My Jesus Year

 

Originally published April 20, 2010

BENYAMIN COHEN (Author of “My Jesus Year”): I grew up in the heart of the Bible belt in Atlanta, Georgia, one of eight children, the son of an Orthodox rabbi. I’m the only one that didn’t go into the family business. They are all rabbis or married rabbis.

I was always jealous. I grew up across the street from a Methodist church, and literally my bedroom window looked out at the church parking lot, and every Sunday morning I would see it was packed, and living in the Bible belt there are churches on every street corner, and their parking lots are full every week. Maybe I could go to church—not to convert to Christianity. I wasn’t interested in that. I wanted to go to find out what got people excited about worship, what got people excited about their religion. Maybe I could go and tap into that spirituality and find out the secret that I was never taught growing up, and maybe I could bring that back and apply it to my own Judaism.

Here’s one thing that I learned. I haven’t even walked into a church, and here’s already one thing I could write down and tell my rabbi—first-time visitor parking. I’m not talking about bringing Jesus into the synagogue. It wouldn’t hurt, it wouldn’t kill you to put a little first-time visitor parking sign in the parking lot.

I didn’t know going to church that they talk about the Old Testament. I assumed Jews have the Old Testament and Christians have the New Testament. I didn’t realize they have both, and this pastor got up and started giving an Old Testament sermon, and the way he was describing his interpretation was completely antithetical to what I had learned growing up. What came out of that moment was that I didn’t realize I cared so much about my own Bible.

At this Episcopal church they had a ritualistic service every week, and they had these nice traditions, and I was like that’s such a nice, sweet thing to have traditions and ancient rituals. I was like that sounds familiar. We have that in synagogue, and it kind of made me look at my own rituals with a new, fresh perspective.

Orthodox Jewry and Mormonism have a lot in common. We are both minorities in America. We both have special dietary—they can’t drink caffeine, and we have to keep kosher. They wear special undergarments, we wear special undergarments. There’s a lot of laws that dictate all their lives, and so for me I felt a real kinship with the Mormon community, and I went knocking door to door with these two female Mormon missionaries, and their conviction, these are girls 19- and 20-years-old, and their conviction for their religion was just awe-inspiring to me. I’m sure the woman whose house we were visiting, I’m sure she’s wondering why the Mormons brought their accountant with them. You know, what is he doing here?

I was feeling guilty at the end of the year that I kind of strayed from my own religion, and so I wanted to cleanse myself of that guilt, so I did what any good Jewish boy does, and that’s go to confession. I asked my Catholic friend, Vince, if I could do this, and he said, “No, only Catholics can go to confession, but I will sneak you in.” It was a very meaningful spiritual experience, and an interesting postscript to that whole episode is that the priest, now that the book has come out, the priest actually knows that I went to confession with him, and he called me and thanked me. He is so happy that I had a meaningful experience with him.

I for one feel a lot closer to a religious Christian than I do a non-religious Jew, because we have so much in common. People ask me if I found Jesus in church, and I personally did not, so to speak, find Jesus, but what I did find was true spirituality. That’s what I found in these places: the lack of cynicism, the openness to the experience, and the belief in God, whoever that God may be.

Daniel K. Williams: A Victory for the Christian Right

Immediately after the 2010 midterm elections, the National Right to Life Committee declared the results a victory for the pro-life cause, claiming that 65 seats in Congress had switched from pro-choice to pro-life. The Family Research Council likewise declared that voters had soundly rejected President Barack Obama’s efforts to allow gays to serve openly in the military. Voters in Iowa recalled three state Supreme Court justices who had ruled in favor of same-sex marriage. Across the nation, Christian conservatives claimed victories for their cultural causes after seeing Tuesday’s election results. Why, then, did most of the media—and the Republican Party leadership—say so little about religion in the election analysis?

post01-religiousrightvictorRepublicans gave the public the impression that the party was ignoring social issues in this election cycle because they knew that they could win without relying on the so-called “wedge issues” that are popular with a component of their base but that have the potential to alienate a broader electorate. Nearly 40 percent of Republican voters are conservative evangelicals who can be mobilized on cultural issues, but the GOP risks alienating moderates and independents by emphasizing the Christian right’s positions on gay rights and abortion. John McCain, for instance, increased his support among Christian right activists by choosing the conservative evangelical Sarah Palin as his running mate in 2008, but the choice cost him support among moderates.

The safest strategy for the GOP is to focus its message on the economy or other issues that are not culturally polarizing. The party has generally emphasized social issues only as a last resort in years when party leaders do not think they can win by talking about economics. In 1972, when the Republican Party experimented with a strategy of cultural conservatism, President Richard Nixon’s White House aide H.R. Haldeman admitted that the Republicans were emphasizing “patriotism, morality, religion, not the material issues of taxes and prices” in the president’s reelection campaign mainly because “if those [economic matters] were the issues, the people would be for McGovern.” Similarly, the Republicans acquiesced to the Christian right’s push to emphasize social issues in 1992, and again in 2004, because they could not win on their economic record in those years. But in 2010, Republicans saw an opportunity to win an election by appealing to popular economic discontent.

The Republican Party’s decision to emphasize the economy more than social morality does not mean that the GOP’s victory on Tuesday meant nothing to social conservatives. On the contrary, they realize that Tea Party Republican candidates, who are ostensibly libertarian, share the Christian right’s positions on social issues. Senator-elect Rand Paul (R-KY), who opposes abortion rights, courted Christian right support during the campaign with an endorsement from James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family. The Tea Party’s unofficial national leaders, including Representative Michele Bachmann (R-MN) and Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC), likewise oppose abortion rights and same-sex marriage. The Christian right may not have been in the limelight on Tuesday night, but its causes were advanced just as much as if it had been.

When John Boehner (R-OH) takes the speakership of the House, conservative evangelicals can quietly celebrate their victory. They may not have been the focus of media coverage during the campaign, but they know the Republican victories on Tuesday were a victory for their cause as well.

Daniel K. Williams is an assistant professor of history at the University of West Georgia and the author of “God’s Own Party: The Making of the Christian Right” (Oxford University Press, 2010).

Christian Leaders Meet with Obama on Election Eve

On the day before the midterm elections (November 1, 2010), President Barack Obama hosted a White House meeting with about 20 US Christian leaders affiliated with the National Council of Churches (NCC) and its global humanitarian agency, Church World Service. According to the leaders, the meeting, which lasted about 40 minutes, was not political, but rather a celebration of the 100th anniversary of the modern ecumenical movement. Still, participants acknowledged that politics did come up as the group discussed the current divisive political climate, the economy, poverty and hunger, and the continuing crisis in the Middle East. The White House did not announce the meeting and had no statement other than to confirm that it took place. After the meeting, Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly managing editor Kim Lawton spoke with three of the participants: Rev. Michael Kinnamon, NCC general secretary; Rev. Peg Chemberlin, NCC president; and Stan Noffsinger, general secretary of the Church of the Brethren. They gave background on the meeting, described some of the topics raised, and addressed criticisms by some in the religious community that the Obama administration hasn’t been doing enough faith-based outreach.

 

Democrats and Faith Voters

 

KIM LAWTON, correspondent: In Southern Virginia’s Fifth District, Democratic Congressman Tom Perriello is in a tight race for reelection. On this day the Roman Catholic candidate is in Lynchburg, helping deliver food with Meals on Wheels. It’s part of his Volunteer Tithing Initiative, in which Perriello and his campaign staff give 10 percent of their time to local charities.

REP TOM PERRIELLO, (D-VA): Tithing in my faith tradition is about giving 10 percent of what you have, and the most precious commodity we have on the campaign is our time. And it reminds us why we are doing this in the first place, and we always leave a little more inspired and fired up than when we went in, and I think that’s an important part of keeping the focus on serving the people and not the political games.

LAWTON: Perriello has been speaking a lot about his faith on the campaign trail, visiting churches and building relationships with local clergy. It’s a religious outreach strategy that helped him narrowly win two years ago.

post01-demsfaithPERRIELLO: It’s not just a matter of going to church or being able to quote some Bible verses. It’s really an authenticity that I think people look for, of saying is this guy motivated by something other than power.

LAWTON: But leading up to these midterm elections, only a few other Democratic candidates have embraced that type of broad-based faith outreach, and that’s a big shift from just two years ago. David Gibson is religion writer at PoliticsDaily.com.

DAVID GIBSON (Religion Writer, PoliticsDaily.com): The Democrats’ faith outreach in 2010 hasn’t been anything like it was in 2008, and that’s doubly bad news because the incumbent, the president in this case, and his party are always going to lose seats in the midterm elections. So they really needed to ramp up their faith outreach, especially in such a difficult time, and they haven’t done that.

LAWTON: For years, Democrats faced what many called a “God gap.” Large numbers of Americans said they thought the Republican Party was much more friendly toward religion than the Democratic Party. Then, in 2008, the Obama presidential campaign and Democratic Party structures launched an unprecedented campaign targeting religious groups. It appeared the God gap might be starting to close. But now observers say it’s widening again, and that is hurting the Democrats in this election. According to a survey by the Public Religion Research Institute, voters across all religious groups are less supportive of Democratic candidates than they did in 2008, and those declines are especially significant among white Catholics and mainline Protestants. Gibson says there has also been a loss of support within the Jewish community.

post02-demsfaithGIBSON: Seventy-eight percent, almost 80 percent of Jewish voters backed Obama in the 2008 election, but his approval rating is down to about 50 percent among those same voters. That’s a reliably Democratic bloc that has really fallen off.

LAWTON: Insiders say the Democratic National Committee has been struggling over how to assimilate faith-based outreach into its overall campaign strategy. DNC leaders say they have been connecting with churches, especially black churches, and listening to the concerns of clergy. They’ve enlisted the support of some high-profile African-American pastors, including civil rights leader Rev. Joseph Lowery.

REV. JOSEPH LOWERY (in radio ad): “In 2008 we changed the guard. This year we must guard the change.”

LAWTON: Some progressive faith-based groups have been trying to rally voters, although they say they don’t have the resources they did two years ago. Catholics United is urging support for candidates the group believes are advancing justice and the common good. On this night the group organized Catholic University students to call Catholic swing voters in Ohio on behalf of Democratic Congressman John Boccieri. He’s been targeted by conservatives after voting in favor of health care reform.

JAMES SALT (Catholics United): There’s 40 million more Americans that have access to health insurance after this bill goes into effect, and that’s something that we’re proud of. That’s something that our nation should stand by. That’s a moral issue, and we’re proud of that. So we’re out calling voters and defending that vote.

post03-demsfaithLAWTON: Some Democrats say there’s been less faith outreach this election because the focus has been on the economy and on responding to the anti-big-government rhetoric of the Tea Party movement. While the Tea Party has been rallying religious conservatives, many religious moderates and liberals say they are frustrated that the Democratic candidates by and large have not been framing economic issues in moral terms.

GIBSON: Democrats and folks on the religious left, let’s say, progressive believers, say look, we’ve got a great social justice message here. This is a faith-based message that should resonate with voters at a time of economic distress. And yet they feel that the administration and the Democratic Party have not really been preaching that message and in fact have been running away from it.

LAWTON: Hoping to influence the debate, the grassroots group Catholic Democrats released “A Catholic Pledge to America.” National director Steve Krueger says the pledge urges support for candidates who favor a social safety net to meet the needs of the nation’s most vulnerable—ideas, he says, that resonate with Catholic social teaching.

STEVE KRUEGER, (Catholic Democrats): Our focus is on people. Our focus is on putting people first. We are concerned about jobs. We are concerned about being smart about how we get the economy back on track, but in the process of doing that we don’t want to leave people behind.

LAWTON: I asked Krueger to assess the Democrats’ religious outreach this year.

post04-demsfaithKRUEGER: A lot of the faith-based outreach efforts have really been in the work of this administration and of Democrats in Congress. I personally would like to see all elected officials talk more about their faith authentically. With respect to the Democratic Party, the way I view it is that it’s a work in progress.

LAWTON: I spoke with several Democratic religious activists who are deeply frustrated with how their party has been handling faith-based outreach this campaign season. They talked with me at length off the record but declined to be interviewed on camera before the election. Some in the religious community blame President Obama for the lack of Democratic outreach.

REV. RICHARD CIZIK (New Evangelical Partnership): Well, let’s face it. The president is not just the president; he’s head of the party. And if the party isn’t reflecting those concerns it’s because of the president’s fault, in my estimation. So put the blame where it belongs, right up at the top.

LAWTON: During the presidential campaign, Obama spoke frequently about his faith and how that faith connected with his policies. He put together a broad religious coalition that even included some from the evangelical community, which traditionally has voted overwhelmingly Republican. At the beginning of his administration, the president appointed an advisory council of two dozen diverse religious leaders. But that council’s term expired more than six months ago, and a new one has yet to be named. The White House says the recommendations of the council are being studied and implemented, but critics charge that it’s been window dressing merely for political support. Many in the faith community are also disappointed that the president hasn’t been speaking more in religious terms or highlighting the moral dimensions of his policies and meeting with faith leaders as frequently as he did on the campaign trail. And when he has done those things, some say it may have been too little too late.

post05-demsfaithCIZIK: President Obama had the opportunity to construct a new public agenda that included evangelicals, those evangelicals who could agree with his broad agenda: of the concern for the environment, the poor, all these different issues. So Obama had the opportunity and in so many ways dropped the ball. There is no other way to describe it.

GIBSON: I think the Obama administration and the Democrats really took for granted those faith groups that came out for them in 2008 and haven’t cultivated them in the same way that certainly their opponents have.

LAWTON: Some Democratic leaders say they do recognize the importance of reaching out to faith-based voters. Former Maryland lieutenant governor Kathleen Kennedy Townsend wrote a book about what she sees as the appropriate ways to mix politics and religion.

KATHLEEN KENNEDY TOWNSEND (Author, Failing America’s Faithful): I think galvanizing, in particular, religious voters is very important now. You speak in a language that they understand, and you underscore those issues that they particularly—or we, I call myself one—care about.

LAWTON: But if many Democrats are still figuring out exactly how to do that, Gibson sees a potentially complicated religious scenario for the 2012 elections.

GIBSON: I think the religious right is going to be energized, reenergized, even resuscitated by the election in November if the Republicans come in with the force that’s expected, and I think that’s going to be a wake-up call for the Democratic Party, for the Obama administration, and for believers on the liberal side of the spectrum, the so-called religious left.

post06-demsfaithLAWTON: And in the meantime, many party faithful say they fear Democrats have squandered an opportunity to energize some key voters in a year when they need every vote they can get.

BOB ABERNETHY, host: Kim, did Democratic officials agree that they’ve done very little in the way of outreach this year?

LAWTON: Well, they are not saying very much about what they think about their outreach. We approached several elected officials and Democratic Party leaders to get them to talk about this, and they did not want to go on camera talking about it, with the exception of Representative Perriello, who was in my story, who only wanted to talk about what he was doing and not what the party as a whole is doing.

ABERNETHY: Why do you think they haven’t done more?

LAWTON: Well, that’s the question everybody’s asking, and I am not sure that anybody has any good answers right now. I am hearing that there’s going to be a big post-mortem after the election to look at this. The DNC [Democratic National Committee] is doing outreach among black churches and has been trying to rally African-American voters, including within the black churches. That’s a very reliable Democratic base, and so they figure if they can get those people out to the polls that will help. That’s been part of their traditional strategy, but they’ve been doing less with some of these other groups, which is why the grassroots groups are trying to step in, but it’s not coming from the party itself.

ABERNETHY: And, what about the president?

post07-demsfaithLAWTON: Well, some people have said to me that, indeed, part of the reason is that the people who had a more broad-based faith-based outreach are now at the White House or working in the administration and not on campaigns. But there has been some activity within the White House. I have heard a lot of concern that much of it has been very low-profile. For example, I know there’s going to be a meeting planned at the White House between the president and some ecumenical Christian leaders, mainline Protestant leaders, ostensibly to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the ecumenical Christian movement. It’s to happen the day before the elections. But they’re not letting any media in, and they’re not making a big deal about it.

ABERNETHY: And what about the Tea Party? What do they say openly about their relationship with religious conservatives?

LAWTON: Well, on the surface the Tea Party is a very secular movement. They don’t talk about religion very much, if at all. Sometimes they’ll have prayer services before a Tea Party rally that are optional, not part of the main event. But when you look underneath it, there is a lot of support from religious conservatives, and in fact some people say that that may be as much as half. One poll showed that half of Americans who consider themselves part of the Tea Party movement are religious conservatives.

ABERNETHY: I’ve been interested in the polling data that shows that maybe it’s not so much that people are anti-Democrat or anti-Republican. It’s they’re anti-anybody in power, and it’s not so much a partisan thing as the anger at people in Washington not getting more done, not being able to work together.

LAWTON: Well, that’s been a major theme through this election, of course, and the Democrats are on the firing line, because they are the ones in the places of power right now. I think that’s why some of the Democratic activists are saying in that kind of environment we need all the votes we can get and that’s why they’re a little disappointed that the party hasn’t seemed to be focusing on their communities to get out the vote as much.

ABERNETHY: Good, Kim. We’ll see you next week afterwards.

David Gibson Extended Interview

“The Democrats’ faith outreach in 2010 hasn’t been anything like it was in 2008…They really needed to ramp up their faith outreach, and they haven’t done that,” according to PoliticsDaily.com religion writer David Gibson. Watch more of Kim Lawton’s interview with him about religion, politics, and Democratic outreach to communities of faith.

 

Minnesota Bishops on Gay Marriage

 

DVD: “Marriage is reaffirmed each time a man and woman choose to make each other husband and wife…”

FRED DE SAM LAZARO, correspondent: Just weeks before upcoming statewide elections, Minnesota’s Catholic bishops, spearheaded by John Nienstedt of Minneapolis-St Paul, sent this DVD to every Catholic household in the state—400,000 in all at a cost of one million dollars, funded by an anonymous donation.

DVD: “At best, so-called ‘same-sex marriage’ is an untested social experiment, and at worst, it poses a dangerous risk with potentially far-reaching consequences.”

DE SAM LAZARO: Critics of Archbishop Nienstedt take issue with many of his assertions in the DVD, but they also question the timing of the DVD campaign, coming as it does just prior to the elections.

post01-minnesotaMARY LYNN MURPHY (Catholic Rainbow Parents): He is playing partisan politics from a tax-exempt pulpit. That is what he is doing. He skirts that issue because he doesn’t name a specific candidate, but he is in fact lobbying, right now. This is the time for the election. We all know that. He knows that. I think that’s very inappropriate, and he’s manipulating his flock in doing that.

DE SAM LAZARO: Of the three major party candidates for governor, only one—Republican Tom Emmer—supports an amendment to the state constitution that Nienstedt wants that would define marriage as between a man and a woman. While insisting that he isn’t endorsing Emmer, the archbishop made his preference clear.

DVD: “Marriage is the union of one man and one woman, and to protect this truth, it is time in Minnesota to let the people speak.”

DE SAM LAZARO: Would it have been more prudent or less controversial to have a longer conversation about this without the election looming to complicate matters?

REV. DAVID MCCAULEY (Minnesota Catholic Conference): I don’t know that we can answer that question.

DE SAM LAZARO: Father David McCauley of the Minnesota Catholic Conference, which represents the bishops, says as religious leaders they have a responsibility to speak out on timely moral issues of the day.

post02-minnesotaMCCAULEY: Thirty-one states have addressed the topic of gay marriage, and there can be no denial that it has become very much a topic of conversation in both national and state conversation, and I can see why they would want to make Catholic people aware of Catholic teaching at this time and culture.

DE SAM LAZARO: So far some 2500 people turned their DVDs in to a group that promised to bring them back to the bishop. Another 1000 were returned to sender directly and hundreds to a local artist creating a sculpture with them. Among the most vigorous opponents are Michael Bayly with a group representing Catholics from sexual minorities and Mary Lynn Murphy with a group called Catholics Rainbow Parents.

MURPHY: In those DVDs he says straight out that our children are second-class citizens—the parents of gay children—our kids are second-class citizens and don’t deserve the rights that other American have.

MICHAEL BAYLY: Now some would say that, oh, if they were speaking out on immigration reform or civil rights wouldn’t you think that that would be an appropriate thing for them to do, and of course I would. But the difference I see is that in all of those cases, the efforts to speak out, the end result is to broaden the circle, to expand the circle, and to include others in, whereas in this case, with the anti-gay marriage campaign, they’re seeking to exclude a huge part of the population, not just Catholics.

post03-minnesotaDVD: “The Church’s teaching on marriage is not a condemnation of homosexual persons as human beings. It is simply a reflection not only of the scriptures, but of the unique, procreative nature of the male-female bond.”

MCCAULEY: The teachings of the church regarding sexuality are the same for heterosexual people as they are for gay people. The church has always stated that the genital expression of sexuality is limited to those who are married, who have entered into that solemn covenant with one another to be faithful and to be supportive of one another and are open to share in God’s work of creation and that those things are not possible in a gay marriage.

DE SAM LAZARO: Nienstedt has long been outspoken on the issue of gay marriage, often battling in public with gay activists like Bayly. But Bayly says that debate has widened.

BAYLY: It’s no longer the usual suspects who are, you know, talking about this. It’s the rank-and-file Catholics, and they’re doing it, you know, by the hundreds and perhaps by the thousands within this archdiocese.

DE SAM LAZARO: One of those Catholics is Father Michael Tegeder, who ministers to a suburban Twin Cities parish. In a public letter he took issue with the archbishop’s contention that gay marriage is a threat to traditional marriage. He says the real threat to marriage is poverty.

post04-minnesotaREV. MICHAEL TEGEDER: The political candidates don’t need that kind of issue out there when we’re faced with other real significant issues that they can do something about. The constitutional amendments are very unrealistic. It’s not going to happen.

DE SAM LAZARO: He says the response from parishioners and others has been overwhelmingly positive, even from some unlikely places.

TEGEDER: They’re coming from such hotbeds of radicalism like Ramsey, Minnesota; Montgomery, Minnesota; Hastings, Minnesota.

DE SAM LAZARO: Surveys show that Catholics are almost evenly divided on gay marriage, although a clear majority now favors civil unions.

TEGEDER: I have a responsibility to my parishioners to speak, you know, for their concerns. So often in these cases if I don’t say something, I hear from my parishioners saying you are the pastor. You are the priest. You are to speak for us.

DE SAM LAZARO: Tegeder has not been reprimanded by the archbishop, but Nienstedt turned down Tegeder’s request that he meet with concerned Catholics.

TEGEDER: We have a lot of people who are in same-sex relationships in our communities, our Catholic communities, and the DVD campaign was very hurtful to them and to their families and friends and to many other Catholics.

DE SAM LAZARO: In an editorial, the Minneapolis Star-Tribune said, “The church’s tax-exempt status could be threatened if it directly endorsed candidates. But instead it’s endorsing a policy outcome that’s entirely consistent with its theology in the same way Catholics have campaigned for decades to outlaw abortion.” But even though it’s generated controversy, most political analysts say the DVD campaign won’t have much impact on the election outcome. Most voters seem far more concerned about the economy.

For Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly, this is Fred de Sam Lazaro in St. Paul.

New York Public Library Three Faiths Exhibition

The New York Public Library has opened “Three Faiths,” a major exhibition exploring sacred texts produced over the centuries by Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. View a gallery of some of the 200 rare books and manuscripts from the Library’s permanent collections that comprise the exhibition.

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The Pope’s New Cardinals

 

BOB ABERNETHY, host: Pope Benedict XVI named 24 new cardinals this week, increasing the number of men who will be eligible to vote for the next pope. The list includes two Americans: Archbishop Raymond Burke, the former archbishop of St Louis, now head of the Vatican’s highest court. And the other, Archbishop Donald Wuerl of Washington, DC. Benedict also increased the percentage of Italians in the College of Cardinals, as well as the number who come from the Vatican’s bureaucracy. The new cardinals will receive their traditional “red hats” at a ceremony in Rome on November 20. We get analysis of the new list from Father Thomas Reese, a senior fellow at Georgetown University’s Woodstock Theological Center and an authority on the curia, the Vatican bureaucracy. Tom, welcome.

FATHER THOMAS REESE, S.J.: Thank you.

ABERNETHY: What do you see? What’s the message in this list?

REESE: Well, I think there’s two. One is continuity, and one is change. The continuity is the fact that we see Pope Benedict appointing people who basically reflect his views on church issues and where the church ought to go. So when they get together to elect a new pope, there’s not going to be radical change. We are going to see continuity with the papacy of Benedict. What change we do see, however, is that with John Paul we saw a reduction of the role of the Italians in the College of Cardinals and also of Vatican curia cardinals. Pope Benedict is reversing that. We’re seeing more Italians, and we’re seeing like half of the people appointed as cardinals were from the Vatican curia.

ABERNETHY: And what are people around the world, in the Third World especially, Latin America, Africa, other places, what do they think of that?

REESE: Well, I mean it’s interesting. Two-thirds of Catholics live in the global south but they only get one-third of the cardinals. Two-thirds of the cardinals are in the global north where one-third of the Catholics live. The Catholic Church is not a one-man, one-vote operation.

ABERNETHY: No, no. And what about in the US.? What do you make of the appointments here?

REESE: Well, they were not a surprise. We knew that Archbishop Burke, because he’s head of the supreme court of the Church, would be made a cardinal. We also knew that Archbishop Wuerl would be made a cardinal.

ABERNETHY: But the New York archbishop was not made a cardinal.

REESE: No, and the reason was his predecessor, Cardinal Egan, is still under 80 years of age, and he will be until April of 2012. After that, Archbishop Dolan is going to become a cardinal.

ABERNETHY: For sure?

REESE: For sure.

ABERNETHY: Father Tom Reese, many thanks.

REESE: Thank you.