer, bladder cancer. So I got on the next plane to come home and got an appendicitis attack. If I hadn't come home, I probably would be dead in Barbados. But anyway, I got home and he had this first operation and and I didn't trust the doctor in Beverly Hills. I just didn't think he was that good. And so I got him another doctor in New York and he came to New York. And it turned out he did not have cancer. So I wanted him to sue the doctor. I thought it was important to sue him so that people were warned against this person because, you know, we don't need to be told we have something we don't have and have operations that are unnecessary.
Speaker But he might say that between the first diagnosis, I was at least three.
Speaker Oh, yes. OK. I didn't know was three years now.
Speaker Well, anyway, he had the first operation and he was told that he was getting over it or he was better, whatever. I just never trusted it. And I told him that I wanted him. I think it was about a three year time to see this other doctor who was the who was really an expert at bladder cancer. And so he saw him and was told that it was a misdiagnosis. And that's when I said to David, I think you should sue the doctor in Beverly Hills. He said he didn't want to. I said, but it's important as a service for everybody else that nobody else go to this guy. We don't need to be mis diagnosed with cancer and have that fear and and operations that we don't need. But it was interesting because David is such a fighter for everybody and for his own life, too. He said, I don't want to I want it to be over. I don't want to have this unpleasantness in my life anymore. And so I'm I'm just gonna let it go. But I wanted to sue this doctor.
Speaker I thought I thought he should have that really interesting character. Yeah. For him, not right. First of all, uncharacteristic. Not good not to get a second opinion. Right.
Speaker And then I just wanted to go. So during that time that he moved back to New York. He was trying to have a good time. Yeah, it was. And but he must've been going through some. I think that's kind of immortality. Did he speak?
Speaker Well, we talked about it, but I think he felt he wasn't on chemo or or radiation or anything. So I I think he felt that it was over and now he was going to do something that more were less stressful with his life, have more fun, but also be contributing to society and the world with what he knew. And he felt he could really teach that and that excited him. And I think one of the things, as I said before, that makes David successful. And whatever he does is he does what excites him and that excited him to tell other people about how to do it and to find their way. So it was also it was a growth time and it was a pulling back time and a peaceful time in many ways. Did you ever go to one of his classes?
Speaker No, no.
Speaker I think I would have intimidated him when he found out he was OK and decided to get back into this back together, which was very different from asylum. Very different in terms of is involved. He didn't leave business. He stay in the business. He took out some time between the diagnosis. Well, first of all, he got fired by actually then he went to Warner Brothers. He was a movie. Right? I'm telling you, this isn't just reminded.
Speaker He got fired by Ted, actually, when he was vice, when he was the chairman of production at Warner Brothers after Arthur actually fired him, as when we went to see Steve Ross in East Hampton to have a discussion about it, which is when Steve made him vice president of vice chair of the whole shebang, which was, as David said at the time, this is a useless job, but I'll take the title for a while that that's when that all happened. I don't really remember after that is after that's when he was diagnosed. And I don't remember exactly what one given records came. But I remember when he went to do to put together Geffen Records again, he was very excited about it and going through the names of the people that he really wanted to have on the on the new label. And then he built that into somewhat such a much bigger organization.
Speaker Why do you think his time when he sold asylum? He was ready to take on something. And you always want to be as you probably know him.
Speaker But what's that? What's fascinating about David is that when he got to the William Morris agency in the mailroom and Barry Diller and all those young guys that were brilliant were all going into the movie business. And he looked around and he said to many guys want to go in the movie business. I've got to find another niche. So he picks the music business. It wasn't like he had this dying need to be a a music mogul. He knew that he could get in there and do his own thing and become successful rather than compete with a thousand guys who wanted to be in the movie business. That's what's so smart about him. You know, to take that on. And then, of course, he had a golden touch, his mom. I don't know if you've talked anybody who knew, but. Yeah, yeah, I did know Botch. And she was wonderful. And she she called David. She always said David had golden hands. She called him King David. And she really, I think, believed in him so totally that he had a tremendous amount of of confidence in enabling from her vote. We've always talked about the fact that I had a father like that. He had a mother like that. And we really do feel that that's been a big foundation for us. Don't. I mean, as individuals, I remember once, David, I had had David and Roger came to my parents house for Thanksgiving and touchier had it in her mind that my father was Jewish.
Speaker A lot of people thought Danny Thomas was Jewish. So she came to our house and there are these priests at the table and the last supper carving of the big wall and the dining room. Joe was an artisan. She couldn't believe she'd looked around that my son is going out with a girl who was a Jewish and her father's daddy, Thomas. How is that possible? So it was very funny.
Speaker You said.
Speaker I'm so glad you said that about budget, because, I mean, I, I, I sort of gathered that. But it's almost impossible to understand how somebody who came out of his bathroom. Could have had that cell phone. But it must come.
Speaker Well, I mean, this is the zone DNA, as we all have. I mean, you know, from families, are there going to be 12 children? And just a couple of them have that kind of will. This is a great will to have come out of what he came out of. But his mother was an amazing woman. I don't know how much you know about her, but she was an amazing woman. You want me to talk about her at all? Great. Well, I think you know that when she was a little girl, she lived in the Ukraine and they were afraid for her because they were stone little Jewish kids in the Ukraine at that time. And so her family sent her to Romania. And from there she found her way through the years to Palestine where she met David's father. So she was really a very willful woman. And and she gave that to David. David told me a wonderful story once about he was a little boy and he had saved seventeen dollars to buy a radio and he'd saved and saved and saved. And finally he had the seventeen dollars and he said to his mother, today, I'm going to buy my radio, I have the seventeen dollars. And she said, well go ahead. Now if you buy the radio you won't have the seventeen dollars anymore. But if you don't buy the radio you can always buy the radio. I mean it's just an amazing thought to say to a kid. So the fact that you have the seventeen dollars, you've still got the seventeen dollars and you can always buy a radio. What a great. Well that's the way you know. And I think that's got to be in there somewhere to.
Speaker The are you aware that that when they became very successful and he brought back here to Los Angeles and got her house, that she would come to events and people would go.
Speaker That's the explanation. No.
Speaker Now, I've read everything there is to read about David, so I I'm aware at least the story goes that you actually are the person who suggested, Steve Ross, that you bring David in at an executive position.
Speaker Well, for the war over there for the weekend, we went for the weekend and to find out what had happened. It is again, David doesn't take things easily. You know, he was fired and that was a big shock. And so he said, let's go to East Tamara. So we did. We went there for the weekend and well over the weekend. Yes, I did have a conversation with Steve Ross. How about the fact that how could you possibly lose a piece of talent like David?
Speaker So, David, as you know, you said it yourself very thin on this. Right, right. Right, right, right, right. And all of a sudden, he encountered for the first time something he couldn't control and it didn't do well. And he got a huge blow. Why do you think it didn't?
Speaker I think it had to do with personalities. It always does in a case like that, I think they just didn't meld first while he was working for Ted Ashley. I don't think David's the kind of person who could work for Ted, actually, or maybe anybody, but certainly not in that situation. David has to be the guy who runs the runs. The situation makes his own decisions. So for David, have to go to somebody else's office and say, can I do this? Is it couldn't work. So I think really it was the situation and the personalities. And Ted Ashley wasn't about to give David the studio. So it was a battle.
Speaker Did he talk with you? I mean, you're one of his closest friends. And certainly and I know you really stood by him, but did he ever speak with you about how that did?
Speaker I don't know that he took it as a failure in that way. I think he was angry about it, which is why we went to went to these Tampa RACC Ross. If he was feeling, you know, smaller, which is what you feel if you feel a failure. He wasn't feeling smaller. He was feeling angry. And let's get to the bottom of this. And what is this? And I don't know if David was thinking if we spoke to Steve Ross, just hung out there for the weekend and had these conversations, he was going to get the job back. I don't think that was is his thinking. It was really to clarify it and not just let it go like some some guy who just got thrown out of somewhere. You don't throw David Geffen out of someplace. So I think when we went there, it was really just to clear the air, clarify the situation. And then, of course, I know I had some talks to Steve very.
Speaker So how were you together?
Speaker Well, we're still the. I don't really know. I'm not good about things like that. I'm really here to some of them. But you work. Yes, we dated. Huh?
Speaker About those years. What did what did you do? Were you at all surprised at this relationship?
Speaker Well, as I said, David was the most persistent suitor I ever had in my life. And in many ways, I'm not surprised at all anymore that I'm surprised that we remain such good friends. We talk all the time on the phone. He's a very affectionate man, as I'm sure you know. He always says we orchids on my birthday whenever I call it a sweetheart. It's always there's a tremendous amount of affection and love coming from him and warmth that comes from him. So I don't know that that wasn't surprising that I would be attracted to somebody who had that much to give. And was that loving and kind and enthusiastic? You know, when David concentrates on you for even a dinner, it's fun. I mean, he's very interested. I've never talked to him where he does all the talking about himself. He's always asking about me, always giving me advice constantly. In fact, I mean, when he tells me, get out of the stock market, I get out of the stock market, does it go back at the stock? Go back in the stock market? I remember when I was going out with Phil and I really was crazy about Phil, but I never wanted to be married. And David and I were still very, very close. And one day he's.
Speaker I'm sorry. I'm always forgetting the about the reflood.
Speaker Got to get your story.
Speaker Don't forget the beginning, I say take off your cell. You know, you look at the Israeli pop culture history and we're back up and I'll take it as a rock out there on every third rock.
Speaker Don't find it. And so I think that's kind of the story, you know, kind of looking at all these things that this man was it was connected with.
Speaker And it's across many, many fields. I think his primary influence has probably been in. In the music, because that's what he was hands on, involved this whole asylum years and all those incredible singers and singer songwriters, and he really is the guy who brought that movement and made a label out of it.
Speaker The rest is history. But it's an extraordinary story. But with but because he didn't write the songs and direct the movies, if there's no creative process to explore in the movie. So what we have to try to do to get a dramatic element to it and to get people to to be emotionally involved is to tell as many stories. Yes, we can.
Speaker Right. So the more of those that you can come up with 20 stories. I understand he's hysterically funny. He is. I have seen that because. I mean, because, you know, I mean, we're at home and he's pretty intense about it.
Speaker And I mean, I know he can be funny, but I haven't heard him tell it. It's incredibly funny stories. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker Yeah. Because he's a little, you know, formal.
Speaker I talked him today and I said, so are you feeling OK? Zero four five Segador. I said, You're doing great. Yes, I'll get better. I'll get better. And that is the kind of guy who will look at his stuff and go, OK. I see. I didn't do that.
Speaker I can do that better next time. That's nice. Yeah. In that way. But so bringing him a alive and insight into him and not just what makes him tick, but what.
Speaker Well, one of the things about him as a friend is he's a very clear thinker. He's very practical. You know, like I said, if he tells you to go on the stock market, go and if he tells you to get out, get out. He's he's thought it out and he wants to pass on the good advice to his friends. And I think his advice is something that he wants to pass on to you. So when I was going with Phil and and and everybody would say, why aren't you marrying him? And I just never wanted to be married. And one day. David, now we're talking about. He said, why are you marrying him? I said, you know, I don't really think I want to get married. I'm really it's not for me. And he said, you know, the problem with you is you have too many options. And you know what's wrong with having too many options if you don't play one? You might as well not have any. It's such an interesting thing to say, and I think about that all the time in all kinds of situations in my life. If you don't play one, you might not have any. That's so practical. I mean, it's not emotional, as I've said, a mental you know, if you love him, play it.
Speaker And I love it. It meant a lot to me when he said that. It's also why. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker Yes, there's a lot of wisdom and his advice, and I think that's why I take it, you know. I think all of his friends take it, buddy. But he thinks about it from another angle. No way that other people don't think about it. That makes a dent in your own thinking. And that's that's fun.
Speaker Let's go back a moment, Steve Ross. What do you know about his relationship with Steve Ross? Do you feel that you could talk about that?
Speaker I don't really know much about his relationship, Steve.
Speaker There's a complicated relationship. I don't know much about David. Are you aware that David had a series of of sort of father figures in his life? He ever talk to you about his father?
Speaker I know a little bit about his father, but I don't feel comfortable talking about it.
Speaker But he did. He had a number. Yes. Ahmed didn't know.
Speaker Probably not my last, but I think Steve was a really huge fan.
Speaker Definitely. A lot of ups and downs. Yeah.
Speaker What do you think he would say, his proudest achievements?
Speaker His proudest achievements. I think I think he's probably very proud not only of his music career and discovering all those people and helping them, but I think he's very proud of the fact that he created a studio. There really isn't anybody that the men that created studios were somewhere in the 20s and 30s for him to have created a studio. And really, he was the person who created that studio. I know that's one of his accomplishments and it's amazing that he was able to do it. And it's also amazing that he knew when it was over. Very few people know when something is over. He does not hang on to things because he thought of it or because he worked on it. He knows when to get off. That's a that's another gift that not many people have. Is the studio. Oh, yes. But when it was over for him, I mean, why do you think he bought it? I think was over for him because he had done everything that he wanted to do with it. And now it was going to become, you know, an accounting job. And I don't think that's what excited him because he's going to stay in as long as it's as long as he. He would have never abandoned it, but he could move on without him. And that was it. So.
Speaker How do you think him being? Now, out. Out, outspokenly gay has changed his life.
Speaker Oh, I think it's great. I think the best thing that happened for him and in his mid life was that he came out as a gay man. It really it will obviously at freedom, but it made him to be totally him. He's totally David now. And I think going through the AIDS was all of his friends and realizing that it was time, you know, for gay men to take a stand and and and be counted and and start to help all of all the men and women, the gay men and women who had AIDS to be there for them. I think that was a great impetus and it was a very brave thing to do. Many, many people have still not done that. And and he did it. And I was very proud of him for it. Were you there? No, I wasn't. But he told me all about it when he walked out on and and said it. And that wonderful story about how he saved the Rolodex cards. It's very touching. And that kind of shows you the heart of who he is that you have that Rolodex story. So I have to tell it. I'm sure it's. Well, I think the fact that David has such empathy for artists and has such a loving nature. I don't know if everybody talks about how loving he is. And to me, that's what I love about him. He's very kind. He helps friends. We have several friends that really needed help. Whether it was monetary help or medical help were just needed advice. He goes out. He reaches out to do it. He doesn't have to be asked. He reaches out. In fact, the one night that I took him to a St. Jude banquet in Beverly Hills and he was sitting next to me and we played this wonderful tape and everybody was very moved by the seeing the children and hearing the parents talk about the children coming to St. Jude. And when it was over, he had tears in his eyes. And that's not a captain of industry only. That's a man with a soul. And he looked at me and he said, How much have you raised tonight? And I said, about a million dollars. He said, Well, you've got two million. So I said, Can I announce that? Is it. No, no, no. I said, please, let me announce it. And I said, it'll mean so much to everybody that works at St. Jude and it'll be inspiring to the audience. So he said, OK. What? He really didn't want me to. So I got up and I said exactly what I just said to you, that he had just finished the tape. And David said this, and he's just given us another million dollars. And the entire ballroom stood up and he sat there like a little kid who did something good in school. He had this big smile on his face, an unexpected kind of smile. It was like he didn't realize what a big thing he had done. And it was just true, just so purely true to have done that out of just out of an impulsive, heartfelt moment that he felt. I was very I was very touched by.
Speaker I'm just curious. When he first met you, you didn't know he was he had certainly had you.
Speaker Yes, he did. From a first family of Hollywood. Was that good? Oh, yes.
Speaker Well, just that he liked it and he'd seen me. And obviously he'd must have had a crush on me before or something because he came at me with such a vengeance. So I think he must've have had an awareness. But it was it was very dear. I mean, I was very surprised. I I had suspected that he was gay. So I was very surprised that he, you know, came at me like a heat missile and. But I thought it was great, you know, and we just we clicked it off. By the way.
Speaker Do you think having as much money as if you've got more money?
Speaker Yes, yes.
Speaker Anyway, society's ability to give a lot of it away?
Speaker Well, I mean, it's an interesting thing. David has exquisite taste, and I don't know how he got that. Do you know I mean, he came from nothing, really. His mother had that little undergarment store and his father didn't work much and and he didn't have any money at all. And he saved seventeen dollars to buy the radio. But he has exquisite taste and not just in art and furniture, but down to the napkin. I mean, he just has great taste. And so I think it's enabled him to to sort of expand that and end and be able to buy more beautiful art and enjoy it. I think for him, having his boat and the airplane and the house and all of that is that he's enjoying it.
Speaker It's raised his quality of life, but his taste is almost in his DNA. He's had it ever since I I've met him. And he didn't have as much money when I first met him. So it's a I think that that's really what it's done for him. It's been able to expand. He's been able to expand this quality of life in this love of beautiful things.
Speaker Do you think it's fundamentally I mean, Sandy. Sandy gallon. I forgot to say something about it. You can take the boy, they can take the boy out of Brooklyn, but you can never take out the boy. True. You think he's still fundamentally the same?
Speaker Well, I don't. I didn't know when he was in Brooklyn. I don't know that Sandy did either. I think David is way more elegant them that I think he's a very elegant man. So I don't I don't know what he means by that. I think that his his his scope, his his eye for beauty is amazing. Even when he didn't have very much money as a as a music. When I first met him, when I was in the music business, he wasn't broke, but he didn't have this kind of money. He had beautiful pieces of art. He was already collecting Hockney. He always had an eye for it.
Speaker I think he would probably bring more to the kind of street that you get. You know, David, I think more the other day where he said, you know, this is incredible mobilization. He said it immobilized. David is somebody you want working for. You're not a guy, that's for sure.
Speaker Oh, absolutely. I've as I said before, if you cross one of David's friends, he doesn't let it go. And he remembers it forever. So I'm sure if you cross a date with it, he doesn't let it go either. You do want him on your side. But not only because you don't want him as an enemy, you want him on your side because he's a great booster. He'll never put you down. He'll find a way to help you to think it out so that you do, you know, keep yourself boosted up. So I think that's really what we're meant to, is that he is a mobilizer. But I. David is tough for this. There are tough people who grew up in Beverly Hills, too. I'm one of them. So I don't have to be from Brooklyn to be tough.
Speaker Great. Great.
Speaker Tell me things you want to say that last year was if I if I missed anything, I tried to write things down cause I have so many things to do today. So let me just say. So then I said that.
Speaker We told you about budget. I love my stories. Yeah. Now, I think I think I've I've. I've said it. I mean it. Yeah, I've said most of the things that that that I think. I guess the one thing I wanted to be sure that you knew was how about his affection, but his ability to be affectionate to people and loving and kind. I think a lot of people talk about how tough he is. A strong is. That's a parent. But you see, you know, that that sweetness. And what I love about him is that sweetness. I'm so glad you said.
Speaker I have no idea. Probably we're on the same. We're on the same page politically. I think we're done. Thank you very much. Thank you. I hope I gave you some good stuff.
Speaker You know, I was just thinking when I was just thinking, this is funny, when I. David always says because I'm so private because. Oh, you. Off. No. I keep talking. David always, always teases me because I'm so private and I won't talk about anything that's very personal. Is it someday when I write my book. There's gonna be a chapter that's called Marlo Thomas. And it's going before empty pages, I think. So I've done better than that here.
Speaker You know, he's he hates to talk about it, so I'm sure. I mean, I know that because when I approached him about doing this show, he accepted so readily. Then I was like, oh, my God.
Speaker And he'd seen a film I directed first. I loved it. Wow. It shows again. And he said you didn't do. We did it first because you thought first let me go.
Speaker Secondly, there were a thousand hours. Do you know. That's right.
Speaker Would you have all the concerts on film to write in concerts. I mean.
Speaker Movies. Yeah. Right. But also there was he had done a lot of interviews over the right love archive. That's right. Not. Right. He still he still so stay. I know. I was shocked when he told me about this.
Speaker I really want to talk about that with that man behind the curtain. What do you mean? The man behind the curtain in a lot of popular culture, pop culture history.
Speaker Well, I think David is a born manager. You know, he's a born mobilizer. And they don't you know, I don't know how much footage there was on any of the Warner Brothers or Harry Cohen or any of the Louis B. Mayor.
Speaker I mean, that's who he is. He is. And he has an eye for beauty, for talent, for music. And I think he's the one that puts it out there. But I don't. David has never wanted to be the one interviewed. And I've heard him say a million times that somebody asked him to be interviewed for a profile of somebody else. You'll say, oh, I don't want to do that. And I say, you should do that. The people should know that you're a part of that. But he doesn't want to. And I and all the time with the DreamWorks, they were always having their photographs taken and doing interviews. He was not comfortable being the man in front of the curtain. So this this is a little bit out of out of character for him.
Speaker Just one last question.
Speaker You talked about those guys who made the movie, started the movies and started in the studio. What a great accomplishment. Are you aware that one of his favorite books he read as a very young kid was the biography?
Speaker No, I wasn't aware of that. That's know, that's interesting. It's a really nice book.
Speaker What's interesting is that when he bought the Warners, the state, the Oscars, Jack Warner's Oscars were still in the House. And he called the family and said, Don't you want the Casablanca Oscar? And I don't think they did. And he gave them to the academy. But imagine buying a house that has Oscars in it.
Speaker Hard to measure.
Speaker The family didn't want to take no comfort from you.
Speaker Yes. I'm sorry. Is that right? How far away is it? Because I've been there before.
Speaker Well, my house was twelve twenty five. And isn't the new house seven hundred or something. I don't remember the number. It's about three doors up. You don't want to ever get into an issue with David. You're really outclassed. And when I sold in my house, I said and he refers to it to this day and always it all the days he was in it is my house. He would say, you know, there's rats in your house. There is a leak in your house or there's some beautiful flowers in your garden. I said, David, it's yours now. But he loved that house. And what he wanted to buy, what I was going to sell it to move to New York to get married to Phil. He said he wanted to buy it. And I said, this is the price. I don't ever want to discuss it with you again. I'm totally out of my league with you. This is the price. Don't I want to talk about it? And so he said, OK. And then a few days later, he said to me, you know, if you went through a broker, you'd have to pay. That was I said, I knew you to this. I can't I can't negotiate with you. All right. Whatever you want. Just give me the other phone.
Speaker Would you like.