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Impeachment: The Conversation Continues

The tremendous response from our recent impeachment panel broadcast tells us this is a conversation that is important to you. Here are a few of the thousands responses we've been receiving:

Ethel, July 13, 2007:

After watching tonight's Bill Moyers program, I think for the first time in a long time, I feel hopeful. There is a solution! For the last five years, I have been watching and listening and feeling rather isolated in my frustration and disgust. Impeachment is the solution for this federal insanity.

Carol Taylor, July 14, 2007:

Thank you Mr. Moyers for the re-education about the Constitution. I have already written to Nancy Pelosi. This program is just what we need to hear.

Lee Partide, July 14, 2007:

One sided and misleading. Bill Moyers is a good presenter and very smooth, but what is frightening is the power he and the media exercise by presenting information that neglects so many facts, and does not present rebuttal by the myriad others who can refute claims made on this show, and point out their dangers. I am NO Bush fan, but your show edges on appalling by misrepresentations. One can see how far this has gone by reading how many people in media (and thus among the population) compare Bush to such people as Hitler. That kind of extremism presented under the guise of objective journalism is what is MOST scary in our culture.

SR, July 15, 2007:

I am not nearly as articulate as your bloggers, however, I was compelled to say something...I was raised to respect our leaders, our elders and one another. To trust in our government and have faith in our religion...What has happened to the America we once knew?...We the American people can no LONGER hide our heads in the sand-- we cannot rely on our political leaders to help us out of this peril...Thank you SO MUCH for airing this show.

Ken, July 14, 2007:

I just caught the end of your show waiting for the British comedies to come on. What a bunch of crap! The democrats don't have the guts to stop the war or impeach Bush or Cheney. What congress should do is remove public funding for this show and send it to the troops in the war.

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Michael V.; I assume you forgot about James Guckert/Jeff Gannon, the homosadist prostitute and erstwhile White House press corps member assigned to ask Dub "softball" questions. Records indicated regular visits far in excess of those necessary for news gathering, and at odd hours. These visits correspond to the President's presence at the White House (He vacationed plenty and often raised funds out of town.). Closer scrutiny might uncover Camp David, Kennebunkport and Crawford Ranch sessions. They might even have met in a secure undisclosed location or mile-highed on Air Force One. Dub has a history of same sex activity in Skull and Bones and other all male organizations. Gay is OK, except when the partaker is a gay basher and rights denier.

everything but a blowjob in the oval office. however, I'm sure Bush has been on his knees in front of Chaney once or twice.

I was wondering how Bank of America morphed into a South Carolina firm owned by Saudi Royals? Anybody know? I was once a customer there and it was an Italian bank centered in California, San Francisco.

Two questions:

Last week, when questioned about the cover of the New Yorker Magazine, Senator Obama concluded his answer by stating that the New Yorker has their 1st Amendment rights. Ironic because just days before the New Yorker incident Obama voted to kill the 4th Amendment. How regal to be able to select and choose which Amendments to support and ignore. Will the 1st Amendment be next?

A few weeks ago Carl Rove failed to appear for a Congressional Hearing. Rove says he will testify but not under oath and not if recorded. Why does Rove expect a right to secrecy & privacy when he and his cronies can wiretap & record any American Citizen without their knowing it?

Sorry for the double posting. My mistake.

Jeanne Zindorf
San Luis Obispo

Re: Congressman Dennis Kucinich’s Resolution for Impeachment of President George Bush made before the House of Representatives on June 9, 2008. I immediately responded to my Representative with an open letter to Congress, Speaker of the House Pelosi, with a follow-up call. I also contacted Congressman Kucinich expressing my full support. Mainstream media is ignoring this most historic event. Please Mr. Moyer do not allow Congressman Kucinich’s most historic and critical Resolution for Impeachment to disappear without a whimper. Make it the News that it is. This is the letter I sent to Congress.


Dear Congresswoman Capps and Members of Congress,

Thank you for the update on bills you have helped get passed. It was helpful in understanding all that is being done on our behalf. However, my primary concern at this point is if President Bush is able, and the Patriots Act did enable him, to declare war on Iran without Congress, and then using his commander-in-chief status to declare martial law. When that happens all your works and efforts are for not. Congress will not have any power to make any laws, block, prevent or control a President who has declared himself the sole authority on all matters of governing.
Congress's inability to actually stop the war, stop the funding for the war, control gas prices, or influence the president in matters of the greatest concern to us is merely a prelude of things to come. Congress has already shown itself to be so afraid of this president by giving into him on issues we have clearly expressed as non-negotiable, end the war, that I doubt you will have the where with all to act on critical issues in a timely manner.

Representative Dennis Kucinich's impeachment resolution is such an issue. And you have shelved it. An impeached President cannot declare war. An impeached president cannot declare himself commander-in-chief, or declare Martial law. An impeached president is powerless. By spending your time and effort on legislation unrelated to the issue that is of the greatest importance to us as a democracy, which is our Constitution, is indicative of our confidence in your ability to recognize those things that are going to make a difference now and in the future.

This president is unworthy to be representing us as a leader of a democracy. I am ashamed of what we have done under this president and what we have become. The American people have spoken. We do not want this war. We do not want another war. We want peace and prosperity. That is not going to happen if president Bush is allowed to continue to bully Congress.

Does Congress really think they will be able to get their act together in time to stop Bush from declaring war on Iran and declaring himself commander-in-chief? I do not think so. Except for one very brave representative from Ohio, Congressman Kucinich, who has introduced a resolution to impeach President Bush, there is little trust in this Congress that they will not turn over our government to Bush on a sliver platter whenever he wants it.

I beseech you to embrace Congressman Kucinich's resolution and unite with all your other fellow devoted Americans in Congress and stand up to the bully Bush. This will unite us again as Americans and prove to us you can be trusted with our democracy with our very lives.
If you ignore the historic significance of this resolution or doubt or mistrust Rep. Kucinich's intent and devotion to our democracy then you doubt every soldier and American’s devotion and love for this country. Nothing at this moment in time is as important to us as a nation than to be able to remove that which is the greatest threat to our hope, dreams and well being. This President is a threat as the impeachment resolution so plainly and clearly proves beyond a shadow of a doubt. If you shelve this resolution, ignore it; cover it up, then you are ignoring the reasons why we are Americans and everything that America stands for.
Please make this resolution a reality for all our sakes and for the sake of mothers, sons, daughters and fathers everywhere. It is your duty and responsibility to act on those issues that insure our well-being, protect, defend and uphold our Constitution. It is your duty to sign the Resolution for Impeachment.
Most sincerely yours,
Jeanne Zindorf, San Luis Obispo, CA


Re: Congressman Dennis Kucinich’s Resolution for Impeachment of President George Bush made before the House of Representatives on June 9, 2008. I immediately responded to my Representative with an open letter to Congress, Speaker of the House Pelosi, with a follow-up call. I also contacted Congressman Kucinich expressing my full support. Mainstream media is ignoring this most historic event. Please Mr. Moyer do not allow Congressman’s Kucinich’s most historic and critical Resolution for Impeachment disappear without a whimper. Make it the News that it is. This is the letter I sent to Congress.


Dear Congresswoman Capps and Members of Congress,

Thank you for the update on bills you have helped get passed. It was helpful in understanding all that is being done on our behalf. However, my primary concern at this point is if President Bush is able, and the Patriots Act did enable him, to declare war on Iran without Congress, and then using his commander-in-chief status to declare martial law. When that happens all your works and efforts are for not. Congress will not have any power to make any laws, block, prevent or control a President who has declared himself the sole authority on all matters of governing.
Congress's inability to actually stop the war, stop the funding for the war, control gas prices, or influence the president in matters of the greatest concern to us is merely a prelude of things to come. Congress has already shown itself to be so afraid of this president by giving into him on issues we have clearly expressed as non-negotiable, end the war, that I doubt you will have the where with all to act on critical issues in a timely manner.

Representative Dennis Kucinich's impeachment resolution is such an issue. And you have shelved it. An impeached President cannot declare war. An impeached president cannot declare himself commander-in-chief, or declare Martial law. An impeached president is powerless. By spending your time and effort on legislation unrelated to the issue that is of the greatest importance to us as a democracy, which is our Constitution, is indicative of our confidence in your ability to recognize those things that are going to make a difference now and in the future.

This president is unworthy to be representing us as a leader of a democracy. I am ashamed of what we have done under this president and what we have become. The American people have spoken. We do not want this war. We do not want another war. We want peace and prosperity. That is not going to happen if president Bush is allowed to continue to bully Congress.

Does Congress really think they will be able to get their act together in time to stop Bush from declaring war on Iran and declaring himself commander-in-chief? I do not think so. Except for one very brave representative from Ohio, Congressman Kucinich, who has introduced a resolution to impeach President Bush, there is little trust in this Congress that they will not turn over our government to Bush on a sliver platter whenever he wants it.

I beseech you to embrace Congressman Kucinich's resolution and unite with all your other fellow devoted Americans in Congress and stand up to the bully Bush. This will unite us again as Americans and prove to us you can be trusted with our democracy with our very lives.
If you ignore the historic significance of this resolution or doubt or mistrust Rep. Kucinich's intent and devotion to our democracy then you doubt every soldier and American’s devotion and love for this country. Nothing at this moment in time is as important to us as a nation than to be able to remove that which is the greatest threat to our hope, dreams and well being. This President is a threat as the impeachment resolution so plainly and clearly proves beyond a shadow of a doubt. If you shelve this resolution, ignore it; cover it up, then you are ignoring the reasons why we are Americans and everything that America stands for.
Please make this resolution a reality for all our sakes and for the sake of mothers, sons, daughters and fathers everywhere. It is your duty and responsibility to act on those issues that insure our well-being, protect, defend and uphold our Constitution. It is your duty to sign the Resolution for Impeachment.
Most sincerely yours,
Jeanne Zindorf, San Luis Obispo, CA


The Bush administration’s actions and policies have been so detrimental to our nation (the campaign of deceit that led us to war, the justification and practice of torture, the establishment of secret prisons, the abrogation of basic human rights) that it seems the essence of our country is dying. The precedents that this president will leave behind are malignancies that need be excised. For the sake of our democracy, our future security, our standing in the world, and our souls, President Bush should be impeached.

I am more proud than ever today to call Congressman Dennis Kucinich my friend. Despite the fragile state of our country we need to prosecute this serial felon, traitor and mass murderer George Walker Bush before he leaves office.
I was watching him on the BBC last night all coked up and reciting to the Slovenians a retard version of his Iran lines. What an abomination! What a "sack of feces"!

Impeach Bush now.

It isn't too late. Our leaders should be impeached then tried for treason and crimes against humanity.


Could it be that all members of the house are afraid of this pair? Or is everyone receiving gratuities they prefer to not be made public? What hold does our pres and vice pres have over the entire congress?


With the rise of Blackwater, are they all fearful for their lives?

Hopefully this attempt of mine to post a link to Congressman Wexler's web page will succeed. See comment I posted below earlier today which lacks a link. In short if you want hearings to begin, please put your name on the list for reasons given in the comment below.

http://wexlerwantshearings.com/

If you would like to see Cheney impeachment hearings begin, and if you haven't already done so, put your name on the list at US Representative Wexler's web page,

WexlerWantsHearings.com.

Yes, another "petition", but for a unique opportunity where timing is important.
The name list was set up about December 14 and may be taken down in January after it has served its purpose.

The creation of the name list web page about Dec 14 was a next move after major media, mainstream media, specifically large newspapers, out and out rejected an op-ed calling for immediate hearings which had been written and signed by Representatives Wexler, Gutierrez, and Baldwin - all members of the House Judiciary Committee where the impeachment resolution, H Res 333 / H Res 799, has been on hold.

The list of names of Americans who want hearings to begin is to be plopped down, figuratively, in front of the HJC after they get back to work on Jan 15 as evidence that the impeachment effort is not of a fringe group but of a substantial group of Americans. The larger the list, the more likely to convince. So far it is not that big when you consider the number of voters.

But n the same way major media rejected the op-ed, they have been reluctant to mention what the Wexler group is doing and plans to do. The names accrued so far are a result apparently of blogs, diaries, meet-ups, social networks, etc. the extent of which can be seen by Googling on the web for relevant words like WexlerWantsHearings.

In Raw Story: Spurned by major newspapers
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Spurned_by_major_newspapers_Dem_Congressman_1214.html

The OpEd: A Case For Hearings
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/12/14/5839/

The three Committee members may have been joined already by another, Congressman Weiner, also of the committee.

There are on the Committee five others who are actually are co-sponsors of the resolution. Baldwin is also a co-sponsor. Thus, there are probably a total of at least nine members who will be, soon after the persuading begins, for hearings.

The reasons these happenings are significant include:


  • Wexler and Gutierrez have not been pro-impeachment but they are now pro-hearings,

  • they are all members of the Committee which has control over whether or not there will be hearings,

  • Wexler, et al., have made a promise to lobby for hearings and they have given a date for their lobbying to begin, and

  • they have asked for help from other Americans who want hearings.
  • I don't understand why we are here, 7+ years into the Bush "Presidency", and wondering about impeachment at this point. The fish rots starting at the head, and in year 2000 it should have been clear to anyone who wasn't brain dead that George Bush was (and of course still is). The really troubling thing is that this individual was foisted on us, and it was done with half the American electorate voting for him and his cast of evil puppeteers. We still need to impeach him and the "Vice President", yes. Of course that's true. But better yet, we need to institute a baseline test of neurological competency to hold that office. If such a test had been in place in 2000, we wouldn't be in the fix we're in now.

    This isn't about democrat or republican, it's about America and our constitution - it could be either party abusing the presidency. We have a group of individuals in this administration, not just Cheney and Bush, that are on the path of authoritarianism, or fascism for that matter. They behave ignorantly with no knowledge of history, geography, human rights or the constitution - which is specifically written to limit the power of a president. The fact that most of this administration's top legal advisors have resigned on an ongoing basis over the course of this administration is telling. When their mandated periods of silence expire, I believe this administration will have enough evidence against it to put them behind bars. That is, however, if the judiciary and media aren't all corporate friends and relatives and we as citizens still have freedom of speech!!!

    This isn't about democrat or republican, it's about America and our constitution - it could be either party abusing the presidency. We have a group of individuals in this administration, not just Cheney and Bush, that are on the path of authoritarianism, or fascism for that matter. They behave ignorantly with no knowledge of history, geography, human rights or the constitution - which is specifically written to limit the power of a president. The fact that most of this administration's top legal advisors have resigned on an ongoing basis over the course of this administration is telling. When their mandated periods of silence expire, I believe this administration will have enough evidence against it to put them behind bars. That is, however, if the judiciary and media aren't all corporate friends and relatives and we as citizens still have freedom of speech!!!

    So Bush is like Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin... is this really where we're at? Didn't Naomi Wolf work for the Clinton/Gore campaign... good source to use

    To Lee Partide commentary on July 14:
    Regarding the comparison of Bush to Hitler....
    Please read the book "The End of America" by Naomi Wolf. She has researched history and has found a pattern or a blueprint for destroying democracy for the purpose of establishing a dictatorship. She found that the Bush Administration is employing all the techniques that Mussolini, Hitler, & Stalin have used to gain more power for their own agendas.

    I fail to understand why so much money and time was spent to impeach Bill Clinton, and NOTHING is done about Bush and Cheney who have committed so many impeachable and even treasonable offenses.

    Is everyone just asleep, or is our entire government in the hands of Corporate Globe?

    If we are hated around the whole world, then why has Europe been electing "pro-American" candidates? What laws have been broken? Clinton broke laws. Didn't Sandy Berger go into the National Archive to steal all documents pertaining to Clinton's strategy on Bin Laden just before the 9/11 Commission was about to meet? Didn't he do so by stuffing the highest of classified documents down his pants and socks? Isn't he a "unofficial" adviser for Hillary? Why did Berger do this? There is only one reason he would.

    What a shame that this is even a debate.

    The Bush Cheney administration have lied to and spied on American citizens, have broken laws, have disregarded and disgraced the Constitution, have made made us one of the most disliked countries on earth.

    Remind me what the reasons for not impeaching them are?

    Kucinich is my favorite long lost Beatle

    How can you have a discussion about impeachment and not include Dennis Kucinich, the only true democratic candidate for President in 2008, and his bill HR 333, calling for impeachment?

    I suppose if I said things you liked you would be okay with me posting as much as I do. Instead of actually trying to argue the points I make you insult me. I have chronic kidney failure so I can't do much, so that explains my availability. My question to you is, why are you paying attention to what times I am posting? I have yet to look at what time someone has posted their opinions.

    Jesse Norman,
    You sure do post a lot here. Long, long angry messages at all odd hours. Might want to take a break there, bud.

    Every President would be impeached then

    In deference to the late Johnny Cochran . . .

    IF THERE IS A BREACH !
    YOU MUST IMPEACH !

    Come on Jay, you're about as independent as Kato Kaelin. The only way you're independent is if you hover between the democratic party and the green party. "Refuse to believe the obvious" is your code for saying "I have no proof of what I'm talking about". I blame Bush for a lot. He did nothing about Bin Laden before 9/11, even though he was only President for less than nine months. Bush should not have given the Taliban a month so Bin Laden could hide in the mountains. It was his ego over our military might that had him give the Taliban time to hand over Bin Laden. That was a foolish thing to do. He has yet to seal both borders even though we have good intelligence showing terrorists have come over both borders. They stopped building the fence that was put into law a while ago. Bush is allowing illegals keep on stealing our jobs and lowering our wages of jobs we do have because of competition by the illegals making less than minimum wage. We should rescind NAFTA because of the outsourcing of our jobs and made Mexico even more corrupt than it was. Oh, Clinton adopted NAFTA with the help of a republican congress. Still, Bush is all for NAFTA and outsourcing of jobs, which I am dead set against. I want universal healthcare. I want regulation over the oil industry. I want a ban on assault weapons. Bush kept the idiot Rumsfeld in way too long even when it was clear he had no idea what he was doing, and wouldn't change strategies. Those are some big issues I'm against Bush on. I'm afraid that just because I defend Bush on points of why he shouldn't be impeached, it doesn't mean I worship the man. I know as "independent" as you are and those like you are, yet you all still have trouble believing that there's a middle ground on this. I bring up Clinton a lot because he did things that were worse but I didn't want him impeached. I'm sure none of you yelled at the top of your lungs wanting Clinton impeached for every conspiracy theory under the sun.

    9/11 was done by mostly Saudi terrorists. Accept it and move on. We didn't kill 3000 of our own citizens. Bush isn't causing global warming. Mars has gotten even warmer than Earth in recent years. Explain that one. Republicans didn't hold a secret meeting in the Batcave with Bush saying "we need to take Iraq for ourselves. MOO HAHAHAHAHA". Believing in conspiracies doesn't mean you're smarter than everyone else. There are things that happen but many of you just won't accept reality. When most CLEAR thinking people know things just happened, people like you excuse it by saying "you're misguided" or "you fell for their propaganda". There hasn't been a historical event that ever happened that's not come into question by you people. You come up with these ridiculous conspiracies because it helps you feel smarter than you actually are. What is funny though is that you think you have the "real" answer on things. The "real" history of what really happened. Got a bunch of Dale Gribbles from "King of the Hill" around now. "That's not really black you know. Bush had the Navy come out with its own color so that way they could build the foundation for the dumb conservatives to fall for their future propoganda. They had help from the Israelis because as you know, the Israelis are always in on everything we do, man." Maybe you should all look in the mirror and realize that's a real reverse image of you, and not some high pixeled computer image brought to you by the CIA and following your every move like you're in The Truman Show.

    Well spoken! The question is WHY? Then it is WHAT CAN BE DONE?

    Impeachment may not happen, those in Washington do not seem to be listening. It may all come down to our vote in the next ellection.

    I had an advisor tell me one time that “the best predictor of the future is the past.”
    It is undeniable that history tends to repeat itself once it fades from social consciousness.

    When it comes to deciding how to vote in the next election, it may be wise to take a lesson from the past and vote for someone who is in favor of Getting Out of Iraq and moving toward a diplomatic/mentoring/facilitation solution.

    Below are some comparisons that point out the importance of this decision.

    Her are some facts I looked up comparing the death statistics of Iraq and Viet Nam.

    Iraq Deaths
    First 4 years = 3794

    Viet Nam Deaths
    First 4 years 1956- 60 = 9
    Second 4 years 1961-65 = 392 (Linden Johnson)
    Third 4 years 1966- 69 = 35,751 (Linden Johnson)

    Forth 4 years 1970-73 = 20,863
    Next 24 years = 1178
    Total = 58,193

    The next President is critical if we want to avoid the mistake of escalating this situation and letting it get out of hand.

    The lesson of Viet Nam is not what some have determined -- that we went in with out an intention to win. This is an erroneous conclusion.

    The lesson to be learned form Viet Nam is that when the US interjects itself into the middle of another country’s civil war, a military solution is a futile strategy. Iraq is a war we cannot win. Linden Johnson's, came to power in 1963 and decided the US should WIN the war in Viet Nam by sending more troops, fire power and money. The numbers show the failure of such a strategy.

    We must elect someone who will change the strategy and work for a solution to the mess we have gotten ourselves into. Winning is no longer the issue. Damage control is the issue. And, wouldn’t it be the right thing to do to admit this now before tens of thousands of our men die.

    I was in high school between 1962 and 1973, I have lived through the disruption and societal upheaval already, take my word, we do not want to repeat this.

    Let’s not waist time, money and lives we could be spending on shaping the new world we live in for the progress of humanity.

    I am a New Yorker as well and I second your notion. There are many unanswered questions and debate is silenced and dying.

    The neo-con republicans are unmistakably sophisticated in their ability to manipulate debate through talking points and character assassination. No other political organization comes close to approaching their cohesiveness, dogmatism and funding. They are shaping the world to benefit an elite cadre of ultra-wealthy and have displayed moral ambiguity and killer instinct that liberals lack.

    How does this relate to 9/11? Because 9/11, regardless of truth and the cloud of misinformation seeded by the neocon republicans, has become a tool for their accretion of wealth and power. Because regardless of neocon talking points, easy-on-the-brain mantras, and general misdirection, our Constitution and the foundations of Democracy are being and have been corroded.

    Whether Republican or Democract or Non-affiliated independent, the fact of the matter is the majority does not benefit from the neocon rise to power.

    9/11 at its heart is a tragedy of exploitation. Exploitation of the American people and regardless of our differences, the net effect has been suffering inflicted by Americans on Americans.

    Who will shoulder the burden of a trillion dollar war? Why is a public fresh with the memory of Enron so complacent when this looming spectre of economic mismanagement and book cooking threatens the masses? Perhaps the wrong talking point is being used? Perhaps the public should be told they are being "taxed". This war inflicts a tax that will be paid by each and every citizen and their children for generations to come. It will be paid by regular folks that are struggling to maintain quality of life taken for granted by our parents. When the government buys 300 billion dollars of fighter planes, that money is coming from us. That's 300 billion less for schools, for hospitals, for roads, for police, for every thread in the fabric of our community. And none of that money was spent to make us safer.

    Millions of innocent lives have been destroyed by US military action in Iraq. Are we so egocentric as a society to ignore the injustice in attacking and invading a sovereign nation? Or lacking in empathy to see the Iraqi anger that is fermenting from this invasion? The reality is that the US has caused destruction that destabilizes an entire region, affecting hundreds of millions of lives. The reality is that the neocons continue a drumbeat of war to renew their coffers. The reality is that the current administration uses terror as tool, no less so than the terrorists they purport to battle.

    There is an elemental wisdom that transcends time and place. That wisdom offered by Socrates, Buddha, Confucious and others is that we should ask questions, of ourselves and of society. For knowledge, for enlightenment, for responsibility, we must question. In light of this simple wisdom, we must ask questions of our leaders. "Why" is a pillar of freedom. Why were we systematically lied to about prior knowledge of the 9/11 plot. Why was French intelligence ignored? Why did the towers collapse like a controlled demolition. Why were there no explosives forensics allowed on the rubble. Why was there a powerdown of security systems prior to the attack. Why were bomb sniffing dogs removed. There are so many questions unanswered, so much debate silenced under the the suffocating muffle of flag and cross.

    We repeat history's mistakes. A nation stands by as innocents die. Was Nazi Germany so different? Is our jingoism and religious fervor no less manipulated? When we stop questioning, when we allow debate to be controlled by an elite cadre of avarice, we allow atrocities to be committed. Our government has not been investigated nor have they been held accountable for its hand in 9/11. Nor has it been held accountable for the crimes it has committed in Iraq. Why is the question we should all be asking.


    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I am a regular viewer of Bill Moyers Journal and applaud you for giving voice to so many courageous people. I'm dismayed, however, that you have not incorporated any of the dozens and dozens of questions being posed by the 911Truth.org movement. There are critical holes in the official 9/11 story regarding WTC7, the Pentagon crash, the Twin Towers collapse, and the Pennsylvania crash. Polls are registering huge percentages of people who believe that key members of the American government were complicit in the attack (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040830120349841). Many of the brightest technical minds are on board with this. Many key people in positions of authority are also.
    I personally believe, after much reading and investigation, that 9/11 was a false-flag operation that allowed the present government to go to war and take away civil liberties. These latter two issues are frequent topics on your program.
    Please take a moment to look into events of 9/11 with a fresh perspective. It is a brave step, but it is one that could lead to the real truth, the truth that we must have. Please do not dismiss the questions, nor the inconvenient answers until you have read the arguments. Droves and droves of people are seeing the light as I see it. Please come along with us on this quest. - ricep, New York City

    Jesse, you refuse to believe the obvious when it comes to Bush but quickly believe anything negative about Clinton. As an independent I hold all accountable.

    That's more reality for ya. 9/11 an inside job... puleez.

    I am a regular viewer of Bill Moyers Journal and applaud you for giving voice to so many courageous people. I'm dismayed, however, that you have not incorporated any of the dozens and dozens of questions being posed by the 911Truth.org movement. There are critical holes in the official 9/11 story regarding WTC7, the Pentagon crash, the Twin Towers collapse, and the Pennsylvania crash. Polls are registering huge percentages of people who believe that key members of the American government were complicit in the attack (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040830120349841). Many of the brightest technical minds are on board with this. Many key people in positions of authority are also.
    I personally believe, after much reading and investigation, that 9/11 was a false-flag operation that allowed the present government to go to war and take away civil liberties. These latter two issues are frequent topics on your program.
    Please take a moment to look into events of 9/11 with a fresh perspective. It is a brave step, but it is one that could lead to the real truth, the truth that we must have. Please do not dismiss the questions, nor the inconvenient answers until you have read the arguments. Droves and droves of people are seeing the light as I see it. Please come along with us on this quest. - ricep, New York City

    Your reality I think is peyote-laced, with all due respect. I think your continual posting of "The real reason we're in Iraq" is something you have saved on your computer and you post that same thing on every blog you find. No way someone repeats themselves like that in verbatim unless they have it saved. If that's true, then that's really disturbing. You can have your own take on reality. I want no part of it.

    To: Jesse Norman

    Go ahead and live with your attitude against Clinton if it makes you happy. If you have time open your mind up to reality.

    I hate people that's the one true emotion that calls me out to challenge them to a difficult round of it...I was born to stick the needle in the balloon heads of the world...
    gary alan brumley

    You guys really are funny with your views. What if I don't get rid of the chip on my shoulder over Clinton? Get real. Jay P, if you were speaking on this thread you'd sound like a tape recorder. This is the third time you've said that same exact thing, one on another thread. Guess what I asked three times to you... in case you didn't answer correctly, it was "WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE?????!!!!!" I still haven't got an answer.

    To: Jesse Norman
    You seem to make many assumptions when it relates to Clinton but are very defensive with Bush. Get rid of the big chip on your shoulder.
    The Real Reason We're In Iraq:
    An influential group of conservatives convinced President George W. Bush that it was in America's best interests to conquer Iraq as a first step toward dominating the oil-producing nations in the Middle East. There was no "exit plan" because we never intended to exit. The plan was, and is, to build military bases in Iraq and stay there forever. Our leaders see Iraq as a place to make money. So Bush & Co. have set up their friends to cash in on the rebuilding of Iraq.

    If you have not let your congress critters know your views on impeaching the current occupant and his puppet master I strongly encourage you to do so. If you do not know how to contact these people here is a URL that will help resolve that small item http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm

    Let your elected officials know what you are thinking and what you'd like them to do, while there is still time and before all your rights are taken away by the imperial shrub.

    While the Congress hesitates to impeach the President and Vice President, what are the alternatives for citizens who think that the President and Vice President have committed crimes against the nation? For instance, is making a collective citizen's arrest a possibility?

    "A strong argument can be made that the right to make a citizen's arrest is a constitutionally protected right under the Ninth Amendment as its impact includes the individual's natural right to self preservation and the defense of the others. Indeed, the laws of citizens arrest appear to be predicated upon the effectiveness of the Second Amendment. Simply put, without firepower, people are less likely going to be able to make a citizen's arrest. A random sampling of the various states as well as the District of Columbia indicates that a citizen's arrest is valid when a public offense was committed in the presence of the arresting private citizen or when the arresting private citizen has a reasonable belief that the suspect has committed a felony, whether or not in the presence of the arresting citizen." (For details, see http://www.constitution.org/grossack/arrest.htm.)

    If committing a felony is the benchmark for determining whether a crime has been committed, are violations of their oath of office felonies. For instance, if they violated their oath to support and defend the constitution of the United States, is that violation a felony?

    You've said quite a mouthful Deep Throat. Let's see if I can break down your list:

    1. Failed to prevent 9/11: well Bush wasn't even in office for 9 months when it happened. Although I don't feel he did enough if anything at all to prevent it, Al Qaeda was hitting us all over the world when Clinton was in office and Clinton did absolutely nothing about any attack.
    2. Failed to kill Osama: you're right, he did. Here's something you won't like reading though. Sudan offered Clinton three times for them to capture Bin Laden, ship him to Saudi Arabia where we could then take him. Clinton said "we can't get him on anything under international law" so he refused. He denies this, but he was caught on audio tape not only getting these offers but declining.
    3. Manipulating emotion for Iraq war: I totally disagree, but that's just my opinion as it is yours.
    4. Blaming Katrina on Bush is just foolish. While he may have not acted quick enough, the citizens who were trapped in New Orleans were supposed to have been evacuated. Mayor Nagin released a free dvd a year before Katrina saying if there was a Cat. 3 hurricane or higher that they would evacuate the city. Those who had no way of leaving would have school buses escort them out of the city. This didn't happen in Katrina. New Orleans didn't evacuate and the buses were left under the water just like everything else. Is Bush supposed to tell the mayor and governor to evacuate their own citizens? No, that's their job. Blaming Bush for this is ludicrous.
    5. Partisan Supreme Court: Bush is President and can nominate who he wants.
    6. Corruption in congress is Bush's fault? Republicans had Abramov and the democrats have Hsu. What's the difference? There is one... Hsu was a fugitive from the law for larceny when he did his fundraising. Wound up giving $850,000 to Hillary Clinton. The addresses of those who donated, collected by Hsu gave as much as many of their homes were worth.
    6. I'll skip down to global warming: Did you know Mars is warming even at a faster rate than Earth? According to NASA Mars has gone up .65 degrees celsius while Earth has gone up .60 degrees celsius. NASA came to that conclusion because of Mars' polar caps. When I was a kid I remember the consensus among scientists was that we were in an ice age. Remember that one? Made the cover of Time magazine even. Since they have talked about global warming for the last twenty years or better, that means within a decade scientists went from ice age to global warming. How does that happen? Can man create such a warming? Nope. Only the Sun can. That explains the warming of Mars too, unless you believe Bush is warming Mars by lasers.

    Most of these are too easy, but you get my point. I agree with the outsourcing of jobs big time, but who adopted NAFTA? Clinton did. Remember Gore arguing with Perot on Larry King in that debate where Gore was arguing for NAFTA? We're still losing jobs to NAFTA and Mexico has only gotten worse. I can play these games all you want. Gotta do better than this. Dividing our nation happened when the left cried about how Al lost the election with all of those silly allegations about how Bush stole it. Even Bill Maher admitted nothing illegal or wrong happened and he hates Bush. Those votes in Florida with the hanging chads were counted by the press. According to the media who was in on the counting, Bush gained votes, not lost them. They probably wanted Gore to win in their count because that would have been a huge story. Bush gaining votes obviously wasn't. Releasing spy ID... the woman sent her own husband. DUH! Who's not going to know? She even said she doesn't know whether or not she was undercover at that time. Did you watch her testimony on Capitol Hill? Sorry, had to get to a few more.

    Carol, the info I got I found online which was done by the media research center. Glad you don't like the extremist views because a lot do. Moveon.org will be emboldened since NONE of the democratic presidential candidates not only denounced the ad, but gave it credence by parroting it.

    Deep Throat, those were too easy.

    With all of these failures, there's gotta be something to impeach this one.

    1) Failed to prevent 9/11
    2) Failed to Kill Osama
    3) Manipulating 9/11 emotion to lead us into Iraq War
    4) Katrina
    5) Partisan Supreme Court.
    6) Corruption in Congress
    7) Corruction in Business
    8) Tax relief for Haves.
    9) Uncontrolled Medical coverage.
    10) Record deficit/debt.
    11) Rising oil costs.
    12) Global Warming.
    13) Ignoring Genocides and world pandemic diseases.
    14) Ignoring War on Drug.
    15) Illegal Aliens.
    16) Off-shoring US jobs.
    17) Dependency in foreign manufacturing facilities.
    18) Failed financial regulations.
    19) Shrinking middle class, increasing gap between haves and have nots.
    20) Loss of credibility in the world and weakening world alliances.
    21) Violating Civil Liberty.
    22) Releasing spy ID.
    23) Refusing to cooperate with GAO, FBI, CIA, Congress by hiding behind executive privileges and national security.
    24) DIVIDING OUR NATION.

    Thank you, Jesse. We do agree on some things. You have a point. Personally, I take extremist comments with a grain of salt. I don't believe we had much choice but, to trust the President's decision to go to war based on what he and the media presented. If it's technically a war, a not is debatable. I don't know where you are getting your information but, I understood Moyer's to say that the D.C. press tend to be the President's righthand man. At any rate, I don't believe anything should be based on surface value and find a complex world deserves better. The transparency we often hear about and that is so desperately needed becomes the center when we turn away from lies and deception in times of desperation or otherwise. It starts with each of us(me).

    Finally we seem to agree on something Carol. There is another thread on here from a show done by Moyers about how the press was complicit in convincing the country in going to war in Iraq. Of course many people actually bought this. No one in the press was "afraid" to criticize Bush because they have done it from day one. Is that a bad thing? No, of course not. But Moyers trying to convince people the press was Bush's right hand man is ludicrous. There's further evidence of the liberal bias in the media when Moveon.org received a hefty discount for putting that ad up about General Petraeus by the NY Times. Supposedly they received a $100,000 discount. The Times gave some bs excuse as to why they did, but anyone with any keen sense could see through that. Carol, your point to me beforehand was that the press wasn't honest. Which side were they going towards dishonesty? It would be the left wouldn't it? Obviously the NY Times weren't thinking of profits when it gave Moveon.org their discount. Obviously the print media isn't thinking about profits since their bias has turned many away from buying newspapers. Actually they can't resist themselves. Newspaper subscriptions are dwindling by the day. I don't think they really care about profits because their profits are down. Sounds logical, right?

    I'm a realist and I don't try to see things just to validate my own opinion. I don't twist and turn things to suit my suspicions. I don't cheat myself with that kind of logical thinking. MLM you said you were a republican for many years but hated the rhetoric of the right. Have you heard of the rhetoric on the left, which is by far worse than the right? Moveon.org owns the democratic party. What happened this week when democratic politicians accused the General of the same thing as the Moveon ad did was despicable. You had a compulsive liar in Hillary Clinton call an honored General a liar. Dems all over the place called him a liar after many sang his praises as they casted their vote. None of them dared to question Petraeus as to why he would lie and then soon send off his own son to Iraq. When Bill Clinton was called a murderer by the far right over the death of Vince Foster, the republicans denounced it. When Moveon.org says anything the democrats nod in agreement. How many times have you heard Bush called "a nazi" or "Hitler", yet the democrats are loudly silent. Listen to the rhetoric on the left and see how it's NOT denounced.

    Wait til '08 and see the rhetoric on the left with a more powerful Moveon machine. You might have heard in the '00 election about how if you vote for Bush another black church will burn. That will be nothing. When the american people see the rhetoric on the far left and see how it's not denounced by dems and vote for the republican, I really see Moveon.org possibly totally taking over the democratic party. They do say they have bought and paid for the democratic party. I have to agree with them.

    Good point, MLM. Blogs can be addicting but, please, pace yourself. I believe your input is quite valuable and wouldn't want to lose touch. I believe that there are more that strive for the center are in more numbers than we've heard from or about. It gives me a sense of hope.

    These Blogs are too addicting.

    When it comes to the press, these old ideas of Right and Left leaning really no longer apply.

    Today the press and the media have been consolidated into huge Corporations.
    The driving force is profit, shareholders, and stock prices.

    If anything they have all shifted to the right, because the right is completely pro business and deregulation.

    One thing for sure, the idea that the media plays a valuable roll in keeping democracy in check is lost.

    The reason this blog appears so one-sided is that it seems to be the only place where this point of view can see the light of day.

    I am not excited about either party either. But not participating is NO option. My family heritage goes back, on at least three branches, to the 16 and 17 hundreds on these shores. Radical passionate individualism just runs in the family.

    My political strategy at this point is to use my vote to try and bring the pendulum back closer to the center.

    Thanks for your comments, MLM. I'm glad you just took a break and weren't away for long. Sadly, I'm not very impressed with any of the politicians. Right now I don't see myself at any party affiliation. Facilitating the truth in for democracy and freedom takes a joint effort in diplomacy and understanding without deception. It is a process that requires civil contemplation and debate. The occurances and exposure of that is, sadly, not a standard that is used enough today. We all have choices as well as responsibilities that must be addressed. Jesse, I don't know anyone is naive here except maybe the politicans, if they think the lies and deception will work for them, at least, in the long run.

    You know I grew up believeing this BS about the press.
    This is the debate that is truly irrelevant and trivial -- this seeking to demonize the opposition. It is a totally non-productive debate that diverts the masses from debating the real issues that affect our lives.

    In order for America to work, it takes both the Left and the Right. What makes our County GREAT and keeps everything in check is the DEBATE between the two, NOT the annihilation of one over the other, as if it were a cockfight, as seems to be the mission of the Republican Party.

    And, I say that not out of what I hear from the press but by the language of the automated phone calls and letters soliciting donations from the Republican Party. (I was a card-carrying member until recently) Also I receive this same rhetoric from my Republican representatives when they respond to my letters. Having been a conservative for 52 years, it is the Right Wing Rhetoric that has changed my viewpoint. Everything about the current regime is about shutting down debate by demonizing anyone that disagrees. THIS IS A DANGEROUS TREND.

    I have lived through total Democratic control and now total Republican control. I speak from my own experience, I personally have NEVER experienced fear that my fundamental constitutional freedoms were in jeopardy until today -- freedom of speech, separation of church and state (which is the fundamental key to freedom of religion), freedom to be secure in my affairs under the 4th amendment. I see all of these eroding into an Elitist Theocracy reminiscent of 18th Century England -- conservative vs. liberal has just replace the 18th century protestant vs. catholic. The world has traveled down that road and we don’t need to revisit it, to do so is truly unAmerican.

    In fact the key threat her is Elitism, which is running rampant on all sides.

    Sadly, I don’t see any hope in the Democrats either

    Well I'm not naive. I realize we don't live in Utopia where everything is at it seems or right. My friends think I'm actually quite savvy. Even the liberal ones. A lot don't like what I have to say, but they definitely respect what I say since they do know I know what I am talking about. Hey, it's a gift.

    I know most on here won't agree with this, but the press mostly is left leaning. This story and others on PBS are just a small example. Do you recall the Moyer's piece "Let's Get Clinton Impeached"? I don't either because it never happened. MSNBC collected data on 143 journalists who made donations from the 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaigns, 125 gave to democrats or liberal causes while only 16 gave to republicans. 2 gave to both parties. Can't say MSNBC is right-wing since Joe Scarborough said the MSNBC newsroom booed when Bush was speaking at the State of the Union address in 2003.

    In 1992, 89% of Washington based reporters voted for Clinton. In 2004, 52% of tv and newspaper journalists voted for Kerry, 19% for Bush, and 21% refused to answer. Let's split those who didn't answer and say Kerry had at least 62% of the vote from journalists. When asked "generally speaking do you consider yourself a democrat, republican, independent, or something else?", 33% said they were democrats while 10% said they were republicans.

    Foxnews does lean to the right. The only reason why they look so far right though is because everyone else leans left. No one would care if Foxnews leaned to the right except they are doing very well in the ratings. See how I'm willing to admit Foxnews leans to the right? Will anyone else here admit most of the media leans to the left? I doubt it. Who's the naive one?

    Jesse, I give President Bush, Republicans and even Democrats a fair chance to prove themselves worthy of govering us, but if you think that all journalism can be trusted and facilitates the truth in democracy and freedom such as the stories 9/11 and subsequent outbreak of war in Iraq, I find you quite naive. What I would like to know is... when does the healing begin with such outright "picking?" When we are not diplomatic enough, there is no choice but, war. A new administration would at least give us hope for peace, if, and maybe if, we can show them by example.

    Meant dyslexia. Darn typos.

    The evidence is in the 9/11 Report which was done by a bipartisan commission. Looks like they posted my comment afterall, only a day after I sent it. I'm sure some postings don't get through for whatever reasons but if you look at the other threads and it's at least 99-1 against Bush or the war. I've also seen the wackiest contributions on here as well. A lot of anti-Israeli sentiment, too. Yeah, blame the only civilized country in the region for protecting it's sliver of land against the continent scale lands of arabia.

    Didn't know you were dyxlexic. In my first post I did ask if you meant WWII and really didn't know what you meant about "freighting". I assumed "frightening" but didn't know.

    Jessie

    I am sure your posts not getting uploaded is due to user error, the same has happened to my post and I never took it personally, as I have reposted from a word document and they uploaded just fine.

    Thank you for pointing out my typos, and obvious problem with dyslexia. I really appreciate that, so kind of you. Of course I intended to say WWII.

    I disagree that Bush “never” said that Iraq was responsible for attacking us on 9/11. I listened to him with my own two ears. He clearly connected the two and NO one would have made that connection with out the Bush propaganda. But I am sure you hung on his every word and were able to catch his every speech.

    Show me the evidence that Saddam and Al Qaeda were connected, because the opinions and reports I have listened to say differently. The nonpartisan analysis that seems most reasonable points out that Saddam saw Bin Lauden as a threat to his power, he was much too paranoid of a dictator to allow Al Qaeda to operate out of Iraq. In my opinion this rings true.

    Saddam was focused on two things, the local power play to control the Persian Gulf between Iran, Saudi Arabia and himself and his insane tribal hatred for his own citizens. These two things are what prompted him to invade Kuwait, which prompted the first Gulf War. He wanted Kuwait because the other two major players control so much more coastline and this inhibits his ability to compete in shipping his oil. Saddam was an insane, ruthless and evil character with no redeeming qualities. I am sure he is burning in hell. But, it is quite likely he never really had plans to attack the US, his neighbors for sure, but the US … his world was much, much too small.

    Oh and by the way, I never supported, liked or voted for Bill Clinton. In my opinion he is just another sleazy Politician who cannot control his behavior. I have always agreed that he inherited the good economy rather than create it. And failed to see or take action to prevent 9/11. Passing the looming crises on to Bush. This is why I defended Bush in the beginning. But, I also do not think that anyone, including the terrorist could have anticipated what actually happened – the two buildings collapsing. So blaming in hindsight is really not a productive thing to do.

    I still believe that if we give up our most basic freedoms we have let the terrorist win.
    And I still believe this is what is happening. This administration response is DEAD wrong as far as I am concerned and rather that winning the war on terror we are just fanning the flames, giving justification to their hatred and feeding our own irrational fear.

    I am really honest when I say I would rather die in another terrorist attack than to give up my basic liberty under the Constitution and live in a country that is not free.

    I have grown weary of this discussion so I am signing off. Have a happy life.

    Please excuse any typos or misspellings, spell check and unfortunately I are not perfect.

    I guess I'll have to repeat what I tried to send earlier but wasn't posted. I think it was my nicest post too. Weird that I have read some postings calling Bush a murderer made it with no problem. No bias at all though.

    I have never heard anyone in the administration say "Iraq was behind 9/11". It never happened, so what the poll shows is people will believe anything and certainly will believe what they want to believe. I can read postings here and say it's definitely not a one-sided flaw. Saying Bush or the administration tried to convince us that Iraq was linked to 9/11 is completely false. It never happened. What the Bush administration however said was there was a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda, which there was. It is evident from the documents we've recovered as well as the knowledge that Al Zarqawi was treated in Baghdad before the war.

    As far as comparing war speeches go, you can do that with anyone. You have to be smarter than that. What are speeches that rally people to war supposed to sound like? It doesn't even have to be about war. I bet if I had to I can find similar statements from Reagan and Ghandi. Were Ghandi and Reagan alike? No. What does 'freighting' mean? You lost me there. Hitler wasn't around in WWI either. I do strongly agree that the administration was very adamant about admitting mistakes, which made things worse. Rumsfeld was horrible and I celebrated the day he finally resigned. If I had more money I might have even invited all of you. Okay, I wouldn't have. I've never done drugs and I don't want to get a contact high. I guess also Jay P. is having trouble obtaining that evidence I have been waiting to see.

    In an effort to rally support for a war, any speech will have similarities. That's just common sense. If I had to I could point out things how Reagansaid things that sounded like Ghandi. See, one can do that without comparing speeches on war, so that means nothing. Were Reagan and Ghandi two peas in a pod? No. Did you mean WWII? Because Hitler wasn't anything in WWI.

    As far as the poll goes people will believe what they want to believe. What you accuse the administration of doing is simply not true. I have never heard of anyone in the administration say that Saddam was responsible for 9/11, therefore not being able to persuade people of believing such a thing. They did say there was a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda which was true. The more time went by the more documents were found linking them together. Al Zarqawi was in Iraq before the war and received treatment on a wounded leg in Baghdad. There are other things linking Saddam with Al Qaeda which you can find on the net. If anything the administration didn't differentiate one terrorist or terrorist organization from the other, which it shouldn't do. There are many with the same objective and there's no amount of appeasement that will make them change their minds.

    While I agree we should have concentrated more on getting Bin Laden, the status quo of the Iraqi situation was unacceptable. The UN loved Saddam despite his crimes because they got money and cheap oil. Who are the real criminals? Who really should be impeached? Why does the UN even exist when it runs away from its own charter time and time again? My question for all of you is do you believe we should go into Darfur even if and when the UN says 'no, we won't do anything'?

    Several people have objected to the comparison of this Administration and Hitler. I agree that this is a strong statement and of course has a strong element of hyperbole. I in no way wish to say that the leadership in Washington even comes close to that level of insanity and evil.

    Still there are, I believe some freighting similarities, in the tactics and inflammatory rhetoric that have and continue to come from this Administration. Rhetoric used to build support for the invasion of Iraq when our justifiable retaliation for 9/11 belonged with the Taliban in Afghanistan.

    The use of fear for persuasion, the demonizing of opponents, the unwillingness to admit mistakes, the refusal to change the tone of this rhetoric even after it was made clear that the basis for entry was false…is what concerns me most.

    According to a Harris poll

    In 2004 41% and still in 2005 22% of Americans believed Saddam Hussein helped plan and support the hijackers who attacked the U.S. on September 11, 2001.

    In 2005 24% of Americans still believe several of the hijackers who attacked the U.S. on September 11 were Iraqis.

    http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=623

    Neither of which has been proven true. This belief was fostered by this Administration.
    This is clearly, in my opinion, cause for alarm. I cannot say why this Administration was so intent on attacking a country that, no matter how evil and corrupt it was, did nothing to provoke our attack. And posed no immediate danger to the US.

    I am reading a book about WWI at the moment. In it are several quotes form Hitler, to me there are obvious similarities to the tactics used by this Administration to sell this War.

    “I shall give a propagandist reason for starting the war no matter whether it is plausible or not. The vector will not be asked afterwards whether he told the truth or not. When starting and waging war, it is not right that matters by victory.” Adolph Hitler

    “The broad mass of a people…falls victim to a big lie more easily that to a small one.” Adolph Hitler

    “ But the masses are slow moving, and they always require a certain time before they are ready even to notice a thing, and only after the simplest ideas are repeated thousands of time will the masses finally remember them…” Adolph Hitler

    Absolutely, Jay P. Still didn't tell me where your evidence is.

    Sorry, to intrude Jay P but, you might be over simplifying the situation. Technically, Bush & Company's motives to directly benefit from Iraq's oil would be a conflict of interest and, I believe, grounds for impeachment. I'm glad the military study came out in the news today that we need to take "lighter steps" in Iraq and move closer to ending the war without occupation and it's a relief to hear from hearts that may be in the right place. How the President responds seems to be the difference between him being able to then keep his job to the end of this term or not. It'll be interesting how it plays out. It also seems that the executive branch is watering down the responsibilities of the legislative and judicial branches as well... other items in Pandora's Box.

    To: Jesse Norman
    Thanks for your comments. Let me ask you this, if this war was started so Bush and Co. could benefit from the oil and taxpayer expense, would that be an impeachable offense?

    Jay P, where is your evidence of this? You know what evidence is, right? I can make up stuff all I want too but just because I can come up with it in my mind, it doesn't make it fact. Please tell us if you were a fly on the wall when all of this was supposedly discussed. I'd be interested in reading it. I'm tired of all this "American imperialism" talk. Name a country we have really taken over and kept. I don't recall ever hearing the saying "the sun never sets on america". If we went into Iraq because of oil, then how come oil is so high-priced throughout the world, not just in our country. Why do I have a big chip on my shoulder because of Clinton? Because he was very corrupt and I'm sure hardly any of you actually accept that he was. The only thing he really got credit for was a good economy and that was falsely accredited. He was just president at the right time with the internet boom. Just as he was leaving we had the internet bust. Al Gore should have gotten the credit for the economy since he invented the internet.

    Carol, you make a very good point. One side pits against the other almost like in a play. There's the good side and the bad side. Each side sees the other as the bad side, although I never heard Clinton compared to Hitler on the right like Bush has been nearly on a daily basis. It's almost like it's a setup. While most of America is in the middle, both parties play to their bases and nothing gets done. They worry more about playing "gotcha" than solving our nation's problems. My points have been consistent that selective anger does nothing because both sides have it. When a president is elected, he will have selective outrage pitted against him. That's the state of our country right now. If we left Iraq right now, what happened in Vietnam after we left would pale in comparison. You can argue whether or not we should have gone in and if we screwed up or not. Saying Bush lied though is delusional considering every democrat who said Saddam had WMD's along with every country in the world, Clinton, and Hans Blix must have been in on the lie. We all know that's not true I hope.

    It's obviously too easy to point fingers and take sides. Does truth in democracy and freedom require that we choose either Democrats or Republicans? I'm glad the discussion goes on. As far as what the majority thinks or does about impeachment now or what was previously done remains to be seen. Fighting a war is part of a process. There are battles won and lost, a journey. Is it our place to make Iraq a US occupation? The need for it remains to be seen. It's only then that will we find our destiny whether to end the war or not. We have not found the necessary leadership with the UN? It seems not. Discussion and Debate has it's purpose yet, let's not expect the required action to be proficiently done with too much delay.

    To: Jesse Norman
    You seem to have a big chip on your shoulder concerning Clinton. Why don't you focus on the present?

    The Real Reason We're In Iraq:
    An influential group of conservatives convinced President George W. Bush that it was in America's best interests to conquer Iraq as a first step toward dominating the oil-producing nations in the Middle East. There was no "exit plan" because we never intended to exit. The plan was, and is, to build military bases in Iraq and stay there forever. Our leaders see Iraq as a place to make money. So Bush & Co. have set up their friends to cash in on the rebuilding of Iraq.

    Charles, who are the people? It seems like most of you think that the majority of the country wants impeachment. Maybe the majority of people YOU all know, but not the majority in the country. Accept it. Selective outrage over corruption gets nowhere because it's just that, selective. Clinton was the most corrupt of any President ever. Much more corrupt than Bush supposedly is. Clinton did so many things that people don't even remember the majority of them because the sheer number is too voluminous to take in. Clinton was said to have "a scandal a day". That was said by Jerry Brown who ran against him in 1992 for the democratic ticket. Not a republican. And that was BEFORE Clinton became President. It wasn't just about his affairs either. Why don't you all get mad at politicians on both sides who are corrupt? How many of you contacted your congressman or woman or senator and ask to at least censure LA Congressman William Jefferson who was found to have $90,000 in cold hard cash (literally) in his freezer? I reckon none of you. I contacted my representatives over this. I also contacted my representatives over the Tom Delay situation. How much outrage was there among you when Gerry Studds had sex with an underage male page and then when re-elected received a standing ovation by the democratic caucus? William Jefferson also received a standing ovation by the black congressional caucus. Where was the outrage? Democrats will say "well the people of Louisiana re-elected him. Let the process work itself out and see if he is convicted. Then he will be removed". Selective outrage means absolutely nothing because both sides have it.

    I recently sent this letter to the Contra Costa Times in northern California.

    In the July 28th edition of the West County Times, Representative George Miller explained the Democratic Party’s reasons for not impeaching President Bush and Vice President Cheney. According to Rep. Miller, the Democrats are so busy ending the war they simply don’t have time to impeach corrupt politicians.

    Based on all the most recent Presidential approval polls, most citizens would disagree with Rep. Miller and the Democratic leadership. Let’s not lose sight of the fact that the Democrats voted for the war. Now, of course, they claim they were ignorant of the facts leading to the invasion of Iraq. I wonder if they even bothered reading any of the many books and articles suggesting that the invasion of Iraq would be a horrendous mistake and that there was no justification for it. The Democrats have failed to bring an end to an illegal war, which they promised they would do. They failed to restore our constitutional rights and they failed to bring the perpetrators of war crimes to justice.

    Rather than address these pressing issues, the Democrats focus solely on who will run for president in 2008. When we listen closely to what the candidates are saying we realize they have no plan to end the war. Our sons and daughters are dying and being seriously wounded on a daily basis in what Rep. Miller admits is an unjustified war.

    Impeachment is possible. Members of the legal profession and constitutional scholars have prepared the case. All the Democrats need to do is start the proceedings. Republicans will see which way the wind blows once the evidence is presented and they will be forced to act responsibly or lose future elections. So what are the Democrats afraid of? They are afraid that if Bush and Cheney were removed from office, Nancy Pelosi would become president and have to deal with the real issue: how to end the war and restore our constitutional rights. Instead, they would prefer to allow the war to continue, blame the Republicans for the quagmire in Iraq and walk into power in 2008. In the meantime, the criminals are free to continue living the good life, while our soldiers continue to die and become disabled. Our taxes will pay for this insanity while our country’s infrastructure collapses and the quality of our lives continues on a downward spiral.

    The people demand accountability, impeach!


    Charles T. Smith
    Richmond, CA

    That is my point, Jesse, there is no place for complacency whether middle ground or not. Thank you for your integrity. I just see a lot of corruption in today's world and without firm, decisive actions in leadership or elsewhere like, at least, careful consideration of impeachment and possible removal from office of the President and others we are doomed to fail. We can do it by being diplomatic...direct, firm, and kind. I do not have the gift of gab for a lot detail but, with intent as a generalist I can readily focus on the big picture.

    You do not seriously think Clinton only lied about sex in the oval office do you? If Bill Clinton told you the sky was blue, I know you'd look up just to make sure, just as I would. I laid out many things Clinton did and could have listed many more, and they're undeniable. I won't get into Whitewater even though something wasn't right there, to me it's not an issue. You don't think Clinton had Janet Reno stop those investigations that looked into his dealings on different fronts? Aren't those impeachable offenses? If you believe Bush lied about WMD's, then you must believe Hans Blix, Clinton, Gore, Senator Clinton, Putin, Chirac, China, Jordan, and just about every other member of the UN lied too about Saddam having WMD's. Clinton in the months leading up to the Iraqi war said Saddam had WMD's. None of those I listed I would consider "Bush-friendly".

    For those who want to do something about impeachment:
    H. Res. 333, the bill put forth by Dennis Kucinich to impeach Cheney, now has 19 co-sponsors. Sign the petition at http://impeachcheney.org/ and a message will be sent to your representative in congress. Over 117,000 have already signed.

    I am still hoping that Bill Moyers will have Dennis Kucinich on to discuss H. Res, 333.

    Dennis Kucinich has spoken out against the Bush administration's war on Iraq and now he is speaking out against war with Iran:
    http://www.dennis4president.com/go/newsroom/bush-setting-stage-for-war-with-iran/

    There are more reasons than ever to impeach Cheney; many are afraid that he will do anything to pull us into a war with Iran.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-gareth-porter/cheney-lieberman-and-ira_b_60705.html
    http://saywhen.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/letter-from-mckinney-sheehan-tarpley-and-kaminsky-warning-of-a-cheney-backed-new-911/

    And for those who are wondering where the protesters are: There are ongoing protests -- a good place to start is: http://worldcantwait.org/

    Clinton lied about having sex with a woman in the oval office.

    Bush lied to the American people and the world about the reasons for waging war against another country that was of no imediate threat to the US.

    Bush circumvented the 4th amendment and continues to put American citizens under surveillance with out warrant.

    Bush has circumvented international law concerning the treatment of prisoners of war.

    I'd say what Clinton did and what Bush is doing cannot even be compared.

    I do not take impeachment lightly, impeaching Clinton In my opinion was politically motivated. But, in this case I think we are talking about our core freedoms under the constitution.

    Impeachment was put in place by the founding Fathers as a last resort way for the people to correct the situation when the balance of power becomes so one sided that Democracy is threatened. It is my opinion we are at such a point in History.

    For me it is not about party bickering. This is about keeping American Democracy and Freedom alive.

    I have felt for some years now that it is increasingly in jeopardy.

    I agree we don't want to make this a trend. But that risk is a much less than the current one where the executive branch has more power than is cnstitutionally given or intended.

    In this case it will be the people who call for this action not political adversaries.

    I actually supported Bush in the begainning. Was impressed with hearing him speak in person before the first ellection. Agreed with the retalitory action on Afganistan who actually harbored and trained those who attacked us on 9/11. And, I was taken in by the lies about Iraq for a while. But it is now clear that there was and continues to be a hidden agenda, one that I do not support.

    I do not see any aother choice here but for the PEOPLE to demand corrective action be taken.

    Again thank you Bill for opening up the discussion.


    First of all Jeff, I'm sorry for your health situation. I myself have chronic kidney failure, so I will be fortunate if I do see 49. Why I have my health problems is because my father was exposed to Agent Orange while he served in Vietnam. Because of his exposure, I have IgA which caused later on proteinuria and hematuria, so I know what you must be going through with your health. I understood your post just fine. If I worked for the republican party or Rove, I'd have to be a follower. To be totally upfront, I am a registered democrat. The reason why I keep bringing up Clinton's impeachment is because Clinton actually did impeachable things, but there was not a program called "Let's Get The Conversation Rolling About Impeaching Clinton" on any network. Not even Fox. I'm all for letting go of the past, but my point was that this is very hypocritical. Many of the ones who were saying bad things (rightfully so) about those who wanted Clinton impeached are now talking about impeachng Bush. That's hypocrisy to the Nth degree. People do disagree with leaders of both parties on major issues and still keep their reputation as being honorable people who's not impersonating Joe Bloke while actually working for one of the major parties.

    Carol, as far as being in the middle being equal to complacency I fully disagree. Although my health keeps me from doing all I want in making my voice heard on issues, I do contact my congressman and senators pretty regularly. My congressman is Visclosky, a democrat, and has done a good job. One of my senators, Bayh has done a great job. If the democrats were smart, they'd really look into this guy. In order to impeach a president, they must do something REALLY bad in my opinion as is the opinion of most in the country. I don't believe what Bush has done warrants impeachment, and neither did Clinton. It would harm this country greatly to remove a president, and would be the start of a horrible road where impeaching presidents would be an issue with EVERY president from then on. Do you want to go down that road? I don't

    It actually gives me the "warm fuzzies" to read a blog that attracts so many educated participants.

    My knowledge is always expanded by watching the Journal and reading the blogs for this series.

    Several nights ago, I had the pleasure of attending a lecture given by the lead attorney for Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, the case that challenged the constitutionality of military trials at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Neal Katyal won that case and his remarkable lecture truly gave me hope.

    Katyal reminded us that Hamdan, a man with a fourth grade education who served as bin Laden's driver, was able to sue the two most powerful men in the world, Bush and Rumsfeld, and win. While I am disheartened that the suit was won only after a man who should have had a presumption of innocence had served years in Gitmo, suffering isolation, a lack of representation, and what anyone subjected to it would call torture, he did win.

    After the lecture the host reminded us that the kind of freedoms we have taken for granted do not represent the systems under which most of the world lives now or ever has. There have only a handful of times in history when free societies flourished. They have been few and infrequent and have never lasted more than a few hundred years. The general thinking of the American citizen is that things are cyclical and that this too shall pass. History does not support that view. History reveals that the freedom we have is a fragile thing that will vanish if not vigorously defended.

    If we allow what has happened over the last few years to go without serious consequence, we will lose the America we cherish. Impeachment is the only means by which we can declare that the actions of this administration are unacceptable and will not be allowed now or in the future. We failed to make this distinction when we accepted the pardon of Richard Nixon. That was a mistake for which we are now paying.

    Compared to Watergate, the crimes of this administration, violation of the constitution they were sworn to uphold, violation of U.S. and international law, and violation of the trust of the American people, the crimes of this administration are truly high crimes and misdemeanors and some would argue, treason.

    Many of you will undoubtedly think to yourselves "I can't believe she said that in a public venue!" That ill feeling you would have before you hit the send button if you wrote the same thing is the canary in the mine. As Wilson/Plame proves that this administration that is willing to act in retribution. That said, I believe the future of our nation is at stake.

    I hope everyone reading this will speak out, write the papers, call your elected representatives and remind them of the oath of office they swore. Call Speaker Pelosi’s office and tell her she has no right to take impeachment “off the table”. Her job is to lead the “peoples house” and represent the people of the United States of America by defending the Constitution of the United States. That cannot happen with Alberto Gonzales in the office of the Attorney General operating under the mistaken belief that it is his job to protect and defend the incompetence and arrogance of the man who sits in the office of the presidency.

    I know I am preaching to the choir and for that I apologize. But more and more frequently I voice my opinion and someone tells me that they thought they were the only one who saw what was happening. They tell me they don’t see the people on TV talking about it, “even on the Sunday morning shows”. We must be visible, we must show others that it IS acceptable to tell the truth and defend this nation.

    We elected a Democratic congress in 2006 and yet the "lame duck" President continues to flaunt the Constitution and act more like a monarch than a public servant. Congress does nothing. Too many are in the thrall of the special interests.

    Impeachment seems like a taboo subject--but I think everyone's just afraid. Two things are different from the turbulent 1960s when the people stood up and made the President and the Congress listen: in the 60s the citizens went out into the streets and the media covered all points of view. Where are the protesters and WHERE IS THE MEDIA? Complacency will destroy Democracy and, ultimately, America.

    In the words of George Orwell: "In a time of universal deceipt, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". Please continue being revolutionary. For the sake of keeping our Constitution as it was intended and not allowing it to be subverted, both Cheney and Bush should be impaeached.

    In the words of George Orwell: "In a time of universal deceipt, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". Please continue being revolutionary. For the sake of keeping our Constitution as it was intnded and not allowing it to be subverted, both Cheney and Bush should be impaeached.

    Thanks Jeff for trying. I wouldn't acknowledge the personal attacks. The point is promoting and tooling an intelligent, diverse discussion as indicated in Bill Moyers Blog rules. Anger divides. You needn't defend yourself that way. Peace to all.

    To Jesse: YOU DID NOT read what I was saying-Please try it again.

    1) I asked if you "worked" for Rove or the Republican not if you "followed".

    2)I never stated anything about whether you were for or against Impeaching Clinton-I asked why you keep bringing him up?

    3)I may suggest that you check out the Hegelian Dialectics in order to help you understand the point I was trying to make. If you cannot figure it out, let me know & I will try to help you. Our society is "side" oriented which I feel divides us and that events are intentionally created to keep manifesting this mentality. I feel ALL people, no matter what race, nationality, or religious beliefs need to recognize this and come together as one-if we all wish to continue as a species. The world has gotten too small to continue the way we have been-we need to stop thinking borders and nationalities and remove greed and personal ego from our thoughts if we wish to live in peace with each other.

    You are absolutely correct about me-I I am not as smart as you nor as young or good looking and I am retired-Mainly because I am no longer able to work-I have both Rheumatoid and OsteoArthritis along with HIV+ status-I am middle aged with glasses but a full head of hair. the middle age will happen to you too. I probably won't be alive when you reach 49. I am doing what I can to make up for what I did not do earlier in my life politically and environmentally because when I die, I want my soul to be able to look back and say to itself- I tried, I at least tried. I still feel sorry for you-you can personally attack me all you want-If that makes you feel better.
    I watched the Ken Burns Cival War series and what I was most impressed with was the the integrity, honor, and passion people had in our Country during that time period which is so lacking in todays society. You seem to have that - don't loose it-share it and spead it just stop being so self absorbed and stop attacking others-it devides us
    "Peace In"
    Jeff

    Watching the God’s Warriors program on CNN was so depressing to see so many fanatics in our world presenting their fundamentalist ideas under Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

    To comfort myself I came to Bill Moyers Journal as it rescues me from despair every week by meeting decent people.

    Thanks Bill

    complacency.

    Good point, Jesse. Yet, complatency is not appropriate in the middle ground either. Impeachment has a purpose and whether a President is permitted to finish the term, I believe, depends heavily on his actions. Let the Constitution work.

    You do have a neanderthal iq from what I could read. Is it possible that maybe, just maybe I can disagree with you without being a republican follower of Karl Rove? What you wrote is downright silly and further explains people who are on your side of these issues. I clearly stated that I was against impeachment with Clinton, but can't take my word for it because it describes me as somewhat in the middle. It doesn't make sense to you that someone would be ok with Clinton finishing his term as well as Bush. Great tolerance there. Loved the conspiracy theory you pushed there too. I know people on the left can't resist a good conspiracy. I'm sure some read what you wrote and said "yeah maaan, that makes sense". Define "large percentage". There was a large percentage who wanted Clinton impeached, but it wasn't most. I think "most" is key here. I am quite sure you are not in the majority on this issue. What's my point with Clinton? Gotta be kidding. I'm sure you didn't raise up a fuss when Clinton did terrible thing after terrible thing is what my point was. There was hardly a peep in the media about Berger stuffing his undies with documents containing Clinton's strategy against Al Qaeda and Bin Laden just before the 9/11 Commission was about to meet. I know it's probably not a big deal to you that he did that. Hardly anyone questioned why Berger did it. I guess the reason was obvious. He didn't want to show that Clinton HAD no strategy on Bin Laden. Most of the country is not conservative and it is not liberal. Most of us are in the middle. Far be it from me to speak for the middle, but I will anyway. We do not wish to see our leaders tore down. We didn't like the foaming at the mouth republicans when Clinton was President (still sound like a Rove guy?) and how they kept trying to tear him down. We don't like the democrats coming up with "Bush is a Nazi" slogans while laying onto us peyote-laced conspiracy theories, such as yourself. We elected them. They serve four year terms. End of story. -Me, a handsome (if I must say) 36 year old man with a head full of hair. Not a bald, middle-aged man with glasses who's reaping the rewards of recent retirement. You should put the bong down

    Dear fellow citizens and people of the world.

    My father John Edward Kwiatkowski was a career foreign service officer with the Department of State of the United States of America for 35 years retiring in 1995 as an FSO-1.

    As a fortunate son I grew up around the world where many times I was the odd one out a little blonde haired blue-eyed kid in south africa or the bahamas..

    I was at College Du Leman in Versoix, Geneva Switzerland from 1977-1979 on the same bowling team as the sons and daughters of the shah of iran and the ayatollah khomeini of iraq not to mention the sons and daughters of other semi-royal families from a variety of countries.

    Remember rod stewarts Do ya think I'm sexy album?

    I was 11 years old when that came out and those royal family children and I were on the same school bowling team with miss fisher the math teacher every friday on the bus to the lanes. We drank coffee and wine, and smoked cigarettes and weed together like brothers and sisters often do. And all the while our parents were planning their little war games.

    Guess what!

    We will all see that bowling team in action again, sharing and playing together in love and appreciation of one and all.

    Count me as one in support of impeachment proceedings against the current occupant and his side kick, Dick. What they have done to this country and our constitution, if not criminal certainly warrants impeachment. Bruce Fein and John Nichols, from differing philosophy's, have clearly stated that impeachment proceedings are valid, warranted and needed.

    I would really like to see Bill, interview Chalmers Johnson and discuss the imperialism and militarism being foisted on us by the military-industrial complex with the elected officials either turning a blind eye or in league with empire building that has been going on for generations. With the elections coming on and campaigning heating up some sunshine cast on the imperial role of the US and our foreign policy would be very timely for the citizens of this nation to know about.

    Dear Mr. Moyers: I just wrote to you about encouraging Oprah to feature a show about impeachment similar to the one that aired on PBS. All Americans and elected officials need to understand why impeachment is so important now. The Oprah Show reaches millions of average American viewers. You, Bruce Fein and John Nichols create compelling arguments, information and television. Contact her producers @ www.oprah.com and lets shine the light of truth upon the secrecy surrounding our government. Thank you for what you are doing!

    To Jesse-You keep bringing up Clinton did this, Clinton did that, Janet Reno blah-blah-blah. What's the point? It's now in the past and there is not much anyone can do about it. Should have, could have, and would have, BUT we didn't. It's quite obvious Congress failed to uphold the Constitution then and they are failing to do it now the only difference is that they DID at least put the Impeachment process into motion. Whether you like it or not, large percentage of America is for impeachment. If Congress fails to start Impeachment proceedings against George W. Bush and Richard Bruce Cheney, then we will all be saying should have, could have, and would have-two years from now-and that will be a shame. We need to make sure these politicians are kept in line or at least give them a feeling that they MAY have a price to pay IF they break the law and WE The People are NOT doing a very good job at that-that is even more shameful.
    This last statement is not meant to insult-your comments and responses raise a question in my mind if you are not who you say you are in here-as if maybe you work for the republican party or someone like Karl Rove-silly of me, huh?
    Signed,
    Average shmoe with a low, low, neanderthal IQ

    Thank you for pointing out that the impeachment processes are NOT punitive to- but, in fact, favor - all of our long-held beliefs that are held within the Constitution.
    We have allowed ourselves to perceive too much of our lives as battlegrounds.

    The "liberal media bias", is a fallacy. If the United States had a liberal leaning media, the United States would have never attacked Iraq.

    In the link provided below
    you see 7 people 4 in color
    & 3 in black & white...The 3 in b&w were captured 2 on
    5/29/2004 & 1 on or around 7/25/2004...

    (top middle)=AAFIA SIDDIQUI
    (bot.left)= FAZUL ABDULLAH
    MOHAMMED - these 2 were nabbed on 5/29/2004 from my
    911 call & people in this administration are covering
    it up - SO THAT THE REWARDS
    WHICH ARE CONSTITUTIONALLY BOUND TO BE PAID - ARE NOT PAID...

    Worse yet (F.A.M.)was held in U.S. custody for like 30
    months & recently dumped in
    Somalia - 1/2007 & he was targeted 4 assassination & the airstrikes missed him
    then as well as in 6/2007..

    Released from U.S. custody while under a U.S. Federal
    Indictment from the Southern District of N.Y. 4
    his alledged participation
    in the 1998 African Embassy
    all because the U.S. Govt. did not want to pay the reward...

    (bot.right)= AHMED KHALFAN GHAILANI was found in AMERICA & flown 2 Pakistan
    4 Pakistan 2 say they found
    him there 2 avoid paying his reward as well...

    The ARRAY of criminality & the numbers of crimes that were committed here alone -DEMAND A THOROUGH/RIGOROUS
    INVESTIGATION & WARRANTS A IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING AS WELL AS THE SWIFT REMOVAL &
    THE IMMEDIATE FIRING OF ALL
    THOSE HI-LEVEL CABINET GOVT
    OFFICALS WHO ALL CONSPIRED & COLLUDED IN THE COVER-UP OF THESE VERY SERIOUS FELONIES...

    My life was totally ruined
    & destroyed 4 doing what FBI dir. Mueller asked all Americans 2 do which was 2 help them find these people
    fast -- I do just that & my
    life is ruined 4 telling members of Congress of the corruption that was going 2 happen over all of this -
    my friend in the U.S.C.G.
    found out that the federal govt. planned on covering these matters up -- so that
    they (FED. GOVT.) did not have 2 pay the REWARDS...

    CHECK THIS LINK
    http://www.fbi.gov/page2/may04/bolo052604.htm


    THE TRUTH THE PRESS IS NOT ALLOWED 2 SPEAK ABOUT & THE
    TRUTH THAT THE GOVT. WILL NOT TELL CAN BE READ AT THE FOLLOWING LINKS...

    http://national-security-4u.blogspot.com/ - 911 call
    +

    http://low_down69.livejournal.com/ - secret P.D.B. the
    start of the colluded criminal conspiracy cover-up

    http://360.yahoo.com/caspereraser1 - letter I sent to O.P.R. as well as DOJ's CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION - whereas bush deliberately denied security clearances 2 DOJ officials 2 investigate what ever it was they were going to investigate - "NSA" illegally monoriting my communications to stop me from ACQUIRING A CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY from taking
    my case BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY & all my calls WERE HEARD/TAPED I AM SURE 2 BE PLAYED 4 BUSH & CO. - ALL CALLS 2 ATTORNEYS + THE
    CALLS MADE 2 O.P.R. AS WELL
    AS THE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION OF THE DEPT. OF JUSTICE...


    A LINK 4 MY REPLIES 2 THE HUFFINGTON POST BLOGS...

    READ MORE FACTS TOLD 2 THE PUBLIC / TOLD 2 THE ELECTED
    POLITICIANS & NO ONE IS THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATING IT...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/users/profile/NATIONALSECURITY4US


    NO ONE IS TELLING THE TRUTH
    & THESE CRIMES = TREASON...

    Dear PBS-

    Please, please, please stop airing Bill Moyer's program, "Buying The War." The more I see it, the more disgusted I get at this administration, and this rampant cowardice masquerading as patriotism among the populace. People, wake up! You were screwed over royally! There is no link between Saddam, WMD's or 9/11. Everyone in the administration knew it, they decided to tow the party line, and let Bush get away with this atrocity, and make no mistake, signing off on this war continues to wreck havoc on the
    American economy, and is still needlessly, carelessly, and callously killing thousands of soldiers and Iraquis, and for what? Please, PBS, dont air this program anymore. Nobody, nobody is willing to step up to the plate and demand our elected officials DO THEIR JOB, and initiate impeachment proceedings. Perjury over fellatio is impeachable, but a senseless war isn't? Being deliberately lied to isn't? Premeditated murder isn't? Feinstein, Pelosi and the rest of their ilk don't care about preserving freedom or democracy, they just want to keep picking up that paycheck. PBS can air this program till the cows come home, it wont do a bit of good until a collective "conscience" begins to take hold in this country. Everyone laughs about the so-called naivete of the 60's, but all I know is, this could never have happened forty years ago without reprisal from the electorate. So please, please, please PBS, stop airing "Buying the War."

    Not a problem MLM. Jay P, where is your evidence? You didn't mention the UN keeping Saddam in power for a matter of oil. They did that didn't they? The UN kept a dictator in power who they knew killed hundreds of thousands of his own people for oil.

    First: Jessie Norman, your point is well taken and you have my sincere apology for singling you out in this discussion. I respectfully agree to disagree.

    Second: Thank you Bill Moyers for opening up this discussion. I felt I was alone in my conclusions -- that no one else was seeing what I was seeing.

    Third: I want to thank EVERYONE who has participated in this on-line debate. You have all helped me to refine and articulate my position. Especially the person who posted the quote used at the end of my letter below.

    Forth: I believe in the collective power of the people. Below is a letter that I am putting in the mail today to the Representatives from the great state of Texas, and speaker of the house Nancy Pelosi.

    Now I must get back to running my business.


    August 20, 2007

    Dear ,

    I write to you to appeal and urge you to live up to your oath of office to defend the Constitution of The United States of America. I call on you to rise to the level of true Statesmanship for the continued future of our Republic.

    Never in my 52 years have I been as concerned for my basic freedoms as I am today.
    The issues that most concern me are:

    Executive Powers – the unprecedented increase in executive power is destroying the delicate balance of power so masterfully worked out by our founding Fathers.

    Surveillance of Americans – Is undermining of the Fourth Amendment and sets a terrifying precedent.

    Separation of Church and State – The Neo-Christian Right, and this Administration’s adherence to it, is turning this country into a Theocracy – the very situation our founding Fathers fought so hard to avoid.

    Preemptive Foreign Policy – Invading Iraq was based on lies and deception and motivated by imperialistic ideas of imposing democracy on a country that did nothing to provoke our attack. This strategy did not work during the “Crusades” and is doomed to failure today!

    Freedom of Speech – the current Administration’s tactics of demonizing opposing voices is reminiscent of Adolph Hitler.

    Freedom of the Press – the manipulation of the press to propagandize this War in Iraq is shameless. Allowing the consolidation of the press into huge media conglomerates is misguided and is destroying this vital component of our American democracy.

    Privatization – the privatization of basic services and utilities, such as electricity, has effectively set up a state of taxation with out representation. For example, my Electricity has increased 80% since privatization. There is no competition – only billing options. I ask you what am I to do…go with out?

    Individual Privacy – the covert gathering of information by US corporations and the use of technology to put consumers and the public under constant surveillance is sheer insanity. There must be accountability, guidelines and regulations put in place NOW!

    Distribution of Wealth – never since the “gilded Age,” preceding the Great Depression,” has there been such a disproportionate gap between the rich and poor. Is a similar economic disaster on the horizon too?

    Do not label my words as being from a left wing liberal. I have never voted for a Democrat in a Presidential election in the 8 elections of my voter eligibility. I am a devout Christian and a fourth generation United Methodist. Seven years ago I WAS a card carrying Republican. This is not about Party Politics. This is about our Constitution and the future of America.

    The only solution I see is IMPEACHMENT of the current President and Vice President of the United States. Which ACTION I urge you take in order to preserve American democracy for future generations.

    Please act. My country is starting to feel like the Capitalist Equivalent of the former Soviet Union.

    Sincerely


    MLM

    "There is none more enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free."
    Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749 –1832)

    The Real Reason We're In Iraq: An influential group of conservatives convinced President George W. Bush that it was in America's best interests to conquer Iraq as a first step toward dominating the oil-producing nations in the Middle East. There was no "exit plan" because we never intended to exit. The plan was, and is, to build military bases in Iraq and stay there forever. Our leaders also see Iraq as a place to make money. So Bush & Co. have set up their friends to cash in on the rebuilding of Iraq.

    I also notice that while getting a few posts pointed my way (against me as shocking as that is), none have actually tried to argue against what I actually stated. The Sandy Berger thing is indefensible. As our country was trying to find out where we went wrong with 9/11, Clinton's boy Berger stuffed the highest of classified documents into his socks and trousers which pertained to Clinton's strategy (or lack thereof) against Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Janet Reno did block investigation after investigation. Isn' that corruption? Clinton did take in chinese agents and took money from China so they could be on the "Most Favored Nation's List". Those agents did steal our secrets. Janet Reno stopped that investigation, too. Al Gore did go into a buddhist temple and take money from more chinese agents in California. Remember this line? "It wasn't a fundraiser, but I was there to raise funds." Does most of the country want Bush impeached? No, we do not. He has low approval ratings, but congress' approval rating (controlled by democrats now) is quite a bit lower. You all are the ones blinded by hate, not me. The republicans stupidly impeached Clinton for lying under oath. Even though that is a REAL impeachable offense, the country didn't want it. They lost the next midterm election so they paid their price for their blinding hatred. As you can read, I'm no republican either, therefore not the Antichrist to all of you. I didn't like Clinton (don't like Bush either), but we elected them both. Clinton should have finished his term, and so should Bush. I want what's best for the country, and taking down a sitting President people clearly on the other side don't agree with is absolutely wrong. There were two big elections in Europe with Germany and France elected more "America-friendly" candidates and parties. So much for that "America is hated all over the world" rant. Or perhaps MLM is right and that these things never happened, and that I'm just brainwashed. Bush and Cheney took a person that doesn't like them and made him (me) part of their mind-numbed audience. Funny thing is MLM sounds like the rest of you, but I don't. Who's brainwashed? I don't go to a meat market and ask if there's any filet mignon and get a "no" and blame Bush, Cheney, or them zionists in Israel. And I don't get what you all are talking about with the silencing of people. What is this? I don't see any stormtroopers on my street. Stormtroopers in your eyes would be the FBI I'm sure. Go ahead and call me brainwashed and ill-educated if you want, but you can't argue what my points were. Plus, I'd be more than happy to take an iq test against any of you. Blind hatred gets you nowhere but a step closer to the left-wing version of the KKK who huddle in their own masses and talk about Foxnews, Bush, republicans, and jews, except the KKK talks solely about blacks, gays, and .... jews. I notice the jews are a common theme among all of you. Looks like that old hatred hasn't gone away afterall.

    You just called me brainwashed MLM. So much for that "demonizing others with other viewpoints" thing eh? My iq is 174, what is yours?

    I just saw a taped video of the July 23rd program on impeachment of Bush and Cheney. Thanks for proclaiming what I've been saying ever since I heard Charlie Savage talking about Bush's presidential signing statements. To save our democracy Congress must hold Bush and Cheney accountable by impeaching them. Then the media would have to shine the light on all their lies, evasions, high crimes and misdemeanors, and the American public may finally wake up.

    However, I was very disappointed when Mr. Fein said that there are no statesmen in Congress to call for impeacement. Ohio Representative Dennis Kucinich is and always has been a statesmen, and he has introduced articles of impeachment and gotten considerable support. I am baffled that Mr. Fein and the media in general seem to ignore or dismiss Kucinich, even though he is also running for President. I hope that Mr. Moyers will correct this failure to give credit where it is certainly due.

    Anybody who is still defending Bush and Cheney deserves an America, and a military, in the state that it is in right now. As for those of us who can still think for ourselves, without having Rush or O'Reilly filter information and feed it like baby food to us, we won't stand for it.

    While some of us knew of Bush/Cheney's incompetence and poor character from the beginning, and millions of others who were suckered into voting for them--twice--(first out of anger and the second time out of fear) have finally come out of Karl Rove's sickly green fog, there are still, sad to say, many who would follow these criminals to the ends of the earth. I just hope they get there and all jump off the edge together.

    I believe in the America we all loved and cherished not only in the pre 9-11 era, but the pre Bush-Cheney era.

    It's never going to be the same again, and there's nothing more just than to put them through the impeachment process. Who cares about the right wingers who'll be outraged? They are in the minority now, and this act will expose them for what they are---weak-minded fearists who crouch in their living rooms watching Sean Hannity in the dark, waiting for the boogeyman terrorist to show up at their doors.

    Whatever Bill says is truth. His dedication to expose that truth is saintly. PBS would not be PBS without Bill Moyers.
    I am personality grateful to Bill for introducing me to Joseph Campbell {The Power of Myth}, back in the early 1990s. It changed me, and my life, and I have been on that path ever since. My website Myths-Dreams-Symbols reflects that journey.

    “Find out to what people will submit and you will find the exact measure of injustice that will be imposed upon them” - F. Douglas.

    As “the U.S. government is in shambles -- paralyzed, polarized, and mired in war, debt and corruption”, the excuse rational use by the leaders, “if we had known there were no weapons of mass destruction.”, “I don’t think we would have gone....”. These excuses does not justify to send our man and women to a war, to have over “3668 killed, over 27000 wounded “ at a cost of over $500 billions dollars.
    “Ignorance of the constitution - duty, obligation, responsibility to not represent the people is no excuse”. Abrogating the absolute power – duty, obligation, responsibility.” based on a policy that is “fundamentally flawed”, does not justify the lost of life!
    “The biggest ECONOMIC PERIL.. ignored” by the Congress and Senate is their fiscal irresponsibility"! “ The ECONOMIC PERIL” - “a tsunami of spending that could swamp our ship of state” was their duties, obligation and responsibility. The ongoing sub-prime mortgage crisis, a result of “irresponsible lending policies designed to generate commissions for....”!
    Rampant corruption, lies, irresponsibility, breached of duties, obligation and plunge
    our country into a war, debt and Constitutional crises is due to “transfer of absolute power.... and irresponsibility".
    A measure to injustice, “religion turned into a weapon of political combat -- a battering ram,
    aimed at....people”.
    Justification to amend some articles of “THE CONSTITUTION” are,
    The Congress and Senate no longer represent ALL THE PEOPLE.
    The Laws by the Congress are for benefits of special interest groups [at 2:27 am.]
    The Congress and Senate Abrogated the “absolute power ...”.
    Declare war based on a policy that is “Fundamentally flawed”
    The “Economic Peril” - ignored.
    The “will of the people” to directly “express their will on issues, laws, wars” is denied.
    “ Power construed liberally” results in corruption and no accountability.
    “The truth as always it hurts”!


    To Jessie Norman:

    Your comments here are a clear reflection of the level of brainwashing that has occurred in this country. No rebuttal is really necessary your words speak to this reality.

    The real key to America Democracy lies in the debate. Can we have a democracy if the opposing viewpoint is demonized? Is this not how all repressive regimes, dictatorships and even the terrorist operate and control the minds of the masses?

    Way back on the 14th someone was upset that people have compared Bush with Hitler. My reaction is this: I remember Hitler. I noticied the similarity within a few days after 9-1-1. Wishing doesn't make it different. We all are judged according to how we behave, not according to our motives or our wishes.

    The more I read and learn about the Bush regime, with its obsession for getting Saddam Hussein and the propaganda campaign on the run up to the war. The only thought I am left with about impeachment is why haven't proceedings begun?

    It is amazing that after the orchestrated propaganda campaign with it's imagery of mushroom clouds, and tons of biological and chemical weapons ready for immediate. That the American public accepts a "whatever" from the Bush regime as rationale for attacking a country that never did anything to us is pathetic. Even more onerous is the Orwellian tactic of redefining our purpose as the calling to bring Democracy to those people anyway.

    The more I read and learn about the Bush regime, with its obsession for "getting" Saddam Hussein and its fear mongering campaign on the run up to the war; the only thought I am left with regarding impeachment is, why haven't proceedings begun?

    It is amazing that after the White House orchestrated propaganda campaign with it's imagery of mushroom clouds, and tons of biological and chemical weapons ready for immediate use that the American public accepts a "whatever" from the Bush regime as rationale for attacking a country that never did anything to us and that had no tie to 9/11.

    Even more onerous is was the Orwellian tactic of redefining our purpose for attacking Iraq as a calling to bring Democracy to the people of that region.

    The institutional corruption, war profiteering, and systematic looting of our treasury to turn the greatest republic on earth, the nation that was the preeminent example of Democracy for the world, into a fascist dystopia is indeed criminal.

    I really don't care if Pelosi and other corporate sponsored Democrats lack the spine to save this nation. We are on the brink of the end of our nation. Stop these fascists before it's too late!

    I implore you to write your representatives, support people like Kucinich and Wexler. Demand Impeachment Now! Explain the truth to your friends and demand that they step up and do their part to make their voices heard.

    We are in a fight for the very soul of our republic. Don't leave this task to someone else. If the real "grass roots" common sense people of this nation sits idly by watching CNN and the latest installment of Linsay Lohan's sorry life, then I assure you that within 5 years you and future generations to come live in theocratic fascist state.

    Bill Moyers has created many great pieces throughout his career. This piece on Impeachment is another. However, he dropped the ball on one very pertinent piece of information. Articles of Impeachment have already been brought against Dick Cheney in the US House of Representatives in HR 333 by Congressman and Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich. This Bill already has 20 cosponsors and is the opening volley in a battle that will hopefully set our country back on a constitutional course. Every true American should urge their members of Congress to sign on and support this bill while we still have a country to save.
    G

    If President Bush gives up the extra powers he gave himself he should be allowed to continue on as President. If he continues to "Stay the coures" he should be impeached and held accountable for his actions, which should include jail time in one of the dungeons he has been keeping suspected Al Quida members. He should also have to endure the same conditions and "questioning methods" employed there.

    I wasn't talking about people. I was talking about the media on the far left. By the way, I'm not asking to impeach someone I don't agree with. Keep your pity.

    From a posting on July 14:

    Quote
    "Ken, July 14, 2007:
    I just caught the end of your show waiting for the British comedies to come on. What a bunch of crap! The democrats don't have the guts to stop the war or impeach Bush or Cheney. What congress should do is remove public funding for this show and send it to the troops in the war."
    Unquote

    Huh? Listening to uncensored democratic debate between constitutional scholars may have come as a shock to this commenter, who no doubt is used to feeding on a particularly scrofulous diet of propoganda purported to be "journalism" on Fox "News" Network. The same applies to others who have chosen to post similar, inane remarks. I despise people who obviously disagree with points made on the show but cannot properly articulate reasons why they object beyond what appears to be purely ideological grounds. This feeling goes beyond "despising" -- it goes to the roots of how much I am willing to sacrifice to have the privilege to live in a free, democratic society. Lest we ever forget that the gift of freedom comes with a high price of constant vigilance towards those who would so quickly and eagerly take it away from us. Yes, that means American citizens who live among us, not just Al Quaeda. Congress is an extension of the people, Mr. Ken, and if the people don't debate, Mr. Ken, how can Congress be properly informed through the democratic process to conclude that impeaching Bush and Cheney is in fact in the best interests of the country? Mr. Ken is one of these henchmen, these brownshirts in pinstripes, making up a minority population but nevertheless always out there in the millions among us. This minority hates the democratic process with a passion, and wishes to subjugate us to their own fascist, extremist ends. Of course, this is nothing new and as history tells us, fascism's ugly head inevitably pops up if we aren't quick enough to chop it off. This minority would like nothing more than for us to turn off Bill Moyers Journal and turn on ESPN or Fox "News" Network and forget about our civic obligations to fight for our rights, and debate real world problems and the needs of a functioning, democratic society. The militarist, extremist, fascist Christian Right and the military-industrial complex make up a large bulk of this minority in our country. Mr. Ken, if you don't like your freedoms, why don't you pack your bags and move to any of several US-backed fascist regimes? (Sorry, I couldn't resist the irony.)

    Consider please the following short sequence of events:

    8/12/07, early morning: The Cincinnati Enquirer runs a story revealing that “[d]espite a federal judge’s order to preserve all ballots from the 2004 presidential election--in which Ohio provided President Bush’s margin of victory--boards of elections in 56 of Ohio’s 88 counties lost, shredded or dumped nearly 1.6 million ballots and election records.”

    8/13/07: Karl Rove resigns.

    8/17/07: Dennis Hastert, former Speaker of the House, officially announces his intention not to seek reelection in 2008.

    8/17/07: White House Press Secretary Tony Snow announces that he will leave his post sometime before the end of the Bush presidency.

    After this, therefore because of this? Maybe not, but I wish someone would look more closely into this missing ballots story. The major media outlets seem to be ignoring it.

    To Jesse Norman:
    Why are you so angry? Why are you name calling the people you don't agree with as "Loons"? I feel sorry for you.

    Does anyone know about these Fema Detention Camps-The 600 to 800 FEMA Detention Camps?
    http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1062
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4
    Doing research I came across information on Herbert Walker Bush and the ties he had financially with the Nazi Party thru Union Bank-there was legal action taken by our Government in the 1940's against Union Bank because of these ties. Then I came across the Skull & Bones Societythat all the Bushes seem to be lifetime members of. So, I did some research on that. It seems the origin of the Skull & Bones Society came about in the 1820's or 1830's and it's three founding members studied the Hegelian Dialectic Philosiphy-The same philosiphy that Karl Marx embraced and the one the Nazi Party seemed to have used.
    This brings me to some questions-the first is where does GW's first loyalty REALLY lay?According to Wikipidia, 10 other members of the Skull & Bones have had positions in his administration, second-there seems to be simularities in the WTC demolition-er I mean attacks and the Reichstag fire in Berlin-why?
    I also did some research on PNAC-and my goodness! there are so many familiar names on the list of members.
    I suggest to all who question and doubt this I have presented that use the computer in front of you and google it- whether you hate people like me or not-just google some of this instead of calling me names-what are you afraid of? that maybe there is more truth to it than you want to know? what-are ya chicken? I dare ya -I double dare ya! Google skull & bones, google PNAC and google FEMA prison camps.
    If you have chosen a side, like a conservative or a liberal, You have become part of applied Hegalian Dialectics-That is exactly what they want of us and you are playing out the thesis verses anti-thesis which the eventual synthesis=an improved society. Then you do it over & over until you have a perfect-NEW World Order! Sound familiar?
    Impeach them before it's too late.

    Funny how you again didn't post what I wrote. Wonder why that was. Who's talking about impeachment but you left-wing loons? Even some of the most liberal democrats won't even hear of it. That's because MOST of this country doesn't want it, and it would be political suicide if they do. Clinton actually broke the law and the republicans paid a hefty price for impeaching him, and rightfully so. What is so comedic to me is that you think you have some real credibility here. Left-wing bias? What left-wing bias? Oh, this one. Yes, bias indeed. What is the impeachable offense? Seriously because I want to know. It's funny how all of you bring up how Bush is tearing the constitution into shreds, but I heard not a peep from the liberal media about how Janet Reno stopped investigation after investigation into Clinton. Where were your cries when former NSA Sandy Berger STOLE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS BY STUFFING THEM IN HIS PANTS AND SOCKS that pertained to Clinton's position in dealing with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda just before the 9/11 Commission was about to meet? I know you will go ahead and act like it's not a big deal like Dan Rather did. Rather even made the story more about the TIMING of the release of the story than Berger stuffing the highest of classified documents into his clothes. What liberal media? Oh, that one. Berger even admitted to throwing most of the documents away and couldn't produce the others. So why did he do this? Maybe, just maybe it would implicate Clinton, showing he did absolutely nothing about Al Qaeda and Bin Laden while President. Please do your best efforts to FAIRLY argue against that. Isn't stealing the highest of classified documents a crime? Bush didn't want Berger to serve anytime. Did he get a 'thank you'? Nope. Instead he gets bombarded over the Skooter Libby deal. The press is so blinded by their hatred of Bush it keeps them from thinking straight. It blinded Rather to where he lost his job. Yes, he was rightfully terminated. Presents false documents 50 days before the election because as he says "I felt the story itself was true". Great journalism. Wonder why PBS didn't confront Rather about that. Simple, they're on the same side. What liberal bias? Oh, that one. I know PBS likes to preach to the choir. Woops, I made a mistake. The words "preach" and "choir" are probably making you all convulse like Linda Blair. Instead of looking forward each morning and meeting with friends at a coffee shop or book store and talk about Bush, Foxnews, christians, Haliburton, Cheney, and jews, why don't you talk about family? Talk about fun times. You're even more blind than the republican dopes who kept talking about Whitewater and Lewinsky. I, unlike you am fairminded. I'm not a republican or democrat. I'm pretty much like the rest of America, right down the middle. I've posted a few things on PBS websites and never cursed or anything but seem that not even half of my posts make it through. Which one of the three monkeys is the blog administrator. I bet it's the one with his ears covered.

    I signed the petition to Impeach Cheney-Senator Feinstein sent me this:
    Dear Mr. Findeis

    Thank you for your letter concerning impeachment proceedings against Vice President Richard Cheney. I appreciate the time you took to write and welcome the opportunity to respond.

    In our most recent elections, the American people expressed clear disapproval with the path this country was on. They are tired of partisan politics and of an Administration that pays little heed to the wishes of the American people. They want-and deserve-a Congress that holds the Administration accountable and fulfills its Constitutional responsibility to check and balance the Executive branch. I share this sentiment and am determined to work hard and across party lines in the United States Senate to promote issues that are of real concern to most Americans, including the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan, homeland security, global warming, and lobbying and election reform.

    At this time, however, I believe that impeachment proceedings against President Bush or Vice President Cheney will only divide the country even further, frustrating our hopes for a meaningful change in direction, while having little chance of success.

    I have been deeply disappointed by many of this Administration's actions and have been outspoken in those instances. Nevertheless, given the challenges our country faces I believe that we need to focus on constructive and cooperative steps that would lead us in the right direction.

    Again, thank you for your letter. If you have any further questions or comments, please contact my office in Washington, D.C. at (202) 224-3841. Best regards.


    Sincerely yours,

    Dianne Feinstein
    United States Senator

    Why do I feel like responding to her with "But, Mommy-I want him impeached now! I want, I want, I want! Now,now,now! Yup, they do talk to us like we are children, don't they?!?

    Because of the format of the blog, I seem to be saying what the chap below me said. I think the current administration should be thrown in prison for a long time.

    I wish to reply to Jesse Norman's post.

    I can assure you my views are NOT a liberal vs. conservative argument nor are they personal vendettas against Mr. Bush and Chaney. Actually, I have never voted democratic and have always considered myself to be a conservative -- until that term was applied to the neo-elitist at the far end of the spectrum.

    For me this is about the Constitution and anger at the flagrant disregard for its fundamental core freedoms such as the 4th amendment, the separation of powers and the separation of church and state. These unprecedented measures have upset the delicate balance of power that our freedoms are built upon.

    I am asking for impeachment because my vote of confidence has been betrayed.
    I have been lied to, manipulated and played the fool. So it is not hatred but justifiable anger with an administration that has seemingly become as fanatically misguided as the enemy.

    By the way I did not vote or support Clinton either and agree that the problem with terrorism, inherited by this administration, was due in part by unsuccessful efforts by previous administrations. It is how the current Administration has used the situation to push their own fanatical hidden agendas that they need to be impeached for.

    Believe me my views have come a full 180 degree circle in the past seven years.

    This is about the Constitution and not wanting to wake up to find I am living the capitalist flip-side of the former Soviet Union. This is the path I see we heading down and I am speaking up now and will vote accordingly in the next election.

    The last poster is exhibit A as to what I said. "Enlightened"... give me a break. You people really need to get a life. Hopefully the federal government will stop funding this public television fiasco which is so left wing it only flies in clockwise circles. I'd say this channel and its shows preach to the choir, but the mere wording of "preach" and "choir" will have you all convulsing like Linda Blair. Go to France. They understand you and are enlightened as well. But better hurry quickly because their last election they look like maybe even they're starting to wake up. Perhaps you're liberal Utopia is receding as fast as your hold of common sense and fairness. What liberal bias in the media? Puleez!

    I'm sorry, this makes good conversation but, I believe it's going to take more than talk to see the light of day with this.

    I turn 61 this year and like many members of my cohort I have subconsciously made the cynical calculation that this republic need only endure for a few more years to satisfy my personal needs. We have as a people, suckled ourselves on the fruits of conquest and carefully cultivated our ignorance so as not to know how the great American sausage is actually made.

    Unfortunate the cosmic wheel of justice inevitably turns and the chickens are finally coming home to roost. Corrupt governments such as the one we have now, rise to meet a need. Ultimately aggression and oppression are needed to keep the material aspects of the party going just a little bit longer. So it is that parents are more than willing to stack the bodies of their own children on the ramparts of our empire like so many sandbags to secure just a little more of that comfortable, blissed-out, Super Bowl cocoon known as "our way of life".

    It's always great (and just a little too easy) to have villains like Bush and Cheney straight from central casting to personify the evil we have become. We can point our fingers in their direction and satisfy ourselves that they bare ALL the responsibility for our collective crimes. The fact is however, that IF their adventures had succeeded in delivering the promised goods at a reasonable price, all else would have been forgiven and Bush's approval rating would be in the 90% range. For the great bulk of the American people AND the people who represent them, there is no moral equation. The ONLY crime their president CAN commit is failure.

    I’ve spent these 61 years in the arts out here on the west coast, so I am blessed with many politically “enlightened” friends who never the less, refused to lift a finger or raise a question when it counted BEFORE hundreds of thousands of innocent people were blown to bits at the other end of our “smart bombs” decent. Then as now, they washed their hands and shrugged their shoulders, preferring instead to be acceptable and well liked.

    Courage delayed is effectively the same as cowardice and cowardice is the only word that describes the mass industrial murder of nearly a million people because of our unfounded fears. Cowardice is the only word that describes the surrender of our Constitution for the mere illusion of safety. This is neither the land of the free OR the home of the brave, we are just easily frightened people apparently unable to feel shame. So look in the mirror to observe the guilty party. As bad as it is, we still have a better government than we actually deserve and there is still time to redeem ourselves and some small portion of our self respect.

    Forgot to mention this too... Why didn't I hear none of you liberals cry and scream when former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was caught stuffing the highest of classified documents into his pants and socks that pertained to Clinton's policies with Bin Laden just before the 9/11 Commission was about to meet? Why did he steal those documents? Hmm? He even admitted to throwing most of them away. Where was your whining then? When our country was trying to find out our mistakes in not dealing with Bin Laden sooner, the former NSA stuffs his clothes with classified documents so his boss wouldn't be found out for his carelessness in dealing with Al Qaeda. Go ahead and mull all this over while you play pictionary.

    Who's talking about impeachment but for you left-wing loons? Seriously the problem with you people is that you hate Bush so bad that you can't think straight. You gather together with your friends at the book stores and coffee shops and talk about these things: Bush, Foxnews, Haliburton, Cheney, Karl Rove, and jews. Don't tell me you don't because I've seen you do it. You wake yourselves up out of sleep by yelling "BUSH!", drenched with sweat. I bet none of you are asking why Clinton turned down the offer from Sudan (three times by the way) where they were going to send Bin Laden to Saudi Arabia where we could pick him up, since Bin Laden was drawing unwanted attention to Sudan. I know Clinton denied this, but there's an audio tape confirming yet another Clintonian-sized lie. How about how Sudan told us what flight Bin Laden was on and Clinton did nothing about it. Or how we were attacked left and right with Clinton doing absolutely nothing about it. I know none of you are asking why did the UN keep Saddam in power so they can make money and get cheap oil from him. Kofi Annan's own man Benon Sevan was indicted as well as his son Kojo. I barely heard a peep from you liberals. I know none of you are asking why the UN is paying one billion dollars for renovating the UN building instead of building an entirely new one at a third of the cost. I know none of you are asking why Janet Reno stopped investigation after investigation into Clinton. I know none of you are asking why did Al Gore go to a buddhist temple in California and take money from officials from the chinese government. Or why did Clinton let in a chinese spy named John Huang and gave him top security clearance without any background checks (as ordered by the late Ron Brown). In an investigation by the CIA they found a four year plot by chinese agents with Huang that took advantage of lax security by the White House. Huang allowed agents and associates access to the highest levels of the administration. Huang went to the White House over 70 times and met in the Oval Office 10 times. The crux of those meetings were how the chinese government would donate millions to the DNC in exchange for Most Favored Nation status, which meant billions to Beijing. The agents went too far though. The chinese spies infiltrated top security secrets that dealt with US trade. The Chinese had advanced knowledge of America's negotiating positions in trade and economic talks as well as access to trade deals subsidized by America. Ron Brown died in a plane crash and then subsequently took the blame post mortem by administration officials. This story wasn't by some far right-wing rag like I know you wish it would be. This story was reported by the London Sunday Times. Now look at all the trouble we have with China. Recall after recall with poisons going into our pets and perhaps our children. I don't recall hearing any liberal anger for those things. Why? Isn't that far worse than Bush declaring war on a dictator? I'm not a republican or a "Bush man". I just know bias and delusion when I see it. Impeach Bush? Impeach yourselves.

    I really enjoyed your show on WWII. My father served in Belgium, Luxembourg and other places under General Patton. I was never able to get any information from him regarding his military experiences. He was a very quiet man anyway but was really closed mouth regarding his army experiences. All I know is that he served in the infantry. The book by Howard Randall seems to fit the bill for information I have been looking for regarding these conflicts. Is there any way to purchase a copy of this book? If so please let me know. I appreciate the time and effort you put into reporting this series because it has helped me so much to understand why my father was the way he was--he passed away in 1989. His name was John Sherman.

    Thanks again,
    Jan Mills

    I live in a very conservative town in washington state, who refused to vote for a mayorial candidate because he didn't go to church. But trouble is brewing here agaisnt Bush/Cheney because these same people, who once viewed these two in nearly God like terms, want them out, preferably in reverse order.

    Impeach both Cheney and Bush!!!

    The discussion was one that I wish more of the mainstream media would have and one in which I wish the Congress would have. Thank you for making time for this very informative show.

    The most vital and critical issue raised by far is that without impeachment the abuse of power by President Bush and Vice President Cheney will be handed down to future administrations. To believe, or trust for that matter, that this power will be relinquished by the next elected President, whether Democrat or Republican is insane.
    An excellent book written in the form of a fictional grand jury indictment charging the Bush administration with conspiracy to defraud the United States was written by Elizabeth de la Vega, a former federal prosecutor for 20 years, before retiring in 2004. It is published by Seven Stories Press in association with tomdispatch.com.

    The most vital and critical issue raised by far is that without impeachment the abuse of power by President Bush and Vice President Cheney will be handed down to future administrations. To believe, or trust for that matter, that this power will be relinquished by the next elected President, whether Democrat or Republican,is insane.

    An excellent book written in the form of a fictional grand jury indictment charging the Bush administration with conspiracy to defraud the United States was written by Elizabeth de la Vega, a former federal prosecutor for 20 years, before retiring in 2004. It is published by Seven Stories Press in association with tomdispatch.com.

    In many stories a counselor influences a weak simple king affecting the populace in negative ways. Sometimes the King is not so bad himself. Sometimes he is. Or as in this case, he has become completely convinced of his more intelligent advisor's points of view. I believe Cheney, Rice, Rove, and others in President Bush's administration will be remembered by history as the most unilateral administration we have had since Nixon's. May the next administration have the strength to fix many of their wrong doings. The most unfortunate result of having had this shrewd corporate minded administration is that they placed two Supreme Court Justices. That will not be negated by an impeachment. I've thought of 'sticking my head in the sand', but have not. Thank you for providing a much different type of broadcast than what is typical of todays ever merging media distribution channels.

    Why doesn't Bill Moyers have Dennis Kucinich on the program?? He's the only candidate who supports impeachment proceedings against Cheney and Bush. Why not give this "dark horse" some more visibility??

    Why is Carl Rove stepping down now? A time is coming soon when Carl will no longer have Presidential Privilege. By stepping down now he will still have a Presidential pardon available if things go bad. If he waits, he will lose both at the same time. Very risky.

    I was wondering why Dennis Kucinich was never mentioned during this impeachment program? A little ironic, don't you think?

    I doubt anyone will read this because there are so many posts.....I just feels good to post on a forum that for a change offers a little hope for what is left of my country....Up until now despite all of the letters I have written and forums I had blogged on I still had pretty much resigned myself to the fact that my country as I knew it.."Pre-Bush/Cheney" was gone forever....
    I have served 20 yrs as a Marine in defense of this country....Only to have to sit by and watch a hand full of politicians take it apart like a tinker toy...throwing parts helter skelter like pigs in a trough....At the end of the day they care nothing for the America the rest of Love and would die for...they care only about where they will be sitting in their "global economy" and what wealth they will accumulate as America is sold to the highest bidder

    I only hope other Americans have the courage to come forth in the numbers it will take to turn this tide and save what is left of this country before it is gone....

    The Real Reason We're In Iraq: An influential group of conservatives convinced President George W. Bush that it was in America's best interests to conquer Iraq as a first step toward dominating the oil-producing nations in the Middle East. There was no "exit plan" because we never intended to exit. The plan was, and is, to build military bases in Iraq and stay there forever. Our leaders see Iraq as a place to make money. So Bush & Co. have set up their friends to cash in on the rebuilding of Iraq.

    Since Nancy Pelosi would be the President if both the current president and vice president were impeached and convicted, it would not be appropriate for her to be the one to instigate and promote the impeachment. She should not; however, stand in the way of it. Lets each push our own congressional representative to take the action that the country so desperately needs right now. Time is extremely important, if we wait another year the damage will be irreversible.

    Some of the proponents of war and this administration are what is truly frightening and pathetic. The number of Americans who still live in denial is the example par excellence of the denial, the ignorance and the misoneism that got us all in this sordid quagmire to begin with
    -here and worldwide. Instead of looking at our own latent unconsciousness we attack others that don't follow the herd mentality, and eschew and avoid our own darkness. This becomes catastrophic on a collective level and we refuse to see that have become the very thing that we hated. The psychological aspects of our actions an behavior are overlooked and ignored while so much suffering and man's inhumanity to man continues unabated. We are lost and apparently don't even see the signs that history and, for instance, the Fall of Rome taught us.
    Never have the words of German Shakespeare, Goethe been more true: "There are none more enslaved that those who falsely believe that they are free."

    Nancy Pelosi has most likely taken her "impeachment off the table" position because (a) she has not yet consolidated her powers as Speaker; and (b - the bigger problem) if she calls for impeaching both the President and the VP, she would be subject to relentless attacks from the right wing because it would look like an attempt to grab the Presidency for herself since she's next in line. Pelosi needs the political cover of someone else from the House Judiciary Committee to take the lead by instigating the call for impeachment. House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers should stand up to this task and be the public champion of this cause. If Pelosi reluctantly agrees to a popular public DEMAND, then she can be the modest, reluctant supporter and largely avoid the inevitable smear attempts on her own motives.

    I am always impressed by Bill Moyers's ability to ask profound and insightful questions of the right people on topics that most journalists are afraid of.

    I scanned the responses below. Most viewers of this show are the kind of thinkers that can hold several different points of view in their minds at once. All of the contrary responses simply spew regurgitated propoganda and loaded language that has nothing factual to add to the discussion.

    All: please continue to hold this discourse. Ask the tough questions. Act based on the facts you observe.

    Powerful. Now...it is time that WE THE PEOPLE do as our founding fathers intended: To immediately urge our congresswomen/men and Senators to take steps to protect our country and our U.S. constitution from the on-going assault, abuses and the disconnected values of the Bush Administration. Their barrage on the very pillars of our democracy...our individual liberties, the separation of powers, to name just two, do indeed rise to the high crimes and misdemeanors which our founding fathers took pains to create an orderly process to cure. This cure is called the Impeachment process. Every citizen and patriot must know that if our fundamental rights and the laws of our land are ignored by the Executive branch, we as a people, and this country we love will suffer permanently. Successor President's will take office and know that WE THE PEOPLE have a track record of remaining on the side lines, permitting any future Executive Branch unchecked powers. Call, email and visit your Congressional reps and Senators. Include Nancy P. and demand that they take action and start the Impeachment process now. Urging the start of an Impeachment process is not radical, this is THE cure and what our founding fathers wrote into the constitution as the plan to follow in just such a situation. As the panelists pointed out, the founding fathers were very concerned that all of us learn about and invoke this constitutional process of law when it is called for. They were very deliberate, so much so that the founding fathers repeated this "I" word six times so that WE THE PEOPLE would really understand how critical that this process is to us as individuals and in maintaining a viable democracy. It IS our duty to rise up and call for it. Make that your next email or act.

    A case might be able to made for impeachment of president bush for usurping powers and violating laws. If so, someone should be working on it.

    However, if we look at the history of wars and conflicts in America … presidents have often during wartime taken extraordinary liberties. From Lincoln to Roosevelt … the kind of legal grounds for impeachment that the two commentators were talking about could probably also have easily been applied to them.

    It is far from clear whether American jurisprudence needs to be applied to non citizens or even citizens deemed to be enemy combatants during a time of war… In the days of the civil war for example Lincoln took extraordinary liberties in regard to freedom of the press, censorship was a regular thing (something that this president has not done) and a confederate prisioner had no real constitutional protections or “due process” to speak of.

    The commentators spoke of a zeal to go after president Clinton because he was hated by republicans… But if liberals are honest with themselves, they also have a zeal against the much hated president bush. There has probably never been a conservative president who inspired so much hatred among political opponents as the current president.

    I am concerned about government becoming unaccountable and becoming too powerful… and I find many things about our current administration troubling. However, I think the program this evening would have better been served had there been a balance in commentators … those laying out a case for impeachment and those laying out a case against impeachment. I would have found the argument for impeachment much more convincing if the arguments had not been so monolithic, uniform and without any opposition.

    LET U.S. WASTE NO MORE TIME...Let U.S. - We The People ACT NOW to force our elected officials to act upon the will of a clear majority of American citizens to bring forth Articles of Impeachment against President Bush and Vice President Cheney. If we do not we have only ourselves to blame for the lowest point in the of history of our country. We are at a tipping point...either we right our ship or our ship will sink.

    Every time I watch a program about the current political situation it reminds me of the information that I have heard regarding black operations. We as American people must take action against big government which is currently undermining the core freedoms owed to every man and woman. American's must reunite as a people and understand that our country has become more economically divided and the only way the lower and middle classes will survive is by speaking up. TBC

    Bill,
    I watched your program on impreachment. It is such an important lesson on constitution. Because of your quality program, I pledge my support of PBS. Keep hope alive. Thank you!!!
    -Wen

    Thank you for making it clear that we need to limit presidential powers now so that future presidents don't go down the same path. It isn't just the year and a half left for this president it is following the Constitution. Now is the time to impeach!

    SINCE THE LAST BROADCAST OF THIS PROGRAM IN MID JULY, CONGRESS VOTED ON AN EXPANDED FISA LAW, OUR 4TH AMENDMENT IS GONE.
    CINDY SHEEHAN WAS ARRESTED IN JOHN CONYERS OFFICE FOR ASKING HIM TO KEEP HIS WORD, DO HIS DUTY AND IMEACH. JOHN CONYERS HAD SHE AND 44 OTHERS ARRESTED.SO WHAT DOES THE CONSTITUTION SAY TO DO NOW?
    I AGREE DC ON SEPT.15TH, LETS ORGANIZE AND MAKE IT HAPPEN! AMERICANS HAVE TO SHOW UP TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

    Impeachment is the only answer. I knew Amreicans wouldn't let King George get away with this. MARCH IN WASHINGTON, SEPTEMBER 15 (ITS A SATURDAY) FOR IMPEACHMENT!!!!BE THERE FOR YOUR COUNTRY!

    Bill Moyer, would you please consider running for President of the United States? You would by far be the most qualified candidate and definitely get my vote.

    Where is the Legislative branches spine? No doubt hiding beneath a bushel somewhere in Washington.
    The Bush/Cheney/Rove machine has divided the country to the point it is a wonder that any two individuals can find common ground.
    Impeachment, if it comes, will be much too late to repair the damage that has been done to our country.

    John Adams once wrote: "Is the present state of the national republic enough? Is virtue the principle of our government? Is honor? Or is ambibition the avarice, adulation, baseness, covetousness, the thirst for riches, indifference concerning the means of rising and enriching, the contempt of principle, the spirit of party and of faction the motive and principle that governs?"

    I ask the same.

    MJA

    Like Dan Rather, Impeachers will demand confession/proof and then demand impeachment for refusing to comply. When will 'ambassador Joe' get his day in court ? He made his trip to Niger for the CIA ? All information should be classified property of the CIA, NOT for his personal vendetta. ( 007 Joe outdoes James Bond, scouring all of Nigeria by himself ) Sounds like treason/sedition to me. Rather never stopped demanding proof W missed weekend dominoe games while Clinton signed an ROTC contract before skipping out of the country.

    If Bush wants Rove to write a book (or isn't telling him not to), then how can he claim Executive Privilege about the subject matter he's apparently going to publish???

    By the way, you know, I criticize Bush for his secrecy. And Bill Clinton was vastly better many ways, such as waiving Executive privilege. But particularly in this environment, Hillary should release her records as First Lady. Hillary should be against, not a part of, the ridiculous secrecy surrounding Washington. Hillary knows that sunlight, as it is often said, is the best disinfectant for rotten politics.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-clintondocs14aug14,1,1086895.story?track=rss&ctrack=1&cset=true

    HR 333, submitted by Representative and Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich along with 17 (and growing) co-sponsors, is comprised of three Article of Impeachment against Dick Cheney. It's a shame that PBS seems to be online with the intentional corrupt corporate media "disappearing" of the ONLY Presidential candidate who has the courage to stand up to the political machine, the corrupt corporations, AIPAC, and the miliatry industrial complex and speak the TRUTH and do what is right by ALL of the American people, not just the privileged few.

    The White House duo ahould have been impeached in 2004 when the N.Y,Daily times first advocated it. Pelosi's oversight is failing since 80% of congress still represents corporate America and the administration. Either the Republicans squash a good bill,or it passes and the President vetoes it. The public is between a rock and a hard place with this imperial-military gov't,only 30% of congress to represent them,and an autocrat in the W.H.. Because of this an impeachment will never happen,and the two branches of gov't will have another year+ to destroy what little democracy we have left.

    Dear Mr. Moyers,

    You blatantly neglected to discuss, let alone mention, HR 333 - a current bill before Congress introduced by Congressman and Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich to impeach Dick Cheney. Please counteract the major media's blackout of Congressman Kucinich and revisit this important legislation in one of your future programs.

    General STRIKE 9-11-07
    no work, no school
    take to the streets
    EVERYWHERE>>>>>

    I think that viewing this program should be required of every member of a Congresional Legislative Committee, maybe even of every member of Congress. Those who swear to uphold the Constitution (including the President and Vice President, should be required to understand it. Thanks Bill, for rebroadcasting this amazing program.

    Wow!
    Mr. Moyers, you have hit the bull's eye again (as you did with Barbara Ehrenreich, as well). Last Friday's encore for Mr. Fein & Mr. Nichols was as powerful as the first visit. And the postings are as hopeful as anything can be these days. I'm encouraged that there are many of us out here. Maybe we can save this nation yet.

    I am sending the attached to every member of the California delegation:


    BARBARA H. BERGEN
    Attorney-at-Law
    1834 Stoner Avenue #8
    Los Angeles, California 90025
    (310)444-9663
    email: barbara.bergen@gmail.com


    November 19, 2001

    California Congressional Delegation

    Dear Sir or Madam:

    I am writing to all California members of Congress and the Senate about the unprecedented crisis facing our nation and all of us individually who you are mandated to represent. You will find that my views are neither extreme nor partisan but are motivated by my deep love of country and desire to preserve all that I and millions of others value.

    The citizen-statesmen who founded our nation understood that the rule of law must be preeminent in light of human flaws and foibles. They refused to accept the arbitrary rulings of a monarch whose self-interest was paramount to the interests of his subjects. The Constitution that resulted from the founders’ deliberations rivals the Magna Carta as the most brilliant codification of mankind’s highest aspirations in all of history. Each carefully crafted word, phrase and sentence was designed to provide the most security and freedom possible to the most people in the newly-formed democracy. The ideas memorialized in the document were formulated with the intent that they would survive the people in each subsequent generation responsible for their implementation. Many of the framers were young farmers and merchants with little political ambition but with the commitment to establishing a nation where citizens were truly supported and encouraged in their pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.

    In these times, I fear that my children and grandchildren will never know the pride I have always felt in my country and the gratitude I have known of being born into a magnificent model of democracy. I call on you individually and collectively to turn your attention away from politics and toward upholding the constitution as you promised to do in your oath of office.

    Today, the health system is broken, the school systems are broken, the infrastructure is aging and becoming dangerous, the justice system is broken and the income gap is growing exponentially. Of utmost importance, however, is the encroachment of the Executive Branch on the constitutionally mandated powers of the Legislative Branch. The White House fails to negotiate nor consult with Congress on matters that are clearly in the purview of the legislature. Signing statements, usurpation of war powers, disregard of requirements of access to justice, endorsement of extreme interrogation methods that may amount to torture, suspension of habeas corpus for certain detainees, incarcerations without charge or timetables for hearings and release, disinformation on combat deaths and disregard of foreign policy evaluations by experts are overwhelming assaults on the vision of the founders. You in the Senate and House of Representatives are consumed with ensuring re-election and jockeying for position at the expense of your primary responsibility to uphold the Constitution.

    I urge you to put partisan politics in perspective and to take responsibility for engaging in a careful re-reading of the Constitution and, perhaps, the Federalist Papers. Make no mistake, our nation is in crisis. There is little that I can do as an individual and I therefore implore you to provide the courageous and carefully-considered representation that is your duty and responsibility. All options, including impeachment for violation of the Constitution should be under consideration. I respect your differences in positing solutions but can find no justification for your failure to recognize the profound problems we face. Politics will not resolve these grave national issues – only statesmanship can provide hope for a future that will serve us all.

    While I feel essentially powerless, I am willing to participate in any way that any of you deem useful. At the end of the day, however, the final responsibility rests with you. The United States is starved for your leadership. Please don’t disappoint us.

    Very truly yours,

    Barbara H. Bergen
    Attorney-at-Law


    I too believe in Our Constitution, However I have lost faith in the Congress and The Senate.THey are too busy worrying about being re-elected, and are not going about doing business as it should be done.
    Checks and Balances are important and the current Politicians are too busy worrying about keeping their positions rather than
    representing "We" the people...Be Bold and Brave and give partisanship a rest.The oath taken was to the constitution not Republicans, Democrats or any of the other parties.

    your voices,letters,emails and telephone calls will not change anything
    both cheney and bush are international war criminals and still they are not impeached
    you are under dictator rule congress cannot act
    or the bush regime will bring down the other boot
    which is total dictatorship
    you all dont understand you no longer have a free country
    it staggers me to read what you people are writting you think you still live in the jeffersonian era
    today america is finacially banckrupt
    its over its been since reagan took power
    only a shuffling of cards and the ppt at the fed keep things afloat along with drug money
    you have been looted by a series of wars, pork barrel spendng and theft as in the 1.3 trillion missing in the pentagon no one is fired over it its a sham
    what don't yopu understand
    China owns you outright
    the un owns all your national parks
    you owe more than you can pay and its all by design they elite thinkers have done it under your noses
    it is thier insurance that the constitution is dismantled for good
    brake the back of the economy so that if Americans should protest the NWO and choose to fight for the constitution then they would simply pull the plug to make you beg for the NWO
    and the new deal
    the AMero wipes out the debt but only when you capitulate and give up the constitution and I mean all of the constitution
    the people that refuse to go along will be rounded up and jailed its a simple and straight forward plan yet the media is playing blind mans bluff with the news
    and the American people have not had free and open news media since 1961 when jfk dies and arguably long before then
    it is over those with delusions of impeachment
    are dumber than dumber it is the same as the german people demanding hitler be impeached or the chineese demanding that mao be impeached or russians demanding lenin be impeached
    get with the program you have been soundly out done
    when bob Dylan wrote the times they are a changing everyone clapped but no one did a damn thing to help their country
    today everyone is yelling impeach but the times they have really changed its too late
    your words go on deaf ears no matter who you send into congress or the senate
    the Decider now tells you what will be
    if that should be toxic foods from china then you will eat it or starve as simple as that
    can you all not hear the black water goon's boots hitting the pavement in your neighborhoods well you soon will not long after your military is burntout in the desert

    the time for talk is over if you want to think in jeffersonian dreams do what they did you criminals in those days
    take them down to the oak tree and the rest I leave to you

    during the lead up to the war in Iraq Americans cheered for president Bush
    The Press was like a rabid dog urging war
    all of the media outlet's
    news personel were like zombies Pro war
    what have you become in America ? animals with rabies !
    your Govt has looted your economy
    your govt has and is killing your children both with war and drugs
    your govt is your nemesis your news media its mouth piece with only lies and propaganda
    what has become of the proud Americans
    ask any of them on the street they are so iliterate that they believe America is suppose to be a democracy they dont even know it is suppose to be a constitutional republic
    now you will face your worst nightmare your own govt and the elites will turn on you
    your freedom will be gone forever
    and if you should buck the NWO they will see to it that your dollar is worth only 10 cents (indeed it is well underway )and then you will fall to your knees and beg for the NWO
    your forefathers spit on all of you from their graves their most cherished gift to all of you has been given up without a wimper
    the worst attack on American soil was never even investigated in your press any version other than the official one is shuned and labeled anti AMerican you are like the zionists now if someone quetions the AMerican myths they are labeled anti American
    what is left of America
    the war in IRAQ is lost
    NYC was turned into a toxic dust bowl
    and all eyes are on anybody but your true nemesis yourselves
    is this what America has become is this what you all have become
    liars who would rather look the other way than face the reality of what is happening around you
    the true weapons of mass destruction Saddam had was his oil and his switch to the petrol dollar
    in the end America has forgotten the most important lesson of it's
    existance of how it became a nation
    America did not defeat the British in the war of independence the british were the most powerfull empire of the day and was long after America broke away
    Britain's mistake was that it had become
    drunk with power and arrogance which led to it being over stretched in the world and it could not fight so many wars and supply the troops half way around the world
    today America is drunk with power and full of arrogance it to has not learned the lessons of it's past while the wise sages of the islamic world prod you to over extend yourselves will you do just that
    today the American dream has truely turned into the American nightmare
    and that nightmare is an on going crecendo which will culminate to the point where every American will gnash their teeth and knock their knees
    The NWO is here today and will continue to rape you have let it take hold since JFK died you have sown your own end your forefathers now disown you
    the price you pay for your failure to take back your country 1961 in which the Media played a major role
    is your freedom and all that it entails you are your own nemesis
    may god have mercy on you all

    To sit and watch this program and see the bi-partisan passion of Nichols and Fein--so convincing as to why Impeachment needs to happen but yet knowing full well that it never will leaves a very hollow feeling in the pit of my stomach!

    Mr. Moyers, thank you for this episode on impeachment. I'd never before considered that, as your guest said, "impeachment isn't a constitutional crisis; impeachment is the solution to a constitutional crisis." Thanks for making me think.

    It is truly shocking that you failed to mention HR 333, the bill congressman Kucinich has introduced to impeach Dick Cheney.

    For those wondering what they can do to move impeachment forward, start with writing your local congressional representatives and asking them to sign on to HR 333. Your representatives need to know that there is support for this bill among their constituents.

    Dennis Kucinich introduced HR. 333 to impeach Dick Cheney. Why don't you mention this on your program?

    Kucinich in 08!!!

    Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Gonzalez should have been impeached long ago. Shame on both houses of Congress

    Thank you for the repeat and original program w/Fein & Nichols. To listen to men supposedly opposite thinkers and hear their agreement is exciting. I learned much re: the Federalist Papers and the Constitution.
    This administration is Criminal and Contemptible..all of them MUST be CHARGED and
    Jailed if possible.

    Appreciation for The Rule of Law needs to exceed 12 inches, a litre, or several meters; it needs to fill infinity to the brim and overflowing. It is the glue of civilization. Without it, and the order that it imposes, we are a lost world in the vastness of dark matter. Black Holes belong in the cosmos; not within our government. Cheney and Bush need to resign, or be impeached by the people that they have so cowardly attempted to betray calling their actions, leadership.

    I have emailed Nancy Pelosi and what else can I do? What else can any single voter do except write outraged emails to members of Congress (their own reps et al) and wait for a "power that be" to act. Where does the power of the outraged American people reside these days?

    Thank you for provoking thought and exercising free speech. Well done. The well deserved criticism re: the DK bill in Congress that you all failed to mention requires a response from such thinkers as you.

    I watched your presentation on the case for the Impeachment of the President for the second time. I agree with your guests that this is a serious Constitutional crisis. I also know that this President will not be impeached. The country may be inclined to such an action, but it remains paralyzed by division. Most people I know are looking to the next election for a correction of the excesses and violations of this Administration. As a nation, we are in the position of those in Orwell's nightmare vision of the future, a future that is the now of an ill-informed, manipulated and fearful herd of consumers. We have abandoned the position of 'citizens.' This country is now in decline and no one can predict with any certainty how fast it will slde into chaos and tyranny.

    Thought provoking show but there were a couple of points missing. As others have mentioned Dennis Kucinich has a pending bill. But the least clear statement was the contention that a "true statesman" needs to come forward to put the Constitution first and politics second to start impeachment procedings. The example given of such an indvidual was Barry Goldwater. But the commentators never specified that this seminal moment was a Republican statesman confronting a rogue Republican President. Nancy Pelosi is absolutely correct that if she or the Judiciary Committee starts impeachment procedures without that kind of Republican ( and I very much emphasize Republican) statesmanship than it will be a political move and not a Constitutional one. As she has said, it will be decried as partisan and divide the country. The two commentators needed to specify that it is necessary for this statesmanship to come from the minority party in Congress--the President's own party or no Constitutional correction will occur.

    Thank you Bill. The show was refreshing and educational. It is time we as Americans retrieve our civil rights. There is no excuse for endangering out constitution, our rights, and liberties. Not to mention the respect of the world. We need to respect the rights of citizens and our country first and if our leaders cannot then they should be removed.

    I can add little to the positive comments already posted in regard to Bill's conversation with Nichols and Fein except to include my own praise. Like others, I have felt rather politically isolated for the past six and a half years, especially as a resident in Texas. What disturbs me as much as the failure of Democratic leaders to use the levers of power to correct the abuses of the Bush administration is the number of citizens who continue to defend it or who fail to realize the seriousness of its excesses.

    I have written letters as well on impeaching Cheney first then Bush...it seems many democrats have gotten quiet...or changed there goals... Rangel, Reid, Pelosi.....do you ever think maybe they or their families have been threatened with violence or whatever?

    I appreciate the feeling of empowerment I got from the 2 guests; they well summed up what I have been feeling all along about this administration. The balance of power is greatly in peril. I need to press my representatives to act.
    Congress has been complicit. For example, we all speak of the war. Does anyone recall our congress declaring war? No, instead they abdicated this responsibility by handing the president a blank military check.
    Read the quotes of James Madison. You'll get a chill down your spine.

    How is it that you failed to mention Dennis Kucinich and his bill for impeachment?

    As others here have pointed out, this is unforgivable. Appalling journalism!

    I think it is an oversight not to have mentioned Dennis Kucinich's HR333 to commence impeachment proceedings on Bush and Cheney.

    This discussion of impeachment is long overdue, but very informative. I'm also wondering why Kucinich was not given any credit here. I refer to this comment by JOHN NICHOLS: --there may be such people but their first step, their first step must be something that is very hard in these days of extreme partisanship and these days in money and politics and a media that doesn't cover politics very well. Their first step has to be to say, "I cherish my country more than my party and more than the next election." And so-- probably. We're talking about a Democrat."
    We're talking about Dennis Kucinich, and I think that you three gentlemen having this discussion should be giving him your support, rather than ignoring him!

    Excellent job on pushing the case for impeachment but no mention of H.R.333! Why are you afraid to mention that Presidential Candidate Rep. Dennis Kucinich is already working actively to dispense with the constitutional menace posed by Dick Cheney? Kucinich at this point may well be the last guardian of the Constitution. Even Ron Paul won't take Bush and Cheney on. Where is the backbone in our government AND the media? Come on Bill! If your story isn't more smoke and Bull S. get out there and let the people know Dennis Kucinich is fighting OUR Fight! Working to right the wrongs done to our country and depose these war criminals.

    Shame on you Bill Moyers for your one sided viewpoint on impeachment and for ignoring Dennis Kucinich. I wonder Who is paying you?A VERY disappointing pro-Bush programme.

    Too many words here to get the average citizen to take action. 1st, we need a bulleted list of crimes (bullet-proof items, extremely well-researched, just the facts, NO hyperbole,no excess verbage). 2nd, buy a page in every major paper to present it. 3rd, make flyers of the list for people to print and pass out & hang on every bulletin board. 4th, call your local or national radio talk shows to note items on the list & explain where people can get it. 5th, organize a day for impeachment demonstrations across the country. Objective: every citizen should be able to cite at least 10 impeachable offenses of this administration. We have short term memories and are so stunned by the latest offense that we've forgotten the specifics of the crimes that came before. We need help to shake us out of our state of shock. Such a list would demonstrate the preponderance of evidence.
    We can't just keep complaining--we need concerted action to reach everyone.

    I support impeaching Bush, Cheney, and Gonzales. Mr. Kucinech really should have been brought into this conversation although it was a great broadcast. I really respect Mr. Fein.

    George W. Bush: The Man in Retrospect

    1), George W. Bush's lost year(AWOL) in 1972 reveals a cocky privileged son who used his family connections to avoid military service in Vietnam and spend seven months in Alabama partying. He clearly skipped out on National Guard duty and avoided a mandatory drug test, all while learning the politics of "dirty tricks," and deception.

    2). Bush was arrested in 1972 for cocaine possession, and taken to Harris County Jail, but avoided jail or formal charges through an informal diversion plan involving community service with Project P.U.L.L., an inner city Houston program for troubled youths at the Martin Luther King Jr. Community Center in Houston's dirt-poor Third Ward. Community service was arranged by the Governor's father, ex-president Bush, after he caught Bush Jr. driving drunk.

    3). It is not clear that George W fully understood the grand strategy that Wolfowitz and other aides were unfolding. The neo-cons took advantage of Bush's ignorance and inexperience. Unlike his father, a Second World War veteran who had been ambassador to China, director of the CIA and vice-president, George W was a thinly educated playboy who had failed repeatedly in business before becoming the governor of Texas, a largely ceremonial position (the state's lieutenant governor had more power).

    4). Supported the actions of the Florida state government—headed by his brother, Governor Jeb Bush—to disallow the results of hand counts and discard the votes of thousands of Floridians, George W. Bush piled one falsehood upon another. As with all practitioners of the “big lie” technique, his aim was to convince not by the plausibility of his arguments, but rather by the sheer brazenness and repetition of his claims.

    5). Considering each of the dozens of individual deceptions, lies and misleading statements that Bush and his aides used to push the US into war in Iraq, let's not lose track of the big picture. The Bush administration justified war, immediate war, because alleged weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Those weapons do not exist. They have not existed for years. The Bush administration knew this, because a top Iraqi defector told us this years ago, but they kept that information secret. And weapons of mass destruction were not the reason the Bush administration wanted to invade Iraq. Top officials have even admitted this, saying flat out that they had other reasons but chose WMD because it was the most effective argument politically.

    6). Gonzales signs off on a political purge without so much as a second thought because he knew that's what the White House wanted. Gonzales did not question the merits of Rove's list, or look at the performance evaluations, or even give courtesy calls to the targeted attorneys. Gonzales fired them in a pretty brutal manner, but what would you expect from a guy who argued in favor of torturing people?.

    7). Bush's decision to commute Libby's sentence. This Administration simply considers itself above the law, This case arose from the Administration's politicization of national security intelligence and its efforts to punish those who spoke out against its policies.

    8). The war in Iraq has entered its fifth year and over 3,684 American soldiers are dead and over 27,186 have been wounded. Well over 100,000 Iraqi citizens are dead, mostly innocent civilians, and over 4 million have been displaced from their homes. Our government has already spent half a trillion dollars and the final cost is projected to top one trillion dollars before it's all over. A vast majority of the American people are now against the war, as are most of the U.S. military leadership and members of the U.S. Congress. So why are we still there? Answer: Because the Bush administration won't get us out,


    This disgrace of a President not only should be Impeached but Tarred/Feathered and left on the White House lawn as a reminder to future candidates.

    J.L. Hart


    AHRC

    An Article
    GEORGIA JUDGES VIOLATE STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS TO DENY JUSTICE

    When will the Department of Justice step in and defend the public's rights to DUE PROCESS?

    August 01, 2007

    By Bahji Adams
    Copyright Bahji Adams 2007
    Cobb County, Georgia -

    On Friday the 13th of July, 2007, Judge KREEGER, of Cobb County Courts in Georgia, held another hearing in direct opposition to Federal (ADA) American with Disability Title II of the 504 Act of 1990, and State mandates such as the "rule of law', case precedent in regards to the "accused" must have "17 days" before the show cause hearing in contempt proceedings.

    to read full article go to:
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    Aug 11 2007 11:46P

    Robert M. LaFollette, Sr. -American Political & Reform Leader -1925:

    "let no man think that we can deny civil liberty to others and retain it for ourselves...When zealous agents of the Government arrest suspected 'radicals' without warrant, hold them without prompt trial, deny them access to counsel and admission of bail..we have shorn the Bill of Rights of its sancity as a shield to every American citizen."

    "Crime is contagious. If the government becomes the lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for the law."

    ---Louis D. Brandeis - U.S. Supreme Court Justice 1856-1941

    The Journal with Fein Nichols and Moyers was awesome. Some one who is good at their job is a beautiful thing to watch. I guess it took Moyers to come out of retirement and back on the air to start this conversation AGAIN (Kucinich and HR333). Bruce Fein is right about everything he said but mostly he’s right about the fact that their is no one in congress that seems to know how to impeach or what impeachment is for. To quote the panel "Impeachment is not the constitution in crisis but the cure for the constitution in crisis" The only way we can sell democracy to the rest of the world is not at the point of a gun but to show them that there are provisions in our system of government to deal rogue officials who make it through the election process but don’t hold the Constitution or the rule of law in high esteem. Impeachment also shows that we believe it when we say that all men are created equal and that no one is above the law. Without that we only show the rest of the world that we are a land of confusion and why would anyone want that?

    James O Burns Jr.


    This whole idea of impeachment isn't new...Kucinich started it Months ago. I'm offended that mr Moyers left any mention of Dennis Kucinich out. Maybe he is afraid of endorsing him directly, I don't blame him, but he's sorta pathetic to not stand up for himself

    Impeachment should proceed to ensure the balance of power is restored. Congress must impeach Bush and Cheney to eliminate the secracy that holds us hostage to their power.

    Regarding impeachment—Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi don’t want to pursue impeachment due to the distraction from many pressing issues which have been brought on largely by this administration. I see their point. However, apparently half of the population and I believe this administration needs to be removed. Like most things in life, to move forward mistakes of the past have to be corrected, afflictions cured, infections lanced. Remove this festering boil.

    How can you talk about H Res 333 and not talk about Dennis Kucinich?

    Why no mention of Kucinich and HR333? We're already going for impeachment, why can't we let it be known that the congress can already start the process?

    I am tired of the corporate media ignoring actions already taken. HR333 a resolution to begin impeachment against Cheney was submitted by Rep Kucinich of Ohio months ago. You don't even mention this in you program. I truly believe the media has been corrupted by its corporate owners and refuses to pass the new on to the people.

    YOU are a waste of time if you can't provide accurate coverage of a topic. SELLOUTS.

    We must be mindful we are dealing with a system. Look for the workings of the unseen hand. To a certain extent we must essentially close our eyes in order to clearly see the truth. It has been clear, our own eyes cannot be trusted. Who could tell four or five years ago what we heard and saw was a deception?

    We question if the ball is red, or is it blue. Maybe my friends, there is no ball at all. Maybe the image of the ball was created in order to give teeth to a more outlandish and grand plan, one that is still in the making, even as we deliberate the virtues of our society.

    Impeachment is only the begining. Each man, woman and child must be reminded and taught the values of our society. They must understand that each citizen is responsible for the paths of this country. They must be reminded this system is a system of rule by the citizen of this country, and as such it is their responsibility to be informed and to participate in the government. It is a right and a duty,..to mantain and keep the light of democracy burning.

    For too long we've taken for granted, it is someone elses problem. For too long we have sit on the sidelines seeing what we can glean without any risk, price, or harm to ourselves. Safety has become such a big marketing ploy, it has essentially become one of the largest noose around our necks dragging us into the life of slavery. Certainly our founding fathers did not deliberate the efficacy of the consitution based on how safe it will be. We need to wake up.

    We hear of the word "Freedom" How ironic it is we are engaged into the greatest conflict of the age. Fighting a nation to bring them freedom. The last time I checked - Freedom : "was the right to self determination". Are we saying we have a monopoly on this right as Americans?

    I would like the right to my self determination, I would like the right to unbiased news, I would like the right to vote for the leaders of my choice. I would like the right not to be manipulated weather through covet or overt means. If I would like this for myself then so would I for those around,..Including people in Iraq.

    So the question is back again to impeachment. This is a tool provided for in our constitution, for the very situation we see evolving in our beloved country. We need to be brave, we need to be wise in our actions. May God help us in these times.

    An entire show on impeachment and not one mention of Kucinich's bill on Cheney impeachment?

    Your show seems as biased as any media outlet which tries to sideline everyone who is not in the mainstream.

    Why the complete blackout on who wrote and sponsors this legislation for impeachment of Cheney and Bush? Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich wrote HR333, the legislation for impeachment and your program never mentions it. He speaks for the people!

    To the Editor,

    I am not naive to believe, “our country is safe”! The Congress and the Senate “abrogated their constitutional obligation”- “the absolute power...”.
    They transfered the “authority to the president to declare war ” based on a policy
    that is “fundamentally flawed”. The leaders “breached their duty, trust, obligation and responsibility”. Over 3668 killed, over 27000 wounded at a cost of over $500 billions dollars. “Abrogating constitutional duties, obligation” - justifies impeachment and clean both houses!
    “The biggest ECONOMIC PERIL.. is being ignored” by the Congress and Senate! “The most serious threat to the USA is not someone hiding in a cave in Afghanistan or Pakistan but our own fiscal irresponsibility"! The ECONOMIC PERIL - “a tsunami of spending that could swamp our ship of state”.
    $500 billions for the war but no funds for health care insurance for all Americans!
    $500 million dollars - grants for “the bridge to nowhere”, but no funds for prescription drugs, $700,000,000 million dollars for one district in California,
    but no funds to lift the standard of living for all Americans.
    “$50,000,000 for indoor rain forest in Iowa”. Our troops used “plywood,
    sand begs for protection“ while $2 billions dollars was spent for aircraft - none of the military branches requested”! $13 millions for Katrina diverted for a museum, $22 million “lost at the disease control center”, $34 billion to save credit institutions etc.
    “The Water and Energy HB 2419 of 600 pages, it passes at 2:27 am, no one bother
    to read it”.
    It is a well settled principal of law,“Climbing over second floor balcony at 2:27 am ... leading to a bedroom and fled upon arousing the occupants, is guilty of attempting to
    commit burglary. The evidence of... overt act”.
    Bring our troops home now – to day. The inflammatory statements, “unilateral military strikes in Pakistan, bombing the holiest Islamic sites of Mecca and Medina, nuke Damascus and Tehran” is enough to set the world on fire.
    Rampant corruption, lies, irresponsibility, breached of duties, obligation and plunge
    our country into a war, debt and Constitutional crises!

    Chris

    I watched a good half of that Bill Moyers panel on impeachment and was pleased to see that Bruce Fein happens to be touted as a CONSERVATIVE constitutional scholar. He certainly minced no words about why he thought that GW should be impeached. Well, Bill Moyers, the GOP looked for every possible rationale as to why Clinton ought to get nailed, even to using his sexual proclivities to try to drive him out of office. But when we are looking at a serious refusal by a president to recognize or respect constitutional law, treaties and so on, we have a serious and federal case to make for removing this man from office. GW, Moyers, has a long track record, even before his days as a politician, of being highly unethical in his conduct. Which may well be why he is forever trying to conceal from the public real knowledge of his actions.

    Where that was known, the public did have an opportunity and an obligation to remove him from office in 2004. Because that did not happen, Congress now has an obligation to remove him from office beginning now.

    In response to another poster, it is my understanding that Al Qaeda did have everything to do with 9/11/2001. It is also my understanding that GW wanted to ship out anyone who had immediate info on Osama bin Laden and also protected Saudi interests over that of the American people. Normally, that conduct would be treason. To date, the GOP aren't principled enough to recognize treason from a president (as long as he is Republican) when they see it. What I find amusing re the Iraq war, GW shakes his fist and whines at Iran for shipping in the weapons that kill our U.S. Armed Forces and Iraqis but insists on propping up with our military the Iraqi government that insists on making nice to Iran that ships in weapons that kill Iraqis and the U.S. Military. As far as I am concerned, Al Maliki insisting on publicly looking for closer ties to a country accused of killing his fellow citizens, would be reason enough to pull all U.S. personnel out of Iraq.

    Thank you for airing the Impeachment program again. My PBS station or the cable provider always seems to have technical difficulties when a program like yours is being shown.
    Anyway the truth is -
    1. Bush and Cheney anr responsible for 911 happening. They were told AlQueda was going to use planes to attack us but did nothing at all to stop them.
    2. Bush and Cheney were told by many sources Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction but using the fear factor he convinced most of the American population he did.
    3. In a time of war Bush and Cheney gave the richest people in this country a huge tax cut not only putting the burden of paying for this Iraq war on the poor but also on the lives of the poor who can't find jobs other than joining the military.
    4. Bush and Cheney have conspired to undermine the constitution of this country in the name of homeland security and our congress is letting them get away with it.
    5. Bush and Cheney can't do anything unless it's about going to war or giving more tax payer money to the rich companies like the oil and drug companies.

    When Bush first took office in 2000 there was a show on Comedy Central called "That's My Bush" and it made him look like the idiot he really is but after 911 it was against the peoples right to know the truth so the program was pulled never to be seen again. Bill Mohr lost his job because he was the only person with enough balls to tell it like it was.
    Just because we are at war does not give the president or anyone else for that matter the right to do or not do what Bush and Cheney have done to America and the whole wide world.
    Bush and Cheney should be impeached for so many reasons it's hard for me to list them all. After impeachment Bush, Cheney, Rice, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove, and Powell should all be charged with crimes against humanity for this war in Iraq. They are not only responsible for the deaths of thousands of our troops and the crippling of tens of thousands more they are responsible for the same against Iraqi citizens only ten times over. They have mismanaged this war in the most incompetent way imaginable. A fifth grader could have done better.

    Bush and Cheney are fools and we are even bigger fools for not impeaching them.

    I am glad that Impeachment is on the table for more people but am disappointed that there was no mention of Dennis Kucinich and his efforts to Impeach Cheney.

    It’s refreshing to see this is happening. Now I can contact Patrick J Fitzgerald and tell him that Jeff Fisher is ready to lower the big boom on Richard B Cheney. The American Turkish Council and its direct relationship with BayPoint School.

    Mr. Cheney, meet the man who will defend the absolute truth.

    I am going to have you placed in Shackles for so many crimes.

    I was very upset the other day when Judge Roberts got ill. I gave to his Chief of Staff key information about you and the ATC and its connection to BayPoint School. Did you try to poison the Chief Justice?

    When George went into surgery I prayed with many people in DuPont Circle that he would be OK. You are more evil than George could ever be and George is quite evil. Do me a favor. Tell Chertoff his days are finished along with Alberto Gonzalez and Karl Rove

    I am so glad that James Earl Carter and Gerald Ford gave me the added courage along with my true belief in Jesus Christ to never forget about the 35 dead black teenagers I saw photos of on July 27th, 2004 along with so much other evidence.

    Good night Richard.
    The days of your dictatorship are about to end.

    Try the link to my name also. The absolute truth
    will be told.


    Now for Brad Friedman.

    Former NYPD member obtains deleted BradBlog info on Jeff Fisher
    Submitted by John Carter (not verified) on Sat, 2006-02-04 22:24.
    Jeff Fisher heard Medea Benjamin in Binghamton, New York during
    the St. Patrick Four Trial. They did not meet because he was working
    with Tarik. Ms. Benjamin will understand that it was important that
    Mr. Fisher not risk his exposure to the media then for it could have been
    disastrous for the Burn's family.

    Unfortunately his photo was taken and was published in the paper and
    somebody in law enforcement recognized him. Mr. Fisher got a warning
    from an individual that he was going to be questioned for his anti-war
    activities and within ten minutes he was on the road to Ithaca, New York
    to catch a bus to San Diego with three dollars in his pocket after buying
    his ticket. The trip took five days. He left with the clothes on his back
    and just three weeks of medicine.

    Now for the information that is in the header.

    Blogged by Brad on 1/8/2006 @ 1:33pm PT...
    Election Reform Sunday Double-Header
    Mark Crispin Miller & Brad, Back-to-Back on Air America Pheonix...
    Mark Crispin Miller and I -- he of Fooled Again: How the Right Stole the
    2004 Election & Why They'll Steal the Next One Too (Unless We Stop Them)

    "Election Reform Sunday Double-Header"
    (25 comments so far...)

    For Comparison,this is what it was and if you click on the link, it is what it is now.
    Rovian in nature, Bush in style. USA Patriot Act in restricting Free Speech.

    http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002251.htm

    This information was being classified as disinformation. Maria
    said it is not. She is a former New York Police Officer.

    Any statements that are in brackets are Maria and my opinion

    COMMENT #1 [link]
    ...Ricky said on 1/8/2006 @ 1:54pm PT...
    {ed note: Comment deleted. Pure misinformation. Knock it off, Ricky.}

    COMMENT #2 [link]
    ...Ghostwriter said on 1/8/2006 @ 1:55pm PT.

    :) Hi, I met Jeff Fisher today in San Francisco in an emergency room. He
    has the flu and he seemed to be very feverish. I have been following this
    story for a long time.

    There is information on a web-site in the Bay Area that might interest
    you. Go to Tribe.net and then tribes and search for Jeff Fisher.

    I got an email with the link but I am not at home right now.

    I am a member of the Green Party. I like this guy and I think you should
    be following the story with more interest. I have found a lot of new
    information in yahoo groups.

    Thanks,
    Mary Jane

    Go California Bears
    UC Berkley

    {This has been verified that he was in
    San Francisco that day, he was also seen at St. Francis Hospital that day.
    Maria has been unable to get anymore information from them.}

    COMMENT #3 [link]
    ...barryg said on 1/8/2006 @ 2:41pm PT...

    Ricky the only thing I see dieing is the support for the GOP and the
    goon squads hanging around the whitehouse. It was bad enough when
    Governors did not want the president to campaign for them now
    they will not even want thim in their state.

    COMMENT #4 [link]
    ...Brad said on 1/8/2006 @ 2:57pm PT...

    Mary Jane - Jeff Fisher's story seems to be little more than
    disinformation spread by folk related to the LaRouche folks. I'd
    recommend avoiding that story, like the plague personally. I don't think
    Jeff has purposely spread disinfo, but is likely the victim thereof. You
    can do a search for "Jeff Fisher" here on BRAD BLOG to read some of my
    early reporting on his story when it first emerged just after the Nov 4,
    2005 election.

    COMMENT #5 [link]
    ...Shannon Williford said on 1/8/2006 @ 3:06pm PT...

    I've read Miller's book (got an autographed copy for xmas...), and it is
    strong. Y'all all need to read it.

    COMMENT #6 [link]
    ...Tom Lowenstein said on 1/8/2006 @ 3:22pm PT.

    Its not disinformation.

    Go to
    http://tribes.tribe.net/democraticsocialists/thread/9943ad68-1d81-4b7b-bf4d-deeafbf66e0f#c09723b5-fcc3-48ae-8930-a231cdb3cb1d

    The information makes sense and explains a lot. I bet he knows more
    than this. The FBI must have scared him. Read the article. I would have
    been scared. I got an email from some guy in Hayward about him. He
    has become some kind of champion for civil rights in the black community.

    COMMENT #7 [link]
    ...Doug Eldritch said on 1/8/2006 @ 4:25pm PT...

    Tom:

    The Jeff Fisher story is disinformation.

    I know its got interesting tidbits, but it is interlaced with so much fake
    information involving child rapists its not funny.

    I know that Mel Sembler really is connected to the mafia and involved
    in some shady things, but come on the FBI stalked Jeff Fisher
    everywhere and threatened him!??

    The FBI doesn't do that. If that ever really happened, and some
    reporter can prove it than those people who harassed him weren't FBI.
    And they were probably harassing him not just because they were
    whackjob type people, but because Jeff sounded crazy.

    The schools out there who hacked "elections" are possible but there
    has never been any proof that it happened. And oh I forgot, the real
    money-trail for election fraud has since been found and in Ohio it was
    connected to Thomas Noe. And most likely the real money trail is tied to
    Greenberg Traurig, a lawfirm that is hooked into the mob and wouldn't
    waste time hiring school students as hackers.

    Doug

    {What is interesting here is that Doug E. changes his tone about
    Jeff Fisher by sending him an email telling him he believes him.
    Maria was able to at able to attain this information from an
    intercepted email from Doug to Jeff,

    Its nice to have friends who work in Mclean, Virginia.
    Yes, the Central Intelligence Agency.}

    COMMENT #8 [link]
    ...Doug Eldritch said on 1/8/2006 @ 4:30pm PT...

    PS:

    For anyone who wants to read that story its right here.

    Jeff Fisher story

    If you're curious at all its something to look into, and if you know
    clint curtis personally you can probably find out if he really sent any
    emails. Curtis's emails would prove right away how much of it was
    real or not.

    Doug E

    COMMENT #9 [link]
    ...Ghostwriter said on 1/8/2006 @ 4:54pm PT.

    It must be something to stop the truth from coming out. The GOP is
    crazy enough to do things under our noses. Why would a man give up his
    own liberties for no money, because he knew the truth and that it must
    prevail. I got an email from a Curtis Garner from Hayward that says it all.
    I hope that Doug E. finds God and realizes that his actions are truly
    unpatriotic and undemocratic.

    Mary Jane

    COMMENT #10 [link]
    ...Doug Eldritch said on 1/8/2006 @ 5:04pm PT.

    Ghost Writer

    Hope *I* find god?!??? No offense but you sound like a typical
    NEOCON.
    You seem to think the whole world revolves around you.

    Newsflash: The Jeff Fisher story was most likely *PLANTED* to
    prevent people from knowing the truth and nobody wants to
    investigate it for that reason!

    By the way the FBI, Federal Office I have talked to them before
    and they have never been involved in any "Florida" fraud
    investigation. They took tips from someone and that is it, I even
    know someone who works in Florida. The FBI is who nailed
    Tom Noe and sent him to jail for money laundering, money
    laundered into Ohio campaign coffers all over the place. Why
    would the FBI randomly harass citizens who claimed to have
    evidence of crimes? Unless they were just impersonators like the Ohio
    Homeland security lockdown in Warren County, Level 10 terror alert.

    Doug E.

    {Again Doug's professional remarks are proven wrong when Maria
    had her friends in Virginia contact the FBI and verify that
    Jeff Fisher and Al Rogers did meet with them in November of 2004.}

    COMMENT #11 [link]
    ...bvac said on 1/8/2006 @ 6:39pm PT...

    Ok, this is the same Jeff Fisher that appeared at Conyer's election
    irregularities hearing and had to be shouted down by the
    congressmen? He sounded downright paranoid at the time. Has he
    ever offered ANY information beyond the type of ranting he's
    become known for? His web-site has been scrubbed and the archive
    cache doesn't show anything. A quick search doesn't show any
    connections to larouche, but there were several others in attendance
    representing him. Asa Gordon offered a strategy for turning over
    the election in Ohio based on the number of people disenfranchised
    which caught Conyers' ear. It's fascinating to see the different election
    reform movements at work and tapestry of disinformation that
    threatens them. Utterly fascinating.

    COMMENT #12 [link]
    ...Robert Lockwood Mills said on 1/9/2006 @ 5:54am PT...

    On Nov. 7, 2004, the day before the Conyers hearings in D.C.,
    Common Cause held a hearing at which Steny Hoyer, Bob Ney, Prof.
    David Dill,Nevada Secretary of State Dean Heller, and others
    were present. I went to it.

    As I was leaving to catch my train home from Union Station, I ran
    into Jeff Fisher in the lobby outside the hearing room. He flattered me
    by asking, "Are you THE Robert Lockwood Mills?" I said, "I don't
    think so, but I didn't realize there was another one." He then told me
    about how he had provided John Conyers with iron-clad proof of
    fraud in Florida, which turned out to be the business about the kida
    at the military-style school being trained to rig election machines.
    He said that even his wife didn't believe him, but he was desperate
    to tell his story and had traveled from Florida at his own expense
    to do so. Since I was a writer, how did he know that, since we'd
    never met before?, could I help him? Very odd.

    {Mr. Fishers plane ticket was paid for by a friend from North Carolina.
    Mr. Fisher told me about this man and how he would pay him back for
    his good deed}.

    He had been running for Congress from South Florida, so I didn't
    Dismiss him out of hand as a kook. Plus, I had just returned
    from Florida where I had seen actual vote flipping. We exchanged
    e-mail addresses and phone numbers.

    Nothing has developed in the last 14 months, so I'm skeptical that
    Jeff Fisher actually gave John Conyers anything concrete about the
    election. Don't know where Jeff is at this point. The idea that he was
    an unwitting pawn in a disinformation plot makes sense to me, though.
    Great Rovian-style trick; if you're cheating, create a situation where
    someone accuses you of cheating according to an implausible scenario,
    then debunk the scenario and ascribe the whole thing to
    "conspiracy theorists."

    COMMENT #13 [link]
    ...Tom Lowenstein said on 1/9/2006 @ 1:50pm PT.

    I can't believe the misinformation that the Neocons are doing regarding
    Jeff Fisher. Contact Al Rogers in Florida. He went with him to the FBI
    the first time. Jeff revealed some information but not all because Al's
    life was in danger also. Jeff Fisher wanted no harm to anyone. As for
    Doug E., I can only assume that he is really the bad guy who wants to
    hide the truth about the 2004 election. I got more information on Jeff
    Fisher in yahoo web groups. I am glad that people can still tell us the
    truth there. I am going to post information I received from Curtis Garner
    on Jeff Fisher. Ok, lets see them debunk what they are telling us. I really
    hope that Brad starts realizing that Mr. Fisher knew so much that it must
    have been overwhelming.

    What follows are emails that Tom Lowenstein posted

    Received this today:
    royromes@yahoo.com

    {This story has been verified that it did take place}

    I met Mr. Fisher last week in Oakland. He was stopping
    another brother from beating up another brother. He actually kicked
    a gun out of the brothers hand. He did not run away like most white
    folk do. He stayed and helped the brother. Never in my life had I ever
    met live a white person in the hood who was blacker inside than me.
    I now have and am proud to know this man.

    I play on the net and want this information about this dude spread
    around California and our country, (this guy is like MLK). I also want
    some information on a Tracey Dorsey from West Palm Beach, Florida.
    The information on last years election is true and Mr. Fisher can take
    down the boys in D.C.

    My mama thinks he will probably get killed like MLK and Malcolm X so
    lets spread the message fast to save our ass and maybe his. I want
    this kind of man to support and work for my brothers and sisters.

    Lets make it happen. Lets pray and protect this man and what he
    did for us.

    He has seen the Promised Land and this time we the people deserve to
    see it and feel it too.

    Roy Romes
    Oakland

    Another posting in Yahoo web groups

    {Another true event that the NEOCONS do not want the black and white
    communities to know about. They will go to any length to discredit
    any fine Liberal American who does good deeds for humane purposes}

    Its time to talk about getting a brother in the White House.I play
    around on the net and search for cool topics on BBS's and the word
    is that Al Sharpton has been meeting with Patrick Kennedy to consider
    a 2008 run for the White House. This ticket would reveal racism and
    poverty in our country that would get media attention like Katrina did.

    Now that is Shock and Awe!!!

    To get this to happen people on the net,(moderators)and in D.C. all of
    you must stop hiding the truth about the greed and ignorance in our
    own party.(Democratic) The Green Party has it together. Take notice
    to this.

    "Fool me once, shame on you" Fool me twice, shame On me".

    Tell Kerry to drop out now. He did nothing right in 2004.
    He sold us out.
    Did he vote for the war?
    Did he vote for the Patriot Act?
    Did he call for a recount in Ohio?
    Did he listen to informants who had evidence?
    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am a Democrat.

    What opened my eyes to the truth only happened in the past month, so
    maybe you have the same excuse. After you read my email, I hope you
    didn't live the same life as I did. If you did,then get your act together.

    I met a Democrat in December that I think is an angel in the making. I
    told my mama about this man and what he has done for me alone has her
    going to church everyday thanking God for letting this man be exiled to
    the Bay Area. My mama is right and our pastor has begun a crusade for
    this man to get his message of saving the black community at any cost.

    In the subject line is three names listed, these men will Give America a
    real chance because they are different from the mainstream clergyman,
    politician and activist. I now want to tell you about myself.

    I'm 25 yrs old, have an MBA, Democrat, and Black and live in Hayward,
    California. I also got hooked on cocaine and martinis in college
    Seven years ago. I went to a very prestigious school in New England.
    Five years later I was out of school and thinking I could take the world
    by the(B&lls). Look out Wall Street, I was going to make a bundle
    and live the good life. The market was tanking and I was still getting tanked.

    College taught me some things that should not be allowed. I failed in
    New York City, I went to Chicago and did worse than the White Sox's
    and off to L. A. Well that is no place to make it when you have a drug
    problem. Everybody uses drugs there. My parents rescued me but I
    failed them too, They brought me back to San Francisco but I went to
    UC Berkley to party and protest the Bush Administration for all my problems.

    I was a mess and all the rich white and oriental kids didn't care about
    what was happening in Oakland. They only cared about making money
    but putting on a front by looking like hippies. It is pure Bull. Blacks
    know Bull-Sh-T when they are confronted with it.

    That is why we are not going to stand by in 2008 for the same lies from
    our own party. We know Bush lies, its time to expose the lies the Dems
    do.

    Well I was wrong about some Democrats; I found out that these three men
    were different and deserved respect, honor and the chance to spread the
    word of MLK, Malcolm X and Robert Kennedy. Yes they are dead.

    The message they taught America is alive in the black community.These three
    men, Sharpton, Kennedy and Fisher can revive America and make us whole again.
    Its time to elevate our nation and regain our dignity and respect as a
    real democracy for all the people.

    Last month I was about to commit suicide , yet for some reason I
    listened to my mama and went to Trinity Church on Bancroft Street in
    Berkley instead looking for help one last time. I am glad I went
    because there is where I met a homeless federal politician from
    Florida that was wise and had a soul of an angel. His actions saved
    me. He offered me food (Big Deal), he offered me knowledge (Big Deal),
    he offered me hope (That was a Big Deal), and I needed that. On any
    other day I would have walked away and said NO and then I would
    have gone to the Golden Gate in S. F. and got high and jumped. I was
    that desperate and lost.

    I am glad that I listened to my mama because I got a helping hand
    that has changed my life and I am spreading the word that this man
    can help all the brothers across the country. I have done a lot of
    research and this man is real, honest and a true humanitarian. I will
    send links of information on this man so you can read for yourself
    why an angel in Berkley can save our nation by uniting with
    Al Sharpton and Patrick Kennedy.

    Its 2006 and I am clean for over a month. Thank you God (people on the
    net have to understand that God can be part of our life without being
    part of politics) (The black community accepts God but they knowwhen
    it needs to be separate from the state) so chill, liberals.

    The Republicans love to divide us on these issues. I want the party
    to understand why we keep losing. I want the corruption, lies and
    cover-ups to stop. I want an open and honest government. Perfection
    of our leaders is impossible.

    That should be a message that Democrats can tell Republicans. All we
    have to tell them is that Democrats obey the law of the land. Men and
    women make mistakes and we all know this. What our leaders must not
    do is break their oath of protecting the law.

    Both sides do it. Our government loves to delay any good things. The
    last good thing was the Civil Rights Act which died when
    Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King were killed.

    I have met Mr. Fisher four times since that day at Trinity Church.
    Getting him to talk is like pulling teeth. He is quite reserved and
    seems to holding back because he appears in my eyes to be
    protecting someone who means a lot to him.

    I believe that he is in love with someone who wants him to
    not reenter the political arena. I hope that is not the case, he has
    tremendous potential to be a driving force for mankind and
    improving the horrendous living conditions that our brothers have
    had to endure in urban America.

    I can tell you he said he has one friend who helped him that means
    everything to him when his family and many others decided that his
    passion for justice was not necessary because it challenged the
    powers that keep everything hidden from the populace. It must be a
    woman because he was crying when he talked about that friend,
    that person must be very special,

    I am glad that they helped him. I hope they will continue helping him.
    He appears to be alone at the present moment. I remember my father
    Crying when my mama was diagnosed with cancer, he cried all the time.
    My father loves my mama, that is why I think he must have a very
    special love in his life.

    My mama thinks the same and she told me that it is important to
    tell everyone my story and let them know that there are angels in
    America who want to help with open hands. I think that these three men
    can offer our country those open hands. Trinity means a lot and this
    must be a sign to get our act together so the dreams, words and actions
    of MLK, Malcolm X and Robert Kennedy were not in vain.

    I am including links to these three men so spread the word and Lets
    Unite Democrats Now and bring back dignity and honest to the greatest
    country that ever existed.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21903-2004Jul28.html

    http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:4woqeje6WugJ:image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2003/01/14/sharptonX.jpg

    http://www.patrickkennedy.house.gov/
    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.patrickkennedy2002.com/images/foto_pk.jpg&imgrefurl=http://necdc.browndemocrats.org/info/nedemsspeakers/&h=207&w=156&sz=6&tbnid=jrEOcN4S9YoJ:&tbnh=100&tbnw=75&hl=en&start=17&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpatrick%2BKennedy%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

    http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001344.htm#65

    http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001344.htm#66

    http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002183.htm#41
    {This link above is very interesting, it provides insight into Jeff Fishers
    character and his constant fight for Floridas citizens on protecting their
    right to vote and be counted.}

    http://electionfraud2004impeach.blogspot.com/2005/12/att-maxine-waters-and-john-conyers.html
    {What is interesting is that this blog has several links that are no longer working.}

    http://web.archive.org/web/20040120191243/http://www.jefffisherforcongress.com/dadnemo1.jpg

    These are his children that he is protecting.
    http://web.archive.org/web/20040120191243/http://www.jefffisherforcongress.com/photo/Jamie&David.jpg

    Yahoo group posting

    {More Information that Jeff Fisher was able to reach our future, a college students mind. That must be scary to NEOCONS.}

    My friends in L.A. told me about this cool cat at Berkley, (I'm from
    Santa Barbara and go to school at UCSF) who tried to take on the
    government last year. The Bush government has already taken away
    our rights so this is nothing new.

    Well, I thought that until my brothers and I did some real research on
    this guy. Holy Sh-t, this guy did the government over and he is a force
    to be respected.

    I am spreading the word to a whole lot of people and they will spread
    the word too. The information we have on Fisher is cool and it really
    rocks. Power to the People.

    Maybe this guy should be in Washington D.C. helping the Dean people,
    the Kennedy people, the Wellstone people and my brothers all want him
    to help the Sharpton people. We found out that he had two black women
    who ran his operation against the will of his wife and the people,
    (Democrats) of West Palm Beach. That is a cool thing to do.

    He fought for our rights last year and we also found out that he worked
    as a protester in 1966 and 1967 in Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia for
    Martin Luther King Jr. This was verified by some friends who have a
    close and quiet contact with the late Ron Brown's family.

    For more information join 2004_Presidential_Election@yahoogroups.com
    and then read message # 26041,26048,26058,26067,26071,26082 I also
    sent this information to the DNC to see if they will act on this information
    or if they are really what our worst fears could be, cowards to the American
    Democratic Voter. I pray they be not.

    {The yahoo group above is no longer in existence.}

    The following is information on what Mr. Fisher did for the voters
    and his support and plans he had for us. I wouldn't blame him for not
    ever running again for public office but it would be nice to see him
    working for the party promoting Progressive issues and defending our
    voting rights.

    E-mail Congresswoman
    Maxine Waters at mike.murase@mail.house.gov
    Her phone # is (323) 757-8900

    E-mail Congressman John Conyers at jerry.omalley@mail.house.gov
    or karen.morgan@mail.house.gov
    His phone # is (313) 961-5670 or (734) 285-5624

    Tell them that there is a lot of information that is new in
    several Yahoo Web groups regarding Jeff Fisher and information
    that he was not able to reveal to the Committee last December.

    COMMENT #14 [link]
    ...Doug Eldritch said on 1/10/2006 @ 12:42am PT...

    I've read the whole thing and I wish you could summarize it in just one
    paragraph.

    The DNC won't do a damn thing, so if there was proof or something and this guy brought it there, it was probably dismissed.

    After witnessing the whole hacking demonstration in Florida using
    banned-interpreter code, I am more curious than ever about this
    story....I shall look into some items and contact VoteTrustUSA if I find
    anything concrete.

    Doug E.

    COMMENT #15 [link]
    ...Tony Levy said on 1/10/2006 @ 5:06pm PT...

    :) I am posting information from emails that show that Mr. Fisher is the
    real McCoy. I am going to go through all my emails and start posting
    them to Democratic Underground and BradBlog. This time America
    will not be silenced.

    Thanks Vicki, I am forwarding your message so everyone else can read it.
    I have sent this email to Palm Beach County Democrats and they
    seem to ignore any true action. Florida doesn't really want to put
    Democrats in office that is true to all the voters. The information on
    Sen. Bill Nelson is not what we want from our own party, how could
    he have turned down election information in September of 2004 in
    Martin County when it was presented to him. Did he not take an oath
    to protect the voters?

    Why did all the emails my wife and I have sent to the Palm Beach Democratic
    Executive Committee has been ignored. We went to their web-site and posted
    emails. I am asking for a response because I am going to send this blog
    to every group I belong to and am asking for everyone to send this message
    out to their friends who want the next elections to be fair and honest. How
    many people must die because of the information that Jeff Fisher tried to get
    to America and Congress last year.

    Yes, my friends in Chicago have done research and discovered that people
    have died due to his information that tied the election to Dr. Piotr
    Blass, Sean Lennon, Clint Curtis and Karen Hughes. Yes that is new
    information that has been leaked out of the justice department this
    week. Bush is beginning to have his own people let the information out.
    Rats run when the water gets to deep. The ship is sinking and the rats are
    trying to save themselves. I will be posting more information on
    Democratic Underground too.

    The Truth is that the Democrats can not do business without the
    Republicans and that it is an election year they will walk like roosters
    but remember that in 2005 they did nothing to change the voting laws.
    The Republicans can just sit back and watch and laugh at the voters for
    believing that leaders such as Pelosi and Wexlar fight for us when the
    truth is that they did nothing to stop George Bush from becoming
    President on January 6th again.

    Thank you Sen. Barbara Boxer for being the one Senator who stood up
    to say no. Sen. Bill Nelson from Florida said yes. Democrats in both
    houses should be ashamed.

    You had the information since December and you did nothing.
    WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!
    WE FIND A TRUE DEMOCRAT AND HE GETS
    DESTROYED AND LEFT OUT IN THE COLD.
    LETS GET THIS MAN "JEFF FISHER" WORKING FOR
    THE DNC AND OUR LEADER, HOWARD DEAN.
    WE NEED PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS NOW.

    Vicky Davis wrote: Tony.... this is the means by which the radical
    elements in the democratic party retain control. They set rules for
    local party activities that dictate that they can only work on local
    issues - not national. I got into the same situation in Idaho. I was going
    to get involved with the democrat party because I was so disgusted with
    the Republicans. I joined a local group... I was going to write articles
    for their web-site. Before I could even write one article, I was told that I
    could only write on issues local to my community - example given
    (I swear to God this is the truth) - I could write an article about which
    street the driveway for the new Walmart superstore emptied out on.

    I was in shock... but I thought, well maybe the democrats in my town
    are just inbred morons. So I joined another group out of Boise.... same thing.
    I got into a discussion with a publisher in Colorado who was sponsoring
    the web-site. He is the one who told me that it was the policy of the
    democratic party to muzzle local groups... and allow the discussion of
    national issues only by the national party apparatus.

    Tony Levy wrote:
    This information is not political. It is about an American who defended
    your voting rights last year. Your attitude is why election problems
    exist. Open your eyes and see what a true American did for us and how
    our own government has covered up the truth. This message is being
    sent to other groups so they can understand what is going on in
    North Carolina and what information they are ignoring. To everyone
    who receives this message pass the word on. The truth must not be
    covered up.

    Joyce McCloy wrote: Dear Tony:

    Please take us off of your political mailings.
    Our group is set up to discuss the developments in North Carolina.

    Our members do not want political emails, they can subscribe to other
    groups for that purpose.

    This message board is solely for communicating about the verified
    voting issues in North Carolina, not issues about impeachment etc.

    Thanks.

    Lets get Jeff Fisher who is in Berkley involved. We now have his direct
    #. 510-843-6800 #778

    Spread the word so everyone who believes its time for the truth to come
    out to contact him. This is an impeachable offense. Conyers and Boxer
    would then have two strikes on the President.

    Just remember Mr. Fisher has been avoiding everyone because of the
    FBI putting pressure on him. If you need further information regarding this
    I will send you the emails that explain why this man was missing
    over a year.

    He is the 2004 Election Whistleblower and more important he has
    the information that would have had Al Gore as the President in 2000.

    I am sorry for the man who used foul language. I am going to send you
    other information on Jeff Fisher because it was him he had the proof
    that your election last year was rigged and the FBI made it hard on him.

    Joyce McCloy

    To the people in California: Berkley has a Florida hero (Sorry George)
    that defended us (voters) last year and has been left out to the wolves.
    Read about Jeff Fisher and spread the word to other Democrats and to
    our Democrats in Congress. Its about time that they help this citizen who
    defended all of us last year.

    This message is being sent to Mike, Kindra, Geoff and a Palm Beach
    voter. Our resources have gathered information that you all know
    Jeff Fisher. We also know that you were friends of his. Please help spread
    the word in your groups that he is alive but as of today Berkley has a lot
    of Republicans who are infiltrating our life. They are coming from
    Orange County.

    Michelle Gabriel wrote:

    Dear Dr.Homasey,

    Our research has discovered that you traveled with Mr. Fisher to
    Dearborn, MI in 2003 to an AAI Convention. We also learned that he
    had written a Roadmap to Peace that was exceptional since it was
    coming from a true Democrat that was looking for peace in the
    Middle East. We also earned that it alienated many Jews against him.
    If you have a copy of it could you send it via email or post it on the
    Internet so people could read it. We believe that the Bush
    administration learned of this through Congressman Wexlar's office
    and that the Israeli's put additional pressure on Jeff Fisher following
    the Election that led to his illness at George Washington Hospital
    on December 16, 2004. He just appeared in Berkley about three weeks
    ago. I hope that you can help this man. What we have learned is that he
    would have been a great Congressman and what he should be doing is
    working in Washington D.C. for the party or the state department as a
    liaison bridging the gap between the U.S.and the Middle East.

    {The Peace Plan has been found and linked.}

    http://web.archive.org/web/20040610120547/walkingwithfisher.com/positionpaperpalestineisraelpeaceplan.htm{it only has two links not working.}

    Tony Levy
    Walnut Creek, Ca

    Mike Smith wrote:

    You could have had a better Congressman. Did you know that Mr. Fisher
    was stuck in his home when the hurricane hit his home. He still got out
    and helped his neighbors and saved a persons life by removing a piece
    of wood from a child's head and not looking for the media to tell about it.
    I got a call from a person who witnessed this.
    Mark Foley was on TV handing out water. So did George. Big Deal

    Ellyn Stevenson wrote:
    You know how bad things are here when I tell you that Mark is not the
    worst we have to deal with!
    Good luck.
    Ellyn

    Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 10:18 PM
    To: Ellyn Stevenson
    Subject:

    I understand. Did you know that Jeff Fisher who ran against Mark Foley
    did all this for everyone, not just his district or the state of Florida but for
    our nation? Maybe you should tell people that this is what all of our
    Congressmen should act like. Please keep in contact.

    Ellyn Stevenson wrote:
    Yes, but I use the group for members of my precinct. It is a small
    neighborhood, and members are blocking the emails now because of what
    you're sending. We are in a very Republican area and I am trying to keep
    these folks interested and active on a very local level.

    Thank you for understanding.

    Ellyn Stevenson

    From: chris hazelwood

    Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 13:10
    To: People-v-Ohio-n-Florida@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [People-v-Ohio-n-Florida] URGENT - CSPAN to have
    Jeff Fisher (Like in a few Minutes)

    On C-Span at about (Time was a guess by Jeff Fisher) 11:30 AM
    PAC TIME today (Thursday) is Jeff Fisher talking about Election
    Fraud on C-SPAN (in front of Congress?) try to watch if you can.

    I got a call from Jeff Fisher and he ask people to get the word out. He
    was in a definite hurry, so It wasn't made clear if he's a speaker or if
    he was a person in the audience who was asking questions of the congress
    , but I think it's the later.

    From what I could get from Jeff Fisher, he will be speaking near the
    end of this event. I think it's on C-SPAN 1, but check C-SPAN 2 from
    time to time in this next hour.

    Mr. Fisher called me about 20 mins ago and was trying to get the word
    out... It seems his Internet server is not working right, (is he being
    blocked from his Freedom of Speech?) and so he had to call me and others
    to get the word out.

    Thanks to all.
    - Chris

    COMMENT #16 [link]
    ...Curtis Garner said on 1/11/2006 @ 9:31am PT...

    I now understand the power on the Internet. My own email address has
    been disabled and my information has been changed at mail.com I hope
    that anyone who I emailed will get my new address. I know this happened
    to Jeff Fisher and I will not let this man get stopped again.
    My new email address is curtisgarnerhayward@yahoo.com

    The cover-up of the 2004 election will not continue. The black community
    will unite and protect this man because he has integrity that scares the
    people who have sold us out.

    {Interesting since Yahoo has been giving political web groups problem
    the past two weeks.}

    Curtis Garner

    COMMENT #17 [link]
    ...Tom said on 1/12/2006 @ 1:20pm PT...

    Ok you nay sayers

    Tomorrow you can try to stop Jeff Fisher but he will be protected by
    his brothers from Oakland, Los Angeles and San Francisco. We have
    a following and he will get his message delivered. Its ordained this
    weekend by the late Martin Luther King Jr. A child will lead us out of
    bondage. That was more than 35 years ago. Mr. Fisher is 44 years old.
    He is the child that MLK envisioned.

    {Nothing can be more terrifying than bringing about a prophetic statement from the late MLK. That would scare any racist a.k.a. NEOCON.}

    The message is posted below

    To meet Jeff Fisher on Friday the 13th in San Francisco at 2 Stockton
    at Market Codys Bookstore- Approx. 5:30 P.S.T. He will be talking
    about the proof that he had to withhold on December 8th, 2004 with
    President Jimmy Carter.

    After the CSPAN broadcast on December 8th, 2004 where he has been
    criticized by many individuals he openly admits that he was very scared
    and nervous. The reason that nobody knew why his emotions were in
    turmoil was because he had just received a blocked ID phone call that
    told him that his companion would be in grave danger if he told the
    committee too much. He has remained quiet because he wants to protect
    this person at all costs. The person is safe now so he feels that the
    time is right to expose the culprits.

    He has told our pastor on the phone that he is bone tired of living in a
    homeless shelter, but he says it was an important time to learn that
    America has abandoned countless Americans at the stroke of a pen.
    He also told us that it is time for a real change of leadership in America.

    He says its time for America to elect a black man to represent us in the
    White House. He says its not the color of any mans skin that makes him
    a leader, its his soul. He feels that Al Sharpton and Patrick Kennedy
    would make this country whole in spirit again.

    When our pastor asked him what do you want?
    He replied, All I want to do is help my friend who protected and
    supported me when no one else would.

    He also added, I would like to be able to work with the party on issues
    that I have become experienced in, such as homelessness and the plight
    of urban black America

    On a final note he said that voting reform will only take place if
    Democrats develop true strength and say No to the President and the
    GOP on every issue.

    He said that there are some that have attained that strength, they showed
    that when they challenged the Electoral College on January 6th, 2005.
    He said it was a shame to only see Barbara Boxer as the only Senator
    to show such internal strength.

    Call and thank her,

    Barbara Boxer
    (415)-393-0707 {This was the wrong number}
    (415) 403-0100 {This is the correct number}
    Fax (415)-393-0710 {This was the wrong number}
    Fax (415) 956-6701 {This is the correct number}

    COMMENT #18 [link]
    ...Doug Eldritch said on 1/14/2006 @ 8:47pm PT...

    Al Rogers,

    I have reviewed the allegations and now have a pressing interest
    in this issue.....

    Bottom line: Please see my message at your yahoo group immediately.

    If the allegations are at all correct, and they seem partially correct
    at least from who I've talked to, then its high time to stop sending out
    useless emails and simply release the evidence.

    Doug E.

    COMMENT #19 [link]
    ...Maxine said on 1/15/2006 @ 12:29pm PT...

    Secret Service-President Carter-Fisher working together.

    January 13th 3 p.m. P.S.T.
    Secret Service Agents assigned to President Carter met with Jeff Fisher
    in San Francisco.

    Fisher relayed pertinent information pertaining to the 2000 & 2004
    general elections specifically to Florida and North Carolina. President
    Carter will be viewing this info and keeping in contact with Mr Fisher.
    The President and Secret Service have Mr. Fisher's Cell # and have
    constant knowledge of his whereabouts.

    Florida information 2000

    Confirmation of pre election correspondence assuring the election
    results for the November General Election of George W Bush over
    Al Gore.

    Evidence: email from Joe Klock to a prominent upper echelon
    national campaign official connected to the Bush 2000 team

    North Carolina

    Evidence confirming hardware coding & specialized BIO"S that
    could alter election results by affecting software in15 seconds
    used by Sequoia, ES&S and Diebold.

    Further Supporting evidence
    E-mail from Sean Lennon in mid 2004 to West Coast IT CEO verifying
    flawless results that were tested in Louisiana, Georgia, and California
    training facilities.

    Visit BradBlog.com and Democratic Underground.com for more updates
    on the Jimmy Carter and Jeff Fisher meeting.

    COMMENT #20 [link]
    ...Maxine said on 1/15/2006 @ 12:55pm PT...

    Secret Service-President Jimmy Carter-Fisher working together.

    January 13th 3 p.m. PST
    Secret Service Agents assigned to President Carter met with Jeff Fisher
    in San Francisco.

    Fisher relayed pertinent information pertaining to the 2000 & 2004
    General Elections specifically to Florida and North Carolina. President
    Carter will be reviewing this information and keeping in contact with
    Mr. Fisher.

    The President and Secret Service have Mr Fisher's Cell # and have
    constant knowledge of his whereabouts.

    Florida information 2000

    Confirmation of Pre-Election email regarding the election results in
    the upcoming November General Election assuring George W Bush
    defeating Al Gore.

    Evidence: Email from Attorney Joseph Klock to a prominent, upper
    echelon, national campaign official connected to the Bush 2000 team

    North Carolina- Evidence confirming hardware coding & specialized
    BIO'S that could alter election results by affecting software in15 seconds
    used by Sequoia, ES&S and Diebold.

    Further Supporting evidence- Email from Sean Lennon in mid 2004
    to West Coast IT CEO verifying flawless results that were tested in
    Louisiana, Georgia, and California training facilities.

    Visit BradBlog.com and DemocraticUnderground.com for more updates
    on the Jimmy Carter and Jeff Fisher meeting.

    COMMENT #21 [link]
    ...Cecil W. said on 1/15/2006 @ 2:06pm PT...

    Contact Boxer/Conyers/Kucinich/Rangel/Meeks/Franks/Kennedy

    I have been following this and it has been verified that he did show up
    at the bookstore and had his information passed on to the Secret
    Service. Since this is the case, Its time to call Senator Boxer,
    Congressman John Conyers, Congressman Dennis Kucinich,
    Congessman Charles Rangel, Congressman Kendrick Meeks,
    Congressman Barney Frank and Congressman Patrick Kennedy. T
    hese Democrats must know about this transfer of vital information.

    To reach them I am posting their phone numbers.

    Start Calling them on Tuesday and every day for a week demanding
    that they make this know to all Americans.

    Tell them it is their duty to serve the Constitution and the American people.

    Senator Boxer
    San Francisco 415-403-0100 Los Angeles 213-894-5000
    Sacramento 916-448-2787 San Diego 619-239-3884
    Fresno 559-497-5109 San Bernardino 909-888-8525
    Washington D.C. 202-224-3553

    Congressman John Conyers, Jr.
    Washington D.C. 202-225-5126
    Detroit 313-961-5670

    Congressman Dennis Kucinich
    Lakewood 216-228-8850
    Parma 440-845-2707
    Washington D.C. 202-225-5871

    Congressman Charles Rangel
    Washington D.C. 202-225-4365
    New York City 212-663-3900

    Congressman Kendrick Meeks
    Washington D.C. 202-225-4506
    Miami Gardens 305-690-5905
    Pembroke Pines 954-450-6762

    Congressman Barney Frank
    Washington D.C. 202-225-5931
    Newton 617-332-3920
    New Bedford 508-999-6462
    Taunton 508-822-4796

    Congressman Patrick Kennedy
    Washington D.C. 202-225-4911
    Pawtucket 401-729-5600

    COMMENT #22 [link]
    ...Karen Anne said on 1/15/2006 @ 2:19pm PT...

    Does anyone have a recent photo of Jeff Fisher? I live in San Francisco
    and would like to know what he looks like.

    I want to know who is the special love he is protecting. Is he cute.
    I know he is divorced. Wow, if a guy did this for me I would want
    to marry him. I don't care if he is homeless. This man is devoted
    to his nation and to some very special person he must care about
    to the endth degree. I think that is very sexy.

    Karen Anne

    {Fan mail -Maria said that out of twenty-five blogs, one looking for booty is nothing out of the unusual, especially in San Francisco.}

    COMMENT #23 [link]
    ...Virginia Metze said on 1/15/2006 @ 5:55pm PT...

    http://www.jefffisher.com/ has only one word on it -- Elaine
    Don't know what this means if anything

    {Maria is investigating this.}

    COMMENT #24 [link]
    ...Bev Harris (the real Bev Harris) said on 1/15/2006 @ 8:54pm PT...

    One of the posts above is confusing and misleading. It mixes a private
    e-mail from me to a "Curtis Garners" with the author's own comments.

    For the record, Black Box Voting has never been into the Jeff Fisher
    story, I have not heard anything yet to indicate it is plausible.

    The ONLY actual quote from me from the huge post above is this:

    "There are many election reform organizations. Have you contacted
    John Gideon of VotersUnite.org or Brad Friedman of bradblog.com?

    Let me know how they respond to your tips. Thanks!"

    It is in response to this private email from Curtis Garner, who was
    sending emails around implying that I was looking for Jeff Fisher
    information:

    To Bev Harris, I am ashamed of you. Are you related to Katherine Harris?
    You and the rest of the establishment are now banking on election
    problems. You ask for money! Did Jeff Fisher ask for money when he
    exposed the truth last year? NO! He doesn't even know about me posting
    information on him. I told you he has become very quiet. Its time to
    Wake Up America to the Truth. I am going to let the entire world know
    that you have taken the position of hiding the truth. I am awaiting your
    reply.

    -----------------

    Not wanting to be rude, I simply thanked him for the information and
    suggested he take them elsewhere.

    I also notice in the post above that the author includes various comments
    by people completely unrelated to me and then sticks links to Black Box Voting
    pages under them.

    This does seem like disinformation tactics.

    {Ms. Harris is good at election issues yet she needs to learn what misinformation
    is. Maybe a lesson on understanding 9/11 and the lies from Condoleezza Rice to
    the United Nation might give her a realunderstanding of what tactics are used
    in the intelligence field.}

    Bev Harris

    COMMENT #25 [link]
    ...Raymond said on 1/17/2006 @ 1:09pm PT...

    Our groups along with me know who Mr. Fisher is. We also know that he is in contact
    with people like John Conyers legal staff.

    Maria has been informed by the agency that Ted Kalo from the House Democratic
    Judiciary Committee and Carol Patton, Lead Counsel for Congressman John Conyers Jr.
    are investigating Mr. Fisher's information.

    Our national investigative group has been watching him since his short time in
    Binghamton, NY last September, when he was helping the Anti-War Group, the
    St. Patrick Four.

    Mr. Fisher was reported to have given key Constitutional questions to
    the defendants to beat the conspiracy charges that the U.S. Government
    was attempting to indict them on.

    This was the charge that they were found innocent on.

    The group was found guilty on misdemeanor charges only.

    This was reported to Maria again by our friends in Virginia.

    We have monitored his phone calls and whereabouts from Binghamton
    to New York City to Philadelphia to San Diego to San Francisco.
    The government must understand we are watching them too.

    Mr. Fisher has been observed living in homeless shelters and hotels
    in these cities. Somebody helped him at times and left him at times
    to fend for himself.

    We all know he is working hard to expose the truth. All of us also know
    that he is in danger of being harmed. Everybody should respect
    and admire a man who protects others and still doesn't sell himself to the
    corporate world.

    One of our operatives saw him in Sausalito yesterday on Martin Luther
    King, Jr. birthday with a beautiful black woman. They were talking
    and eating lunch overlooking the ocean. Is this the mysterious love?
    We believe that he is moving on to protect someone else.

    We do know that he is protecting more than a dozen people from being
    put in harms way. We have not been able to intercept his conversations
    with the Secret Service, however we have intercepted one of his calls
    to an individual in Ohio and learned that the list he wants to have Carter
    work on contains thirty names.

    Raymond

    {This information posted has Maria worried because her instincts
    tell her that Jeff Fisher appears to being followed by the
    National Security Agency.}

    {For our security reasons and for Mr. Fishers we are going to
    blog this entire letter.}

    Brad Fiedman, you are now exposed. The truth must be completely exposed. Its like the oath of the land.

    You either adher to it or you get out or office.

    Tuesday, December 05, 2006
    ......MESSAGE TO BRADBLOG DOT COM.......
    We are no longer playing games with you, or any of the media.

    You witness a serious and threatening crime relating to National Security, you report on it.

    http://thejefffisherfiles.blogspot.com
    http://www.thestraights.com

    http://www.erichufschmid.net/MasqueradeParty_Part_3.wmv
    http://chicagobearssuperbowlchamps.blogspot.com/

    http://uspolitics.einnews.com/news/mark-foley

    We're doing this for a Jewish woman and her family, not for you. Its to show the world just how much censorship there truly is out there. You know it.

    You see its a fact that not only the corporate media, is fully pro corrupt Zionist.

    But the online media is as well, and we have the proof.

    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006/11/whistleblowers-circle-theft-of-country.html
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006/10/musings-of-new-election-fraud.html

    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006/11/future-of-voting-now-lies-in.html
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006/08/for-fbi-secret-service-us-marshals-all.html
    You may think you can hide, but you can't. No other places censor CIA agent Seymour Hersh's comments when he spreads the word of this crime. There isn't another which censors his very name. It happens to be yours, DailyKOS, LittleGreenFootballs and the many right/left wing pro-Zionist sites. Are you that horrified of the truth, that your friends in AIPAC....corrupt Frankist Zionists, for a fact did this? Over and over again.

    http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html
    You knew everything going on there they will testify.
    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/09/foley.emanuel/index.html
    "It was cursory only, rumors" Rahm Emanuel regarding Mark Foley


    You see Brad in the end, we have millions more people who visit ours. Your name is going to be mud, just like the New York Times and many others. And not because of what we say by any means. Because of the simple fact that the uncensored truth is being exposed, and our whistleblowers are exposing it.

    PS: Jeff Fisher & Nadia Sindi are only a sample of the many whistleblowers tossed aside by the entire system.

    Go here to find out more: They can always use your help, always, and any is appreciated.

    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006/10/musings-of-two-new-whistleblowers.html

    Have a nice day.

    Roger

    posted by Roger Rancourt at 10:00 PM

    Here is the link with screen shots of what a Zionist will do in America. 35 dead black teenagers just to start with and you think thats ok.

    You are in Los Angeles Brad.

    I hope the brothers in South Central find you. I lived there for a while when I was homeless last year. i get along with my brothers. You on the other hand are a racist.

    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2007/08/december-05-2006message-to-bradblog-dot.html

    Now for more reasons to now what evil lurks in the mind of a Zionist named Brad Freidman.

    http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/7457#comment-35073

    Former NYPD member obtains deleted BradBlog info on Jeff Fisher
    Submitted by John Carter (not verified) on Sat, 2006-02-04 22:24.
    Jeff Fisher heard Medea Benjamin in Binghamton, New York during
    the St. Patrick Four Trial. They did not meet because he was working
    with Tarik. Ms. Benjamin will understand that it was important that
    Mr. Fisher not risk his exposure to the media then for it could have been
    disastrous for the Burn's family.

    Unfortunately his photo was taken and was published in the paper and
    somebody in law enforcement recognized him. Mr. Fisher got a warning
    from an individual that he was going to be questioned for his anti-war
    activities and within ten minutes he was on the road to Ithaca, New York
    to catch a bus to San Diego with three dollars in his pocket after buying
    his ticket. The trip took five days. He left with the clothes on his back
    and just three weeks of medicine.

    Now for the information that is in the header.

    Blogged by Brad on 1/8/2006 @ 1:33pm PT...
    Election Reform Sunday Double-Header
    Mark Crispin Miller & Brad, Back-to-Back on Air America Pheonix...
    Mark Crispin Miller and I -- he of Fooled Again: How the Right Stole the
    2004 Election & Why They'll Steal the Next One Too (Unless We Stop Them)

    "Election Reform Sunday Double-Header"
    (25 comments so far...)

    For Comparison,this is what it was and if you click on the link, it is what it is now.
    Rovian in nature, Bush in style. USA Patriot Act in restricting Free Speech.

    http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002251.htm

    This information was being classified as disinformation. Maria
    said it is not. She is a former New York Police Officer.

    Any statements that are in brackets are Maria and my opinion

    COMMENT #1 [link]
    ...Ricky said on 1/8/2006 @ 1:54pm PT...
    {ed note: Comment deleted. Pure misinformation. Knock it off, Ricky.}

    COMMENT #2 [link]
    ...Ghostwriter said on 1/8/2006 @ 1:55pm PT.

    :) Hi, I met Jeff Fisher today in San Francisco in an emergency room. He
    has the flu and he seemed to be very feverish. I have been following this
    story for a long time.

    There is information on a web-site in the Bay Area that might interest
    you. Go to Tribe.net and then tribes and search for Jeff Fisher.

    I got an email with the link but I am not at home right now.

    I am a member of the Green Party. I like this guy and I think you should
    be following the story with more interest. I have found a lot of new
    information in yahoo groups.

    Thanks,
    Mary Jane

    Go California Bears
    UC Berkley

    {This has been verified that he was in
    San Francisco that day, he was also seen at St. Francis Hospital that day.
    Maria has been unable to get anymore information from them.}

    COMMENT #3 [link]
    ...barryg said on 1/8/2006 @ 2:41pm PT...

    Ricky the only thing I see dieing is the support for the GOP and the
    goon squads hanging around the whitehouse. It was bad enough when
    Governors did not want the president to campaign for them now
    they will not even want thim in their state.

    COMMENT #4 [link]
    ...Brad said on 1/8/2006 @ 2:57pm PT...

    Mary Jane - Jeff Fisher's story seems to be little more than
    disinformation spread by folk related to the LaRouche folks. I'd
    recommend avoiding that story, like the plague personally. I don't think
    Jeff has purposely spread disinfo, but is likely the victim thereof. You
    can do a search for "Jeff Fisher" here on BRAD BLOG to read some of my
    early reporting on his story when it first emerged just after the Nov 4,
    2005 election.

    COMMENT #5 [link]
    ...Shannon Williford said on 1/8/2006 @ 3:06pm PT...

    I've read Miller's book (got an autographed copy for xmas...), and it is
    strong. Y'all all need to read it.

    COMMENT #6 [link]
    ...Tom Lowenstein said on 1/8/2006 @ 3:22pm PT.

    Its not disinformation.

    Go to
    http://tribes.tribe.net/democraticsocialists/thread/9943ad68-1d81-4b7b-bf4d-deeafbf66e0f#c09723b5-fcc3-48ae-8930-a231cdb3cb1d

    The information makes sense and explains a lot. I bet he knows more
    than this. The FBI must have scared him. Read the article. I would have
    been scared. I got an email from some guy in Hayward about him. He
    has become some kind of champion for civil rights in the black community.

    COMMENT #7 [link]
    ...Doug Eldritch said on 1/8/2006 @ 4:25pm PT...

    Tom:

    The Jeff Fisher story is disinformation.

    I know its got interesting tidbits, but it is interlaced with so much fake
    information involving child rapists its not funny.

    I know that Mel Sembler really is connected to the mafia and involved
    in some shady things, but come on the FBI stalked Jeff Fisher
    everywhere and threatened him!??

    The FBI doesn't do that. If that ever really happened, and some
    reporter can prove it than those people who harassed him weren't FBI.
    And they were probably harassing him not just because they were
    whackjob type people, but because Jeff sounded crazy.

    The schools out there who hacked "elections" are possible but there
    has never been any proof that it happened. And oh I forgot, the real
    money-trail for election fraud has since been found and in Ohio it was
    connected to Thomas Noe. And most likely the real money trail is tied to
    Greenberg Traurig, a lawfirm that is hooked into the mob and wouldn't
    waste time hiring school students as hackers.

    Doug

    {What is interesting here is that Doug E. changes his tone about
    Jeff Fisher by sending him an email telling him he believes him.
    Maria was able to at able to attain this information from an
    intercepted email from Doug to Jeff,

    Its nice to have friends who work in Mclean, Virginia.
    Yes, the Central Intelligence Agency.}

    COMMENT #8 [link]
    ...Doug Eldritch said on 1/8/2006 @ 4:30pm PT...

    PS:

    For anyone who wants to read that story its right here.

    Jeff Fisher story

    If you're curious at all its something to look into, and if you know
    clint curtis personally you can probably find out if he really sent any
    emails. Curtis's emails would prove right away how much of it was
    real or not.

    Doug E

    COMMENT #9 [link]
    ...Ghostwriter said on 1/8/2006 @ 4:54pm PT.

    It must be something to stop the truth from coming out. The GOP is
    crazy enough to do things under our noses. Why would a man give up his
    own liberties for no money, because he knew the truth and that it must
    prevail. I got an email from a Curtis Garner from Hayward that says it all.
    I hope that Doug E. finds God and realizes that his actions are truly
    unpatriotic and undemocratic.

    Mary Jane

    COMMENT #10 [link]
    ...Doug Eldritch said on 1/8/2006 @ 5:04pm PT.

    Ghost Writer

    Hope *I* find god?!??? No offense but you sound like a typical
    NEOCON.
    You seem to think the whole world revolves around you.

    Newsflash: The Jeff Fisher story was most likely *PLANTED* to
    prevent people from knowing the truth and nobody wants to
    investigate it for that reason!

    By the way the FBI, Federal Office I have talked to them before
    and they have never been involved in any "Florida" fraud
    investigation. They took tips from someone and that is it, I even
    know someone who works in Florida. The FBI is who nailed
    Tom Noe and sent him to jail for money laundering, money
    laundered into Ohio campaign coffers all over the place. Why
    would the FBI randomly harass citizens who claimed to have
    evidence of crimes? Unless they were just impersonators like the Ohio
    Homeland security lockdown in Warren County, Level 10 terror alert.

    Doug E.

    {Again Doug's professional remarks are proven wrong when Maria
    had her friends in Virginia contact the FBI and verify that
    Jeff Fisher and Al Rogers did meet with them in November of 2004.}

    COMMENT #11 [link]
    ...bvac said on 1/8/2006 @ 6:39pm PT...

    Ok, this is the same Jeff Fisher that appeared at Conyer's election
    irregularities hearing and had to be shouted down by the
    congressmen? He sounded downright paranoid at the time. Has he
    ever offered ANY information beyond the type of ranting he's
    become known for? His web-site has been scrubbed and the archive
    cache doesn't show anything. A quick search doesn't show any
    connections to larouche, but there were several others in attendance
    representing him. Asa Gordon offered a strategy for turning over
    the election in Ohio based on the number of people disenfranchised
    which caught Conyers' ear. It's fascinating to see the different election
    reform movements at work and tapestry of disinformation that
    threatens them. Utterly fascinating.

    COMMENT #12 [link]
    ...Robert Lockwood Mills said on 1/9/2006 @ 5:54am PT...

    On Nov. 7, 2004, the day before the Conyers hearings in D.C.,
    Common Cause held a hearing at which Steny Hoyer, Bob Ney, Prof.
    David Dill,Nevada Secretary of State Dean Heller, and others
    were present. I went to it.

    As I was leaving to catch my train home from Union Station, I ran
    into Jeff Fisher in the lobby outside the hearing room. He flattered me
    by asking, "Are you THE Robert Lockwood Mills?" I said, "I don't
    think so, but I didn't realize there was another one." He then told me
    about how he had provided John Conyers with iron-clad proof of
    fraud in Florida, which turned out to be the business about the kida
    at the military-style school being trained to rig election machines.
    He said that even his wife didn't believe him, but he was desperate
    to tell his story and had traveled from Florida at his own expense
    to do so. Since I was a writer, how did he know that, since we'd
    never met before?, could I help him? Very odd.

    {Mr. Fishers plane ticket was paid for by a friend from North Carolina.
    Mr. Fisher told me about this man and how he would pay him back for
    his good deed}.

    He had been running for Congress from South Florida, so I didn't
    Dismiss him out of hand as a kook. Plus, I had just returned
    from Florida where I had seen actual vote flipping. We exchanged
    e-mail addresses and phone numbers.

    Nothing has developed in the last 14 months, so I'm skeptical that
    Jeff Fisher actually gave John Conyers anything concrete about the
    election. Don't know where Jeff is at this point. The idea that he was
    an unwitting pawn in a disinformation plot makes sense to me, though.
    Great Rovian-style trick; if you're cheating, create a situation where
    someone accuses you of cheating according to an implausible scenario,
    then debunk the scenario and ascribe the whole thing to
    "conspiracy theorists."

    COMMENT #13 [link]
    ...Tom Lowenstein said on 1/9/2006 @ 1:50pm PT.

    I can't believe the misinformation that the Neocons are doing regarding
    Jeff Fisher. Contact Al Rogers in Florida. He went with him to the FBI
    the first time. Jeff revealed some information but not all because Al's
    life was in danger also. Jeff Fisher wanted no harm to anyone. As for
    Doug E., I can only assume that he is really the bad guy who wants to
    hide the truth about the 2004 election. I got more information on Jeff
    Fisher in yahoo web groups. I am glad that people can still tell us the
    truth there. I am going to post information I received from Curtis Garner
    on Jeff Fisher. Ok, lets see them debunk what they are telling us. I really
    hope that Brad starts realizing that Mr. Fisher knew so much that it must
    have been overwhelming.

    What follows are emails that Tom Lowenstein posted

    Received this today:
    royromes@yahoo.com

    {This story has been verified that it did take place}

    I met Mr. Fisher last week in Oakland. He was stopping
    another brother from beating up another brother. He actually kicked
    a gun out of the brothers hand. He did not run away like most white
    folk do. He stayed and helped the brother. Never in my life had I ever
    met live a white person in the hood who was blacker inside than me.
    I now have and am proud to know this man.

    I play on the net and want this information about this dude spread
    around California and our country, (this guy is like MLK). I also want
    some information on a Tracey Dorsey from West Palm Beach, Florida.
    The information on last years election is true and Mr. Fisher can take
    down the boys in D.C.

    My mama thinks he will probably get killed like MLK and Malcolm X so
    lets spread the message fast to save our ass and maybe his. I want
    this kind of man to support and work for my brothers and sisters.

    Lets make it happen. Lets pray and protect this man and what he
    did for us.

    He has seen the Promised Land and this time we the people deserve to
    see it and feel it too.

    Roy Romes
    Oakland

    Another posting in Yahoo web groups

    {Another true event that the NEOCONS do not want the black and white
    communities to know about. They will go to any length to discredit
    any fine Liberal American who does good deeds for humane purposes}

    Its time to talk about getting a brother in the White House.I play
    around on the net and search for cool topics on BBS's and the word
    is that Al Sharpton has been meeting with Patrick Kennedy to consider
    a 2008 run for the White House. This ticket would reveal racism and
    poverty in our country that would get media attention like Katrina did.

    Now that is Shock and Awe!!!

    To get this to happen people on the net,(moderators)and in D.C. all of
    you must stop hiding the truth about the greed and ignorance in our
    own party.(Democratic) The Green Party has it together. Take notice
    to this.

    "Fool me once, shame on you" Fool me twice, shame On me".

    Tell Kerry to drop out now. He did nothing right in 2004.
    He sold us out.
    Did he vote for the war?
    Did he vote for the Patriot Act?
    Did he call for a recount in Ohio?
    Did he listen to informants who had evidence?
    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am a Democrat.

    What opened my eyes to the truth only happened in the past month, so
    maybe you have the same excuse. After you read my email, I hope you
    didn't live the same life as I did. If you did,then get your act together.

    I met a Democrat in December that I think is an angel in the making. I
    told my mama about this man and what he has done for me alone has her
    going to church everyday thanking God for letting this man be exiled to
    the Bay Area. My mama is right and our pastor has begun a crusade for
    this man to get his message of saving the black community at any cost.

    In the subject line is three names listed, these men will Give America a
    real chance because they are different from the mainstream clergyman,
    politician and activist. I now want to tell you about myself.

    I'm 25 yrs old, have an MBA, Democrat, and Black and live in Hayward,
    California. I also got hooked on cocaine and martinis in college
    Seven years ago. I went to a very prestigious school in New England.
    Five years later I was out of school and thinking I could take the world
    by the(B&lls). Look out Wall Street, I was going to make a bundle
    and live the good life. The market was tanking and I was still getting tanked.

    College taught me some things that should not be allowed. I failed in
    New York City, I went to Chicago and did worse than the White Sox's
    and off to L. A. Well that is no place to make it when you have a drug
    problem. Everybody uses drugs there. My parents rescued me but I
    failed them too, They brought me back to San Francisco but I went to
    UC Berkley to party and protest the Bush Administration for all my problems.

    I was a mess and all the rich white and oriental kids didn't care about
    what was happening in Oakland. They only cared about making money
    but putting on a front by looking like hippies. It is pure Bull. Blacks
    know Bull-Sh-T when they are confronted with it.

    That is why we are not going to stand by in 2008 for the same lies from
    our own party. We know Bush lies, its time to expose the lies the Dems
    do.

    Well I was wrong about some Democrats; I found out that these three men
    were different and deserved respect, honor and the chance to spread the
    word of MLK, Malcolm X and Robert Kennedy. Yes they are dead.

    The message they taught America is alive in the black community.These three
    men, Sharpton, Kennedy and Fisher can revive America and make us whole again.
    Its time to elevate our nation and regain our dignity and respect as a
    real democracy for all the people.

    Last month I was about to commit suicide , yet for some reason I
    listened to my mama and went to Trinity Church on Bancroft Street in
    Berkley instead looking for help one last time. I am glad I went
    because there is where I met a homeless federal politician from
    Florida that was wise and had a soul of an angel. His actions saved
    me. He offered me food (Big Deal), he offered me knowledge (Big Deal),
    he offered me hope (That was a Big Deal), and I needed that. On any
    other day I would have walked away and said NO and then I would
    have gone to the Golden Gate in S. F. and got high and jumped. I was
    that desperate and lost.

    I am glad that I listened to my mama because I got a helping hand
    that has changed my life and I am spreading the word that this man
    can help all the brothers across the country. I have done a lot of
    research and this man is real, honest and a true humanitarian. I will
    send links of information on this man so you can read for yourself
    why an angel in Berkley can save our nation by uniting with
    Al Sharpton and Patrick Kennedy.

    Its 2006 and I am clean for over a month. Thank you God (people on the
    net have to understand that God can be part of our life without being
    part of politics) (The black community accepts God but they knowwhen
    it needs to be separate from the state) so chill, liberals.

    The Republicans love to divide us on these issues. I want the party
    to understand why we keep losing. I want the corruption, lies and
    cover-ups to stop. I want an open and honest government. Perfection
    of our leaders is impossible.

    That should be a message that Democrats can tell Republicans. All we
    have to tell them is that Democrats obey the law of the land. Men and
    women make mistakes and we all know this. What our leaders must not
    do is break their oath of protecting the law.

    Both sides do it. Our government loves to delay any good things. The
    last good thing was the Civil Rights Act which died when
    Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King were killed.

    I have met Mr. Fisher four times since that day at Trinity Church.
    Getting him to talk is like pulling teeth. He is quite reserved and
    seems to holding back because he appears in my eyes to be
    protecting someone who means a lot to him.

    I believe that he is in love with someone who wants him to
    not reenter the political arena. I hope that is not the case, he has
    tremendous potential to be a driving force for mankind and
    improving the horrendous living conditions that our brothers have
    had to endure in urban America.

    I can tell you he said he has one friend who helped him that means
    everything to him when his family and many others decided that his
    passion for justice was not necessary because it challenged the
    powers that keep everything hidden from the populace. It must be a
    woman because he was crying when he talked about that friend,
    that person must be very special,

    I am glad that they helped him. I hope they will continue helping him.
    He appears to be alone at the present moment. I remember my father
    Crying when my mama was diagnosed with cancer, he cried all the time.
    My father loves my mama, that is why I think he must have a very
    special love in his life.

    My mama thinks the same and she told me that it is important to
    tell everyone my story and let them know that there are angels in
    America who want to help with open hands. I think that these three men
    can offer our country those open hands. Trinity means a lot and this
    must be a sign to get our act together so the dreams, words and actions
    of MLK, Malcolm X and Robert Kennedy were not in vain.

    I am including links to these three men so spread the word and Lets
    Unite Democrats Now and bring back dignity and honest to the greatest
    country that ever existed.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21903-2004Jul28.html

    http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:4woqeje6WugJ:image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2003/01/14/sharptonX.jpg

    http://www.patrickkennedy.house.gov/
    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.patrickkennedy2002.com/images/foto_pk.jpg&imgrefurl=http://necdc.browndemocrats.org/info/nedemsspeakers/&h=207&w=156&sz=6&tbnid=jrEOcN4S9YoJ:&tbnh=100&tbnw=75&hl=en&start=17&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpatrick%2BKennedy%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

    http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001344.htm#65

    http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001344.htm#66

    http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002183.htm#41
    {This link above is very interesting, it provides insight into Jeff Fishers
    character and his constant fight for Floridas citizens on protecting their
    right to vote and be counted.}

    http://electionfraud2004impeach.blogspot.com/2005/12/att-maxine-waters-and-john-conyers.html
    {What is interesting is that this blog has several links that are no longer working.}

    http://web.archive.org/web/20040120191243/http://www.jefffisherforcongress.com/dadnemo1.jpg

    These are his children that he is protecting.
    http://web.archive.org/web/20040120191243/http://www.jefffisherforcongress.com/photo/Jamie&David.jpg

    Yahoo group posting

    {More Information that Jeff Fisher was able to reach our future, a college students mind. That must be scary to NEOCONS.}

    My friends in L.A. told me about this cool cat at Berkley, (I'm from
    Santa Barbara and go to school at UCSF) who tried to take on the
    government last year. The Bush government has already taken away
    our rights so this is nothing new.

    Well, I thought that until my brothers and I did some real research on
    this guy. Holy Sh-t, this guy did the government over and he is a force
    to be respected.

    I am spreading the word to a whole lot of people and they will spread
    the word too. The information we have on Fisher is cool and it really
    rocks. Power to the People.

    Maybe this guy should be in Washington D.C. helping the Dean people,
    the Kennedy people, the Wellstone people and my brothers all want him
    to help the Sharpton people. We found out that he had two black women
    who ran his operation against the will of his wife and the people,
    (Democrats) of West Palm Beach. That is a cool thing to do.

    He fought for our rights last year and we also found out that he worked
    as a protester in 1966 and 1967 in Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia for
    Martin Luther King Jr. This was verified by some friends who have a
    close and quiet contact with the late Ron Brown's family.

    For more information join 2004_Presidential_Election@yahoogroups.com
    and then read message # 26041,26048,26058,26067,26071,26082 I also
    sent this information to the DNC to see if they will act on this information
    or if they are really what our worst fears could be, cowards to the American
    Democratic Voter. I pray they be not.

    {The yahoo group above is no longer in existence.}

    The following is information on what Mr. Fisher did for the voters
    and his support and plans he had for us. I wouldn't blame him for not
    ever running again for public office but it would be nice to see him
    working for the party promoting Progressive issues and defending our
    voting rights.

    E-mail Congresswoman
    Maxine Waters at mike.murase@mail.house.gov
    Her phone # is (323) 757-8900

    E-mail Congressman John Conyers at jerry.omalley@mail.house.gov
    or karen.morgan@mail.house.gov
    His phone # is (313) 961-5670 or (734) 285-5624

    Tell them that there is a lot of information that is new in
    several Yahoo Web groups regarding Jeff Fisher and information
    that he was not able to reveal to the Committee last December.

    COMMENT #14 [link]
    ...Doug Eldritch said on 1/10/2006 @ 12:42am PT...

    I've read the whole thing and I wish you could summarize it in just one
    paragraph.

    The DNC won't do a damn thing, so if there was proof or something and this guy brought it there, it was probably dismissed.

    After witnessing the whole hacking demonstration in Florida using
    banned-interpreter code, I am more curious than ever about this
    story....I shall look into some items and contact VoteTrustUSA if I find
    anything concrete.

    Doug E.

    COMMENT #15 [link]
    ...Tony Levy said on 1/10/2006 @ 5:06pm PT...

    :) I am posting information from emails that show that Mr. Fisher is the
    real McCoy. I am going to go through all my emails and start posting
    them to Democratic Underground and BradBlog. This time America
    will not be silenced.

    Thanks Vicki, I am forwarding your message so everyone else can read it.
    I have sent this email to Palm Beach County Democrats and they
    seem to ignore any true action. Florida doesn't really want to put
    Democrats in office that is true to all the voters. The information on
    Sen. Bill Nelson is not what we want from our own party, how could
    he have turned down election information in September of 2004 in
    Martin County when it was presented to him. Did he not take an oath
    to protect the voters?

    Why did all the emails my wife and I have sent to the Palm Beach Democratic
    Executive Committee has been ignored. We went to their web-site and posted
    emails. I am asking for a response because I am going to send this blog
    to every group I belong to and am asking for everyone to send this message
    out to their friends who want the next elections to be fair and honest. How
    many people must die because of the information that Jeff Fisher tried to get
    to America and Congress last year.

    Yes, my friends in Chicago have done research and discovered that people
    have died due to his information that tied the election to Dr. Piotr
    Blass, Sean Lennon, Clint Curtis and Karen Hughes. Yes that is new
    information that has been leaked out of the justice department this
    week. Bush is beginning to have his own people let the information out.
    Rats run when the water gets to deep. The ship is sinking and the rats are
    trying to save themselves. I will be posting more information on
    Democratic Underground too.

    The Truth is that the Democrats can not do business without the
    Republicans and that it is an election year they will walk like roosters
    but remember that in 2005 they did nothing to change the voting laws.
    The Republicans can just sit back and watch and laugh at the voters for
    believing that leaders such as Pelosi and Wexlar fight for us when the
    truth is that they did nothing to stop George Bush from becoming
    President on January 6th again.

    Thank you Sen. Barbara Boxer for being the one Senator who stood up
    to say no. Sen. Bill Nelson from Florida said yes. Democrats in both
    houses should be ashamed.

    You had the information since December and you did nothing.
    WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!
    WE FIND A TRUE DEMOCRAT AND HE GETS
    DESTROYED AND LEFT OUT IN THE COLD.
    LETS GET THIS MAN "JEFF FISHER" WORKING FOR
    THE DNC AND OUR LEADER, HOWARD DEAN.
    WE NEED PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS NOW.

    Vicky Davis wrote: Tony.... this is the means by which the radical
    elements in the democratic party retain control. They set rules for
    local party activities that dictate that they can only work on local
    issues - not national. I got into the same situation in Idaho. I was going
    to get involved with the democrat party because I was so disgusted with
    the Republicans. I joined a local group... I was going to write articles
    for their web-site. Before I could even write one article, I was told that I
    could only write on issues local to my community - example given
    (I swear to God this is the truth) - I could write an article about which
    street the driveway for the new Walmart superstore emptied out on.

    I was in shock... but I thought, well maybe the democrats in my town
    are just inbred morons. So I joined another group out of Boise.... same thing.
    I got into a discussion with a publisher in Colorado who was sponsoring
    the web-site. He is the one who told me that it was the policy of the
    democratic party to muzzle local groups... and allow the discussion of
    national issues only by the national party apparatus.

    Tony Levy wrote:
    This information is not political. It is about an American who defended
    your voting rights last year. Your attitude is why election problems
    exist. Open your eyes and see what a true American did for us and how
    our own government has covered up the truth. This message is being
    sent to other groups so they can understand what is going on in
    North Carolina and what information they are ignoring. To everyone
    who receives this message pass the word on. The truth must not be
    covered up.

    Joyce McCloy wrote: Dear Tony:

    Please take us off of your political mailings.
    Our group is set up to discuss the developments in North Carolina.

    Our members do not want political emails, they can subscribe to other
    groups for that purpose.

    This message board is solely for communicating about the verified
    voting issues in North Carolina, not issues about impeachment etc.

    Thanks.

    Lets get Jeff Fisher who is in Berkley involved. We now have his direct
    #. 510-843-6800 #778

    Spread the word so everyone who believes its time for the truth to come
    out to contact him. This is an impeachable offense. Conyers and Boxer
    would then have two strikes on the President.

    Just remember Mr. Fisher has been avoiding everyone because of the
    FBI putting pressure on him. If you need further information regarding this
    I will send you the emails that explain why this man was missing
    over a year.

    He is the 2004 Election Whistleblower and more important he has
    the information that would have had Al Gore as the President in 2000.

    I am sorry for the man who used foul language. I am going to send you
    other information on Jeff Fisher because it was him he had the proof
    that your election last year was rigged and the FBI made it hard on him.

    Joyce McCloy

    To the people in California: Berkley has a Florida hero (Sorry George)
    that defended us (voters) last year and has been left out to the wolves.
    Read about Jeff Fisher and spread the word to other Democrats and to
    our Democrats in Congress. Its about time that they help this citizen who
    defended all of us last year.

    This message is being sent to Mike, Kindra, Geoff and a Palm Beach
    voter. Our resources have gathered information that you all know
    Jeff Fisher. We also know that you were friends of his. Please help spread
    the word in your groups that he is alive but as of today Berkley has a lot
    of Republicans who are infiltrating our life. They are coming from
    Orange County.

    Michelle Gabriel wrote:

    Dear Dr.Homasey,

    Our research has discovered that you traveled with Mr. Fisher to
    Dearborn, MI in 2003 to an AAI Convention. We also learned that he
    had written a Roadmap to Peace that was exceptional since it was
    coming from a true Democrat that was looking for peace in the
    Middle East. We also earned that it alienated many Jews against him.
    If you have a copy of it could you send it via email or post it on the
    Internet so people could read it. We believe that the Bush
    administration learned of this through Congressman Wexlar's office
    and that the Israeli's put additional pressure on Jeff Fisher following
    the Election that led to his illness at George Washington Hospital
    on December 16, 2004. He just appeared in Berkley about three weeks
    ago. I hope that you can help this man. What we have learned is that he
    would have been a great Congressman and what he should be doing is
    working in Washington D.C. for the party or the state department as a
    liaison bridging the gap between the U.S.and the Middle East.

    {The Peace Plan has been found and linked.}

    http://web.archive.org/web/20040610120547/walkingwithfisher.com/positionpaperpalestineisraelpeaceplan.htm{it only has two links not working.}

    Tony Levy
    Walnut Creek, Ca

    Mike Smith wrote:

    You could have had a better Congressman. Did you know that Mr. Fisher
    was stuck in his home when the hurricane hit his home. He still got out
    and helped his neighbors and saved a persons life by removing a piece
    of wood from a child's head and not looking for the media to tell about it.
    I got a call from a person who witnessed this.
    Mark Foley was on TV handing out water. So did George. Big Deal

    Ellyn Stevenson wrote:
    You know how bad things are here when I tell you that Mark is not the
    worst we have to deal with!
    Good luck.
    Ellyn

    Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 10:18 PM
    To: Ellyn Stevenson
    Subject:

    I understand. Did you know that Jeff Fisher who ran against Mark Foley
    did all this for everyone, not just his district or the state of Florida but for
    our nation? Maybe you should tell people that this is what all of our
    Congressmen should act like. Please keep in contact.

    Ellyn Stevenson wrote:
    Yes, but I use the group for members of my precinct. It is a small
    neighborhood, and members are blocking the emails now because of what
    you're sending. We are in a very Republican area and I am trying to keep
    these folks interested and active on a very local level.

    Thank you for understanding.

    Ellyn Stevenson

    From: chris hazelwood

    Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 13:10
    To: People-v-Ohio-n-Florida@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [People-v-Ohio-n-Florida] URGENT - CSPAN to have
    Jeff Fisher (Like in a few Minutes)

    On C-Span at about (Time was a guess by Jeff Fisher) 11:30 AM
    PAC TIME today (Thursday) is Jeff Fisher talking about Election
    Fraud on C-SPAN (in front of Congress?) try to watch if you can.

    I got a call from Jeff Fisher and he ask people to get the word out. He
    was in a definite hurry, so It wasn't made clear if he's a speaker or if
    he was a person in the audience who was asking questions of the congress
    , but I think it's the later.

    From what I could get from Jeff Fisher, he will be speaking near the
    end of this event. I think it's on C-SPAN 1, but check C-SPAN 2 from
    time to time in this next hour.

    Mr. Fisher called me about 20 mins ago and was trying to get the word
    out... It seems his Internet server is not working right, (is he being
    blocked from his Freedom of Speech?) and so he had to call me and others
    to get the word out.

    Thanks to all.
    - Chris

    COMMENT #16 [link]
    ...Curtis Garner said on 1/11/2006 @ 9:31am PT...

    I now understand the power on the Internet. My own email address has
    been disabled and my information has been changed at mail.com I hope
    that anyone who I emailed will get my new address. I know this happened
    to Jeff Fisher and I will not let this man get stopped again.
    My new email address is curtisgarnerhayward@yahoo.com

    The cover-up of the 2004 election will not continue. The black community
    will unite and protect this man because he has integrity that scares the
    people who have sold us out.

    {Interesting since Yahoo has been giving political web groups problem
    the past two weeks.}

    Curtis Garner

    COMMENT #17 [link]
    ...Tom said on 1/12/2006 @ 1:20pm PT...

    Ok you nay sayers

    Tomorrow you can try to stop Jeff Fisher but he will be protected by
    his brothers from Oakland, Los Angeles and San Francisco. We have
    a following and he will get his message delivered. Its ordained this
    weekend by the late Martin Luther King Jr. A child will lead us out of
    bondage. That was more than 35 years ago. Mr. Fisher is 44 years old.
    He is the child that MLK envisioned.

    {Nothing can be more terrifying than bringing about a prophetic statement from the late MLK. That would scare any racist a.k.a. NEOCON.}

    The message is posted below

    To meet Jeff Fisher on Friday the 13th in San Francisco at 2 Stockton
    at Market Codys Bookstore- Approx. 5:30 P.S.T. He will be talking
    about the proof that he had to withhold on December 8th, 2004 with
    President Jimmy Carter.

    After the CSPAN broadcast on December 8th, 2004 where he has been
    criticized by many individuals he openly admits that he was very scared
    and nervous. The reason that nobody knew why his emotions were in
    turmoil was because he had just received a blocked ID phone call that
    told him that his companion would be in grave danger if he told the
    committee too much. He has remained quiet because he wants to protect
    this person at all costs. The person is safe now so he feels that the
    time is right to expose the culprits.

    He has told our pastor on the phone that he is bone tired of living in a
    homeless shelter, but he says it was an important time to learn that
    America has abandoned countless Americans at the stroke of a pen.
    He also told us that it is time for a real change of leadership in America.

    He says its time for America to elect a black man to represent us in the
    White House. He says its not the color of any mans skin that makes him
    a leader, its his soul. He feels that Al Sharpton and Patrick Kennedy
    would make this country whole in spirit again.

    When our pastor asked him what do you want?
    He replied, All I want to do is help my friend who protected and
    supported me when no one else would.

    He also added, I would like to be able to work with the party on issues
    that I have become experienced in, such as homelessness and the plight
    of urban black America

    On a final note he said that voting reform will only take place if
    Democrats develop true strength and say No to the President and the
    GOP on every issue.

    He said that there are some that have attained that strength, they showed
    that when they challenged the Electoral College on January 6th, 2005.
    He said it was a shame to only see Barbara Boxer as the only Senator
    to show such internal strength.

    Call and thank her,

    Barbara Boxer
    (415)-393-0707 {This was the wrong number}
    (415) 403-0100 {This is the correct number}
    Fax (415)-393-0710 {This was the wrong number}
    Fax (415) 956-6701 {This is the correct number}

    COMMENT #18 [link]
    ...Doug Eldritch said on 1/14/2006 @ 8:47pm PT...

    Al Rogers,

    I have reviewed the allegations and now have a pressing interest
    in this issue.....

    Bottom line: Please see my message at your yahoo group immediately.

    If the allegations are at all correct, and they seem partially correct
    at least from who I've talked to, then its high time to stop sending out
    useless emails and simply release the evidence.

    Doug E.

    COMMENT #19 [link]
    ...Maxine said on 1/15/2006 @ 12:29pm PT...

    Secret Service-President Carter-Fisher working together.

    January 13th 3 p.m. P.S.T.
    Secret Service Agents assigned to President Carter met with Jeff Fisher
    in San Francisco.

    Fisher relayed pertinent information pertaining to the 2000 & 2004
    general elections specifically to Florida and North Carolina. President
    Carter will be viewing this info and keeping in contact with Mr Fisher.
    The President and Secret Service have Mr. Fisher's Cell # and have
    constant knowledge of his whereabouts.

    Florida information 2000

    Confirmation of pre election correspondence assuring the election
    results for the November General Election of George W Bush over
    Al Gore.

    Evidence: email from Joe Klock to a prominent upper echelon
    national campaign official connected to the Bush 2000 team

    North Carolina

    Evidence confirming hardware coding & specialized BIO"S that
    could alter election results by affecting software in15 seconds
    used by Sequoia, ES&S and Diebold.

    Further Supporting evidence
    E-mail from Sean Lennon in mid 2004 to West Coast IT CEO verifying
    flawless results that were tested in Louisiana, Georgia, and California
    training facilities.

    Visit BradBlog.com and Democratic Underground.com for more updates
    on the Jimmy Carter and Jeff Fisher meeting.

    COMMENT #20 [link]
    ...Maxine said on 1/15/2006 @ 12:55pm PT...

    Secret Service-President Jimmy Carter-Fisher working together.

    January 13th 3 p.m. PST
    Secret Service Agents assigned to President Carter met with Jeff Fisher
    in San Francisco.

    Fisher relayed pertinent information pertaining to the 2000 & 2004
    General Elections specifically to Florida and North Carolina. President
    Carter will be reviewing this information and keeping in contact with
    Mr. Fisher.

    The President and Secret Service have Mr Fisher's Cell # and have
    constant knowledge of his whereabouts.

    Florida information 2000

    Confirmation of Pre-Election email regarding the election results in
    the upcoming November General Election assuring George W Bush
    defeating Al Gore.

    Evidence: Email from Attorney Joseph Klock to a prominent, upper
    echelon, national campaign official connected to the Bush 2000 team

    North Carolina- Evidence confirming hardware coding & specialized
    BIO'S that could alter election results by affecting software in15 seconds
    used by Sequoia, ES&S and Diebold.

    Further Supporting evidence- Email from Sean Lennon in mid 2004
    to West Coast IT CEO verifying flawless results that were tested in
    Louisiana, Georgia, and California training facilities.

    Visit BradBlog.com and DemocraticUnderground.com for more updates
    on the Jimmy Carter and Jeff Fisher meeting.

    COMMENT #21 [link]
    ...Cecil W. said on 1/15/2006 @ 2:06pm PT...

    Contact Boxer/Conyers/Kucinich/Rangel/Meeks/Franks/Kennedy

    I have been following this and it has been verified that he did show up
    at the bookstore and had his information passed on to the Secret
    Service. Since this is the case, Its time to call Senator Boxer,
    Congressman John Conyers, Congressman Dennis Kucinich,
    Congessman Charles Rangel, Congressman Kendrick Meeks,
    Congressman Barney Frank and Congressman Patrick Kennedy. T
    hese Democrats must know about this transfer of vital information.

    To reach them I am posting their phone numbers.

    Start Calling them on Tuesday and every day for a week demanding
    that they make this know to all Americans.

    Tell them it is their duty to serve the Constitution and the American people.

    Senator Boxer
    San Francisco 415-403-0100 Los Angeles 213-894-5000
    Sacramento 916-448-2787 San Diego 619-239-3884
    Fresno 559-497-5109 San Bernardino 909-888-8525
    Washington D.C. 202-224-3553

    Congressman John Conyers, Jr.
    Washington D.C. 202-225-5126
    Detroit 313-961-5670

    Congressman Dennis Kucinich
    Lakewood 216-228-8850
    Parma 440-845-2707
    Washington D.C. 202-225-5871

    Congressman Charles Rangel
    Washington D.C. 202-225-4365
    New York City 212-663-3900

    Congressman Kendrick Meeks
    Washington D.C. 202-225-4506
    Miami Gardens 305-690-5905
    Pembroke Pines 954-450-6762

    Congressman Barney Frank
    Washington D.C. 202-225-5931
    Newton 617-332-3920
    New Bedford 508-999-6462
    Taunton 508-822-4796

    Congressman Patrick Kennedy
    Washington D.C. 202-225-4911
    Pawtucket 401-729-5600

    COMMENT #22 [link]
    ...Karen Anne said on 1/15/2006 @ 2:19pm PT...

    Does anyone have a recent photo of Jeff Fisher? I live in San Francisco
    and would like to know what he looks like.

    I want to know who is the special love he is protecting. Is he cute.
    I know he is divorced. Wow, if a guy did this for me I would want
    to marry him. I don't care if he is homeless. This man is devoted
    to his nation and to some very special person he must care about
    to the endth degree. I think that is very sexy.

    Karen Anne

    {Fan mail -Maria said that out of twenty-five blogs, one looking for booty is nothing out of the unusual, especially in San Francisco.}

    COMMENT #23 [link]
    ...Virginia Metze said on 1/15/2006 @ 5:55pm PT...

    http://www.jefffisher.com/ has only one word on it -- Elaine
    Don't know what this means if anything

    {Maria is investigating this.}

    COMMENT #24 [link]
    ...Bev Harris (the real Bev Harris) said on 1/15/2006 @ 8:54pm PT...

    One of the posts above is confusing and misleading. It mixes a private
    e-mail from me to a "Curtis Garners" with the author's own comments.

    For the record, Black Box Voting has never been into the Jeff Fisher
    story, I have not heard anything yet to indicate it is plausible.

    The ONLY actual quote from me from the huge post above is this:

    "There are many election reform organizations. Have you contacted
    John Gideon of VotersUnite.org or Brad Friedman of bradblog.com?

    Let me know how they respond to your tips. Thanks!"

    It is in response to this private email from Curtis Garner, who was
    sending emails around implying that I was looking for Jeff Fisher
    information:

    To Bev Harris, I am ashamed of you. Are you related to Katherine Harris?
    You and the rest of the establishment are now banking on election
    problems. You ask for money! Did Jeff Fisher ask for money when he
    exposed the truth last year? NO! He doesn't even know about me posting
    information on him. I told you he has become very quiet. Its time to
    Wake Up America to the Truth. I am going to let the entire world know
    that you have taken the position of hiding the truth. I am awaiting your
    reply.

    -----------------

    Not wanting to be rude, I simply thanked him for the information and
    suggested he take them elsewhere.

    I also notice in the post above that the author includes various comments
    by people completely unrelated to me and then sticks links to Black Box Voting
    pages under them.

    This does seem like disinformation tactics.

    {Ms. Harris is good at election issues yet she needs to learn what misinformation
    is. Maybe a lesson on understanding 9/11 and the lies from Condoleezza Rice to
    the United Nation might give her a realunderstanding of what tactics are used
    in the intelligence field.}

    Bev Harris

    COMMENT #25 [link]
    ...Raymond said on 1/17/2006 @ 1:09pm PT...

    Our groups along with me know who Mr. Fisher is. We also know that he is in contact
    with people like John Conyers legal staff.

    Maria has been informed by the agency that Ted Kalo from the House Democratic
    Judiciary Committee and Carol Patton, Lead Counsel for Congressman John Conyers Jr.
    are investigating Mr. Fisher's information.

    Our national investigative group has been watching him since his short time in
    Binghamton, NY last September, when he was helping the Anti-War Group, the
    St. Patrick Four.

    Mr. Fisher was reported to have given key Constitutional questions to
    the defendants to beat the conspiracy charges that the U.S. Government
    was attempting to indict them on.

    This was the charge that they were found innocent on.

    The group was found guilty on misdemeanor charges only.

    This was reported to Maria again by our friends in Virginia.

    We have monitored his phone calls and whereabouts from Binghamton
    to New York City to Philadelphia to San Diego to San Francisco.
    The government must understand we are watching them too.

    Mr. Fisher has been observed living in homeless shelters and hotels
    in these cities. Somebody helped him at times and left him at times
    to fend for himself.

    We all know he is working hard to expose the truth. All of us also know
    that he is in danger of being harmed. Everybody should respect
    and admire a man who protects others and still doesn't sell himself to the
    corporate world.

    One of our operatives saw him in Sausalito yesterday on Martin Luther
    King, Jr. birthday with a beautiful black woman. They were talking
    and eating lunch overlooking the ocean. Is this the mysterious love?
    We believe that he is moving on to protect someone else.

    We do know that he is protecting more than a dozen people from being
    put in harms way. We have not been able to intercept his conversations
    with the Secret Service, however we have intercepted one of his calls
    to an individual in Ohio and learned that the list he wants to have Carter
    work on contains thirty names.

    Raymond

    {This information posted has Maria worried because her instincts
    tell her that Jeff Fisher appears to being followed by the
    National Security Agency.}

    {For our security reasons and for Mr. Fishers we are going to
    blog this entire letter.}

    Identity theft, Fraud, and worldwide Racketeering.
    by Jeff Fisher Wednesday November 22, 2006 at 05:40 AM
    jefffishervsgeorgebush2@gmail.com 770-715-2171 PO Box 7116 Atlanta Georgia 30357

    The Truth Shall Prevail for Christ always Protects Me Reposted due to error in Title, email address and zipcode. I am very tired trying to save America from the computer room where my father lives in Buckhead, Atlanta. I just wish he would wake up and find out I have been here for almost two days waiting for him so I can tell him I love him.

    To: managers@msn.com,
    info@europol.europa.eu,
    International Courts pio@icc-cpi.int,
    US Marshals us.marshals@usdoj.gov,
    Russian News Agency info@primenewsonline.com,
    World Metro News World's Largest Newspaper info@metro.lu
    bcc
    xxxFBI@msn.com,changed for security issue
    cloak.dagger@gmail.com,
    xxxINS@gmail.com,changed for security issue
    Al James Jack Lancaster jacklancaster@sbcglobal.net>,
    Attorney Doug Wallace d.a.wallace@sbcglobal.net,
    Iran Daily News iran-daily@iran-daily.com,
    J.R.I. [Judicial Reform Investigations] justice@judicialjustice.us,
    J. Richard Niemela ricniemela@earthlink.net,
    Al-Jazeerah.info Dr. El-Najjar editor@aljazeerah.info,
    Foppe Dykstra foppe.dykstra@yahoo.com,
    Freedom Law School info@livefreenow.org,
    tom flocco tomflocco@cs.com,
    The future first lady soulfulchemistry@yahoo.fr,
    Ted Pike tedpike@truthtellers.org,
    The Exposé investigativeexpose@hotmail.com,
    Dr. James Zogby Thank you for letting me present my peace plan at AAI in 2003 with Dr. Casey Homasey in Dearborn Michigan Dennis Kucinich wasn't there but he has read it and said it would would work jzogby@aaiusa.org,
    Sallie sallie441@fuse.net,
    dot@thepeacealliance.org,
    John Caylor I am sorry they (AIPAC and the Mossad) tortured you worse than me editor@insider-magazine.com,
    waynemadsendc@hotmail.com,
    Wayne this is a link to one of the photos of the torture.

    http://www.binghamtonpmc.org/media/all/display/1470

    I gave Election fraud evidence, several times, to Congressman John Conyers and he doesn't give a rats turd about the truth. He only cares if it helps get Democrats elected. He doesn't really want to end the war and he sure doesn't care for the Arab American Communities. I will challenge him on Television on all my charges against him. John Conyers should be thrown out of Congress for not doing anything about this. I was a Democrat and he endorsed me over Foley. How much money did Conyers get to cover-up 9-11 and the 2000,2002,2004 and 2006 Election Thefts. How many Republicans lost races that they shouldn't have. I can't see how Negron could have lost in Florida's District 16. Mahoney and Jennings from the 13th each knew about me and would not help. There needs to be an entire revote to ensure an accurate count. Pelosi knows the truth too and she did nothing either. Thank God Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Barbra Lee, Patrick Kennedy, Sen. Edward Kennedy and Cynthia McKinney did try to help. I would like to know who else I talked to all summer in Washington D.C. helped me in uncovering this horrific crime. Ron Klein from Boca Raton and Robert Wexler did nothing because they have the Jewish vote locked up and they love to take money from AIPAC and I have seen both of them talking with Mossad agents. I will testify to that. They all know about Growing Together and Bay Point School and they still covered it up. I want the entire world to know that these two Democrats from Florida would sell any American Dream away if it were to benefit the State of Israel. This is America, Not Israel. We sing God Bless America and the Star Spangled Banner, not Hatifka.

    This is about Zionism not Judiasm. Write to Barry Chamish and he will explain that. barrycha@gmail.com
    votefraud. org votefraud@fuse.net,Good Day Nick
    leoguy7@hotmail.com Hello Hasan I am down the street from you. Can I come over later
    date Nov 22, 2006 6:33 AM
    subject Identity theft, Fraud, and worldwide Racketeering.
    mailed-by gmail.com

    To the Managers of MSN Business and Finance,

    What we are talking about here is a massive crime relating to identity theft.

    I have in possession as well as on CD, federal evidence of election fraud, fraudulent payments, and stealing of social security numbers that need to be witnessed in court.

    While in the process of having these documents, I have myself now been repeatedly the victim of identity theft and related crime.

    International forces, working closely with the Israelis but also the British, are intercepting our physical phone calls and illegally stealing our identities for the purpose of massive theft. They are impersonating people now around the clock, most of the time from different geographical areas and overseas.

    It is in fact being done in a similar manner to how they did the election tampering to start with, and as the following facts for your review demonstrate.

    http://www.mediamax.com/fullsteam/Hosted/msg_%2B14042914771_19_Oct_2006_18_35_24.wma

    http://www.filelodge.com/files/room47/1355954/msg_%2B14042914771_19_Oct_2006_18_35_24.mp3

    http://breachalerts.trustedid.com/?m=200610

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/business/content/business/epaper/2006/10/11/a1d_breach_1011.html

    http://20-248-c.onlinestoragesolution.com/neversurrender/BLASSMICHNIK.htm

    http://worldvtruth.tripod.com/browardfelonslist.htm

    I would like to be personally interviewed in regards to identity theft and phone calls being intercepted, and the number you can reach me at is 770-715-2171

    I am counting on those calls not also being blocked by these same forces, as what we have here is a serious security concern. I will be willing to also do a live interview or interview over a teleprompter, if for some reason phone calls to my cellular appear to be intercepted.

    This is definitely something that must be dealt with, and the court case and other information is below for review.

    http://worldvtruth.tripod.com/ricojeffjayfisher.vs.joseph.doc
    "1)Whereas, I Jeffrey J. Fisher witnessed on my own account categorical abuse administered on the children of Baypoint Schools, by one Joseph Klock and his municipalities and where-as the court in question did nothing to abstain from this abuse in the year of 2004 to which I administer this criminal complaint.

    I witnessed from firsthand account, beginning in July 2004 if not before, Sean S. Lennon discussing the abuse done to these children in more than two different schools run by the Drug Free American Foundation which it was renamed to in 1998. Whereas previously the organization in question was called Straights Inc., and was categorically involved in abuse of teenagers and parents for one decade and passing.

    On account of this, Sean S. Lennon showed me wherefore, these students being taught programming classes by one Doctor Cole, and his assistants, including Doctor Piotr Blass. Whereas this programming was being used to initiate election fraud projects in the year 1998, 1999 in respect to the identifiable pattern of theft called Choicepoint software which was conclusively removing voters from the rolls and disenfranchising those voters on this account.

    Whereas, Joseph Klock and Doctor Cole allowed Sandra Mortham and state municipalities to employ Choicepoint software into their drug program, and remove voters from the rolls as well as machine rolls. Whereas, Sean S. Lennon showed to me in October of 2004 that this program was also being administered into the voting machines as manufactured by Sequoia Inc., Diebold Inc. in which I would show you for the record these tallies do not match and are fraudulent. Hither fore, I present this information into the court record that the analysis of these voting machines shows the votes being removed and blacklisted under the PRE-LAT examinations. In which, such examinations show the error "Card Stuck Insertion" and deny, blacklist, remove votes from these voting machines thus nullifying the person's right to vote.

    In action, I request for the court to open this motion for review. Wherefore, I have witnessed first hand the man known as Joseph Klock, openly lie and deny the fact he abused and brainwashed these kids in Baypoint Schools. By the records I have in possession, I respectfully request under RICO Law 18 U.S.C of 1964 that Joseph Klock be subpoenaed to accept/deny the charges I am placing against him.

    Wherefore, I request the court consideration of the following facts to which I will add into the record to clarify. That in July of 2004, Sean S. Lennon first approached me regarding the abuse taking place at Key College and Baypoint Schools.

    Wherefore the evidence in this record shows, and continues to outline I request a motion to place all evidence into the court for review and a summons must be sent to Sean S. Lennon to agree to testify in court. Whereas, Sean S. Lennon discussed the fact that at least one student had filed charges, or left the program and still another may have died. Whereas, Sean S. Lennon further informed me with evidence that other training classes were happening in California, Ohio, and to specific overseas. Whereas, his information directly taken from computers in Joseph Klock's office show a pattern of clear, and consistent, racketeering criminal activity that needs to be open to review.

    Under RICO Law 18 U.S.C of 1964, I request an open motion to proceed to the discovery phase of action in relationship to this trial. What I will submit is my testimony for the record, so further review of evidence and material may be presented according to the events as transpired.

    I was made aware and with the following evidence in July of 2004, that Sean S. Lennon was engaged in tampering with physical elections in multiple locations and municipalities.

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    2) This continued and sustained for several months, where-by Piotr Blass instructed me to keep quiet about it and help get his son released from the abusive mind-control cults being administered by Drug Free America.

    http://20-248-c.onlinestoragesolution.com/neversurrender/ABUSEBAYPOINT.htm

    http://www.flipdrive.com/fileops.php?download=SEANLENNONEXPOSE.htm
    "ADDITIONAL INFORMATION UPDATED FOR THE FBI
    (KEY INFORMATION WITHHELD FROM WEBPAGE)
    POSTED IN BLUE (last paragraph) )

    UPDATED INFORMATION REGARDING NADER SPOKESMAN 11/17/04


    Ralph Nader came to me and offered his selfless assistance in protecting every American's right to have a fair election. Mr. Nader is the patriot who has decided that partisan loyalty is unacceptable in situations such as rigged election.

    I voted for and supported John Kerry, however he is surrounded by people who have kept him from receiving the message that he, as well as every voter in America, was cheated. I have been in contact with the Democratic National Committee's legal staff since November 12th. I have received thousands of emails asking why are they delaying to contact Senator Kerry regarding the information that would change the outcome of the November 2, 2004 election?

    Americans are SCREAMING for John Kerry to report to duty!

    To John Kerry: the nation and the Constitution are sinking fast! Save the ship (United States), its crew (American citizens) and its manifest (the U.S . Constitution) before its to late!!

    To Ralph Nader,
    Re: xxxxxx - (the Sender) see rense.com article
    "Cover-Up of 2000 and 2004 Florida Vote Continues"
    (Press release VoteFraud.org , and Blackboxvoting.org) 11-1-04
    For more statistical info, visit http://www.jefffisherforcongress.com and click on the link labeled "Surprising Florida Presidential Election Results". The data reveals that the election results are inverted/cross-party voting.
    On July 27, 2004 xxxxxx showed me an email dating from 1999 which stated that a successful run of posting felons' names to electronic voting went without any problem and leaving no audit trail. Mr. xxxxx also showed me information that it was done during the 2002 Florida Gubernatorial Democratic Primary as well. (Visit http://www.jefffisherforcongress.com and click on link labeled "Thank you Michael Moore from Jeff Fisher and Thom Hartmann"). He then told me that due to this success and the improvement of programming that it would probably be used in the General Election on November 2, 2004. This was relayed to me on July 27, 2004 in the mid afternoon in a parking lot leading from a McDonald's to the local county library in the Kendall area of Dade County. He also mentioned to me that he was living in fear. He believed his family might be killed if they found out that he gave this information to anyone. I tried to get this information to John Kerry on many occasions through Charles Figley. All attempts were fruitless.
    Additional information:
    Regarding conversation with xxxxxxx
    xxxx also told me that day (July 27, 2004) that hardware and software for voting systems such as Sequoia, ES&S and Diebold could be compromised via computer coding (source) that was perfected at Bay Point School(s) and other locations throughout the United States over the past few years. This was learned by the interception of inter office emails that were located within the computer network and hard drives. Mr. xxxxxx informed me that he was hired to secure their Internet and Intranet system. During this time of securing the system he became aware of pertinent information that was not erased from the system regarding the production and development of computerized manipulation procedures to use on a national level for the 2000 general election. He told me and showed me that the 1999 email verified that a test run was conducted for Florida only, and was a great success due to hiding any visible audit trail verifying the posting of votes from the felons list. He also told me that the purpose for the casting of votes by felons without leaving an audit trail was the easiest method because they knew that no one would be looking at the list with interest as a possible form of voter fraud. The perpetrators knew that it was going to disenfranchise thousands of voters throughout the state of Florida. When I asked him how that would be accomplished he said that would be done by computer source coding that would appear random to the average person yet it was to create under and over voting and create a bias toward a specific candidate. I was unable to attain these documents because, as xxxx explained, someone had been killed and he felt it could happen to him also… or to his family. xxxxxx told me that he informed Dr. Piotr Blass of these facts and that they had yet to find someone whom they could trust with this information. He also said that he would, over time, show me more if I could prove myself to be reliable, loyal and trustworthy to Dr. Blass.
    Later on during our conversation xxxxx showed me another email memo dated after the 2002 Florida Democratic Primary (Mid to late September) stating that the felons' procedure was a success in the election of Bill McBride over Janet Reno and Darryl Jones. xxxxx also told me that he had recently read an email that he could not show me for security reasons and the threat of possibly being killed. According to xxxxx, this email would reveal new electronic procedures that were being perfected in other facilities out of state and would possibly be implemented in the General Election this fall. I asked xxxx what it was and how it could be done. He said that it was an intricate network that has been developed since the mid 1990's and it would take place in several states to divert attention from a centralized location.
    In August, Dr. Blass informed me that he knew that xxxxx had knowledge of how the coding was being distributed throughout the United States due to xxxx being the MIS Director at Baypoint School. He told me that xxxx had revealed this information to him in bits and pieces in the early part of 2004 (Jan-March) via personal contacts at Baypoint. Dr. Blass also told me he was friends with Joe Klock even though he was made aware [by xxxx] that Mr. Klock was allegedly having sexual relations with some of the male students.
    During the month of October Dr. Blass was asking via email and on radio for financial support to free his son from Growing Together (see Rense article). His efforts were fruitless until approximately ten days before the General Election. Dr. Blass even had me advertise on my own website that if they contributed to my campaign I would donate 10% to the David Lopez Blass Defense Fund. Dr. Blass had my communications manager, Al Rogers, living in his home for several days promoting a petition to free his son, which would be given to Governor Jeb Bush. On Monday October 25, 2004, Dr. Blass informed me that he no longer needed Al's services or mine, for that matter, because he had Joe Klock assisting him in the release of his son, and that he had received the needed funds. When I asked him from whom he received the funds he first stated to me that it was none of my business. Then, a few minutes later he told me his brother provided the funds, but to not tell anyone.
    In late October, Dr. Blass informed me, while at Key College (Dania Beach, Florida), that he had spoken with xxxx again and that more information had been obtained as to how Bay Point School was getting additional funding for computer training and equipment in 2001 and 2003. Dr. Blass thought that it was interesting as that Ambassador Sembler was a key factor in funneling funds to Bay Point School via Joseph Klock as well as to Connie Mack and Michael Bilarakis. I asked him how he knew this and he told me that xxxx had told him in April or May of 2004.
    Russell Baker (Nation Magazine) has interviewed Mr. xxxx on Nov. 12, 2004 and had Mr. xxxx verbally confirm that there is documentation regarding election fraud.
    On Monday 11/8/04 Jeff Fisher and Al Rogers met with the FBI for approximately two hours giving them a detailed report regarding electronic election fraud originating in Florida. They were interviewed by two agents. The location was at 505 Flagler Dr. West Palm Beach, Florida. The name of the supervising agent was Jeff Favita. His phone number is 305-944-9101.

    On Wednesday, 11/17/04 I faxed to the Miami FBI office between 4:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. an email from Dr. Blass that strengthened my statement regarding proving loyalty was neccesary to obtain information from the "sender". " "

    4) Further evidence was brought to my direct attention as a result of this action.
    On this day, Doctor Piotr Blass was also doing direct programming work for Joseph Klock which is acknowledged. It is acknowledged that Piotr Blass knew, and did not report until at least October of 2004, that the Drug Free America was abusing children up to and including his known son David Lopez Blass.
    In that period of time, Doctor Piotr Blass also conversed with programmers overseas, programmers in other countries, and programmers who he happened to know personally were affiliated with these projects.
    One of these programmers was from Poland, and he asked him here-fore to help put his son into another additional school which was not related after they had successfully litigated his release. Those schools, affiliated with Drug Free America, taught and continue to teach programming classes which are used for election fraud and which too are responsible for disenfranchising thousands of voters.
    Those exchanges are presented below, with more in passing to continue in criminal complaint against this organization to which I worked for before discovery.
    " http://www.flipdrive.com/fileops.php?download=harrrisletter.htm
    http://www.flipdrive.com/fileops.php?download=blasspoland.htm
    "Drogi Michale,
    Bede po prostu pisal do Ciebie krotko i osobno.
    Moj syn Dawid Blass to po prostu nowy Adam Michnik
    tylko ze 40 lat pozniej.
    Walczy on o godnosc ludzka i prawa dziecka.
    Czy moga wladze Polskie zwrocic sie do braci Bushow
    lub do ambasadora USA w Polsce
    z prozba o opieke i wyzwolenie mojego syna ktory
    juz tak wiele przecierpial.
    Jak wiesz Jozek i ja cale zycie pomagamy tym ktorzy
    walcza o lepszy swiat.
    Tym razem rodzina Blassow prosi o pomoc dla najmlodszego
    wnuka Bronka Blassa i Judyty Blass Dawidka ktory konczy 15 lat w poniedzialek.
    Jest uwieziony bez podstaw od 120 dni w b zlym miejscu
    gdzie probuja zlamac wole i przyszlosc dzieci Growing Together Inc.
    w Lake Worth ,Florida, USA.

    A propos Dawidek mowi plynnie po polsku i chce odwiedzic Kraj
    i uczyc sie w Polsce jak odzyska wolnosc.
    Byc moze wystapi o polskie obywatelstwo.
    W Polsce moim zdaniem dzieci sa traktowane lepiej niz tu przez spolecznstwo ,kosciol
    i przez wladze.
    Ma lat 15 ale jest juz przyjety przez University of Michigan w Ann Arbor.
    Chce byc lekarzem i prawnikiem a la Dr Janusz Korczak
    Czy mozesz zasugerowac jakis program?
    Petycja jest na
    http://www.walkingwithfisher.com

    Nasza nauczycielka pani Rudnicka --Rudnisia-- na pewno tez by Ciebie poprosila abys pomogl temu b fajnemu chlopakowi.
    Byc moze tak jak Adam Michnik bedzie mial wielu nauczycieli.
    Wlacznie z Toba Michale.
    Ja mu z duma opowidalem o naszej szkole i Tobie rowniez.
    Czesc
    Piotrek Blass
    http://www.pblass.com
    US Senate Candidate from Florida Nov 2004
    ps
    serdecznie zapraszam na Floryde
    Jozek tez b pomaga ale swoim cichym sposobem
    Pozdrow prosze jasia litynskiego,janusza weissa i Adama Michnika
    ktorego rodzina zna mojego syna (Alain) (bawili sie w chowanego a ja pomagalem
    z matmy)
    ps2
    Jak mozemy stworzyc stypendium imienia Rudnisi?
    Chyba w naszej szkole albo...?
    ps3
    21 WDH
    wszedzie nas pedzi wszedzie gna... "

    http://www.flipdrive.com/fileops.php?download=blasspoland.htm

    Translated from Polish to English, the last paragraph reads quite clearly instructions to transfer the students into an additional school to be decided.

    " I invite help on cordially thesis ex- > Floryde Jozek but quiet manner Pozdrow prosze jasia litynskiego, janusz weissa and to sheltered adam family know my son ( ) ( entertain (play) Michnika ktorego Alain sie but I with (from) ) pomagalem matmy ps2 how scholarship name mozemy stworzyc Rudnisi? Probably, in our school either (or). 21 We ps3 WDH wszedzie pedzi wszedzie gna.""

    To: "David Priede" , "76lee" , "sebastian alegrett" , "Christina And" , "Basia Arska" , "Bill Baumner" , "William M. Beecham" , "Anatol Blass" , "Malgosia Blass" , "Piotr Blass" , "Marek Borowski" , "Helena Roza Brus" , "Hermann Burckhardt" , "Dan Clarke" , "Dr Cole" , "Deric Davenport" , "Bill demler" , "Melony L Dennis" , "Dottie" , "Jacek Drozdzynski" , "Charles Figley" , "Jeff Fisher" , "Garcia" , "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski" , "Larry Hussey" , "Hughes James-EJH005" , "Charlotte Kasl" , "Kelly" , "Michal Kleiber" , "Joseph Kolibal" , "John Lee" , "Sean S. Lennon" , "David Levy" , "blewter Lewter" , "Marcelius" , "Wiktor Markowicz" , "John McGovern" , "Wiktor Melman" , "Alain Michnick" , "Adam Michnik" , mjrx@aol.com, "Annelies Mouring" , "John Post" , "rudakov" , "Richard Sauber" , "scott porter" , "Susan Selwyn" , "Jay Shatto" , "Barry Silver" , "Barry Silver" , "Abbey Strauss" , Tremski@t-online.de, "oscar ziemba" , "Don (Boca Raton) Zimmermann"
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    Dear David Priede,

    David Blass is in great distress.
    Please watch your e mail as the situation develops.
    Your wisdom and kindness are always appreciated.
    What are you up to these days.
    I work three jobs: two colleges and industry.
    Any news on sql server 2005 yet?
    Piotrek
    Dr Piotr Blass

    David Priede wrote:
    Hello Dr. Blass,"

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    "Hi Robyn Lorenz,
    There are several ways to approach higher dimensional art.
    Let us work on this together:
    We need to look at Escher,Dali,
    mathematician Banchhoff from Brown U
    also at so called computer vision....etc
    This list is not meant to confuse you but as
    a confession that I do not know what the best
    approach will be.
    Also multimedia ideas --singing sculpture--
    are relevent here as well as moving sculpture....
    Let us get together and talk a bit."

    http://20-248-c.onlinestoragesolution.com/neversurrender/file%286%29.html
    "Are they allowing and risking for David and others there to be another statistic?

    Two kids recently died out of Baypoint Schools another DCF licensed
    facility in South Florida.
    Omar----is all over the press
    and David Okara a Nigerian kid------soon will be all over the press.

    How many more victims will it take for kids not to be returned
    to known abusers????????????

    Let us all make sure that David Blass is not another one.

    Being without an abuse hot line at the gt sites of gang rapes and brainwashing
    is very dangerous to say the least.
    Please call your elective representatives and the media and election candidates
    to investigate and to stop this outrage now!.
    Enough is enough!!!!!!!!!!! "

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    http://www.flipdrive.com/fileops.php?download=davidblass.htm "

    http://successoneut.tripod.com/ricojeffjayfisher.vs.joseph.doc

    View the entire updated court-case here. Note that there are over one-thousand files which need to be transferred, and will be available for full analysis in court.

    Signed
    Jeff Jay Fisher

    This letter was kicked back with these messages. But the third person I spoke with at Microsoft Security in Redmond Washington has agreed that we post this letter on Indymedia.org at the Arizona site for they know that the information can be attained for their security people. Microsoft is being affected by this theft and the stock holders do not need to lose money because the NEOCON/Zionists just want to gain more power and control of oil in the Middle East and control our elected officials in Washington DC and throughout our once great Republic.

    I like to use Microsoft products and I want it to always be known as the American Company that protected our nation and of course protects life for all mankind as Jesus Christ did for us at Calvary.

    The young lady at Microsoft Security in Redmond Washington was very kind and had excellent customer service skills, however Wayne and David need to get some training in that field. I won't come out and break any of your bones David or Wayne but if nothing is done I will have you arrested for treason. This is a link so you can understand why I can say that and mean it. http://www.maryschneider.us/treason.php
    I have already prepared charges against Congresswoman Maxine Waters if she doesn't cooperate with the law too.
    http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/london/2006/07/346551.html

    I also have to post the original one also so you can see the changes

    Jeff Fisher hide details 6:33 am (1½ hours ago)


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    date Nov 22, 2006 6:33 AM
    subject Identity theft, Fraud, and worldwide Racketeering.
    mailed-by gmail.com
    To the Managers of MSN Business and Finance,

    What we are talking about here is a massive crime relating to identity theft.

    I have in possession as well as on CD, federal evidence of election fraud, fraudulent payments, and stealing of social security numbers that need to be witnessed in court.

    While in the process of having these documents, I have myself now been repeatedly the victim of identity theft and related crime.

    International forces, working closely with the Israelis but also the British, are intercepting our physical phone calls and illegally stealing our identities for the purpose of massive theft. They are impersonating people now around the clock, most of the time from different geographical areas and overseas.

    It is in fact being done in a similar manner to how they did the election tampering to start with, and as the following facts for your review demonstrate.

    http://www.mediamax.com/fullsteam/Hosted/msg_%2B14042914771_19_Oct_2006_18_35_24.wma

    http://www.filelodge.com/files/room47/1355954/msg_%2B14042914771_19_Oct_2006_18_35_24.mp3

    http://breachalerts.trustedid.com/?m=200610

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/business/content/business/epaper/2006/10/11/a1d_breach_1011.html

    http://20-248-c.onlinestoragesolution.com/neversurrender/BLASSMICHNIK.htm

    http://worldvtruth.tripod.com/browardfelonslist.htm

    I would like to be personally interviewed in regards to identity theft and phone calls being intercepted, and the number you can reach me at is 770-715-2171

    I am counting on those calls not also being blocked by these same forces, as what we have here is a serious security concern. I will be willing to also do a live interview or interview over a teleprompter, if for some reason phone calls to my cellular appear to be intercepted.

    This is definitely something that must be dealt with, and the court case and other information is below for review.

    http://worldvtruth.tripod.com/ricojeffjayfisher.vs.joseph.doc
    "1)Whereas, I Jeffrey J. Fisher witnessed on my own account categorical abuse administered on the children of Baypoint Schools, by one Joseph Klock and his municipalities and where-as the court in question did nothing to abstain from this abuse in the year of 2004 to which I administer this criminal complaint.

    I witnessed from firsthand account, beginning in July 2004 if not before, Sean S. Lennon discussing the abuse done to these children in more than two different schools run by the Drug Free American Foundation which it was renamed to in 1998. Whereas previously the organization in question was called Straights Inc., and was categorically involved in abuse of teenagers and parents for one decade and passing.

    On account of this, Sean S. Lennon showed me wherefore, these students being taught programming classes by one Doctor Cole, and his assistants, including Doctor Piotr Blass. Whereas this programming was being used to initiate election fraud projects in the year 1998, 1999 in respect to the identifiable pattern of theft called Choicepoint software which was conclusively removing voters from the rolls and disenfranchising those voters on this account.

    Whereas, Joseph Klock and Doctor Cole allowed Sandra Mortham and state municipalities to employ Choicepoint software into their drug program, and remove voters from the rolls as well as machine rolls. Whereas, Sean S. Lennon showed to me in October of 2004 that this program was also being administered into the voting machines as manufactured by Sequoia Inc., Diebold Inc. in which I would show you for the record these tallies do not match and are fraudulent. Hither fore, I present this information into the court record that the analysis of these voting machines shows the votes being removed and blacklisted under the PRE-LAT examinations. In which, such examinations show the error "Card Stuck Insertion" and deny, blacklist, remove votes from these voting machines thus nullifying the person's right to vote.

    In action, I request for the court to open this motion for review. Wherefore, I have witnessed first hand the man known as Joseph Klock, openly lie and deny the fact he abused and brainwashed these kids in Baypoint Schools. By the records I have in possession, I respectfully request under RICO Law 18 U.S.C of 1964 that Joseph Klock be subpoenaed to accept/deny the charges I am placing against him.

    Wherefore, I request the court consideration of the following facts to which I will add into the record to clarify. That in July of 2004, Sean S. Lennon first approached me regarding the abuse taking place at Key College and Baypoint Schools.

    Wherefore the evidence in this record shows, and continues to outline I request a motion to place all evidence into the court for review and a summons must be sent to Sean S. Lennon to agree to testify in court. Whereas, Sean S. Lennon discussed the fact that at least one student had filed charges, or left the program and still another may have died. Whereas, Sean S. Lennon further informed me with evidence that other training classes were happening in California, Ohio, and to specific overseas. Whereas, his information directly taken from computers in Joseph Klock's office show a pattern of clear, and consistent, racketeering criminal activity that needs to be open to review.

    Under RICO Law 18 U.S.C of 1964, I request an open motion to proceed to the discovery phase of action in relationship to this trial. What I will submit is my testimony for the record, so further review of evidence and material may be presented according to the events as transpired.

    I was made aware and with the following evidence in July of 2004, that Sean S. Lennon was engaged in tampering with physical elections in multiple locations and municipalities.

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    2) This continued and sustained for several months, where-by Piotr Blass instructed me to keep quiet about it and help get his son released from the abusive mind-control cults being administered by Drug Free America.

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    "ADDITIONAL INFORMATION UPDATED FOR THE FBI
    (KEY INFORMATION WITHHELD FROM WEBPAGE)
    POSTED IN BLUE (last paragraph) )

    UPDATED INFORMATION REGARDING NADER SPOKESMAN 11/17/04


    Ralph Nader came to me and offered his selfless assistance in protecting every American's right to have a fair election. Mr. Nader is the patriot who has decided that partisan loyalty is unacceptable in situations such as rigged election.

    I voted for and supported John Kerry, however he is surrounded by people who have kept him from receiving the message that he, as well as every voter in America, was cheated. I have been in contact with the Democratic National Committee's legal staff since November 12th. I have received thousands of emails asking why are they delaying to contact Senator Kerry regarding the information that would change the outcome of the November 2, 2004 election?

    Americans are SCREAMING for John Kerry to report to duty!

    To John Kerry: the nation and the Constitution are sinking fast! Save the ship (United States), its crew (American citizens) and its manifest (the U.S . Constitution) before its to late!!

    To Ralph Nader,
    Re: xxxxxx - (the Sender) see rense.com article
    "Cover-Up of 2000 and 2004 Florida Vote Continues"
    (Press release VoteFraud.org , and Blackboxvoting.org) 11-1-04
    For more statistical info, visit http://www.jefffisherforcongress.com and click on the link labeled "Surprising Florida Presidential Election Results". The data reveals that the election results are inverted/cross-party voting.
    On July 27, 2004 xxxxxx showed me an email dating from 1999 which stated that a successful run of posting felons' names to electronic voting went without any problem and leaving no audit trail. Mr. xxxxx also showed me information that it was done during the 2002 Florida Gubernatorial Democratic Primary as well. (Visit http://www.jefffisherforcongress.com and click on link labeled "Thank you Michael Moore from Jeff Fisher and Thom Hartmann"). He then told me that due to this success and the improvement of programming that it would probably be used in the General Election on November 2, 2004. This was relayed to me on July 27, 2004 in the mid afternoon in a parking lot leading from a McDonald's to the local county library in the Kendall area of Dade County. He also mentioned to me that he was living in fear. He believed his family might be killed if they found out that he gave this information to anyone. I tried to get this information to John Kerry on many occasions through Charles Figley. All attempts were fruitless.
    Additional information:
    Regarding conversation with xxxxxxx
    xxxx also told me that day (July 27, 2004) that hardware and software for voting systems such as Sequoia, ES&S and Diebold could be compromised via computer coding (source) that was perfected at Bay Point School(s) and other locations throughout the United States over the past few years. This was learned by the interception of inter office emails that were located within the computer network and hard drives. Mr. xxxxxx informed me that he was hired to secure their Internet and Intranet system. During this time of securing the system he became aware of pertinent information that was not erased from the system regarding the production and development of computerized manipulation procedures to use on a national level for the 2000 general election. He told me and showed me that the 1999 email verified that a test run was conducted for Florida only, and was a great success due to hiding any visible audit trail verifying the posting of votes from the felons list. He also told me that the purpose for the casting of votes by felons without leaving an audit trail was the easiest method because they knew that no one would be looking at the list with interest as a possible form of voter fraud. The perpetrators knew that it was going to disenfranchise thousands of voters throughout the state of Florida. When I asked him how that would be accomplished he said that would be done by computer source coding that would appear random to the average person yet it was to create under and over voting and create a bias toward a specific candidate. I was unable to attain these documents because, as xxxx explained, someone had been killed and he felt it could happen to him also… or to his family. xxxxxx told me that he informed Dr. Piotr Blass of these facts and that they had yet to find someone whom they could trust with this information. He also said that he would, over time, show me more if I could prove myself to be reliable, loyal and trustworthy to Dr. Blass.
    Later on during our conversation xxxxx showed me another email memo dated after the 2002 Florida Democratic Primary (Mid to late September) stating that the felons' procedure was a success in the election of Bill McBride over Janet Reno and Darryl Jones. xxxxx also told me that he had recently read an email that he could not show me for security reasons and the threat of possibly being killed. According to xxxxx, this email would reveal new electronic procedures that were being perfected in other facilities out of state and would possibly be implemented in the General Election this fall. I asked xxxx what it was and how it could be done. He said that it was an intricate network that has been developed since the mid 1990's and it would take place in several states to divert attention from a centralized location.
    In August, Dr. Blass informed me that he knew that xxxxx had knowledge of how the coding was being distributed throughout the United States due to xxxx being the MIS Director at Baypoint School. He told me that xxxx had revealed this information to him in bits and pieces in the early part of 2004 (Jan-March) via personal contacts at Baypoint. Dr. Blass also told me he was friends with Joe Klock even though he was made aware [by xxxx] that Mr. Klock was allegedly having sexual relations with some of the male students.
    During the month of October Dr. Blass was asking via email and on radio for financial support to free his son from Growing Together (see Rense article). His efforts were fruitless until approximately ten days before the General Election. Dr. Blass even had me advertise on my own website that if they contributed to my campaign I would donate 10% to the David Lopez Blass Defense Fund. Dr. Blass had my communications manager, Al Rogers, living in his home for several days promoting a petition to free his son, which would be given to Governor Jeb Bush. On Monday October 25, 2004, Dr. Blass informed me that he no longer needed Al's services or mine, for that matter, because he had Joe Klock assisting him in the release of his son, and that he had received the needed funds. When I asked him from whom he received the funds he first stated to me that it was none of my business. Then, a few minutes later he told me his brother provided the funds, but to not tell anyone.
    In late October, Dr. Blass informed me, while at Key College (Dania Beach, Florida), that he had spoken with xxxx again and that more information had been obtained as to how Bay Point School was getting additional funding for computer training and equipment in 2001 and 2003. Dr. Blass thought that it was interesting as that Ambassador Sembler was a key factor in funneling funds to Bay Point School via Joseph Klock as well as to Connie Mack and Michael Bilarakis. I asked him how he knew this and he told me that xxxx had told him in April or May of 2004.
    Russell Baker (Nation Magazine) has interviewed Mr. xxxx on Nov. 12, 2004 and had Mr. xxxx verbally confirm that there is documentation regarding election fraud.
    On Monday 11/8/04 Jeff Fisher and Al Rogers met with the FBI for approximately two hours giving them a detailed report regarding electronic election fraud originating in Florida. They were interviewed by two agents. The location was at 505 Flagler Dr. West Palm Beach, Florida. The name of the supervising agent was Jeff Favita. His phone number is 305-944-9101.

    On Wednesday, 11/17/04 I faxed to the Miami FBI office between 4:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. an email from Dr. Blass that strengthened my statement regarding proving loyalty was neccesary to obtain information from the "sender". " "

    4) Further evidence was brought to my direct attention as a result of this action.
    On this day, Doctor Piotr Blass was also doing direct programming work for Joseph Klock which is acknowledged. It is acknowledged that Piotr Blass knew, and did not report until at least October of 2004, that the Drug Free America was abusing children up to and including his known son David Lopez Blass.
    In that period of time, Doctor Piotr Blass also conversed with programmers overseas, programmers in other countries, and programmers who he happened to know personally were affiliated with these projects.
    One of these programmers was from Poland, and he asked him here-fore to help put his son into another additional school which was not related after they had successfully litigated his release. Those schools, affiliated with Drug Free America, taught and continue to teach programming classes which are used for election fraud and which too are responsible for disenfranchising thousands of voters.
    Those exchanges are presented below, with more in passing to continue in criminal complaint against this organization to which I worked for before discovery.
    " http://www.flipdrive.com/fileops.php?download=harrrisletter.htm
    http://www.flipdrive.com/fileops.php?download=blasspoland.htm
    "Drogi Michale,
    Bede po prostu pisal do Ciebie krotko i osobno.
    Moj syn Dawid Blass to po prostu nowy Adam Michnik
    tylko ze 40 lat pozniej.
    Walczy on o godnosc ludzka i prawa dziecka.
    Czy moga wladze Polskie zwrocic sie do braci Bushow
    lub do ambasadora USA w Polsce
    z prozba o opieke i wyzwolenie mojego syna ktory
    juz tak wiele przecierpial.
    Jak wiesz Jozek i ja cale zycie pomagamy tym ktorzy
    walcza o lepszy swiat.
    Tym razem rodzina Blassow prosi o pomoc dla najmlodszego
    wnuka Bronka Blassa i Judyty Blass Dawidka ktory konczy 15 lat w poniedzialek.
    Jest uwieziony bez podstaw od 120 dni w b zlym miejscu
    gdzie probuja zlamac wole i przyszlosc dzieci Growing Together Inc.
    w Lake Worth ,Florida, USA.

    A propos Dawidek mowi plynnie po polsku i chce odwiedzic Kraj
    i uczyc sie w Polsce jak odzyska wolnosc.
    Byc moze wystapi o polskie obywatelstwo.
    W Polsce moim zdaniem dzieci sa traktowane lepiej niz tu przez spolecznstwo ,kosciol
    i przez wladze.
    Ma lat 15 ale jest juz przyjety przez University of Michigan w Ann Arbor.
    Chce byc lekarzem i prawnikiem a la Dr Janusz Korczak
    Czy mozesz zasugerowac jakis program?
    Petycja jest na
    http://www.walkingwithfisher.com

    Nasza nauczycielka pani Rudnicka --Rudnisia-- na pewno tez by Ciebie poprosila abys pomogl temu b fajnemu chlopakowi.
    Byc moze tak jak Adam Michnik bedzie mial wielu nauczycieli.
    Wlacznie z Toba Michale.
    Ja mu z duma opowidalem o naszej szkole i Tobie rowniez.
    Czesc
    Piotrek Blass
    http://www.pblass.com
    US Senate Candidate from Florida Nov 2004
    ps
    serdecznie zapraszam na Floryde
    Jozek tez b pomaga ale swoim cichym sposobem
    Pozdrow prosze jasia litynskiego,janusza weissa i Adama Michnika
    ktorego rodzina zna mojego syna (Alain) (bawili sie w chowanego a ja pomagalem
    z matmy)
    ps2
    Jak mozemy stworzyc stypendium imienia Rudnisi?
    Chyba w naszej szkole albo...?
    ps3
    21 WDH
    wszedzie nas pedzi wszedzie gna... "

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    Translated from Polish to English, the last paragraph reads quite clearly instructions to transfer the students into an additional school to be decided.

    " I invite help on cordially thesis ex- > Floryde Jozek but quiet manner Pozdrow prosze jasia litynskiego, janusz weissa and to sheltered adam family know my son ( ) ( entertain (play) Michnika ktorego Alain sie but I with (from) ) pomagalem matmy ps2 how scholarship name mozemy stworzyc Rudnisi? Probably, in our school either (or). 21 We ps3 WDH wszedzie pedzi wszedzie gna.""

    To: "David Priede" , "76lee" , "sebastian alegrett" , "Christina And" , "Basia Arska" , "Bill Baumner" , "William M. Beecham" , "Anatol Blass" , "Malgosia Blass" , "Piotr Blass" , "Marek Borowski" , "Helena Roza Brus" , "Hermann Burckhardt" , "Dan Clarke" , "Dr Cole" , "Deric Davenport" , "Bill demler" , "Melony L Dennis" , "Dottie" , "Jacek Drozdzynski" , "Charles Figley" , "Jeff Fisher" , "Garcia" , "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski" , "Larry Hussey" , "Hughes James-EJH005" , "Charlotte Kasl" , "Kelly" , "Michal Kleiber" , "Joseph Kolibal" , "John Lee" , "Sean S. Lennon" , "David Levy" , "blewter Lewter" , "Marcelius" , "Wiktor Markowicz" , "John McGovern" , "Wiktor Melman" , "Alain Michnick" , "Adam Michnik" , mjrx@aol.com, "Annelies Mouring" , "John Post" , "rudakov" , "Richard Sauber" , "scott porter" , "Susan Selwyn" , "Jay Shatto" , "Barry Silver" , "Barry Silver" , "Abbey Strauss" , Tremski@t-online.de, "oscar ziemba" , "Don (Boca Raton) Zimmermann"
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    Dear David Priede,

    David Blass is in great distress.
    Please watch your e mail as the situation develops.
    Your wisdom and kindness are always appreciated.
    What are you up to these days.
    I work three jobs: two colleges and industry.
    Any news on sql server 2005 yet?
    Piotrek
    Dr Piotr Blass

    David Priede wrote:
    Hello Dr. Blass,"

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    "Hi Robyn Lorenz,
    There are several ways to approach higher dimensional art.
    Let us work on this together:
    We need to look at Escher,Dali,
    mathematician Banchhoff from Brown U
    also at so called computer vision....etc
    This list is not meant to confuse you but as
    a confession that I do not know what the best
    approach will be.
    Also multimedia ideas --singing sculpture--
    are relevent here as well as moving sculpture....
    Let us get together and talk a bit."

    http://20-248-c.onlinestoragesolution.com/neversurrender/file%286%29.html
    "Are they allowing and risking for David and others there to be another statistic?

    Two kids recently died out of Baypoint Schools another DCF licensed
    facility in South Florida.
    Omar----is all over the press
    and David Okara a Nigerian kid------soon will be all over the press.

    How many more victims will it take for kids not to be returned
    to known abusers????????????

    Let us all make sure that David Blass is not another one.

    Being without an abuse hot line at the gt sites of gang rapes and brainwashing
    is very dangerous to say the least.
    Please call your elective representatives and the media and election candidates
    to investigate and to stop this outrage now!.
    Enough is enough!!!!!!!!!!! "

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    http://www.flipdrive.com/fileops.php?download=davidblass.htm "

    http://successoneut.tripod.com/ricojeffjayfisher.vs.joseph.doc

    View the entire updated court-case here. Note that there are over one-thousand files which need to be transferred, and will be available for full analysis in court.

    Signed
    Jeff Jay Fisher

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    From: "Jeff Fisher"
    To: managers@msn.com, info@europol.europa.eu, "International Courts" , "US Marshals" , "Russian News Agency" , "World Metro News World's Largest Newspaper"
    Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:33:05 -0500
    Subject: Identity theft, Fraud, and worldwide Racketeering.
    To the Managers of MSN Business and Finance,

    What we are talking about here is a massive crime relating to identity theft.

    I have in possession as well as on CD, federal evidence of election fraud, fraudulent payments, and stealing of social security numbers that need to be witnessed in court.

    While in the process of having these documents, I have myself now been repeatedly the victim of identity theft and related crime.

    International forces, working closely with the Israelis but also the British, are intercepting our physical phone calls and illegally stealing our identities for the purpose of massive theft. They are impersonating people now around the clock, most of the time from different geographical areas and overseas.

    It is in fact being done in a similar manner to how they did the election tampering to start with, and as the following facts for your review demonstrate.

    http://www.mediamax.com/fullsteam/Hosted/msg_%2B14042914771_19_Oct_2006_18_35_24.wma

    http://www.filelodge.com/files/room47/1355954/msg_%2B14042914771_19_Oct_2006_18_35_24.mp3

    http://breachalerts.trustedid.com/?m=200610

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/business/content/business/epaper/2006/10/11/a1d_breach_1011.html

    http://20-248-c.onlinestoragesolution.com/neversurrender/BLASSMICHNIK.htm

    http://worldvtruth.tripod.com/browardfelonslist.htm

    I would like to be personally interviewed in regards to identity theft and phone calls being intercepted, and the number you can reach me at is 770-715-2171

    I am counting on those calls not also being blocked by these same forces, as what we have here is a serious security concern. I will be willing to also do a live interview or interview over a teleprompter, if for some reason phone calls to my cellular appear to be intercepted.

    This is definitely something that must be dealt with, and the court case and other information is below for review.

    http://worldvtruth.tripod.com/ricojeffjayfisher.vs.joseph.doc
    "1)Whereas, I Jeffrey J. Fisher witnessed on my own account categorical abuse administered on the children of Baypoint Schools, by one Joseph Klock and his municipalities and where-as the court in question did nothing to abstain from this abuse in the year of 2004 to which I administer this criminal complaint.

    I witnessed from firsthand account, beginning in July 2004 if not before, Sean S. Lennon discussing the abuse done to these children in more than two different schools run by the Drug Free American Foundation which it was renamed to in 1998. Whereas previously the organization in question was called Straights Inc., and was categorically involved in abuse of teenagers and parents for one decade and passing.

    On account of this, Sean S. Lennon showed me wherefore, these students being taught programming classes by one Doctor Cole, and his assistants, including Doctor Piotr Blass. Whereas this programming was being used to initiate election fraud projects in the year 1998, 1999 in respect to the identifiable pattern of theft called Choicepoint software which was conclusively removing voters from the rolls and disenfranchising those voters on this account.

    Whereas, Joseph Klock and Doctor Cole allowed Sandra Mortham and state municipalities to employ Choicepoint software into their drug program, and remove voters from the rolls as well as machine rolls. Whereas, Sean S. Lennon showed to me in October of 2004 that this program was also being administered into the voting machines as manufactured by Sequoia Inc., Diebold Inc. in which I would show you for the record these tallies do not match and are fraudulent. Hither fore, I present this information into the court record that the analysis of these voting machines shows the votes being removed and blacklisted under the PRE-LAT examinations. In which, such examinations show the error "Card Stuck Insertion" and deny, blacklist, remove votes from these voting machines thus nullifying the person's right to vote.

    In action, I request for the court to open this motion for review. Wherefore, I have witnessed first hand the man known as Joseph Klock, openly lie and deny the fact he abused and brainwashed these kids in Baypoint Schools. By the records I have in possession, I respectfully request under RICO Law 18 U.S.C of 1964 that Joseph Klock be subpoenaed to accept/deny the charges I am placing against him.

    Wherefore, I request the court consideration of the following facts to which I will add into the record to clarify. That in July of 2004, Sean S. Lennon first approached me regarding the abuse taking place at Key College and Baypoint Schools.

    Wherefore the evidence in this record shows, and continues to outline I request a motion to place all evidence into the court for review and a summons must be sent to Sean S. Lennon to agree to testify in court. Whereas, Sean S. Lennon discussed the fact that at least one student had filed charges, or left the program and still another may have died. Whereas, Sean S. Lennon further informed me with evidence that other training classes were happening in California, Ohio, and to specific overseas. Whereas, his information directly taken from computers in Joseph Klock's off

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    First Amendment Rights Violated Jeff Fisher Monday November 27, 2006 at 08:42 AM


    Bill, how come you keep making references to agents of bin Laden when talking about the attacks of 9-11? Is it because you think the Philip Zelikow Whitewash Report was accurate? To date there has been NO evidence that might indicate that the attacks of 9-11 were anything other than a false-flag, or inside job. Also you say Al-Qaeda is attacking our troops in Iraq, would it be more accurate to say Iraqi freedom fighters are trying to repel the invaders? Bill don't let us down, tell us why you make the above asseertions. Thank you.

    Jesse Jackson,

    I am so glad you are on my side. Last year you made sure the information I handed you got to the correct people at the NAACP and they in turn got the Secret Service involved to investigate BayPoint School and Identity theft.


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    Rev. Jackson Calls On Democrats to Put Impeachment Back On the Table


    CHICAGO (July 2, 2007) - The Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, Sr., founder and President of the Rainbow PUSH Coalition, issued the following statement on President Bush's action to commute the sentence of Lewis Libby:
    While no surprise, President Bush’s move to commute the 2 ½ year prison sentence of White House aide Lewis “Scooter” Libby is an affront to justice and fairness.

    Libby, chief aide to Vice President Cheney, was convicted on felony charges of perjury and obstruction of justice – caught concealing and lying about the actions of the White House regarding the “outing” of CIA operative Valerie Plame, and its manipulation of “evidence” to justify invading Iraq.

    Libby’s leaking of classified information and his obstruction of justice goes right to the heart of national security; yet he will not serve a single day in jail because President Bush says his sentence was “too excessive.” Bush's action exposes his hypocritical posturing about national security; and it continues a pattern of his administration to turning a blind eye to the rule of law, bending the rules for the rich and influential, and hiding the truth about the lying, spying and illegal activities conducted out of the White House.

    It’s a case of the powerful protecting the powerful, while the poor and people of color face the brunt of the criminal justice system. It violates President Bush’s own precedent of law-and-order, tough-on-crime posturing – and how quickly he led defendants down death row as Governor of Texas. Bush said, "I don't believe my role is to replace the verdict of a jury with my own," when justifying why he affirmed death warrants for 152 inmates as governor of Texas.

    The poor and people of color receive mandatory multi-year sentences for non-violent drug charges; 80% of the defendants sentenced to death are minorities. The criminal justice playing field remains woefully and inexcusably uneven. It is a cruel irony that Paris Hilton did more time for her parole violations than has Libby for his criminal obstruction of justice.

    It is no wonder then that the roar to consider impeachment hearings is growing, as recently expressed by Congresspersons Maxine Waters of California and Jesse Jackson, Jr. of Illinois, who stated, "… When the Executive Branch disregards the will of the people, our lawmakers must not be silent. Today's actions, coupled with the president's unwillingness to comply with Senate and House inquiries, leave Democrats with no other option than to consider impeachment so that we can gather the information needed to achieve justice for all Americans."

    The President’s commutation of Libby’s sentence has all the feel of a cover up, and as history demonstrates, the truth in the end will all come out.


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    Clint Curtis (Deception) v Jeff Fisher (Truth)
    by Jeff Fisher 101 Independence Ave SE LM 133 Friday July 21, 2006 at 09:37 AM
    americanpatriotjefffisher@gmail.com (202) 580-8531 Natoinal Whistle Blower Hotline Washington D.C.

    The Truth Shall Prevail

    To my love in France,
    Je vouse aime et l'esclavege sera
    aboli quand les gens font un choix pour
    la vraie direction


    Additional links:
    http://www.maryschneider.com/ Former INS Agent (Friend)
    Muslim Marriage Link-9-11-2000 Election Evidence from 1996, 1997 and 1998 stored in purged account,Rose Parson aka Lady Gray aka bossladyjmc knew I had key information in that account and she did nothing to stop Kathleen Bushman, Scott Pedon, Lori Price, Donnie Goodman and two other individuals on the Internet from having that account destroyed
    http://johnpeeler.blogspot.com/ Former CIA BATF Agent (Friend)
    http://www.apfn.net/audio/L006I060319141047-waco-peeler.MP3
    http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=248&z=37
    American Hero and the man Lori Price http://www.legitgov.org/
    caused problems with before she incited a group of individuals
    to have my jefffisherforcongress@yahoo.com email account
    canceled and purged. That account had emails stored there
    from 1996 through the present time that were evidentiary
    material regarding 9-11 and the election coup of 2000
    For more information click here: http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/4916.php


    Today, July 20, 2006 has been a very interesting day. I went to see the
    President of the United States and Jesus Christ redirected my path.
    The All Mighty Father had other plans for me instead.That new
    path is positive and full of surprises.


    The last time something like today happened and completely changed
    America and mankind was thirty-seven years ago.

    That was the day Neil A. Armstrong took the "Small Step" into our
    greater future when he stepped off the Lunar Module, named
    "Eagle," onto the surface of the Moon, from which he could look
    up and see Earth in the heavens as no one had done before him.

    Well, today the heavens are being seen on the steps of the Rayburn
    Building and in Room 2426. You see, I handed over to that office a
    specialized set of print screens regarding Clint Curtis (This is
    where the screen shots were taken and the have not been
    made visible yet), Choice Point and Carlos Ledher and the election coup of 2000. The articles and evidence I gave freely to the Congressman John Conyer
    Jr's office.



    I had a very interesting morning with an agency that shall remain
    nameless. An agency that came to my rescue this morning, a rescue
    that will save the word,"truth". These men and women who I had the
    privilege to meet have a job that doesn't get enough praise and definitely
    not enough money for their services.I will be going over this information
    plus other written materials regarding the manipulation and fraud of our
    elections dating back to my eyewitness accounts of evidence from 1996
    through 2004.

    The surprise of the day is that I had written an email on June 28, 2006
    and today it will become a key piece of new evidence against Jack Abramhoff.
    What is so interesting it involves Bruce Cutler, John Gotti and Phil Spector's
    attorney. Gotti is guilty and Spector is innocent , yet Cutler only cares about
    the money and limelight, not justice, compassion or a man's innocence.
    The email also incorporates The Seed and Growing Together which is what
    got me physicaly involved with Bay Point School.

    It involves a death threat on me and one of the protected twenty-two. It involves
    the restaurant "Bobby Van's Steakhouse" Its just interesting that I walk by their
    Washington D.C. restaurant almost every day. Every day since I arrived in the
    District of Columbia, which was July 5th 2006 from the City of Angels, Los
    Angeles via Amtrack.


    One should see our beautiful and diverse nation via rail, its the best way to meet
    people and enjoy America the Beautiful.

    God Bless America

    Signed,
    An American Patriot, Jeff Fisher


    P.S. Please email Roger J Rosen and tell him Jeff Fisher
    will not let Bruce Cutler destroy Phil Spector, J.E. and
    the meaning of the song. "Imagine" Tell him I promised
    J.E. on Radioleft.com on December 13, 2004 I would
    expose the police brutatility Phil had to undergo by the
    excessive use of a taser on him by the LAPD. Tell them
    to contact Jennie Criscenzo at (760) 529-9809 and ask
    her to get in contact with Lana Clarkson's sister to
    expose the truth about who is behind the murder of
    her sister

    unto thyself be true

    www.NoMoreFraud.blogspot.com

    Go to this link to click on the links

    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/46264.php

    Thank you Al Sharpton for being a good man to me and to Jennifer Lynn Masaryk Ellis. I enjoyed you going after IMUS while I was in prison for ready an email entitled Queen Hillary. The Secret Service arrested me for threat to Ms Clinton. The letter is about 44 people that were eliminated by Hillary over the course of time. I even pled guilty to get time served. A book about me got me free. Its because I am a Pro Life Democrat who does place his life in Christs hands when it is needed.

    To all the men in G-Pod at Northern Neck Regional Jail.

    I told you I would mention you. To Hassan Dibich, you are innocent and the government should stop trying to make you look like you are a terrorist.

    You are a Morrocan/American whose ex-wife stole all the money and placed the blame on you.

    You are completely innocent.

    Sharpton urges divestment to clean up rap lyrics
    Rev. Al Sharpton holds a rally in the rain in Dearborn, Michigan August 7, 2007, before attending a rally calling for music lyricists to stop using the "n-word" and derogatory language towards women in front of the famed former studios of the Motown label in Detroit. REUTERS/Rebecca Cook

    Daley joins Sharpton rally
    August 8, 2007
    BY ANDREW HERRMANN Staff Reporter Chicago Sun Times

    Mayor Daley last week suffered brickbats by the Rev. Al Sharpton over police brutality. On Tuesday, Daley offered up a bouquet, appearing at a "decency" rally staged by Sharpton's organization.

    Speaking at Millennium Park, Daley thanked Sharpton for inviting him to the rally, staged to protest racially and sexually derogatory rap music lyrics. (click here for more)

    ________________

    Sharpton: Didn't come to start trouble
    Chicago Sun Times
    August 6, 2007
    BY MARY FOSTER

    JENA, La. -- The Rev. Al Sharpton criticized officials in this racially tense Louisiana town on Sunday, saying the attempted murder charges leveled against six black teens show ''one rule for white kids and one for black kids.''


    Thank you Edwar Kennedy for your help last year.

    STATEMENT OF SENATOR EDWARD M. KENNEDY ON IRAQ
    (As Prepared for Delivery)
    July 17, 2007
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    Mr. President, these are very difficult days in our history. The war in Iraq continues to impose an unacceptably heavy toll on our military, their families, our national security, and our ability to lead the world. I intend to vote for the Levin-Reed amendment, and I urge the Senate to approve it.

    America is paying an enormous cost for a war we never should have fought, and it’s time to bring it to an end.

    The war has divided us here at home, and it has made us more isolated in the world. Never before, even in the Vietnam War, has America taken such massive military action with so little international support.

    As the intelligence community confirmed yet again today, the war has become a significant recruitment tool for Al Qaeda. It said, we assess that Al Qaeda’s “association with Al Qaeda Iraq helps Al Qaeda to energize the broader Sunni extremist community, raise resources, and to recruit and indoctrinate operatives, including for Homeland attacks.” This has obviously made the war on terrorism harder – not easier – to win.

    Nevertheless, the Administration still continues to turn a deaf ear to all the voices calling for change. It continues to plead for more and more time to pursue its failed course in Iraq.

    Republicans in the Senate continue to filibuster any effort to outline a clear timetable for the withdrawal of American troops.

    The disastrous consequences of our policy could have been avoided if the President and his advisors had asked the right questions before rushing headlong into an unnecessary and unjust war.

    In my church, there are six principles which guide the determination of “just war.” They were first developed by St. Augustine in the Fifth Century and expanded by St. Thomas Aquinas in the Thirteenth Century.

    To be just, a war must have a just cause, confronting a danger that is beyond question. It must be declared by legitimate authority acting on behalf of the people. It must be driven by the right intention, not ulterior, self-interested motives. It must be a last resort. It must be proportional, so that the harm inflicted does not outweigh the good achieved. And it must have a reasonable chance of success.

    These are the sound criteria by which the President should have judged our war in Iraq. But he failed our men and women in uniform by refusing to seek honest answers to these important questions before recklessly plunging the nation into war.

    We now know – with crystal clarity – that the war in Iraq did not meet these criteria.

    Saddam did not pose the kind of threat that justified this war. But we went to war anyway, without legitimate support from the international community.

    The Administration was wrong to allow the anti-Iraq zealots in its ranks to exploit the 9/11 tragedy to make war against Iraq a higher priority than the war against terrorism in Afghanistan.

    War with Iraq was most certainly not the last resort. All options were not pursued. We should have given inspectors more time to reveal that there were, in fact, no weapons of mass destruction.

    The human cost of this war has been unacceptable. More than 3,600 Americans have been killed and nearly 27,000 have wounded. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been killed, and Iraq has descended into civil war.

    The Administration’s incompetence in waging this misguided war has left no reasonable chance of success.

    Americans have spoken clearly and urgently about the need to end the war, and it’s time for the President to listen to their pleas.

    We should end this war with the scaled back mission for our troops and the clear timetable for withdrawal specified in the Levin-Reed amendment.

    America has been sadly diminished in the world because of this colossal blunder. Anti-Americanism is on the rise. We seem to have lost our way, our vision, and our confidence in the future.

    In his farewell address to the nation in January 1989, Ronald Reagan described one of the singular triumphs of his presidency - the recovery of American standing and morale. I believe he was right when he said “America is respected again in the world and looked to for leadership.”

    Other nations understood that the best guarantee of peace and stability was for the United States to live up to its ideals as a beacon of hope for the rest of the planet. We were admired for our democracy and respected for our economic strength.

    Today, others have stopped listening to us the way they once did. At the end of June, the Pew Global Attitudes Project reported that since 2002, the image of the United States has plummeted throughout the world. Our image is abysmal in most Muslim countries and it continues to decline among the people of many of America’s oldest allies.

    We have strained the extraordinary alliances that advanced our ideals as well as our interests. At the root of much of the anti-Americanism that has surfaced in recent years is the perception of American unilateralism in international affairs.

    I’m astonished when some say it does not matter that so many in the world no longer respect the United States. Of course it matters. It matters to our security – and it has mattered since the first days of our Republic. The opening paragraph of the Declaration of Independence acknowledges the importance of “a decent respect for the opinions of mankind.” That respect is as important today as it was when our founders signed the declaration affirming it on that first Fourth of July.

    To restore America’s standing and strength, we must end the war in Iraq and recapture that combination of realism and idealism that have inspired Americans for generations. Ending this unacceptable war is essential to our security and to regaining our respect in the world.

    The great challenges facing our fragile planet require an abundance of hope that only a united and determined America can provide. America has to lead. America has to inspire. But we cannot do so if we remain bogged down in Iraq’s civil war.

    Might alone cannot make America right. By prescribing our own rules for the modern world, we have deprived our great nation of the moral claim that is the basis of our being and the purpose of our power, and we are paying an exorbitant price.

    We can and sometimes must defend democracy by force, but we cannot impose it by force. Democratic principles are universal, but democracy must find its champions within each country’s culture and traditions.

    We need to end the war and regain a time when America is able to seek common ground with our friends. We need to renew the alliances that kept the world safe for human rights and human survival when the threat of nuclear war was a clear and present danger. We will always defend our interests, but we put them at grave risk when we act unilaterally in an interdependent world.

    We live in a time of enormous possibility and enormous risk. No nation is guaranteed a limitless future of prosperity or security. We have to work for it. We have to sacrifice for it. The sacrifices we are making in Iraq are no longer worth the immense cost in human lives or the immense cost to our national prestige and interest.

    President Bush has squandered every opportunity to stabilize Iraq. Any honest assessment can realistically lead to only one conclusion: America’s interests will be best served when our military disengages from Iraq.

    Certainly, there will be violence when our combat troops leave. But there will be far more violence if we continue to police Iraq’s civil war indefinitely, as the President proposes.

    Last week, President Bush said “There is war fatigue in America. It’s affecting our psychology.” For once, the President is right.

    There is fatigue in America.

    Americans are tired of an Administration whose ill-conceived notion of “preventive war” plunged this nation into Iraq’s bloody civil war.

    America’s are tired of an administration that told us the mission was accomplished, when the tally of American dead was only beginning to mount.

    Americans are tired of an administration that continues to promise that hope is just around the corner, and begs for time for a policy that stands no chance of succeeding now, in September, or ever.

    Years ago, one of the giants of the Senate said that partisanship should stop at the water’s edge. Arthur Vandenberg, the Republican from Michigan, who was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, worked closely with President Truman to lay the foundation for a foreign policy of the United States that could guide us through the Cold War. Senator Vandenberg set the bar high for us in the Senate. We can aspire to that ideal, but it is hard to achieve it in this Congress, as it has been in other Congresses.

    Over the past few weeks, a shift has begun to take place. Not as quickly as many of us feel is necessary, but a change nonetheless.

    Two weeks ago in a speech on this floor, one of the successors of Arthur Vandenberg as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, our distinguished colleague from Indiana, who was himself Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, reminded us that we do not owe the President our unquestioning agreement, but we do owe him and the American people our constructive engagement.

    Last Friday, Senator Lugar was joined by the senior senator from Virginia, Senator Warner, in offering an amendment that would require the administration to review our Iraq strategy and outline plans for an orderly redeployment of our troops.

    Two weeks ago, in his statement on this floor, Senator Lugar said “the United States has violated some basic national security precepts during our military engagement in Iraq. We have overestimated what the military can achieve, we have set goals that are unrealistic, and we have inadequately factored in the broader regional consequences of our actions. Perhaps most critically, our focus on Iraq has diverted us from opportunities to change the world in directions that strengthen our national security.”

    I agree with that judgment, although I believe the Warner-Lugar amendment does not go far enough in bringing this war to an end.

    It is undeniable that the American people have turned against this war, and it is imperative for the President to understand and accept that basic fact. We call for the President to end the war not as Democrats or Republicans, but as Americans who are deeply concerned about the perilous path on which the nation is moving.

    The American people understand that there are no easy options. But they also understand that the President’s strategy simply does not protect U.S. interests. They understand that it is wrong to buy time, to hand off the mess he created in Iraq off to the next President, and to keep our troops in harm’s way with a policy that is not worthy of their sacrifice.

    The overarching question is not whether we leave Iraq, but how we leave Iraq. Disastrous choices and disastrous leadership have brought us to this dangerous point. We need to redefine our strategic goal in Iraq and the region, and have a realistic policy that supports that objective. Whatever we do, it’s going to be difficult. But we need to be move forward and begin the process – and soon.

    We need work with Iraq’s neighbors to mitigate the damage the President’s policy has created and minimize outside intervention, but we cannot allow the fear of instability to put the brakes on the process of military disengagement.

    Majorities in three countries bordering Iraq – Turkey, Jordan, and Kuwait – say our troops should be removed. In Turkey, one of our most important allies in the region bordering Iraq, only 9% support our position. Even in Iraq itself, just a few months ago, tens of thousands marched demanding an end to what they called the “American occupation.”

    Each country in the region has an interest in Iraq’s stability, and we need to work with them – diplomatically – to find common ground and mitigate the damage caused by the President’s failed policy. They need to come forward, work with our nation, and play a constructive role.

    Part of that effort needs to address the growing needs of the millions who have fled the violence in Iraq.

    More than two million Iraqis who have fled to neighboring Jordan and Syria, and they are a destabilizing force in the region. The toll of suffering is immense. The danger these tragic circumstances pose for our national security and for the countries in the region hosting these vulnerable people is real. The anger, desperation, and hopelessness that envelope these refugees is a breeding ground for terrorists and will undoubtedly be exploited by our enemies.

    America has a fundamental moral obligation to help, especially those who have supported America in Iraq. There is no doubt that Iraqis who have worked in positions in direct support of the United States have been killed or injured in reprisals for that support. Many more Iraqis associated with the United States have fled in fear and lost all they had. We must keep faith with those who now have a bull’s-eye on their backs because of their ties with our country.

    At a hearing by the Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this year, Iraqis offered chilling testimony about the dangers they face because of their association with America. A translator for U.S. and Coalition forces told of seeing his name posted on death lists, and said his friends turned on him because they believed he was a traitor. An Iraqi truck driver who delivered water to American forces said that terrorist groups had targeted him, his wife and their six children because of his support for our soldiers.

    Not only do we have an obligation to help those who have helped us, we have a precedent for action. As the war in Vietnam drew to a close, President Ford emphasized America’s duty to rescue those who had assisted us. He called our response to that refugee crisis “a reaffirmation of American awareness of the roots and ideals of our society,” and he personally greeted Vietnamese refugees on their arrival here.

    But, sadly, there are many Iraqis working with our armed forces, our diplomatic mission, and our reconstruction teams in Iraq who have performed valiantly, but have been abandoned by our government in their hour of need. Because of this support, insurgents have threatened and attacked their family members. Many have lost their lives, and many more have lost their houses, property, and livelihood. For some, it will be too dangerous to ever return home.

    America cannot resettle all of Iraq’s refugees, but we must show leadership by accepting far greater numbers of refugees closely associated with our military operation.

    Keeping our troops in Iraq indefinitely as the President proposes is simply not the solution to the humanitarian and refugee crisis.

    Mr. President, the consequences of the decisions we make here in Congress profoundly affect our military, their families, and the communities they have left. We have an obligation to our soldiers to make sensible decisions that will not place them needlessly in harm’s way.

    In February, I spoke about the 65 soldiers from Massachusetts who had died in Iraq. Since then, Massachusetts has lost ten more. We in Massachusetts feel especially deeply the loss of these sons and daughters killed in Iraq:

    Private John Landry
    Sergeant Adam Kennedy
    Captain Anthony Palermo
    Staff Sergeant William Callahan
    First Lieutenant Ryan P. Jones
    Specialist Kyle Little
    Lance Corporal Walter O’Haire
    Lieutenant Andrew Bacevich
    Sergeant Daniel Newsome
    Staff Sergeant Robb Rolfing

    We salute them. We pray for their families. We honor their sacrifice today and every day. We must insist on a policy worthy of their sacrifice.

    The choice is clear. We can continue on the same failed course as those who are leading this filibuster in the Senate are proposing. Or we can adopt the Levin-Reed amendment and begin to bring our troops home to the hero’s welcome they have earned and so obviously deserve.

    For the sake of our men and women in uniform and our national security, I hope we will change course and approve the Levin-Reed amendment.


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    Laura Capps/ Melissa Wagoner (202) 224-2633

    To All Prosecutors, Delegates as well as Media;


    THE BIG FRAUD: VITTER & ABRAMOFF STYLE
    http://thinkprogress.org/abramoff-scandal
    http://www.jackinthehouse.org


    Senator David Vitter was involved in one of the biggest fraud schemes the world has ever seen. Besides being a paying customer to Pamela Martin & Associates, Vitter was also one hundred percent in the pocket of Jack Abramoff & the Turkish Russian Mafia......A match made in hell.
    " (Reed got $4 m altogether) Abramoff funneled cash to Federal level (Dept. of Interior, indirectly through CREA ($225 000), Gale Norton's former PAC, now run by Italia Federici to get access to Griles and Norton in Interior) and cash to Senators and Representatives to write letters to Interior to stop Jena. Abramoff was on first-name basis with Griles, Griles arranged meetings between Coushatta and MS Choctaw chiefs (MS Choctaw also an Abramoff client, also opposed Jena) and Norton. Meetings occurred at CREA functions as well as officially, at Interior. Vitter wrote letters to Interior, got 26 other house members to sign. Reed promoted Vitter in postcard campaign, who later won LA Senate race. Senators Breaux, Lott, Cochran send letters to Interior.
    January 29, 2002, In an e-mail Abramoff tells Scanlon "I have to meet with the monkeys from the Choctaw tribal council." [6]
    February 2002 - Abramoff knows through Reed that the Tigua casino is about to get shut down by Cornyn. Abramoff and Scanlon make a move to take on Tigua as clients. Abramoff gets the Tigua to pay for Ney's Scotland golf trip (w/Safavian, Reed, Abramoff).
    March 6, 2002 - After all the letters have been written, Coushatta cut the checks to 61 members of Congress. Also, one check on the list makes the CREA->Norton link implicit: "Council for Republican Advocacy (Norton)."
    March 7, 2002 - DoI rejects Jena compact. After rejection, Jena hired their own lobbyists (Patton-Boggs) and tried again, this time with tacit support of Billy Tauzin and Breaux.
    March 2002 - LA Rep. McCrery's chief of staff, Bob Brooks (who later went on a Scotland golf trip with Abramoff) writes up legislation to block Jena.
    Apr 17, 2002: a press release "JUDICIAL WATCH TO INVESTIGATE INFLUENCE PEDDLING AT BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS AND INTERIOR DEPARTMENT: Quid Pro Quo Of Campaign Contributions From Indian Gambling Revenues In Exchange For Meetings And Political Favors? Time Magazine Implicates Number 2 Official At BIA In Influence Peddling Scheme" at http://www.judicialwatch.org/1734.shtml - Note that it cites an April 11, 2002 article from Wall Street Journal, and Time Magazine of April 22, 2002.
    June 2002 - Strongly worded, Abramoff-written letter to Norton opposing Jena is signed and sent by Delay, Hastert, and Blunt. Griles tries hard to influence Norton within Interior. He is challenged by Michael Rosetti, Counsel at Interior, 'who did not want Norton's decision process on the Jenas influenced by "outside people".' Vitter tries to urge Interior to block Jena via language in Appropriations report.
    June 2002 - Team Abramoff lobbyists worked on behalf of the Saginaw Chippewa tribe in Michigan to secure a $3 million federal grant for school construction." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Abramoff_timeline

    "Of course, he is not the only lawmaker to go on trips that were paid for by others. This story tells of how members of both houses of Congress have problems with disclosure procedures:
    Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) wrote to the Federal Election Commission on April 15 to report that he had discovered that the Washington restaurant Signatures had not charged his credit card -- as he said he had directed -- for a 2003 fundraiser for 16 people that cost $1,846. The event was hosted by Jack Abramoff, a lobbyist and part-owner of the restaurant who is now under congressional and criminal investigation for his handling of millions of dollars in fees from Indian tribes. Abramoff was not at the event.

    [...]

    In another case, an aide to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) had not reported a 2004 trip to South Korea until a Washington Post reporter asked her office about it. Eddie Charmaine Manansala, Pelosi's special assistant on East Asian affairs, filed a disclosure form for the $9,087 trip a few hours after the newspaper's inquiry and sent a note to the ethics committee saying, "I did not know I was supposed to file these forms and I apologize for its lateness."" http://www.bloggledygook.com/bloggledygook/2005/04/tom_delay_is_no.html


    "Sen. David Vitter (R-LA)

    CONTRIBUTIONS — VITTER RECEIVED $6,000 FROM ABRAMOFF CLIENTS: "Vitter received $6,000 from Abramoff tribes from 1999 to 2001 and refunded it the day before he sent one of his letters to Norton in February 2002. He also used Abramoff's restaurant for a September 2003 fund-raiser but failed to reimburse for it until this year." [AP, 11/17/05 ]

    COUSHATTA CAMPAIGN — VITTER INSERTED LANGUAGE INTO BILL HELPING ABRAMOFF CLIENT: One of Abramoff's tribal clients, the Coushattas, "opposed a plan by the Jena Band of Choctaw Indians to open a casino at a non-reservation site, expected at the time to be outside Shreveport, La., not far from a casino owned by the Coushattas." Vitter "inserted language in the fiscal 2004 Interior appropriations bill — completed late in 2003 — requesting that the Bureau of Indian Affairs and the National Indian Gaming Commission deny an application from the Jena Choctaw Tribe of Louisiana for land for a gambling casino." To encourage him, Abramoff had hosted a September 2003 fundraiser at his restaurant, "just two months before Vitter inserted a provision in an Interior spending bill helping one of Abramoff's tribal clients [the Coushattas]." [Washington Post, 9/28/04; Roll Call, 3/16/05]" http://thinkprogress.org/abramoff-scandal


    "Sen David Vitter
    The Louisiana Jena Band of Choctaws offered testimony accusing Louisiana Sen. David Vitter of being in cahoots with Abramoff and his attempts to stymie the tribe's casino plans. [5]

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Abramoff-Reed_Indian_Gambling_Scandal

    Briefing :: Uzbekistan: Are There Prospects for Change? Print
    UNITED STATES COMMISSION ON SECURITY AND COOPERATION IN EUROPE (HELSINKI COMMISSION) HOLDS BRIEFING:
    UZBEKISTAN: ARE THERE PROSPECTS FOR CHANGE?JULY 25, 2006 COMMISSIONERS:
    U.S. SENATOR SAM BROWNBACK (R-KS) CHAIRMAN
    U.S. SENATOR GORDON H. SMITH (R-OR) U.S.
    SENATOR SAXBY CHAMBLISS (R-GA) U.S. SENATOR
    RICHARD BURR (R-NC)
    U.S. SENATOR DAVID
    VITTER (R-LA)


    http://tinyurl.com/2gwk6q

    THE GRIFTER FEST IS OVER SURPRISE SURPRISE!!!!! DUMP ALL THE EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF THE GRAND JURIES, LETS TAKE CARE OF VITTER FOR GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.criticalexponent.org/blog/2006/02/01/alberto-gonzales-lied-to-congress/ ALBERTO GONZALES LIED TO EVERYONE: BEGIN THE IMPEACHMENT & INDICTMENT OF ALBERTO GONZALES ONCE AND FOR ALL..... http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/inslee-impeachment/


    Ready to do something for America not yourself? Support American Whistleblower & Patriot Jeff Fisher. Order his official book first-draft. Learn the life of an American Whistleblower up close and learn how to save America. http://www.lulu.com/browse/preview.php?fCID=743942 All payments or proceeds go direct to support of Whistleblower Jeff Fisher, in his continued fight to expose the truth about Apartheid in Ultra Zionist Israel- its military control over "The Straights" Baypoint School & Growing Together programs which stole multiple elections. All financed by the American Turkish Council, who blew up our twin towers on September Eleventh.

    http://suzieqq.wordpress.com /2007/05/29/great-news-lets-impeach-cheney/

    *** CALL EVERYONE !!!!!! PASS THE RESOLUTION 333, POLL YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND ASK THEM TO CALL THEIR REPRESENTATIVE AS WELL. PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO YOUR LISTS.**
    *** CALL AND DEMAND H RES 589 IS VOTED ON IN THE HOUSE AND IMPEACH GONZALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hr110-417

    http://kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/documents.htm ***

    To All Delegates & Prosecutors as well as Media,

    Very interesting.......Boy oh boy, someone sure went to great lengths to cover this up. How many of us have learned by now what happens when we let the Church, or some organization get away with physical abuse & even murder for years and years???
    http://20-248-c.onlinestoragesolution.com/neversurrender/file(4).html

    http://20-248-c.onlinestoragesolution.com/neversurrender/sembler-italian-kelebekler.htm


    Another Mel Sembler school grounds bites the dust.........Que Mas?

    "Pastor accused of dragging girl behind his van
    A trainer also faces charges in incident at boot camp
    By JEORGE ZARAZUA San Antonio Express-news

    A San Antonio pastor and an employee of his Christian boot camp were arrested Friday on aggravated assault charges, accused of dragging a girl behind a van after she failed to keep up during a running exercise.

    Investigators with the Nueces County Sheriff's Office arrested Charles E. Flowers, 46, shortly before noon at the Faith Outreach Center in northwest San Antonio, said Brad E. Bailey, a spokesman for the Schertz Police Department.

    Bailey said boot camp trainer Stephanie Bassitt, 20, was later arrested without incident at her home in Kirby.

    Flowers and Bassitt each were being held on $100,000 bail at the Nueces County Jail in Corpus Christi.


    Girl alleges second assault
    Authorities said both Flowers and Bassitt restrained the girl June 12, tying her to the back of a van with a piece of rope before dragging her on her stomach at the Love Demonstrated Ministries' boot camp in Banquete, about 10 miles west of Corpus Christi.
    Schertz police assisted Nueces County authorities in the arrests because the camp's orientation sessions are held in Schertz, and the 15-year-old girl claimed she was assaulted there, too.

    Bailey said the second assault claim was turned over to the Comal County district attorney's office, which hasn't said if any criminal charges will result.

    He said the assault described as having occurred in Schertz isn't as severe as the dragging claim out of Nueces County.

    "Obviously force was used, but the big question is whether or not it exceeded the force permitted by the parents," Bailey said, adding camp officials said they had permission slips from parents that allowed them to discipline their children.

    Flowers declined to comment on the allegations Friday, evading reporters outside the offices of the Faith Outreach Center.


    Scrapes and bruises
    Authorities interviewed on Friday could not say how far the teenager was allegedly dragged. Her mother complained to authorities after boot camp personnel took her daughter to get treated for scrapes and bruises on her stomach, legs and arms.
    Flowers, a retired U.S. Air Force instructor, holds the title of commandant of the boot camp he has operated with his wife, Janice, since the mid-1990s, states the camp's Web site.

    The camp was created to "reinstill the values that have been lost in our society for a couple of generations, values such as discipline, morality, unity and integrity."


    Exempt from regulation
    Last year, Love Demonstrated Ministries reported private and government contributions totaling $314,673 to operate the boot camp, with nearly 89 percent of the costs, $278,549, going for salaries.
    Associate pastors at the Faith Outreach Center couldn't be reached for comment Friday.

    Patrick Crimmins, a spokesman for the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, said it "appeared that this operation is probably exempt from our regulation."

    He said for a camp to be licensed, it needed to operate longer than 11 weeks.

    The camp in Nueces County only lasts 32 days." http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/5045830.html

    Are Zionists involved too? Who could exempt such operations or criminal enterprise areas, where election fraud or worse has been performed, from REGULATION...??

    http://www.thestraights.com
    http://www.mediamax.com/onestopshot/Hosted/SEANLENNONEXPOSE.htm

    Who has that kind of authority and power, WHO???

    How many others are out there waltzing around?? And the real question is, which ones have yet to be DISCOVERED??? How many more days until we can get the REAL answers??

    "The operation reportedly involved sophisticated electronics developed by NSA contractor E-Systems of Greenville, Texas. E-Systems, owned by Raytheon, allegedly developed sophisticated systems to create electronic "holes" which would allow planes to cross the border without tripping aircraft warning systems. (See Chapter XX) E-Systems, a major intelligence contractor which allegedly has "wet-teams" (assassination teams), was directed by former NSA Director and CIA Deputy Director Bobby Ray Inman.[*]

    Other facilities were reportedly located at Mena, Arkansas, Fire Lakes, Nevada, Joppa, Missouri, and Iron Mountain, Texas, some guarded by Wackenhut.

    As researcher J. Orlin Grabbe writes:
    "The monetary logistics of this operation were overseen in part by Vince Foster of the Rose Law Firm, using the financial software resources of Systematics, Jackson Stephen's Little Rock software company. Vince Foster's "NSA connection" involved an extensive knowledge of the NPO's management of the flow of men and materials, money and drugs."

    As one pilot told Grabbe: "It was good money. They would pay $100,000 a flight. They would send out maybe eight planes at a time, and if only two of them got shot down, the operation would still be profitable. So there was some risk involved."[24]

    On February l9, l995, CBS "60 Minutes" did a story on the illegal C-l30 acquisitions and some of the activities in which these planes were engaged, including the transportation of drugs. The producer of the show, David Fitzpatrick, attempted to interview the manager of Aero Union, a proprietary airline in Chico, CA which had received a C-l30 and a P3-A from the Air Museum at El Toro. Fitzpatrick was denied the interview and was then informed that the "Justice" Department had ordered Aero Union to say nothing.

    "There were 37 C-130s," says Sabow. "Then there were about eight P-3 Oriens and several helicopters. And all of these planes went through the Department of Agriculture, Forestry Division, into the hands of Hemet Aviation. Hemet has I think seven of them. And then a couple of them ended up in Grayville, Wyoming, There's one up at Aero Union. I have the tail numbers of every one of them and know exactly where they all are - every one of them.

    "El Torro was the seat of operations for the hiring and disposition of these contract airlines to transport weapons and materiel," adds Sabow. "That was at the time when these little proprietary airlines were being placed and provisioned to carry out activities previously undertaken by Air America. And our investigations show that General J.K. Davis was one of the main architects of this."

    While Sabow claims he has no definite proof, he makes some interesting observations.

    "First of all, the C-130 aircraft swindle was hatched in the early '80s when General Davis was the Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps (1983 to 1986). And that was at the height of the activity in Iran-Contra. And being part of Marine Air, he had to at least be aware of these plans if not an active participant. I have no proof but I have been told that during that period, he was a member of the Joint Special Operations subgroup which was tasked to develop and coordinate clandestine military activities which would have included the C-130 plan...."
    At the time of his death, Colonel Sabow was Chief of Operations for Marine Corps Air, Western United States.

    "I'm talking about entire Marine Air," says Sabow. "Being in the position he was in, he had to be involved in covert activities... had to be. However, my brother was aware and probably participating in what he considered 'on the table,' approved covert activities."

    Dr. Sabow claims his brother had meetings with Oliver North on at least on three occasions in the late 80s, after Iran-Contra broke. North was in charge of the Joint Special Operations subgroup supplying weapons to the Contras.

    "My brother knew about the U.S. [illegally] supplying military materiel to the Latin Americans," says Sabow. "However he knew only about the north-to-south runs (weapons), but he found about the south-to-north runs (drugs), several days before he died.

    "One of the brains behind this, in the field, was Colonel Underwood," says Sabow. "Underwood was a significant operative of this whole business. Underwood was actually more powerful than General Adams - much more powerful! We've traced him and his activities from 1980 all the way up to this. He came on board in covert activities in '81-'82, and he became a friend of [former Panamanian President Manuel] Noriega, and was working, even back then with Noriega and others in South America, on a special assignment in the Marine Corps.[25] "

    http://www.beachnet.com/~hoffman/Sabow.html


    http://tinyurl.com/25r5cj http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2007/08/impeachment_the_conversation_c_1.html

    INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW..................

    http://www.criticalexponent.org/blog/2006/02/01/alberto-gonzales-lied-to-congress/ ALBERTO GONZALES LIED TO EVERYONE: BEGIN THE IMPEACHMENT & INDICTMENT OF ALBERTO GONZALES ONCE AND FOR ALL..... http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/inslee-impeachment/

    Ready to do something for America not yourself? Support American Whistleblower & Patriot Jeff Fisher. Order his official book first-draft. Learn the life of an American Whistleblower up close and learn how to save America in his unauthorized biography. http://www.lulu.com/browse/preview.php?fCID=743942 All payments or proceeds go direct to support of Whistleblower Jeff Fisher, in his continued fight to expose the truth about Apartheid in Ultra Zionist Israel- its military control over "The Straights" Baypoint School & Growing Together programs which stole multiple elections. All financed by the American Turkish Council, who blew up our twin towers on September Eleventh.

    http://suzieqq.wordpress.com /2007/05/29/great-news-lets-impeach-cheney/

    *** CALL EVERYONE !!!!!! PASS THE RESOLUTION 333, POLL YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND ASK THEM TO CALL THEIR REPRESENTATIVE AS WELL. PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO YOUR LISTS.**
    *** CALL AND DEMAND 589 IS VOTED ON IN THE HOUSE AND IMPEACH GONZALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*** http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/inslee-impeachment/

    http://kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/documents.htm ***


    Thank you Mike Gravel for Camp Democracy last year.

    Your advice of sticking to the facts and to God were so true.

    The War in Iraq
    Immediate and orderly withdrawal of troops followed by aggressive diplomacy. Read More about Senator Gravel's withdrawal plan.

    Iran
    Senator Gravel firmly opposes a military confrontation with Iran and advocates a diplomatic solution to the current situation.

    National Initiative for Democracy
    Empower Americans by giving us the mechanism––The National Ballot Initiative––to vote directly on issues which affect our daily lives. This power is similar to the initiatives used by citizens in 24 states and over 200 communities.

    A Fair Tax
    Eliminate the income tax and replace it with a progressive national sales tax - Fair Tax.

    Global Warming/Climate Change
    We must reduce America's carbon footprint in the world by passing legislation that caps emissions and improve energy efficiency while generating energy from low-carbon sources.

    Universal Healthcare Vouchers
    A National Health Care Voucher plan will provide health care for all Americans.

    Thank you Congressman Patrick Kennedy. Today I went to the Kennedy Center and cried. It was tears of joy because Rose KEnnedy was so good to me and I will be able to say that Camelot is returning to America very soon. God Bless the Kennedy family.

    Kennedy Supports "New Direction for Energy Independence, National Security, and Consumer Protection Act
    Friday, August 03, 2007

    Washington, DC – Congressman Patrick Kennedy voted in support of H.R. 3220, “The New Direction for Energy Independence, National Security, and Consumer Protection Act”, which is making good on its promise to increase America’s energy efficiency and independence while reducing global warming. This bill is the first phase of The New Direction Congress’ ambitious energy policy goals.

    Congressman Kennedy is a member of the House Natural Resources Committee and the Energy and Mineral Resources Subcommittee in particular. This Committee played a large part in drafting the bill. “This Act is a decisive step towards neutralizing America’s carbon footprint. Increased energy efficiency will create jobs and lower energy prices while addressing the growing issue of Global Warming. The act also contains provisions to decrease our dependence on foreign oil, which will significantly bolster national security.”

    By extending renewable energy tax credits and increasing funding for innovative research, this bill will produce consumer and business energy savings of $300 billion through 2030. The bill will maintain our progress in carbon capture and sequestration, while promoting clean energy exports to developing countries.

    Kennedy said, “By investing in homegrown biofuels and promoting energy smart mass transit we have a real opportunity to be carbon neutral by 2050. Instead of rewarding Big Oil, we must repeal their tax subsidies and use that money as an incentive for economic growth. Promoting clean energy and creating ‘green’ jobs is an innovative way to develop small business.”

    The New Direction for Energy Independence, National Security, and Consumer Protection Act is an investment in our future. The New Direction Congress is taking very real, very tangible steps towards reversing global warming, and improving the safety and security of our nation. America must lead by example, and show the world that efficient, green energy is a beneficial and attainable future.

    Thank You Ron Paul for helping me last year. You are a true American Patriot

    Congressman Ron Paul is the leading advocate for freedom in our nation’s capital. As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Dr. Paul tirelessly works for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies. He is known among his congressional colleagues and his constituents for his consistent voting record. Dr. Paul never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution.

    Thqank you Dennis for being my friend


    Supporting Documents for H Res 333


    Synopsis of Resolution

    Text of Resolution as Introduced in the House of Representatives

    Letter to Vice President Cheney

    Brief summary of impeachment procedure


    Supporting Documents for Article I


    Article I (1)(A): Transcripts of March 17, 2002 Press Conference by Vice President Dick Cheney and His Highness Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa, Crown Prince of Bahrain at Shaikh Hamad Palace.

    Article I (1)(B): Transcripts of March 19, 2002 Press Briefing by Vice President Dick Cheney and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in Jerusalem.

    Article I (1)(C): Transcripts of March 24, 2002 Wolf Blitzer interview of Vice President Cheney on CNN’s Late Edition.

    Article I (1)(D): Transcripts of May 19, 2002 Tim Russert interview with Vice President Cheney on NBC’s Meet the Press.

    Article I (1)(E): Speech of Vice President Cheney at VFW 103rd National Convention on August 26, 2002.

    Article I (1)(F & G): Transcripts of September 8, 2002 Tim Russert interview with Vice President Cheney on NBC’s Meet the Press.

    Article I (1)(H): Transcripts of March 16, 2003 Tim Russert interview with Vice President Cheney on NBC’s Meet the Press.

    Article I (2)(A): Pincus, Walter and Priest, Dana. “Some Iraq Analysts Felt Pressure From Cheney Visits.” Washington Post 5 June 2003: A01.

    Article I (2)(B): Hersh, Seymour M. “The Stovepipe.” The New Yorker 27 October 2003.

    Article I (3)(A): National Intelligence Estimate, October 1, 2002. pg. 9

    Article I (3)(B): National Intelligence Estimate, October 1, 2002. pg. 84

    Article I (3)(C): National Intelligence Estimate, October 1, 2002. pg. 9

    United States service member deaths: Department of Defense Casualty Report

    Iraqi civilian deaths: Lancet Report

    Cost of the war: CRS report RL33110

    Loss of military readiness: Korb, Lawrence. “A troop readiness crisis.” Boston Globe 11 April 2007.


    Supporting Documents for Article II


    Article II (1)(A): Speech of Vice President Cheney at the Air National Guard Senior Leadership Conference on December 2, 2002.

    Article II (1)(B): Speech of Vice President Cheney to 30th Political Action Conference in Arlington, Virginia on January 30, 2003.

    Article II (1)(C): Transcripts of March 16, 2003 Tim Russert interview with Vice President Cheney on NBC’s Meet the Press.

    Article II (1)(D): Transcripts of September 14, 2003 Tim Russert interview with Vice President Cheney on NBC’s Meet the Press.

    Article II (1)(E): Speech of Vice President Cheney at Bush-Cheney '04 Fundraiser in Iowa on October 3, 2003.

    Article II (1)(F): Speech of Vice President Cheney to the Heritage Foundation on October 10, 2003.

    Article II (1)(G): Hayes, Stephen. “Cheney v. Powell.” The Weekly Standard 13 January 2004.

    Article II (1)(H): Transcripts of January 22, 2004 Juan Williams interview with Vice President Cheney on NPR’s Morning Edition.

    Article II (1)(I): Transcripts of June 17, 2004 Gloria Borger interview with Vice President Cheney on CNBC’s Capital Report.

    Article II (2)(A): Waas, Murray. “Key Bush Intelligence Briefing Kept From Hill Panel.” National Journal 22 November 2005.

    Article II (2)(B): Jehl, Douglas. “Report Warned Bush Team About Intelligence Doubts.” New York Times 6 November 2005.

    Article II (2)(C): “Leaked Report Rejects Iraqi al-Qaeda link.” BBC News 5 February 2003.

    United States service member deaths: Department of Defense Casualty Report

    Iraqi civilian deaths: Lancet Report

    Cost of the war: CRS report RL33110

    Loss of military readiness: Korb, Lawrence. “A troop readiness crisis.” Boston Globe 11 April 2007.


    Supporting Documents for Article III


    Article III (1)(A): Speech of Vice President Cheney to American Israel Public Affairs Committee 2006 Policy Conference on March 7, 2006.

    Article III (1)(B): Transcripts of January 24, 2007 Wolf Blitzer interview with Vice President Cheney on CNN’s Situation Room.

    Article III (1)(C): Transcripts of January 28, 2007 Richard Wolffe interview with Vice President Cheney for Newsweek Magazine.

    Article III (1)(D): Transcripts of February 24, 2007 Press Briefing with Vice President Cheney and Australian Prime Minister in Sydney, Australia.

    Article III (2)(A): Transcripts of February 19, 2007 Daniel Dombey interview with Director General Mohamed ElBaradei for the Financial Times.

    Article III (2)(B): International Atomic Energy Agency Board of Governors Report, February 22, 2007.

    Article III (2)(C): Transcripts of February 19, 2007 Daniel Dombey interview with Director General Mohamed ElBaradei for the Financial Times.

    Article III (3)(A): Hirsh, Michael. “Hirsh: A Failed Shot at Peace with Iran?” Newsweek 8 February 2007.

    Article III (3)(B): Abramowitz, Michael. “Cheney Says U.S. Is Sending ‘Strong Signal’ to Iran.” Washington Post 29 January 2007: A02.

    Article III (3)(C): Hersh, Seymour M. “The Iran Plans.” The New Yorker 17 April 2006.

    Article III (3)(D): Londono, Ernest and al-Izzi, Saad. “Iraq Intensifies Efforts to Expel Iranian Group.” Washington Post 14 March 2007: A10.

    Article III (3)(E): Hersh, Seymour M. “The Iran Plans.” The New Yorker 17 April 2006.

    Article III (4)(A): Article VI of Constitution of the United States of America.

    Article III (4)(B): Chapter I, Article 2 of Charter of the United Nations

    Article III (4)(C): Chapter VII, Article 51 of Charter of the United Nations

    It's refreshing to see this is happening. Now I can contact Patrick J Fitzgerald and tell him that Jeff Fisher is ready to lower the big boom on Richard B Cheney. The American Turkish Council and its direct relationship with BayPoint School.

    Mr. Cheney, meet the man who will defend the absolute truth.

    I am going to have you placed in Shackles for so many crimes.

    I was very upset the other day when Judge Roberts got ill. I gave to his Chief of Staff key information about you and the ATC and its connection to BayPoint School. Did you try to poison the Chief Justice?

    When George went into surgery I prayed with many people in DuPont Circle that he would be OK. You are more evil than George could ever be and George is quite evil. Do me a favor. Tell Chertoff his days are finished along with Alberto Gonzalez and Karl Rove

    I am so glad that James Earl Carter and Gerald Ford gave me the added courage along with my true belief in Jesus Christ to never forget about the 35 dead black teenagers I saw photos of on July 27th, 2004 along with so much other evidence.

    Good night Richard.
    The days of your dictatorship are about to end.

    Please for added information and evidence to those who tried to cover this up the truth shall prevail click on my name link.

    http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/23436.php

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    What Jeff Fisher fights for as Secretary of Peace for Al Gore & Cynthia McKinney
    Jeff Fisher | 01.08.2007 21:39 | Indymedia | Iraq | Palestine | Birmingham | Scotland

    The truth is that I Jeff Fisher will be testifying against Vice President Richard B Cheney, Karl Rove, Alberto Gonzales and Michael Chertoff


    What Jeff Fisher fights for as Secretary of Peace for Al Gore and Cynthia McKinney
    Posted July 9th, 2007 by Jeff Fisher

    Mr. Gore

    Jeff Fisher is ready for you now in Washington DC

    The Book An American Patriot by Gary Koniz is the icing on the cake.
    Never judge a book by the cover, (its George Bush) the inside is dedicated to JFK.

    Remember Rose Kennedy was my pen pal from 1981-1983

    I never gave up sir. I only told the truth about Baypoint School and July 27th 2004 and December 8th 2004. I can not let down America and the world for the atrocities that Baypoint School is responsible for.

    Our Elections being manipulated and the truth behind 9-11.

    Jeff Fisher
    e-mail: jefffisherwashingtondc@yahoo.com

    Jeff Fisher
    e-mail: jjf_mlk@yahoo.fr

    To the Huffington Post
    Jeff Fisher | 28.07.2007 22:58 | Indymedia | Iraq | Palestine | London | World

    The truth must prevail and I Jeff Fisher will not let all those that have died due to 9-11 be forgotten about. BAYPOINT SCHOOL


    To the Huffington Post
    by Jeff Fisher Saturday July 28, 2007 at 02:52 PM
    jjf_mlk@yahoo.fr

    The truth must prevail and I Jeff Fisher will not let all those that have died due to 9-11 be forgotten about. BAYPOINT SCHOOL

    As U.S. Rebuilds, Iraq Won’t Act on Finished Work

    As U.S. Rebuilds, Iraq Won’t Act on Finished Work


    By JAMES GLANZ

    Published: July 28, 2007

    Iraq’s national government is refusing to take possession of thousands of American-financed reconstruction projects, forcing the United States either to hand them over to local Iraqis, who often lack the proper training and resources to keep the projects running, or commit new money to an effort that has already consumed billions of taxpayer dollars.

    I, Jeff Fisher have already spoken with the Iraqi Embassy last
    September 11th regarding peace in the region. I even wrote about it
    to get out of prison to Judge Alexander Williams. I read an email
    about 44 people that Hillary Clinton had taken part in getting eliminating.
    The problem was that Agent Hardin was attached to Ms. Clinton and I.
    Agent Hardin has been assigned to me since July 7th 2006.
    You see I am the Pro Life-Pro Peace Democrat who ran against
    the disgraced Congressman Mark Foley in 2004.

    I am the man who uncovered and exposed the absolute evidence regarding BayPoint School. However it has angered many people
    because it involves Zionists, American and Israeli. It also involves the Mossad and the British. What am I supposed to do? Be like all other
    politicians and lie about the truth. No Way!

    I want people to understand that if it was their family that had a child die at BayPoint School would they still want it to be covered up?

    I didn’t find out about Hillary Clinton’s direct involvement with BayPoint School from 1997 till early last year. I was endorsed by this woman in 2004.

    I am an honest man who writes peace plans. I have visited 44 embassies in the past ten days and now I have three, not two that
    are ready to boycott Israel on an International economic level.
    It does not have to happen but they are a police state just like our nation and Great Britain is.

    I am going to post here the evidence list again and pray that this time Huffington Post does not censure it again.

    Mr. Fitzgerald is getting tired of this. I have
    thousands of black families in Washington DC watching my progress and they will take
    to the streets. I am a man of peace but the death of 35 black teenagers that I had to see photos of rotting and decaying in a locked room
    somewhere on the premises of BayPoint School resides in my soul and memory forever. How can anyone tell me that is not an atrocity?
    Why do so many think its ok to kill innocent black kids for the name of stolen elections and 9-11?

    I asked that question at the Holocaust Museum earlier this week and 50% of the people replied that it’s not ok. 50%! WOW!

    I am at least partially happy that American Jews are seeing the light. My ex wife, who is a Zionist told me to leave BayPoint alone.

    Well I think that is wrong. My children were threatened but because they live in Palm Beach County they remain safe with their mother.

    Last night I met a nice Jewish student at the University of Maryland who was very concerned about the atrocities that Olmert is overseeing in Israel.

    I told him to pray and let me do my job of testifying against Vice President Richard B Cheney, Karl Rove, Michael Chertov
    and Alberto Gonzales regarding the direct connection of the American Turkish Council and BayPoint School.

    I look forward to serving the United States as its first Secretary of Peace under President Albert Arnold Gore Jr
    and Vice President Cynthia McKinney
    when Constitutional Crisis happens.

    Next year America will have elections done completely on paper so a true audit trail is established. It can be done.

    My friend Ron Paul is already facing censuring from the Zionist movement also. Are they going to go after all those who know the truth?

    My friend Dennis Kucinich is such a fine human being and so are Senator Edward Kennedy and Congressman Patrick Kennedy.

    In other words are you going to let this sadistic form of governing to continue and possibly destroy the Kennedy family more?

    Stop in the name of GOD. STOP THE KILLINGS.
    I uncovered the absolute truth and America can end the war ASAP and become a
    true Nation of Peace, Liberty, Equality and Prosperity for all.

    Israel has never ratified its constitution, 59 years and counting.

    Why? Zionism, not Democracy exists. I have had so many people say that they want me dead. Come to DC and show your face.

    I also have so many people praying for me to succeed for the sake of ending bloodshed.

    I will not go away and I am very visible in Washington DC. If you like I am very willing to speak very soon with the Israeli Embassy on neutral grounds.

    I prefer Starbucks.

    Click here to see evidence http://arkansas.indymedia.org/newswire/display/21054/index.php
    Now click her to see more
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2007/07/63166.php

    I have a clear conscious for telling the absolute truth.


    The Reach of War
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    The conclusions, detailed in a report released Friday by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, a federal oversight agency, include the finding that of 2,797 completed projects costing $5.8 billion, Iraq’s national government had, by the spring of this year, accepted only 435 projects valued at $501 million. Few transfers to Iraqi national government control have taken place since the current Iraqi government, which is frequently criticized for inaction on matters relating to the American intervention, took office in 2006.
    The United States often promotes the number of rebuilding projects, like power plants and hospitals, that have been completed in Iraq, citing them as signs of progress in a nation otherwise fraught with violence and political stalemate. But closer examination by the inspector general’s office, headed by Stuart W. Bowen Jr., has found that a number of individual projects are crumbling, abandoned or otherwise inoperative only months after the United States declared that they had been successfully completed. The United States always intended to hand over projects to the Iraqi government when they were completed.
    Although Mr. Bowen’s latest report is primarily a financial overview, he said in an interview that it raised serious questions on whether the problems his inspectors had found were much more widespread in the reconstruction program.
    The process of transferring projects to Iraq “worked for a while,” Mr. Bowen said. But then the new government took over and installed its finance minister, Bayan Jabr, who has been a continuing center of controversy in his various government posts and is formally in charge of the transfers.
    “After Mr. Jabr took over, that process ceased to function,” Mr. Bowen said.
    In fact, in the first two quarters of 2007, Mr. Bowen said, his inspectors found significant problems in all but 2 of the 12 projects they examined after the United States declared those projects completed.
    In one of the most recent cases, a $90 million project to overhaul two giant turbines at the Dora power plant in Baghdad failed after completion because employees at the plant did not know how to operate the turbines properly and the wrong fuel was used. The additional power is critically needed in Baghdad, where residents often have only a few hours of electricity a day.
    Because the Iraqi government will not formally accept projects like the refurbished turbines, the United States is “finding someone at the local level to handle the project, handing them the keys and saying, ‘Operate and maintain it,’ ” another official in the inspector general’s office said.
    If the pace of the American rebuilding program is a guide, those problems could quickly accelerate: So far, the United States has declared that $5.8 billion in American taxpayer-financed projects have been completed, but most of the rest of the projects within a $21 billion rebuilding program that Mr. Bowen examined in the report are expected to be finished by the end of this year. Some of that money is also being used to train and equip Iraqi security forces rather than finance construction projects.
    The report was released too late in the day to contact Mr. Jabr, who is part of a Shiite alliance in charge of the government. In his previous position as interior minister, he was accused of running Shiite death squads out of the ministry. In his current position he has developed a reputation as being slow to release budget money to Iraqi government entities, which would have to run the new projects at substantial expense.
    He is sometimes suspected of seeking to use his position to undermine the government of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, who is also a Shiite but answers to a different faction within the alliance. In interviews, Mr. Jabr has rejected those accusations and says he strongly supports the government.

    Jeff Fisher
    e-mail: jjf_mlk@yahoo.fr

    Who is Maria Cantwell?
    Robert Mak

    Reporter


    Former staff says she's smart, driven...but not warm and fuzzy.
    She went after Enron and saved Snohomish County ratepayers millions of dollars. She stared down Alaskan Senator Ted Stevens over drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Tackling issues from biodiesel to mad cow disease to tsunami warnings, Maria Cantwell is described by staff and friends as a incredibly hard working and well-studied on policy.
    But will voters give her another six years? Former Cantwell campaign staffer Mike Seely says without hesitation that he'll vote for her. But Seely and several ex-staffers describe a hard-driving candidate who at times comes off distant and lacking warmth. Let's be honest--politics is filled with candidates who may not have Cantwell's understanding of public policy, but can charm voters with a smile and a handshake. Political consultant Ron Dotzauer, a close friend of Cantwell, says she's actually quite reserved and shy--and not about to pretend she's someone she's not.

    All of this paints and interesting picture, but in the end, does the way Cantwell treats her staff or relates to voters affect her job performance? Ex-staffers say the turnover on Cantwell's staff does make a difference, but with issues like Iraq, social security and health care, is "warm and fuzzy" even a factor for you? With seven weeks before election day, where do you stand on the Senate race?



    KING 5 News Up Front with Robert Mak
    EVERY SUNDAY: THE ISSUES THAT MATTER
    KING-5 @ 9:30 a.m. KONG-TV @ 6:00 p.m. KREM-2 @ 6:30 p.m. NWCN @ 8:00 p.m.

    Posted by Robert Mak on September 23, 2006 11:52 PM | Permalink
    Comments
    We think that Maria Cantwell has been a warrior for the right causes.

    We abhor the candidacy of Mike McGavick who has a shady past, lied about it, is suported by the megabucks of Senator Stevens of Alaska whose record is blatantly into the prok barrel and indirect beneficiary of the freightening $8.5 TRILLION DOLAR deficit that THEIR Party caused. His latest campaign add suggests that Senator Cantwell is to blame for that awful deficit. How deceitful can you get?

    Mike McGavick claims to be super conscientious as depicted by an alleged responsible response to breaking a window when he was a kid. But as a DWI convicted adult he is breaking our window and blaming it on Maria Cantwell.

    Posted by: Al & Barbara Williams | September 24, 2006 06:54 AM

    In the TV ads for this candidate, there are numerous newspapre articles saying she is "urging", "proposing", "pursuing", etc different actions with the country. She has said she is looking into Port Security but why wasn't she attending the public announcement that Patty Murray had concerning the passage of a Port Security bill. It seems like a lot of re-election talk but little actual accomplishments. Will the truth come out on future shows???

    Posted by: Phil | October 5, 2006 02:33 PM

    From watching this show. I guess Mac is a Republican. He was rather harsh in dealing with this subject. At least Cantwell, has worked for the state in an area that is corupt and NOT dealing with the issues of th people.
    Cantwell has show that she works for the people and does her best with Murry to get items done for OUR State, and NOT do the Sit on Hands like Sen. GOrton.

    Posted by: D Hunt | October 5, 2006 04:52 PM

    Hard to believe any objective review of Cantwell's record would exclude the Dotzauer affairs, financial and personal. Is King 5 actively seeking the reopening of the Dotzauer files in Snohomish County Mr. Mak? A timely examination of those records could prove useful for the electorate don't you agree? Since the questions are not being actively asked of the Senator, reopening the records could prove valuable in examining the personal/professional relationship that allows Millions in tax dollars to be guided to clients of Mr. Dotzauer. Would that be the same Mr. Dotzauer that has appeared as certain local media outlets as an expert on lobbying ethics?

    Posted by: Cameron | October 8, 2006 10:51 AM

    Is Maria Cantwell still in the US Senate? Between 2001-June 2006, no one has seen her here in Washington State. She has been too busy raising money from lobbyists in DC (No money from pacs? HAH!! Let's see...she takes money from Clinton who took money from PACs...hmm...now where did that money come from?) How dumb does she think that we are? I guess dumb enough to vote her into congress and then into the senate (by a couple thousand votes that were tallied late by the King County election machine....)

    Even after 8 years as a federally-elected official, Maria still has no experience in DC. It is amazing, but true. She has done NOTHING for WASHINGTON STATE which is why Mike McGavick must be elected to represent us.


    PS As long as the election department continues to take three week vacations in the days before the election, people without any leadership qualities will continue to be elected by the sound-bite populous of Seattle...why does this matter? It perfectly demonstrates the entitlement mentality of our government. People in the public service sector must earn our trust and respect every day. They must be held to a very high standard for we have entrusted them with our futures, our hard-earned tax dollars, our protection and our way of life. The abuses in the King County elections office are endemic of a government that runs with impunity.

    Cantwell needs to be fired. Her 6-year review is in and she has done nothing that commands our vote.

    Vote the bum out.


    Posted by: Apollo | October 15, 2006 02:17 PM

    Time for a change. She voted against SB480 to
    raise the minimumm wage. Also, she voted against
    renewing our sales tax deduction (SB480) which
    is about $575 increase in your taxes for this year! That one is a done deal..More tax increases to come. You can count on it.


    Posted by: G Engyel | October 24, 2006 09:24 AM

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    Gary,

    Did you know that Jeff is the key person in the impeachment of President Bush? He has key information on Election Fraud. Maybe you need to contact Al Rogers. Call him and he will tell you more. 561-210-7042. I am in Berkely looking for him. No luck. I am very scared he has been killed for the information he has.

    Anne Jackie Watkins

    Gary Koniz greenskeeper6 wrote:Thanks dear Anne. I don't know what has happened to Mr. Fisher. I'm really worried about him. He sounded very disturbed over the phone. I don't understand why he has left his wife and children and went out there to Berkley, CA. Do you know? Why don't you give his wife a call at his home phone, 561-792-3521, or cell phone, 561-841-8966, and find out? If they are the same numbers as two years ago. I may call myself more so tomarrow. Your doing good, Anne, our Intelligence Coordinator at work.
    Your Friend,
    Gary

    Gary L. Koniz
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    —- On Sat 02/04, St. Lucie Dem stluciedem wrote:

    From: St. Lucie Dem [mailto: stluciedem (at) yahoo.com]
    To: greenskeeper6 (at) iwon.com
    Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:20:20 -0800 (PST)
    Subject: RE: FWD: [DIEHARDDEMS] Testing….I'm not getting ANY group mail…………..

    Why did we have to lose a good man? Why did Florida treat him so bad? Why is that the truth when talked about is forgotten? Jeff Fisher did that and now he may not be alive. I am in San Fransisco, I flew out here. I am writing from a cafe in Berkely. I am trying to find him. People know him, a lot of homeless people know him and when I went to Oakland and mentioned his name, hundreds of blacks came forward and told me about all the good things he has done for them in December and January. They are very scared that he is missing. They really wanted him to work with Al Sharpton, Patrick Kennedy, Howard Dean and the NAACP. They say he was missing piece of puzzle that our country needs to heal from poverty and racism.

    Please forward this letter to your contacts.

    Anne

    Day 2- Maria and I are in Berkley searching for clues to Mr. Fisher's disappearance. There are a number of people who know him and said they haven't seen him since last week.

    The two of us interviewed a man who lived in the shelter with him. His name is Harold. Harold told us that he witnessed Mr. Fisher being forced into a Mercedes last night on the corner of Addison and Martin Luther King Blvd around 2:00 in the morning.

    That is good and bad news. We asked him what he was doing out at that time. He told us he was no longer in the shelter and he was coming back from his girlfriend�s place.

    The good news is he is alive but who were these people that possibly abducted him.

    Harold told me us that he has been trying to call him on his cell phone but no one is answering. Maria has called the number and left a message for him to call.

    It�s not looking good at the present moment.

    If anyone out there wants his number, please contact us. If you pass Maria�s security checks, then you can have that information.

    Somebody or some group is doing something to stop Mr. Fisher.

    The message below was sent on February 2, 2006

    ————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-

    I just sent out another email and I get this.

    This is awful. Does anybody know where he could be hiding? I hope he isn't dead.

    John Carter

    jim_ford_jr wrote: To: TruthSeekersElection2004 (at) yahoogroups.com
    From: "jim_ford_jr"
    Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:31:27 -0000
    Subject: [TruthSeekersElection2004] Where is Jeff Fisher? IS HE DEAD or ALIVE?

    Since last Friday, nobody in New York has heard any more news on his evidence. I read his statement on Democrats.com and I wonder if he is still alive. The information and the people he protected may have led him to being killed or something else.

    I called the homeless shelter he is supposed to be in and asked if he was there. (510) 649-4980 They told me they don't give out information to anyone. They told me to call the payphone instead and ask for him. (510) 486-9143 I got some guy on the phone named Tom who said that Jeff left last week in a rush and was last seen on Friday. They said he looked well but very preoccupied.

    That letter on Democrats.com was very powerful and that might have been his demise. It's a shame he had to go to such extremes to protect twenty Americans.

    I still would like to know more about the threat of throwing acid on his companions' face at George Washington Hospital.

    The decision he made I don't think… I know! I could never have made to protect those individuals and not tell anyone. That must have drove him nuts.

    I wish more people was that loyal to each other. It must have been heartbreaking to see his companion leave him for another man.

    The only good thing about this is that we finally might get some closure or at least a new direction for our country.

    Does anyone have his phone #? If he is OK, he just might be hiding from the Feds. I hope he is safe and sound

    Does anyone know anymore information on his whereabouts?

    Jim Ford
    East Broadway
    NYC

    I have pasted the letter with my input added in bold print.

    DEMOCRATS MUST FIGHT ALITO TO STOP ELECTION FRAUD
    Submitted by Jeff Fisher Berkley on January 27, 2006 - 12:31pm

    I already have contacted the Democratic House Judiciary Committee and told them I would take a lie detector test regarding the information I didn't give them on December 8, 2004. (Someone needs to call Washington)

    Therefore I am going to post the letter I sent out last week with revisions that has people in Washington D.C. nervous.

    My name is Jeff Fisher. I am the Democrat that obtained election fraud information on September 27, 2004 from Sean Lennon regarding Bay PointSchool in 1999, 2000 and 2002. I also obtained hard copy information on individuals who were involved in the financing, programming and manipulation of Elections in 2000, 2002 and 2004.

    The information I did obtained contained among other things, an offshore bank account that linked payment to sabotaging a plane with a very important U.S. Senator on board with his family. (That has to be Paul Wellstone, that kind of information will get you killed)

    Many people are wondering why I didn't reveal this information back in 2004.

    Well I was going to until I received a threatening phone call on Dec.8th, 2004 prior to the public comment after the Ohio Judiciary Hearing regarding the mishaps in Ohio on Election Day throughout many black communities.

    The threat was very real. I was told (via a blocked phone call to my cell, this is additional information that I didn't explain earlier last week. I humbly apologize to all of those who read my message and wondered who ordered me to follow their directions or else) to exit the room and stand out in the hallway.

    Then I was told to look at a white man dressed in a suit. That man opened up his right side of his coat jacket to reveal he had three firearms. At that moment the caller began to name off names of individuals who would be harmed. (That male caller said "harmed,terminated, our choice").(Shit, that is Scary)(Again I apologize for not putting that in the original message) within the next week if I revealed any damaging information to the Committee or if I were to give them a statement afterwards.

    That is why I was acting in such a bad manner when I finally spoke.

    If you remembered I screamed at Congressman John Conyers and Congressman Barney Frank.

    What's ironic is that both of these men endorsed me in my congressional race. (Again I apologize for not putting that in the original message)
    The first person he, (the caller) named off was my traveling companion, whom I never told this about.

    I instead had to live a life of hiding a threatening and possibly fatal secret for the next 13 months where she and the nineteen others were not aware of this situation. (That's dedication, which takes balls)You see, I fell deeply in love with this person and in the process was blacklisted from getting any form of employment which lead to that person leaving me for another man.

    IF I HAD TO DO IT OVER AGAIN,I WOULD DO THE SAME THING.

    Her life and the nineteen others took precedent over anything else.
    ( I only wish more people were this caring for his fellowman)

    The next two people he named were part of Verified Voting, and then he named three people on my campaign staff.

    The list also contained the name of my daughter, whom I miss dearly but I can not jeopardize her life either.

    I will not give out any more information on the rest because it took a year to alienate myself from them, to create bitterness toward me so they could live out their lives in peace.

    Back to my true friend, that I withheld information from for their protection, I am now telling more about how our own government treats its own citizens. (I can never be in touch with her again, her life is in jeopardy if I do so. I love her as if she was Mother Nature herself.) (WOW, this guy is really in love)This is not a tangent. I am posting my message because this Administration will destroy, damage, harm anyone who opposes it, big or small.

    New information: I never told my friend about being confronted on December 14, 2004 by two FBI agents in a bookstore in Georgetown. These agents showed me their badges and informed me that I said things at the protest in Lafayette Park that were not acceptable to the Administration. They also informed me that they knew I withheld information from Jeff Fativa in the West Palm Beach FBI office the previous month. They then gave me a stern warning that I should remain quiet and not talk anymore, especially to anyone in the Party
    .
    Well, I didn't take their advice. I did talk to DNC General Counsel,Joe Sandler and had a drink with him. The following day I was rushed to George Washington Hospital because I couldn't move anything on my leftside of my body. They diagnosed me with experiencing Todd's Paralysis.It took three days to recuperate. (Somebody call the hospital to verify this)

    I couldn't say anything to my friend or Joe Sandler or anyone on my campaign staff because of the threats I received. More importantly,while I was in the emergency room, a stranger (male) came into the room and told me quietly that I should keep quiet or my friend (he said hername) would have acid thrown on her face. (Holy Shit! These people are Bastards)I was on my side and unable to see the individual, all I could hear was his deep voice and smell garlic from his breath. If you are askingwhere was she? She was out in the hallway (I found this out later)talking to some ill person and giving them comfort.

    Many people on the net want me to come out with the information all at once. (Additional note: Some people have contacted me from the media and told me that my personal life needs to be kept private. Well, I ran my congressional race in 2004 by being transparent so the people could know the real man and what America and the people he wanted to represent were all about. I wear my heart and soul on my sleeve.)(A Congressman represents his District, his State and his Country)(Again another apology to those who received my letter earlier last week)

    Some of the people who claim to be fighting for Election Reform on the Internet are not really patriots. One of them poses as one but has been know for bombing federal facilities. (Call Homeland Security, oh yeah, they won't do anything, he's a Democrat) know who that person is. I met him on December 8th in the hall an hour before I received my life changing phone call.

    Additional note: The bomber has contacted me via another person and then directly, both via email stating that he wasn't the bomber. I smoked him out, yet he prevails on the Internet. He continues to play both sides and is a grave danger to all Americans who want to see Justice prevail. This man even gave me vital information about how they were going to discredit me, specifically because they had turned my original campaign web-site into a pornographic site. I investigated that and contacted the company that managed it; they are in San Francisco, ironic that I ended up in the Bay area. I must have a truehigher power, I am not like George Bush, so get it straight, Democrats can believe in God too.

    Back to the point of the matter, I spent one hour on my cell phone with this company informing them that my name was being slandered and libeled and that because I was a federal candidate in 2004, I would be in contact with the FBI. I also told them that my phone is being constantly monitored by the Secret Service.

    They shut down the pathway within the hour so it can no longer be directed toward that pornographic nonsense. (That takes some very excellent phone skills, where did he learn that?)

    The pressure of knowing this information has taken its toll on me. My year has been great at times and horrible at times, but the main constant denominator is that I only want America to know the truth and have our Constitution obeyed, respected and loved by those that we vote to represent us.

    I have not and will not take money for this cause. I am about the lawof the land, not the greed that has temporarily kidnapped the law and her lawmakers.
    (I hope he takes donations in small amounts, at least to survive, it's rare in politics see someone turn down money)

    Sincerely,
    Jeff Fisher
    2004 Democratic Congressional Candidate Fl-16
    An American who will fight and defend the Constitution till my last breath
    (I hope that hasn't taken place…. God forbid)

    (Notify the newspapers, television stations and radio stations in California and somebody locate a recent photograph of him and distribute it.)

    Gary Koniz wrote: Annie,
    I just got in a call on my voice messages last night from Mr. Fisher. He sounded distressed and said he was in California and that he needed my help. Do you have any idea what this is about. Write me.
    Gary Koniz

    Gary L. Koniz
    #815, 9480 Princeton Square Blvd. S. Jacksonville, FL 32256-8310
    (904) 730-2055
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    —- On Wed 02/01, St. Lucie Dem stluciedem wrote:

    From: St. Lucie Dem [mailto: stluciedem (at) yahoo.com]
    To: CitizensAgainstBush (at) yahoogroups.com, DeanSupportsKerry (at) yahoogroups.com, Dem-NY-Manhattan-Bronx (at) yahoogroups.com, Democrat (at) yahoogroups.com, Democratic-Victory-Network (at) yahoogroups.com, democratsunited (at) yahoogroups.com, demogreens (at) yahoogroups.com, georgebushsucksin2000 (at) yahoogroups.com
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    Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:37:51 -0800 (PST)
    Subject: FWD: [DIEHARDDEMS] Testing….I'm not getting ANY group mail…………..

    Back in Late November of 04, Yahoo shut
    down a lot of yahoo groups that were making
    too much political noise. Back then it was
    all the sites that were on Election Fraud.
    They sometimes even infiltrated some of those
    sites and changed passwords.

    This is not a conspiracy theory. Its a fact.
    It happened to Election Fraud 2004 yahoo group
    and anyone who moderated any yahoo groups
    that were associated with Jeff Fisher.

    Mr. Fisher has been in the news lately.
    Just yesterday he gave out some vital information
    with names using a yahoo account. Yahoo has
    been monitoring people for the past year.

    My opinion gives thanks to our spineless
    Democrats in Washington, for allowing the
    Patriot Act to get its teeth into our necks
    like a vampire.

    Maybe its time for everyone to tell Jeff,
    who is still fighting for the right cause.
    GIVE UP-THE DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS
    AND THE SENATE (19) ARE COWARDS.

    THEY DIDN'T FILLIBUSTER ALITO.
    THEY DIDN'T STOP THE WAR,
    THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS ELECTION FRAUD.

    WITH PEOPLE LIKE CONGRESSMAN TOM FEENEY ON THE
    HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

    (Jeff Fisher gave to the FBI in November of 04 at their
    West Palm Beach officeTom Feeney's name along with
    Mel Sembler, Clint Curtis and Sean Lennon regarding
    the 2000,2002 and 2004 election)

    I know this because his witness at that event, Al Rogers
    and a writer for the Chicago Tribune confirmed it with me.

    We all know Jeff is in San Francisco,
    maybe he should just run against Nancy Pelosi.
    Yes he would lose, Jeff lost against Mark Foley in Florida

    The reason he should run is that Jeff is a very bold, brave
    and outspoken person, like the late Martin Luther King Jr.

    Jeff causes a stir every time he talks just like Malcolm X.

    Jeff has the perseverance of fighting
    for justice and civil rights like Bobby Kennedy.

    Jeff and Cindy Sheehan are made from the same kind of leather.
    I HOPE AND PRAY THAT THE TWO OF THEM LIVE TO SEE
    THEIR EFFORTS COME TO FRUITION

    P.S.

    I have three reliable sources in Washington D.C.
    and in Boston that confirmed to me that Jeff Fisher
    was calling all day Monday to Senate offices and
    speaking with their Chief of Staffs. I also know that
    his cell number is in the hands of Senator John Kerry,
    Senator Edward Kennedy and Senator Bill Nelson
    along with Congressman Patrick Kennedy.

    By keeping on our elected officials heals, Mr. Fisher
    has been doing his job of being a watchdog.
    (What is interesting is that Jeff tells it like it is,
    Monday he was telling the Democrats how Bill Nelson
    knew about thefraud that was going to take place in 2004.)

    Bill and Jeff met in Stuart, Florida at a Democratic
    Function where the Senator was the main attraction.
    Jeff spoke with the Senator in private in the parking
    lot outside of the event.

    This was in September of 04.
    BEFORE THE ELECTION!!!

    The two of them had a conversation for about five to ten
    minutes alone, and out of earshot. Jeff presented to the
    Senator some of the evidence that he acquired in late July.
    This was evidence linking Bay Point School and Joseph Klock
    on the manipulation of the 2000 Presidential Election in
    Florida, the 2002 Democratic Gubernatorial Primary in
    Florida and the upcoming 2004 General Election. He also
    presented two names that were associated with the banking
    industry that had been funding Joseph Klock at the school for maintaining training in Florida and Louisiana. The Senator
    told Jeff that he wasn�t going to address this issue because
    Florida had just experienced another hurricane and he instead
    would be flying to El Salvador.

    NO WONDER NOTHING EVER GETS DONE.
    OUR OWN HEROS IGNORE THE FACTS.

    BILL NELSON WILL GET RE-ELECTED THIS YEAR

    WHO WOULD VOTE FOR KATHERINE HARRIS?

    WHO WOULD VOTE FOR MARK FOLEY?

    KATHERINE HARRIS IS REMEMBERED FOR THE 2000 ELECTION
    AND HOW SHE MISTREATED JAN SCHNEIDER IN 2002 AND 2004.

    MARK FOLEY IS SMOOTH BUT ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
    FIRST OF ALL A GAY REPUBLICAN IN THE U.S. SENATE.

    RICK SANTURUM WOULD HAVE A FIT.

    MARK IS TESTING THE WATERS LIKE HE DID IN 04 TO GET
    MORE MONEY TO TRANSFER BACK TO HIS
    CONGRESSIONAL ELECTION COFFERS.

    I am stating facts. I�m a lesbian.

    Jeff was the only straight politician who visited gay establishments and worked for their causes in Palm Beach and St. Lucie County.

    Anne Watkins

    Some links that the press is ignoring on the East Coast
    Thank God for California being more liberal

    tribes.tribe.net/
    democraticsocialists/thread/9943ad68-1d81-4b7b-bf4d-deeafbf66e0f#c09723b5-fcc3-48ae-8930-a231cdb3cb1d

    www.democrats.com/alito-8

    www.democraticunderground.com/
    discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=411232&mesg_id=411294


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    Re: The Jeff Fisher FilesCurrent rating: 0
    17 Nov 2006
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    Why is the press not covering this?

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    thejefffisherfiles.blogspot.com

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    Keep guessing.

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    I am still in California. Since Mr. Fisher was found I decided to stay and enjoy the weather. Jeff has gone into some safe house for whistleblowers but I got to see him in action in getting a crowd into ending the Iraq War.

    To me he is cute. I may be a lesbian but I still think he is cuter than Mark Foley or Barney Frank.

    I have a photo of him. You decide.

    Love for Sarah,
    Anne Jackie Watkins

    Now to the letter I received from Jim Ford

    Forward from Jim Ford

    Its nice to know that some democrats are still fighting to stop the Iraq War. What is interesting is that the federal government wants this person for knowing too much about the 2000 election.

    Our research has revealed that Mr. Fisher has friends with close contacts with the Gore family. Al Gore's late mother's personal doctor, Dr. Rick Margolis. Our research has revealed that Mrs. Gore’s doctor took him care of last year in Los Angeles, San Diego and San Francisco.

    Mr. Fisher is reported to be giving further evidence on the 2000 election to high-ranking democrats in the California and Ohio legislature. If this is true then we should collectively encourage Mr. Fisher to keep up the fight. It has been verified that he did call a radio station in Florida and that he was put in harms way recently. It is also known that he is still in California, where is the question? Its time to get Finstein and Boxer interested in this Californian Democrat.

    Some files on Mr. Fisher from 2003

    web.archive.org/web/20030921122010/http://www.walkingwithfisher.com/

    web.archive.org/web/20031016151412/http://www.walkingwithfisher.com/

    web.archive.org/web/20031025110442/http://www.walkingwithfisher.com/

    Where can I get a copy of the second interview with Nichols and Fein? I missed it last nite!
    thank you...
    melanie chartoff
    la

    June 17, 2006
    The Bear Ad
    It's telling that Lieberman's already gone negative on Lamont. It's also telling that his ad looks like it was created on one of those talking storybook programs I had as a kid. This, I guess, is what happens when incumbents are caught napping. And man, to approve a spot this amateurish, ol' Joe must be fast asleep...

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    "I guess, is what happens when incumbents are caught napping. And man, to approve a spot this amateurish, ol' Joe must be fast asleep..."

    While I understand you're just mimicking the CW through the lefty blogosphere, this is a spot on illustration of cocoon-think wish fulfillment.

    Because we disdain Bush's Iraq policy, we don't understand how his trip to Iraq could make good video for the average voter. Because we're supporting Lamont, we think the Lieberman ad is not effective.

    But it's actually a pretty effective ad, if you look at it from the Lieberman perspective. The audience is non-upscale Dems who aren't enamored with the more upscale appeal of Weicker - and those are the exact folks Lieberman needs to bring home if he's to win the primary. Upscale Dems are already going to vote Lamont over the war.

    Confusion of desired outcomes with political effectiveness is a departure from reality-based thinking that is bad for getting results. In reality, it's actually a quite good ad for someone you simply don't support.

    -----

    "It's telling that Lieberman's already gone negative on Lamont."

    Quite true. He's in a very tough fight in the primary, and his best chance for success lies in making the race ugly. He'd lose a more polite race.


    -----

    And finally, I'll continue my lonely quest in the lefty blogosphere to tell Connecticut Dems to vote for Lieberman.

    I've never liked Holy Joe. He was one of my least favorite Democratic Senators long before the Iraq war. But the efforts to punish Lieberman over the war are bad news 17 different ways to Tuesday.

    The anti-Lieberman crusade is the stupidest crusade since Iraq. Both feel good for their supporters while the troops are marching in and the bands are playing, and both are strategically disastrous going forward.

    A big tent party is going to have people in the tent we're not fond of. But being a big tent is how we get to govern. And a successful effort to push Lieberman out of the party will be disastrous for the efforts to build a big tent party.

    Vote for the douchebag. Politics ain't about self-expression.

    Posted by: Petey | Jun 18, 2006 2:24:15 AM

    Petey, at some point a Democrat starts doing more harm than good to the party. There are SLEWS of Dems who voted for the war; most of them AREN'T being targeted in primaries, because most of them aren't willing to stab the party in the back for the sake of getting face time on Fox news.

    I appreciate the big tent, I understand that trying to enforece rigid orthodoxy is counterproductive. But can we at least enforce the idea that actively running interference for the opposition will not be tolerated?

    Lieberman has carried water for Bush on everything from the war to wiretaps to SS reform, ever-ready to provide the right-wing noise machine with a quote to prove that "democrats aren't united." What more would he have to do before challenging him in the primary is acceptable?

    Posted by: Kylroy | Jun 18, 2006 8:04:30 AM

    Heh -- Petey, Weicker hasn't been around for 12 years. Lamont is supposed to be a liberal. The ad is just silly.

    Posted by: Ezra | Jun 18, 2006 8:43:13 AM

    "Weicker hasn't been around for 12 years. Lamont is supposed to be a liberal. The ad is just silly."

    I agree with you that the ad is silly.

    Where I differ with you is that I think the ad is effective.

    Pop culture is decided by under 30 y.o.'s. Elections are decided by over 30 y.o.'s. And the over 30 y.o.'s will remember Weicker. The folks who the ad is trying to reach will understand what is meant by its attempt to link Lamont to the Weicker brand.

    Posted by: Petey | Jun 18, 2006 8:59:08 AM

    "What more would he have to do before challenging him in the primary is acceptable?"

    Like said, I've never liked Holy Joe. If this were about passing judgment on Lieberman in a vacuum, I'd likely find him guilty. And I'd do so even though his overall voting record is perfectly acceptable.

    But this isn't (or at least, shouldn't be) about judging Lieberman. It should be about the best interests of the Democratic Party and about the best interests of the left in America. And on those grounds, I'd vote early and often for Lieberman if I were a Nutmegger.

    "There are SLEWS of Dems who voted for the war; most of them AREN'T being targeted in primaries"

    Most of the Democrats who "voted for the war" didn't vote for the war. They voted for getting weapons inspectors back into Iraq by threat of force. Unlike most Democrats, Joe actually supported the war - he was a straight up regime change advocate. And he's continued supporting the war.

    That's why this primary is happening. I think that's pretty clear.

    Posted by: Petey | Jun 18, 2006 9:04:52 AM

    Matt Stoller has an interesting piece on this.
    http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/6/17/113759/317

    Posted by: opit | Jun 18, 2006 9:57:10 AM

    Petey, generally you say sensible things. This isn't one of those.

    Forget the Iraq War support. Holy Joe attacks the Dems using the same talking points as BushCo, more than implying that Dems are BFF with the terrorists.

    Joe is on Faux News constantly, talking the Neo-Con line. He is of the same quality as Zoe Miller was - a convenient and frequently used shill for the righties.

    He was one of the enablers of the Alito SCOTUS confirmation: voting for ending the filibuster (and then voting against Alito). But the filibuster vote was the key vote, not the final vote - and this is typical of Joe's history.

    How about Joe's actions in regard to hospitals and abortions when a rape occurs?

    This isn't a party unity issue. Joe has joined the opposition in a highly partisan atmosphere, and he's hurting the party.

    Look into Ned's positions. He's worthy of support from all progressive Dems. Joe is not.

    Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Jun 18, 2006 10:58:22 AM

    "He is of the same quality as Zoe Miller"

    Zell Miller is a lousy analogy because Zell mostly voted with the R's while Joe mostly votes with the D's.

    Joe is basically our version of Chuck Hagel. Just like Hagel, he says lots of things that the other party loves, but he ends up voting with his own party.

    Posted by: Petey | Jun 18, 2006 11:41:42 AM

    To every reporter at the New York Times.
    This news affects everyone
    Long Live the First Amendment
    Hello Foreign Press
    Please pass the truth around the planet

    contact: (212)603-3702
    National Action Network
    http://www.nationalactionnetwork.net/


    Dear Reverend Sharpton,

    My code name is Seymour J Hersh. My research team and I work in McLean, Virginia. Our job is Internet political research.

    We do this work on contract for different intelligence agencies. Naval Intelligence out of Marina Del Ray, California, which monitors us like everyone else on the Internet are located at 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330. The postal code is 90292-6695.

    The NIA uses several DNS addresses but the common denominators are that they list themselves as the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA).

    We all of course use an alias to protect our families and ourselves. It’s very dangerous and quite interesting also.

    We like them have the ability to cloak our IP addresses and to even make it appear to come from someone else’s computer. That is an easy procedure to accomplish since the Clinton Administration used this knowledge to infiltrate the activities of Slobadan Milošević (Слободан Милошевић) regarding the genocide that led to the Kosovo War in 1999. You of course know this since you ran for the U.S. Presidency in 2004. It was part of your briefing by the Secret Service.

    We get to travel a lot because of Mr. Jeff Fisher, our assignment, for he moves all over the United States to escape the Mossad that has a contract on him. That contract which has a price of $25,000,000 was placed by the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee on December 8, 2004 which has kept this man running and in turn having justice delayed on the impeachment of President George W. Bush.

    Recently the AIPAC has been going into full denial of this publicly. It’s very much out of character for the second largest lobbying group in the United States to do this unless as our psychological researchers have figured out that AIPAC is involved in the Election Fraud.

    Recently the Special Counsel regarding Jeff Fisher’s evidence on election fraud has finally been approved. We were informed that there was information on him in sites dedicated to you. We discovered that was true. There is even a blog site up online for Mr. Fisher that is closely watched by the Special Counsel and the Central Intelligence Agency due to the evidence, which is being made public at this time. That can be reached at http://www.NoMoreFraud.blogspot.com

    Our teams of researchers are now trying to piece your involvement with our information. This is so we may come to a better understanding of why Mr. Fisher released classified information on a standing (unrecorded) order by the CIA regarding that no African American can ever reach the elected position of the Executive Branch.

    We all know that George W. Bush first had chosen Colin Powell to be his Vice Presidential running mate but that his father, George H. Bush informed him of the unwritten order that he maintained when he was the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

    We have questions that we would like to have answered from you too.

    We are writing this open letter on the Internet because this type of conspiracy must be exposed not through standard channels. The media is part of the conspiracy and the Internet is mainly still an open channel to get the facts out to other intelligence agents and to several thousand proud patriots in our nation and throughout Europe, Asia, Africa (including the Middle East) and Australia.

    This is proof that the media is covering up the conspiracy. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/43?l=1

    The internal url is of a screenshot of an audit log from Florida’s 2004 election showing a very strange wave pattern that matches programming done by Dr. Piotr Blass, Sean S. Lennon, Mike Razar and Clint Curtis. That url is http://tinyurl.com/mb3a6

    http://www.geocities.com/supercoolindude/votesnodates.jpg

    There are many more being investigated by the team Mr. Fisher assembled and from another unit that started this research prior to Mr. Fisher arriving on the scene. These teams are working in a cohesive manner unlike Bev Harris from Black Box Voting whom continues to dismiss Mr. Fisher’s hard evidence and Mr. Fisher being an eyewitness to all of this.

    Mr. Fisher is not after the limelight like Bev Harris who has video cameras follow her every step including when she raids meetings that election official are at. Then to top that off she attempts to sell these tapes to give her added income.

    Mr. Fisher has done just the opposite and it has harmed his health considerable but he kept his integrity intact. That is admirable and very rare in today’s society. Her actions are the characteristics of a wannabe.

    This is a link that Al Rogers plays the role of being two posters and trying to promote BradBlog.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/49?l=1

    Brad Friedman and Bev Harris have done everything possible to discredit Jeff Fisher. Mr. Fisher has spoken with Mr. Friedman on the phone this year and Mr. Friedman will not let Mr. Fisher even post his proof on his website. He has filtered out his name. There are screenshots of posts recently done on Bradblog to prove of this censorship of continuing the coverup of the election/neoncon/zionist conspiracy.

    Rev. Sharpton, Mr. Rogers posted under the name of Jim Ford names and phone numbers of people that are in the Witness Protection Act and the list of protected ones that Jeff Fisher sent to Jazmine for you to keep secured.

    I will send that to later if you want to see that proof.

    Please sir, help Mr. Fisher. You both have been stabbed in Brooklyn. Just like you he fights for truth, equality and justice for all Americans, especially African Americans, this man received a personal blessing from Martin Luther King Jr in 1966. He was only five years old.

    First question: Do you know Jeff Fisher?
    Second Question: Do you or your staff receive any phone calls/emails from Jeff Fisher?
    Third Question: Who on your campaign staff knows Jeff Fisher?
    Fourth question: Was Jeff Fisher present at a luncheon with you in Beverly Hills in May of 2005?
    Fifth question: Did Jeff Fisher ever try to visit you in your condo in Manhattan?
    Sixth question: Does Jeff Fisher know your neighbor who has an interesting relationship with organized crime?

    Your neighbour and his co-workers are not under investigation due to Mr. Fisher placing a formal request to the Department of Justice to leave them alone.

    That request is being honoured because of Mr. Fisher’s “Intel” work that he was forced, (medically tortured) to do from 1983 to 1986 for the CIA and MI6 (SIS) under the protection of “The Official Secrets Act” Mr. Fisher was adamant about this and told the Department of Justice to investigate the real criminals who are dealing in Drugs, Slavery, Child Pornography and their direct connection to election fraud. That of course is the Florida sector of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Division Five.

    That division is one of the main reasons that the RICCO Laws were enacted. To have organized crime figures imprisoned along with their attorneys so the US Government could go into business instead to ensure that Zionism (not Judaism) would continue in the United States, Israel and throughout the free world.

    Mr. Fisher is always saying, “Respect Received is Respect Earned”. We all agree with him on that. His past has been verified to be clean of any wrong doings. He just has connections and friendships with members of the Genovese Family from Appalachian, New York and Providence, Rhode Island and to important people in Sicily. He also has friends in Philadelphia, Miami, Las Vegas and Monte Carlo that have all told us that he is an honest, reliable, law abiding and god fearing man that they respect always.

    To educate the world about the MAFIA, one should read what Mr. Fisher had written back in high school about the true history of the Sicilian families that started the mafia in the late 13th century. Write to me and I will send you his excellent, short, concise and truthful statements about the Sicilian mafia. This writing explains the character of this brave patriot and why the real mafia (our governments) is in fear of him. They don’t want the citizens to know the truth.

    Mr. Fisher is always about the truth. That is what a messenger of god’s words are all about. Don’t you agree Reverend Sharpton? That is what we as Christians are supposed to do in our daily lives and not just on Sunday, are we in agreement with that too Reverend Sharpton?

    The letters we found posted on the Internet are very positive regarding you and Congressman Patrick Kennedy. What is so interesting is that Mr. Fisher recently tried to make contact with Robert Kennedy regarding the elections and Mr. Kennedy’s Florida staffers, led by Farron Cousins will not relay that important information to Robert Kennedy.

    Mr. Fisher has recently been published in several INDY MEDIA websites regarding reaching Robert Kennedy. I am enclosing these links for you along with the links to the alsharpton2004@yahoogroups.com web group.

    http://www.binghamtonpmc.org/newswire/display/2123/index.php
    http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/163839.php
    http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/164074.php

    So our next question is this. Why would Robert Kennedy’s staff ignore Jeff Fisher since he has evidence and a deep appreciation of you and Congressman Patrick Kennedy?

    Just yesterday we were monitoring his phone calls from a law office in Los Angeles and learned that he, along with one of the protected ones that you know about was threatened (death) by attorney Bruce Cutler at Bobby Van’s Steakhouse at 230 Park Avenue and 46th Street at approximately 8:30 P.M. on January 31, 2005.

    Mr. Fisher was demanding that Bruce Cutler protect his client properly instead of just taking his money, calling his client a weasel to the consigliore of the mob and basking in the limelight along with a statement from Mr. Cutler admitting freely that his mentor, Bobby Simone, he didn’t give a rat #*#& about and that he could rot in hell for all he cared.

    Mr. Cutler is now under investigation by the Department of Justice for this also. His client, Phil Spector we believe is innocent and that his other attorney, Roger Rosen should be in charge of this case. Mr. Fisher was in contact with a private investigator by the name of Dale Kelly telling him all about the threat on his life and Phil’s ex fiancée for knowing too much. Mr. Fisher defended Mr. Spector because he believes in his innocence like he has proven in the past on so many other issues. Mr. Kelly can be contacted at 626-799-1607 for verification of this phone call.

    Robert Shapiro should be notified of this also for Mr. Spector needs his help again very much. Mr. Cutler is what they call a wannabe. The only reason he is famous is because his mentor, Robert F.Simone made him shine in the courtroom by giving him cue cards when it was necessary.

    Robert F.Simone, along with Robert Shapiro, Willie Brown and Roger Rosen are the best criminal attorneys to have Phil Spector remain free and proven of his innocence.

    To prove beyond a doubt of Mr. Fisher’s loyalty toward someone’s life he has also reported to the Department of Justice that Robert Trent Jones Jr has threatened to hire Mexican hit men to kill this woman and Mr. Jones’s ex-mistress Mary Anne if he is sued for non payment for professional services.

    The services related to Mary Ann are in regards to Bob Jones’s horrible poetry.

    In regards to the other woman’s participation it’s a breach of contract regarding golf course resorts in North and South Korea plus China due to her efforts in opening up business trade in these countries. This amounts to at least 10 million dollars he owes her.

    Mr. Fisher has stated for the record he wants nothing of this. All he wants is for justice to be served and that these individuals not be cheated out of earned income.

    We have been going over these postings and noted some errors that with our researchers discovered what they also were all about. I will show here the partial statements and then what we found out to explain it

    I am also including the link for you to see each entire message.

    The last link is from Peter Joyce and this is the man that was killed in a terrorist bombing in Egypt recently. The British, United States and Israel tried to say Hamas or Al Queda did it. It wasn’t, it was done by the Mossad due to several pieces of information that Peter had on election fraud and also on the two missing books of the New Testament that he had translated from an ancient form of Aramaic.

    This is from the real Jim Ford also. Not Al Rogers. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/47?l=1

    “expose any of the twenty people they want to harm or terminate” We learned recently it was twenty-two names. This statement of twenty was a protective move to keep Mr. Fisher alive. He had received this advise from an operative out of Scotland Yard.

    Do you know who they might be?

    The message to the Reverend Al Sharpton that I am supposed to relay is that Jeff will keep last May’s promise of taking care of his "Don King"

    What is that all about Reverend Sharpton? Is that the luncheon?

    This will be accomplished by getting President George W. Bush and Vice President Richard Cheney to step down from office with grace and dignity for the preservation of the United States of America and the U.S. Constitution. Jeff said, “The Rev will understand”

    This is an interesting statement. What does “Don King” have to do with the resignation of President Bush and Vice President Cheney and again what does this mean “The Rev will understand”?

    The following links are letters written by the real Jim Ford. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/47?l=1


    This one is to the President of Florida’s National Organization of Women
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/51

    The name of Jim Ford is only an alias being used by an agent assigned to Jeff Fisher since 2003 from Interpol. The photo of him in his profile is an investor from Wall Street whose name is Jim Ford.

    What is also interesting is that we discovered that this name appears also in postings by another individual that is being investigated by the Department of Justice for several things, including being suspected of identity theft. That individual is Albert Rogers.

    Albert Rogers was in Jeff Fisher’s Congressional campaign staff and is very clever in obtaining information and releasing it throughout the Internet. This man is a NEOCON/ZIONIST.

    He has alienated so many people on the Internet that they are causing more harm than good to expose this conspiracy.

    Mr. Rogers spreads truth and lies at times and that can be a problem to individuals that are not aware of this evil tactic. Mr. Fisher is a very good man who just was to trusting of this Al Rogers. He knows better now but it now requires our help to clear this up.

    Mr. Rogers intentionally misspells certain words and uses bad grammar text. This is done for the sole purpose of creating an aire of discreditable behavior about Mr. Jeffrey Fisher so no one will believe the real truth that he is the witness too.

    This Al Rogers uses tactics of propaganda that Hitler used in the early thirties. Conquer and Divide. Very Karl Rove like indeed.

    Al Rogers uses several aliases on the Internet. He takes names that other people have created and uses them to spread his filth and lies. The wording is very subtle but effective. This is the link for the following statements.
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/45?l=1
    Its nice to know that some democrats is fighting to stop the Iraq War. What is interesting is that the federal government wants this person for knowing too much about the 2000 election.

    This should be written instead according to our psychological research team as the following. It’s nice to know that some democrats are fighting to stop the Iraq War. What is interesting is that the federal government wants to stop Jeff Fisher for revealing too much about the 2000 election.

    Our research has revealed that Mr. Fisher has friends with close contacts with the Gore family. Al Gore's late mother's personal doctor, Dr. Rick Margolis. Our research has revealed that Mrs. Gore's doctor took him care of last year in Los Angeles, San Diego and San Francisco.

    This again was an attempt to discredit Mr. Fisher by changing the name of the doctor. The doctor’s name is Richard Margolin.

    We believe you have met the doctor with his ex-girlfriend that Mr. Fisher ended up protecting whom we know he fell in love with too. That Reverend must have made it much harder on this man to protect this person and the others on the protected list and yet he managed to come up with a feasible plan to expose this conspiracy. Do you agree on that Reverend Sharpton?

    The next statement needs some clarification regarding agent Watkins. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/43?l=1
    Anne Watkins wrote: To: TruthSeekersElection2004@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:31:27 -0000
    Subject: [TruthSeekersElection2004] Where is Jeff Fisher? IS HE DEAD or ALIVE?

    Since last Friday, nobody in New York has heard any more news on his evidence. I read his statement on Democrats.com and I wonder if he is still alive. The information and the people he protected may have led him to being killed or something else.

    Ms. Watkins is using her code/alias name. She does contract work like our group too.

    She knows Mr. Fisher very well. Mr. Fisher set that account up for her also. Jackie is in hiding now because she knows another operative that used to work in the Pentagon that has had three people on their team die mysteriously this year.

    Their work is related to the evidence that Mr. Fisher discovered at Keiser College regarding the connection of 9-11 to a Muslim marriage scam that was taking place in the 90’s and its indirect connection to the 2000 election.

    As for the next letter it’s confusing because it appears that Al Rogers who is reposting this specific letter with his added comments is being a good friend. This is the link to the following statement

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/43?l=1
    I have pasted the letter with my input added in bold print.
    We believe that the yellow bolded above and the bolded sections below are Al Roger’s statements. Al Rogers may also be suffering from schizophrenia due to the fact that he has sent numerous hate emails also to Mr. Fisher.

    DEMOCRATS MUST FIGHT ALITO TO STOP ELECTION FRAUD Submitted by Jeff Fisher Berkley on January 27, 2006 - 12:31pm

    I already have contacted the Democratic House Judiciary Committee and told them I would take a lie detector test regarding the information I didn't give them on December 8, 2004. (Someone needs to call Washington)

    As for the next paragraph it was a typo. We questioned people in Berkeley where Mr. Fisher had typed this message and many people told us he was acting scared. One woman told us that Jeff Fisher had been outside the employment center talking with a police officer about a man who blew green smoke in his face and that he needed to leave town ASAP.

    My name is Jeff Fisher. I am the Democrat that obtained election fraud information on September 27, 2004 from Sean Lennon regarding Bay PointSchool in 1999, 2000 and 2002. I also obtained hard copy information on individuals who were involved in the financing, programming and manipulation of Elections in 2000, 2002 and 2004.

    The corrected version should have read. My name is Jeff Fisher. I am the Democrat that obtained election fraud information on July 27, 2004 from Sean Lennon regarding Bay Point School in 1996, 1997, 1998,1999, 2000,2001,2002, 2003 and 2004. I also obtained hard copy information on individuals who were involved in the financing, programming and manipulation of Elections in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002,2003 and 2004.

    We have verified this through several people who know that Benjamin Roth had taken him to see Sean S. Lennon on that specific date.

    This is a letter sent from a man named John Folm to Palm Beach County Democratic County Executive Committee President Wahid Mahamood. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/53?l=1
    Why is Mr. Mahamood not doing anything about this information?

    Besides the Peace Plan Mr. Fisher wrote in 2003 he also wrote a outline
    for a new economic/peace plan to end the occupation of Northern Ireland
    by the United Kingdom. Tony Blair, Ariel Sharon and George Bush objected
    to this also.

    Peter Joyce link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/42?l=1

    Thank you,
    Seymour J Hersh

    May God give America his special blessing now and forever.

    Posted by: Seymour Hersh | Jun 18, 2006 5:07:20 PM

    SANDIEGO INDYMEDIACynthia McKinney HOLDING PRESS CONFERENCE?Nick Trupiano 2006-12-09 16:51PRESS RELEASE:PRESS CONFERENCE REVEALED: WILL CYNTHIA MCKINNEY BE TALKING ABOUTELECTION FRAUD?Cynthia McKinney, official Congresswoman of Georgia retires after sending an impeachmentbill against President George W. Bush to the House Floor this Friday.Subjects to be discussed are according to our sources, Election Fraud, Impeachment, MarkFoley, Jeff Fisher and word has it an expose on the Administration.Is there something happening soon? It sure seems to be the case, follow us all through-out theweek and be sure to check in for our updates!PRESS RELEASE:PRESS CONFERENCE REVEALED: WILL CYNTHIA MCKINNEY BE TALKING ABOUT ELECTION FRAUD?Cynthia McKinney, official Congresswoman of Georgia retires after sending an impeachment bill against President GeorgeW. Bush to the House Floor this Friday.Subjects to be discussed are according to our sources, Election Fraud, Impeachment, Mark Foley, Jeff Fisher and wordhas it an expose on the Administration.Is there something happening soon? It sure seems to be the case, follow us all through-out the week and be sure to checkin for our updates!"Geoff Staples said...Bill,I can confirm. I just got off the phone with Tony, our station affiliate manager and Cynthia McKinney indeed is holding apress conference today.Nobody has any idea what its about, but the whole entire thing is a go!They say the conference is going to mention election fraud from several years, specifically the 2006 which McKinney lost.Did you hear that too Special Prosecutor Biloxi?That election fraud took place in McKinney's race isn't a question, the question is who done it?The latest confirms that election fraud will be a topic, Jeff Fisher, Mark Foley, and several other issues will be discussed.Matt nearly almost always hits his mark, and he is who talked to Tony about it.I've got to make sure our people are there to get this on tape! " patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com/2006/12/time-for-recess.htmlWhat exactly prompted all of this? Beats me!But it has something to do with Mark Foley, Drug Free America and the Congressional page scandal!nomorefraud.blogspot.comThey got loads more about it, including this letter our editors received."Dear Reverend Sharpton,My code name is Seymour J Hersh. My research team and I work in McLean, Virginia. Our job is Internet political research.We do this work on contract for different intelligence agencies. Naval Intelligence out of Marina Del Ray, California, whichmonitors us like everyone else on the Internet are located at 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330. The postal code is 90292-6695.The NIA uses several DNS addresses but the common denominators are that they list themselves as the Internet AssignedNumbers Authority (IANA).We all of course use an alias to protect our families and ourselves. It's very dangerous and quite interesting also.We like them have the ability to cloak our IP addresses and to even make it appear to come from someone else'scomputer. That is an easy procedure to accomplish since the Clinton Administration used this knowledge to infiltrate the[All original content posted to San Diego Indymedia is free for reprint and rebroadcast, on the net andelsewhere, for non-commercial use, unless otherwise noted by author.]1
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    activities of Slobadan Miloševi ( ) regarding the genocide that led to the Kosovo War in 1999. You of course know this sinceyou ran for the U.S. Presidency in 2004. It was part of your briefing by the Secret Service.We get to travel a lot because of Mr. Jeff Fisher, our assignment, for he moves all over the United States to escape theMossad that has a contract on him. That contract which has a price of $25,000,000 was placed by the American Israeli PublicAffairs Committee on December 8, 2004 which has kept this man running and in turn having justice delayed on theimpeachment of President George W. Bush.Recently the AIPAC has been going into full denial of this publicly. It's very much out of character for the second largestlobbying group in the United States to do this unless as our psychological researchers have figured out that AIPAC isinvolved in the Election Fraud.Recently the Special Counsel regarding Jeff Fisher's evidence on election fraud has finally been approved. We wereinformed that there was information on him in sites dedicated to you. We discovered that was true. There is even a blog siteup online for Mr. Fisher that is closely watched by the Special Counsel and the Central Intelligence Agency due to theevidence, which is being made public at this time. That can be reached at www.NoMoreFraud.blogspot.comOur teams of researchers are now trying to piece your involvement with our information. This is so we may come to abetter understanding of why Mr. Fisher released classified information on a standing (unrecorded) order by the CIA regardingthat no African American can ever reach the elected position of the Executive Branch.We all know that George W. Bush first had chosen Colin Powell to be his Vice Presidential running mate but that his father,George H. Bush informed him of the unwritten order that he maintained when he was the Director of the Central IntelligenceAgency.We have questions that we would like to have answered from you too.We are writing this open letter on the Internet because this type of conspiracy must be exposed not through standardchannels. The media is part of the conspiracy and the Internet is mainly still an open channel to get the facts out to otherintelligence agents and to several thousand proud patriots in our nation and throughout Europe, Asia, Africa (including theMiddle East) and Australia.This is proof that the media is covering up the conspiracy. groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/43The internal url is of a screenshot of an audit log from Florida's 2004 election showing a very strange wave pattern thatmatches programming done by Dr. Piotr Blass, Sean S. Lennon, Mike Razar and Clint Curtis. That url is tinyurl.com/mb3a6www.geocities.com/supercoolindude/votesnodates.jpgThere are many more being investigated by the team Mr. Fisher assembled and from another unit that started thisresearch prior to Mr. Fisher arriving on the scene. These teams are working in a cohesive manner unlike Bev Harris fromBlack Box Voting whom continues to dismiss Mr. Fisher's hard evidence and Mr. Fisher being an eyewitness to all of this.Mr. Fisher is not after the limelight like Bev Harris who has video cameras follow her every step including when she raidsmeetings that election official are at. Then to top that off she attempts to sell these tapes to give her added income.Mr. Fisher has done just the opposite and it has harmed his health considerable but he kept his integrity intact. That isadmirable and very rare in today's society. Her actions are the characteristics of a wannabe.This is a link that Al Rogers plays the role of being two posters and trying to promote BradBlog.comgroups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/49Brad Friedman and Bev Harris have done everything possible to discredit Jeff Fisher. Mr. Fisher has spoken with Mr.Friedman on the phone this year and Mr. Friedman will not let Mr. Fisher even post his proof on his website. He has filteredout his name. There are screenshots of posts recently done on Bradblog to prove of this censorship of continuing the coverupof the election/neoncon/zionist conspiracy.Rev. Sharpton, Mr. Rogers posted under the name of Jim Ford names and phone numbers of people that are in theWitness Protection Act and the list of protected ones that Jeff Fisher sent to Jazmine for you to keep secured.I will send that to later if you want to see that proof.Please sir, help Mr. Fisher. You both have been stabbed in Brooklyn. Just like you he fights for truth, equality and justicefor all Americans, especially African Americans, this man received a personal blessing from Martin Luther King Jr in 1966. He[All original content posted to San Diego Indymedia is free for reprint and rebroadcast, on the net andelsewhere, for non-commercial use, unless otherwise noted by author.]2
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    was only five years old.First question: Do you know Jeff Fisher? Second Question: Do you or your staff receive any phone calls/emails from JeffFisher? Third Question: Who on your campaign staff knows Jeff Fisher? Fourth question: Was Jeff Fisher present at aluncheon with you in Beverly Hills in May of 2005? Fifth question: Did Jeff Fisher ever try to visit you in your condo inManhattan? Sixth question: Does Jeff Fisher know your neighbor who has an interesting relationship with organized crime?Your neighbour and his co-workers are not under investigation due to Mr. Fisher placing a formal request to theDepartment of Justice to leave them alone.That request is being honoured because of Mr. Fisher's "Intel" work that he was forced, (medically tortured) to do from1983 to 1986 for the CIA and MI6 (SIS) under the protection of "The Official Secrets Act" Mr. Fisher was adamant about thisand told the Department of Justice to investigate the real criminals who are dealing in Drugs, Slavery, Child Pornography andtheir direct connection to election fraud. That of course is the Florida sector of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's DivisionFive.That division is one of the main reasons that the RICCO Laws were enacted. To have organized crime figures imprisonedalong with their attorneys so the US Government could go into business instead to ensure that Zionism (not Judaism) wouldcontinue in the United States, Israel and throughout the free world.Mr. Fisher is always saying, "Respect Received is Respect Earned". We all agree with him on that. His past has beenverified to be clean of any wrong doings. He just has connections and friendships with members of the Genovese Family fromAppalachian, New York and Providence, Rhode Island and to important people in Sicily. He also has friends in Philadelphia,Miami, Las Vegas and Monte Carlo that have all told us that he is an honest, reliable, law abiding and god fearing man thatthey respect always.To educate the world about the MAFIA, one should read what Mr. Fisher had written back in high school about the truehistory of the Sicilian families that started the mafia in the late 13th century. Write to me and I will send you his excellent,short, concise and truthful statements about the Sicilian mafia. This writing explains the character of this brave patriot andwhy the real mafia (our governments) is in fear of him. They don't want the citizens to know the truth.Mr. Fisher is always about the truth. That is what a messenger of god's words are all about. Don't you agree ReverendSharpton? That is what we as Christians are supposed to do in our daily lives and not just on Sunday, are we in agreementwith that too Reverend Sharpton?The letters we found posted on the Internet are very positive regarding you and Congressman Patrick Kennedy. What is sointeresting is that Mr. Fisher recently tried to make contact with Robert Kennedy regarding the elections and Mr. Kennedy'sFlorida staffers, led by Farron Cousins will not relay that important information to Robert Kennedy.Mr. Fisher has recently been published in several INDY MEDIA websites regarding reaching Robert Kennedy. I amenclosing these links for you along with the links to the alsharpton2004 (at) yahoogroups.com web group.www.binghamtonpmc.org/newswire/display/2123/index.php la.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/163839.phpla.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/164074.phpSo our next question is this. Why would Robert Kennedy's staff ignore Jeff Fisher since he has evidence and a deepappreciation of you and Congressman Patrick Kennedy?Just yesterday we were monitoring his phone calls from a law office in Los Angeles and learned that he, along with one ofthe protected ones that you know about was threatened (death) by attorney Bruce Cutler at Bobby Van's Steakhouse at 230Park Avenue and 46th Street at approximately 8:30 P.M. on January 31, 2005.Mr. Fisher was demanding that Bruce Cutler protect his client properly instead of just taking his money, calling his client aweasel to the consigliore of the mob and basking in the limelight along with a statement from Mr. Cutler admitting freely thathis mentor, Bobby Simone, he didn't give a rat #*#& about and that he could rot in hell for all he cared.Mr. Cutler is now under investigation by the Department of Justice for this also. His client, Phil Spector we believe isinnocent and that his other attorney, Roger Rosen should be in charge of this case. Mr. Fisher was in contact with a privateinvestigator by the name of Dale Kelly telling him all about the threat on his life and Phil's ex fiancée for knowing too much.Mr. Fisher defended Mr. Spector because he believes in his innocence like he has proven in the past on so many other[All original content posted to San Diego Indymedia is free for reprint and rebroadcast, on the net andelsewhere, for non-commercial use, unless otherwise noted by author.]3
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    issues. Mr. Kelly can be contacted at 626-799-1607 for verification of this phone call.Robert Shapiro should be notified of this also for Mr. Spector needs his help again very much. Mr. Cutler is what they call awannabe. The only reason he is famous is because his mentor, Robert F.Simone made him shine in the courtroom by givinghim cue cards when it was necessary.jefffisherfiles.blogspot.comRobert F.Simone , along with Robert Shapiro, Willie Brown and Roger Rosen are the best criminal attorneys to have PhilSpector remain free and proven of his innocence.nomorefraud.blogspot.com To prove beyond a doubt of Mr. Fisher's loyalty toward someone's life he has also reported tothe Department of Justice that Robert Trent Jones Jr has threatened to hire Mexican hit men to kill this woman and Mr.Jones's ex-mistress Mary Anne if he is sued for non payment for professional services.The services related to Mary Ann are in regards to Bob Jones's horrible poetry.In regards to the other woman's participation it's a breach of contract regarding golf course resorts in North and SouthKorea plus China due to her efforts in opening up business trade in these countries. This amounts to at least 10 milliondollars he owes her.Mr. Fisher has stated for the record he wants nothing of this. All he wants is for justice to be served and that theseindividuals not be cheated out of earned income.We have been going over these postings and noted some errors that with our researchers discovered what they also wereall about. I will show here the partial statements and then what we found out to explain itI am also including the link for you to see each entire message.The last link is from Peter Joyce and this is the man that was killed in a terrorist bombing in Egypt recently. The British,United States and Israel tried to say Hamas or Al Queda did it. It wasn't, it was done by the Mossad due to several pieces ofinformation that Peter had on election fraud and also on the two missing books of the New Testament that he had translatedfrom an ancient form of Aramaic.This is from the real Jim Ford also. Not Al Rogers. groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/47"expose any of the twenty people they want to harm or terminate" We learned recently it was twenty-two names. Thisstatement of twenty was a protective move to keep Mr. Fisher alive. He had received this advise from an operative out ofScotland Yard.Do you know who they might be?The message to the Reverend Al Sharpton that I am supposed to relay is that Jeff will keep last May's promise of takingcare of his "Don King"What is that all about Reverend Sharpton? Is that the luncheon?This will be accomplished by getting President George W. Bush and Vice President Richard Cheney to step down fromoffice with grace and dignity for the preservation of the United States of America and the U.S. Constitution. Jeff said, "TheRev will understand"This is an interesting statement. What does "Don King" have to do with the resignation of President Bush and VicePresident Cheney and again what does this mean "The Rev will understand"?The following links are letters written by the real Jim Ford. groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/47This one is to the President of Florida's National Organization of Womengroups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/51The name of Jim Ford is only an alias being used by an agent assigned to Jeff Fisher since 2003 from Interpol. The photoof him in his profile is an investor from Wall Street whose name is Jim Ford.What is also interesting is that we discovered that this name appears also in postings by another individual that is beinginvestigated by the Department of Justice for several things, including being suspected of identity theft. That individual isAlbert Rogers.Albert Rogers was in Jeff Fisher's Congressional campaign staff and is very clever in obtaining information and releasing itthroughout the Internet. This man is a NEOCON/ZIONIST.[All original content posted to San Diego Indymedia is free for reprint and rebroadcast, on the net andelsewhere, for non-commercial use, unless otherwise noted by author.]4
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    He has alienated so many people on the Internet that they are causing more harm than good to expose this conspiracy.Mr. Rogers spreads truth and lies at times and that can be a problem to individuals that are not aware of this evil tactic. Mr.Fisher is a very good man who just was to trusting of this Al Rogers. He knows better now but it now requires our help toclear this up.Mr. Rogers intentionally misspells certain words and uses bad grammar text. This is done for the sole purpose of creatingan aire of discreditable behavior about Mr. Jeffrey Fisher so no one will believe the real truth that he is the witness too.This Al Rogers uses tactics of propaganda that Hitler used in the early thirties. Conquer and Divide. Very Karl Rove likeindeed.cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/23865.phpAl Rogers uses several aliases on the Internet. He takes names that other people have created and uses them to spreadhis filth and lies. The wording is very subtle but effective. This is the link for the following statements.groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/45 Its nice to know that some democrats is fighting to stop the Iraq War.What is interesting is that the federal government wants this person for knowing too much about the 2000 election.uspolitics.einnews.com/news/mark-foley This should be written instead according to our psychological research team as thefollowing. It's nice to know that some democrats are fighting to stop the Iraq War. What is interesting is that the federalgovernment wants to stop Jeff Fisher for revealing too much about the 2000 election.cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/23865.php Our research has revealed that Mr. Fisher has friends with close contactswith the Gore family. Al Gore's late mother's personal doctor, Dr. Rick Margolis. Our research has revealed that Mrs. Gore'sdoctor took him care of last year in Los Angeles, San Diego and San Francisco.This again was an attempt to discredit Mr. Fisher by changing the name of the doctor. The doctor's name is RichardMargolin.We believe you have met the doctor with his ex-girlfriend that Mr. Fisher ended up protecting whom we know he fell in lovewith too. That Reverend must have made it much harder on this man to protect this person and the others on the protectedlist and yet he managed to come up with a feasible plan to expose this conspiracy. Do you agree on that ReverendSharpton?uspolitics.einnews.com/news/mark-foleyYou can learn more about Mr. Fisher by typing in the words "Jeff Fisher news" on google, or any search engine and see allthe raw evidence that has been uncovered.Seymour J. Hersh (seymourjhersh (at) gmail.com) "nicktrupiano.tripod.comAs usual, we'll keep you updated as often we can!!Nick Trupiano and radio americahttp://sandiego.indymedia.org//2006/12/123330.shtml[All original content posted to San Diego Indymedia is free for reprint and rebroadcast, on the net andelsewhere, for non-commercial use, unless otherwise noted by author.]5

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    National WhistleBlower Hotline
    by Roger Rancourt ( realcountscount [at] gmail.com )
    Tuesday Aug 7th, 2007 2:01 PM
    Today, Jeff Fisher made so much noise in Washington DC that the website was attacked. Mr. Patrick J Fitzgerald from the Department of Justice is quite upset with this action against the First Amendment. Now we are going to try to post the site cached information for the world to see.
    National Whistleblower Hotline 202-580-8531

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    Wednesday, October 11, 2006
    ELECTION FRAUD COVERUP
    http://www.sendnomoney.com/Sound/LouDobbsVoterFraudSeptember2006.mp3
    (Disclaimer: Whistleblower Jeffrey Fisher married into the Fisher family. His ex-wife, Amy Fisher is who accomodated him with this surname. While Fisher is not his real last name, the Fisher family are in fact his ex-inlaws who live in Florida. For security purposes Jeff's real last name will be kept private.)

    ELECTION FRAUD COVERUP
    http://thestraights.com/the-straights/st-st-pete/abuses-st-pete.htm

    http://thestraights.com/theprogram/suicides.htm

    http://thestraights.com/theprogram/suicides-page2.htm#sheriff

    http://www.thestraights.com/index-p2.htm
    As we all know, AIPAC covering up election fraud serves no one.

    http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/08/347186.html

    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/09/49179.php

    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47455.php

    http://www.indymedia.org/en/2006/09/846112.shtml

    Tortured by Mossad agents for knowing the full truth, Jeff Fisher is an unusual whistleblower who has endured everything.

    AIPAC can't cover a crime up anymore, a crime which has gone on for over a decade in fact.

    A crime which, started with the neocons paying to have actual schools brainwash, abuse, and destroy kids. During this process of abuse, the kids were physically taught election fraud.

    Jeff Fisher is more than a man. He's a legend, and not only can the CIA not keep up with him. They can't stop him either, because he has never been afraid of the neocons or their bogus operation to abuse kids & immigrants.

    http://20-248-c.onlinestoragesolution.com/neversurrender/DSC_8539Sm.jpg

    As for the election fraud itself, maybe its time everyone ask these two nice people from South Florida, Wellington. A small quiet town supposedly.

    Irving & Judy Fisher are covering up a massive crime, by not releasing Jeff Fisher's property. They are the parents of Amy Fisher and Jeff's simple inlaws.
    Those computers belong to him, and always have. By hook or by the book, we are getting his property back.

    Why not call Irving & Judy Fisher and ask them why they are holding in their hands files which include a coverup of the United States elections? Do they have any reason to do so?

    Irving & Judy Fisher
    (561)-471-8232

    Here's a good idea of what they are presently covering up, by not releasing all of Jeff's property he owns immediately.
    http://cloakanddagger.de/CLOAKANDDAGGER.DE_TOM%20HENEGHAN/cloak_IEAR%20Oct_4.htm
    He paid for them himself, and he certainly didn't give them to the inlaws.


    So why are Irving & Judy Fisher covering up for a crime which includes congressional pages being trained to do election fraud in various schools? Why not ask them?

    The entire Arab American community and International Iranian News wants to know too. And also, perhaps they can answer why they are not letting anyone know about this. Especially when Interpol themselves, already have nearly all of the emails.
    http://20-248-c.onlinestoragesolution.com/neversurrender/EVIDENCE.htm


    Roger

    posted by Roger Rancourt at 6:04 PM

    1 Comments:
    Proud Mary said...
    Well, it's about time someone put up a blog for Mr. Fisher. Our small group here have been watching all activities on the net and this is a welcomed sight.

    I am going on vacation and at least someone will know now more about the hidden truth.

    We have had such a hard time keeping up with Jeff Fisher and his whereabouts.

    We knew where he lived in Century City, California.

    We also knew about the shelter in Binghamton, N.Y. and the St.Patrick Four Trial and his participation. Bravo for helping them in giving them Constitutional advise on day four of the trail.

    The most interesting and baffling episodes were way back in December of 2004 while he was still in Washington DC, to be exact, Georgetown.

    One episode he almost got caught while talking to an agent from the Middle East posing as a staff member talking about a golf course being built in his country. His friend saved his butt that day and that person didn't even know how serious it was. His friend just thought it was rude and in bad taste. Interesting? Yet in many ways quite true. Jeff did learn from that.

    Another episode was when he was subjected to a nerve agent that placed him in George Washington hospital on December 16th, 2004.

    He showed bravery and loyalty and love for mankind by not letting his friend not know anything about the threats on so many lives he was forced to protect. He ended soon after that going to the Pentagon thanks to his friend and getting an important message from a soldier that needed to first obey his oath and protect the Constitution.

    We then tracked him down to a five star hotel in NYC in January of 2005.

    His friend was so true to him and he was to that person also. That is the kind of friendship that does not come around often for anyone.

    He really was blacklisted and attacked in NYC. We were unable to do anything about that situation. For it was just after the swearing in of the President and his office was still quite livid about the incident that took place on January 6th 2005.

    Jeff has called so many people on the hill that he keeps us very busy. He has made a few friends, like us who want Al Gore to step forward and claim his legal right to the presidency. We are so afraid to do anything especially after Congress passed The USA PATRIOT ACT.

    He has made many Democrats and Republicans upset with him for revealing the truth about AIPAC and their hidden agenda with Israel.

    I am going on vacation and maybe not coming back.

    I am going to miss the people. I will come back when democracy is alive again in America. Please I ask God and anyone who reads my message to somehow help Mr. Fisher. He is America's last Boy Scout and real hero.

    By the way for those who will blast me for this blog. I am a straight, conservative woman who is Jewish.

    Proud Mary
    God Bless America
    Mr. Gore please get this man to saftey so you can become our true president.

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    June 17, 2006
    Weird
    What's wrong with this paragraph:

    IF ANYONE OTHER THAN POLITICAL JUNKIES cared about the race for Duke Cunningham's old congressional seat in California's 50th District, Democratic candidate Francine Busby's "you don't need papers for voting" blunder would rank with Gerald Ford insisting Poland wasn't communist, Michael Dukakis joy-riding in a tank, and John Kerry reporting for duty.
    Did Kerry's acceptance speech salute become a legendary gaffe while I wasn't looking? The "I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it," maybe, but I seem to remember his speech going over surprisingly well.

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    Yeah, that and there isnt more than one period in the whole damn thing.

    Posted by: tony | Jun 17, 2006 6:24:33 PM

    From what I remember the "Lt Kerry, reporting for duty" thing was mocked pretty much on all sides. Maybe nothing huge, but certainly of the eye rolling type.

    Posted by: Nanette | Jun 17, 2006 6:34:13 PM

    I think the "reporting for duty" line was "mocked on all sides" in the sense that the people who were mocking it assumed they were the only side that counted.

    The context, as I recall it, was that the convention in general came off as pretty much a rousing success - and then a day or two later came the Swift Boat ads, which blew everything out of the water. Kerry's line and the speech itself went over pretty well at the time.

    Posted by: Iron Lungfish | Jun 17, 2006 7:05:09 PM

    One thing that the GOP does well is to tie all losing campaigns together. If you listen to their conventions they are found of a litany that goes something like McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and now Kerry. A critical part of this is to divorce the GOP candidate from things like the Swift Boat attacks, the FL voting lawsuits and extralegal efforts launched by the Bush campaign, the Willie Horton ads or Pledge of Allegiance campaign. Whether its a coherent strategy is beside the point. The purpose is to associate Democratic candidates with losses and detach the GOP from the unsavory aspect of their wins (it allmost even works with Nixon). Democrats would do well to link Goldwater, Nixon, Ford, and Bush (unfortunately the media would consider it to be mean-spirited).

    Posted by: rk | Jun 17, 2006 10:33:26 PM

    Weekly Standard. pfffft.

    Chapter Two in the Repub. Campaign Manual for Making Elections Irrelevant is titled: Always attack the Dem. person - with lies if necessary - and do not deal with the message of the Dems, ever.

    I'm sure somewhere in the Rethug Dirt Archives there is a picture of every leading Dem picking their nose or scratching their ass, just waiting to circulated in the GOP cesspool until it reaches page one in the NYT at the proper moment.

    Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Jun 17, 2006 11:41:07 PM

    I did think that 'reporting for duty' thing was a tad corney. but I would never dismiss a president for being a little goofy sometimes ... now if he's a total blundering greedy moron .. yes.

    Posted by: GaryJ | Jun 18, 2006 8:33:08 AM

    To every reporter at the New York Times.
    This news affects everyone
    Long Live the First Amendment
    Hello Foreign Press
    Please pass the truth around the planet

    contact: (212)603-3702
    National Action Network
    http://www.nationalactionnetwork.net/


    Dear Reverend Sharpton,

    My code name is Seymour J Hersh. My research team and I work in McLean, Virginia. Our job is Internet political research.

    We do this work on contract for different intelligence agencies. Naval Intelligence out of Marina Del Ray, California, which monitors us like everyone else on the Internet are located at 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330. The postal code is 90292-6695.

    The NIA uses several DNS addresses but the common denominators are that they list themselves as the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA).

    We all of course use an alias to protect our families and ourselves. It’s very dangerous and quite interesting also.

    We like them have the ability to cloak our IP addresses and to even make it appear to come from someone else’s computer. That is an easy procedure to accomplish since the Clinton Administration used this knowledge to infiltrate the activities of Slobadan Milošević (Слободан Милошевић) regarding the genocide that led to the Kosovo War in 1999. You of course know this since you ran for the U.S. Presidency in 2004. It was part of your briefing by the Secret Service.

    We get to travel a lot because of Mr. Jeff Fisher, our assignment, for he moves all over the United States to escape the Mossad that has a contract on him. That contract which has a price of $25,000,000 was placed by the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee on December 8, 2004 which has kept this man running and in turn having justice delayed on the impeachment of President George W. Bush.

    Recently the AIPAC has been going into full denial of this publicly. It’s very much out of character for the second largest lobbying group in the United States to do this unless as our psychological researchers have figured out that AIPAC is involved in the Election Fraud.

    Recently the Special Counsel regarding Jeff Fisher’s evidence on election fraud has finally been approved. We were informed that there was information on him in sites dedicated to you. We discovered that was true. There is even a blog site up online for Mr. Fisher that is closely watched by the Special Counsel and the Central Intelligence Agency due to the evidence, which is being made public at this time. That can be reached at http://www.NoMoreFraud.blogspot.com

    Our teams of researchers are now trying to piece your involvement with our information. This is so we may come to a better understanding of why Mr. Fisher released classified information on a standing (unrecorded) order by the CIA regarding that no African American can ever reach the elected position of the Executive Branch.

    We all know that George W. Bush first had chosen Colin Powell to be his Vice Presidential running mate but that his father, George H. Bush informed him of the unwritten order that he maintained when he was the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

    We have questions that we would like to have answered from you too.

    We are writing this open letter on the Internet because this type of conspiracy must be exposed not through standard channels. The media is part of the conspiracy and the Internet is mainly still an open channel to get the facts out to other intelligence agents and to several thousand proud patriots in our nation and throughout Europe, Asia, Africa (including the Middle East) and Australia.

    This is proof that the media is covering up the conspiracy. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/43?l=1

    The internal url is of a screenshot of an audit log from Florida’s 2004 election showing a very strange wave pattern that matches programming done by Dr. Piotr Blass, Sean S. Lennon, Mike Razar and Clint Curtis. That url is http://tinyurl.com/mb3a6

    http://www.geocities.com/supercoolindude/votesnodates.jpg

    There are many more being investigated by the team Mr. Fisher assembled and from another unit that started this research prior to Mr. Fisher arriving on the scene. These teams are working in a cohesive manner unlike Bev Harris from Black Box Voting whom continues to dismiss Mr. Fisher’s hard evidence and Mr. Fisher being an eyewitness to all of this.

    Mr. Fisher is not after the limelight like Bev Harris who has video cameras follow her every step including when she raids meetings that election official are at. Then to top that off she attempts to sell these tapes to give her added income.

    Mr. Fisher has done just the opposite and it has harmed his health considerable but he kept his integrity intact. That is admirable and very rare in today’s society. Her actions are the characteristics of a wannabe.

    This is a link that Al Rogers plays the role of being two posters and trying to promote BradBlog.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/49?l=1

    Brad Friedman and Bev Harris have done everything possible to discredit Jeff Fisher. Mr. Fisher has spoken with Mr. Friedman on the phone this year and Mr. Friedman will not let Mr. Fisher even post his proof on his website. He has filtered out his name. There are screenshots of posts recently done on Bradblog to prove of this censorship of continuing the coverup of the election/neoncon/zionist conspiracy.

    Rev. Sharpton, Mr. Rogers posted under the name of Jim Ford names and phone numbers of people that are in the Witness Protection Act and the list of protected ones that Jeff Fisher sent to Jazmine for you to keep secured.

    I will send that to later if you want to see that proof.

    Please sir, help Mr. Fisher. You both have been stabbed in Brooklyn. Just like you he fights for truth, equality and justice for all Americans, especially African Americans, this man received a personal blessing from Martin Luther King Jr in 1966. He was only five years old.

    First question: Do you know Jeff Fisher?
    Second Question: Do you or your staff receive any phone calls/emails from Jeff Fisher?
    Third Question: Who on your campaign staff knows Jeff Fisher?
    Fourth question: Was Jeff Fisher present at a luncheon with you in Beverly Hills in May of 2005?
    Fifth question: Did Jeff Fisher ever try to visit you in your condo in Manhattan?
    Sixth question: Does Jeff Fisher know your neighbor who has an interesting relationship with organized crime?

    Your neighbour and his co-workers are not under investigation due to Mr. Fisher placing a formal request to the Department of Justice to leave them alone.

    That request is being honoured because of Mr. Fisher’s “Intel” work that he was forced, (medically tortured) to do from 1983 to 1986 for the CIA and MI6 (SIS) under the protection of “The Official Secrets Act” Mr. Fisher was adamant about this and told the Department of Justice to investigate the real criminals who are dealing in Drugs, Slavery, Child Pornography and their direct connection to election fraud. That of course is the Florida sector of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Division Five.

    That division is one of the main reasons that the RICCO Laws were enacted. To have organized crime figures imprisoned along with their attorneys so the US Government could go into business instead to ensure that Zionism (not Judaism) would continue in the United States, Israel and throughout the free world.

    Mr. Fisher is always saying, “Respect Received is Respect Earned”. We all agree with him on that. His past has been verified to be clean of any wrong doings. He just has connections and friendships with members of the Genovese Family from Appalachian, New York and Providence, Rhode Island and to important people in Sicily. He also has friends in Philadelphia, Miami, Las Vegas and Monte Carlo that have all told us that he is an honest, reliable, law abiding and god fearing man that they respect always.

    To educate the world about the MAFIA, one should read what Mr. Fisher had written back in high school about the true history of the Sicilian families that started the mafia in the late 13th century. Write to me and I will send you his excellent, short, concise and truthful statements about the Sicilian mafia. This writing explains the character of this brave patriot and why the real mafia (our governments) is in fear of him. They don’t want the citizens to know the truth.

    Mr. Fisher is always about the truth. That is what a messenger of god’s words are all about. Don’t you agree Reverend Sharpton? That is what we as Christians are supposed to do in our daily lives and not just on Sunday, are we in agreement with that too Reverend Sharpton?

    The letters we found posted on the Internet are very positive regarding you and Congressman Patrick Kennedy. What is so interesting is that Mr. Fisher recently tried to make contact with Robert Kennedy regarding the elections and Mr. Kennedy’s Florida staffers, led by Farron Cousins will not relay that important information to Robert Kennedy.

    Mr. Fisher has recently been published in several INDY MEDIA websites regarding reaching Robert Kennedy. I am enclosing these links for you along with the links to the alsharpton2004@yahoogroups.com web group.

    http://www.binghamtonpmc.org/newswire/display/2123/index.php
    http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/163839.php
    http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/164074.php

    So our next question is this. Why would Robert Kennedy’s staff ignore Jeff Fisher since he has evidence and a deep appreciation of you and Congressman Patrick Kennedy?

    Just yesterday we were monitoring his phone calls from a law office in Los Angeles and learned that he, along with one of the protected ones that you know about was threatened (death) by attorney Bruce Cutler at Bobby Van’s Steakhouse at 230 Park Avenue and 46th Street at approximately 8:30 P.M. on January 31, 2005.

    Mr. Fisher was demanding that Bruce Cutler protect his client properly instead of just taking his money, calling his client a weasel to the consigliore of the mob and basking in the limelight along with a statement from Mr. Cutler admitting freely that his mentor, Bobby Simone, he didn’t give a rat #*#& about and that he could rot in hell for all he cared.

    Mr. Cutler is now under investigation by the Department of Justice for this also. His client, Phil Spector we believe is innocent and that his other attorney, Roger Rosen should be in charge of this case. Mr. Fisher was in contact with a private investigator by the name of Dale Kelly telling him all about the threat on his life and Phil’s ex fiancée for knowing too much. Mr. Fisher defended Mr. Spector because he believes in his innocence like he has proven in the past on so many other issues. Mr. Kelly can be contacted at 626-799-1607 for verification of this phone call.

    Robert Shapiro should be notified of this also for Mr. Spector needs his help again very much. Mr. Cutler is what they call a wannabe. The only reason he is famous is because his mentor, Robert F.Simone made him shine in the courtroom by giving him cue cards when it was necessary.

    Robert F.Simone, along with Robert Shapiro, Willie Brown and Roger Rosen are the best criminal attorneys to have Phil Spector remain free and proven of his innocence.

    To prove beyond a doubt of Mr. Fisher’s loyalty toward someone’s life he has also reported to the Department of Justice that Robert Trent Jones Jr has threatened to hire Mexican hit men to kill this woman and Mr. Jones’s ex-mistress Mary Anne if he is sued for non payment for professional services.

    The services related to Mary Ann are in regards to Bob Jones’s horrible poetry.

    In regards to the other woman’s participation it’s a breach of contract regarding golf course resorts in North and South Korea plus China due to her efforts in opening up business trade in these countries. This amounts to at least 10 million dollars he owes her.

    Mr. Fisher has stated for the record he wants nothing of this. All he wants is for justice to be served and that these individuals not be cheated out of earned income.

    We have been going over these postings and noted some errors that with our researchers discovered what they also were all about. I will show here the partial statements and then what we found out to explain it

    I am also including the link for you to see each entire message.

    The last link is from Peter Joyce and this is the man that was killed in a terrorist bombing in Egypt recently. The British, United States and Israel tried to say Hamas or Al Queda did it. It wasn’t, it was done by the Mossad due to several pieces of information that Peter had on election fraud and also on the two missing books of the New Testament that he had translated from an ancient form of Aramaic.

    This is from the real Jim Ford also. Not Al Rogers. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/47?l=1

    “expose any of the twenty people they want to harm or terminate” We learned recently it was twenty-two names. This statement of twenty was a protective move to keep Mr. Fisher alive. He had received this advise from an operative out of Scotland Yard.

    Do you know who they might be?

    The message to the Reverend Al Sharpton that I am supposed to relay is that Jeff will keep last May’s promise of taking care of his "Don King"

    What is that all about Reverend Sharpton? Is that the luncheon?

    This will be accomplished by getting President George W. Bush and Vice President Richard Cheney to step down from office with grace and dignity for the preservation of the United States of America and the U.S. Constitution. Jeff said, “The Rev will understand”

    This is an interesting statement. What does “Don King” have to do with the resignation of President Bush and Vice President Cheney and again what does this mean “The Rev will understand”?

    The following links are letters written by the real Jim Ford. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/47?l=1


    This one is to the President of Florida’s National Organization of Women
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/51

    The name of Jim Ford is only an alias being used by an agent assigned to Jeff Fisher since 2003 from Interpol. The photo of him in his profile is an investor from Wall Street whose name is Jim Ford.

    What is also interesting is that we discovered that this name appears also in postings by another individual that is being investigated by the Department of Justice for several things, including being suspected of identity theft. That individual is Albert Rogers.

    Albert Rogers was in Jeff Fisher’s Congressional campaign staff and is very clever in obtaining information and releasing it throughout the Internet. This man is a NEOCON/ZIONIST.

    He has alienated so many people on the Internet that they are causing more harm than good to expose this conspiracy.

    Mr. Rogers spreads truth and lies at times and that can be a problem to individuals that are not aware of this evil tactic. Mr. Fisher is a very good man who just was to trusting of this Al Rogers. He knows better now but it now requires our help to clear this up.

    Mr. Rogers intentionally misspells certain words and uses bad grammar text. This is done for the sole purpose of creating an aire of discreditable behavior about Mr. Jeffrey Fisher so no one will believe the real truth that he is the witness too.

    This Al Rogers uses tactics of propaganda that Hitler used in the early thirties. Conquer and Divide. Very Karl Rove like indeed.

    Al Rogers uses several aliases on the Internet. He takes names that other people have created and uses them to spread his filth and lies. The wording is very subtle but effective. This is the link for the following statements.
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/45?l=1
    Its nice to know that some democrats is fighting to stop the Iraq War. What is interesting is that the federal government wants this person for knowing too much about the 2000 election.

    This should be written instead according to our psychological research team as the following. It’s nice to know that some democrats are fighting to stop the Iraq War. What is interesting is that the federal government wants to stop Jeff Fisher for revealing too much about the 2000 election.

    Our research has revealed that Mr. Fisher has friends with close contacts with the Gore family. Al Gore's late mother's personal doctor, Dr. Rick Margolis. Our research has revealed that Mrs. Gore's doctor took him care of last year in Los Angeles, San Diego and San Francisco.

    This again was an attempt to discredit Mr. Fisher by changing the name of the doctor. The doctor’s name is Richard Margolin.

    We believe you have met the doctor with his ex-girlfriend that Mr. Fisher ended up protecting whom we know he fell in love with too. That Reverend must have made it much harder on this man to protect this person and the others on the protected list and yet he managed to come up with a feasible plan to expose this conspiracy. Do you agree on that Reverend Sharpton?

    The next statement needs some clarification regarding agent Watkins. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/43?l=1
    Anne Watkins wrote: To: TruthSeekersElection2004@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:31:27 -0000
    Subject: [TruthSeekersElection2004] Where is Jeff Fisher? IS HE DEAD or ALIVE?

    Since last Friday, nobody in New York has heard any more news on his evidence. I read his statement on Democrats.com and I wonder if he is still alive. The information and the people he protected may have led him to being killed or something else.

    Ms. Watkins is using her code/alias name. She does contract work like our group too.

    She knows Mr. Fisher very well. Mr. Fisher set that account up for her also. Jackie is in hiding now because she knows another operative that used to work in the Pentagon that has had three people on their team die mysteriously this year.

    Their work is related to the evidence that Mr. Fisher discovered at Keiser College regarding the connection of 9-11 to a Muslim marriage scam that was taking place in the 90’s and its indirect connection to the 2000 election.

    As for the next letter it’s confusing because it appears that Al Rogers who is reposting this specific letter with his added comments is being a good friend. This is the link to the following statement

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/43?l=1
    I have pasted the letter with my input added in bold print.
    We believe that the yellow bolded above and the bolded sections below are Al Roger’s statements. Al Rogers may also be suffering from schizophrenia due to the fact that he has sent numerous hate emails also to Mr. Fisher.

    DEMOCRATS MUST FIGHT ALITO TO STOP ELECTION FRAUD Submitted by Jeff Fisher Berkley on January 27, 2006 - 12:31pm

    I already have contacted the Democratic House Judiciary Committee and told them I would take a lie detector test regarding the information I didn't give them on December 8, 2004. (Someone needs to call Washington)

    As for the next paragraph it was a typo. We questioned people in Berkeley where Mr. Fisher had typed this message and many people told us he was acting scared. One woman told us that Jeff Fisher had been outside the employment center talking with a police officer about a man who blew green smoke in his face and that he needed to leave town ASAP.

    My name is Jeff Fisher. I am the Democrat that obtained election fraud information on September 27, 2004 from Sean Lennon regarding Bay PointSchool in 1999, 2000 and 2002. I also obtained hard copy information on individuals who were involved in the financing, programming and manipulation of Elections in 2000, 2002 and 2004.

    The corrected version should have read. My name is Jeff Fisher. I am the Democrat that obtained election fraud information on July 27, 2004 from Sean Lennon regarding Bay Point School in 1996, 1997, 1998,1999, 2000,2001,2002, 2003 and 2004. I also obtained hard copy information on individuals who were involved in the financing, programming and manipulation of Elections in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002,2003 and 2004.

    We have verified this through several people who know that Benjamin Roth had taken him to see Sean S. Lennon on that specific date.

    This is a letter sent from a man named John Folm to Palm Beach County Democratic County Executive Committee President Wahid Mahamood. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/53?l=1
    Why is Mr. Mahamood not doing anything about this information?

    Besides the Peace Plan Mr. Fisher wrote in 2003 he also wrote a outline
    for a new economic/peace plan to end the occupation of Northern Ireland
    by the United Kingdom. Tony Blair, Ariel Sharon and George Bush objected
    to this also.

    Peter Joyce link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharpton2004/message/42?l=1

    Thank you,
    Seymour J Hersh

    May God give America his special blessing now and forever.

    Posted by: Seymour Hersh | Jun 18, 2006 5:08:47 PM

    My father, the most loyal Democrat going, hated the salute. He thought it was trite and cheesy. But he liked the speech that followed.

    But I believe the CW, which is always Republican spin these days, had it that with that salute Kerry somehow made his whole candidacy about his tour in Vietnam and by doing so "invited" the Swift Boat attacks. He brought it on himself, which is why the Media felt no obligation to discredit the Swift Boaters. Kerry's fault. Let him fix it.

    Posted by: Lance Mannion | Jun 20, 2006 3:24:17 AM

    EzraFolson
    Recent comments by this user
    Lessons Not Learned
    I agree but there are now 20 memeber of the congress that are onboard to impeach Cheney.

    I think some of it is because Jeff Fisher keeps going to embassies and human rights group seeking help in exposing the absolute truth behind BayPoint School.

    posted 08/07/2007 at 17:21:08
    Now that is a loaded question.

    Why don't you all ask Jeff Fisher.

    He is the man that is making Democrats and Republicans sweat a lot.

    Now lets see if a link can be saved here,

    http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/08/07/18439338.php

    posted 08/07/2007 at 17:18:17
    Clinton Cleavage Controversy Reaches New Heights
    Your wish and many more are going to happen.

    You can thank one man who did not fail America.

    Democrat Jeff Fisher who discovered the absolute truth on July 27th 2004 about BAyPoint School.

    Google AL Gore Jeff Fisher
    This is what the media has been trying to censure

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Al+Gore+Jeff+Fisher&btnG=Google+Search
    posted 07/31/2007 at 08:07:42
    White House Salaries Released: Rove, Senior Aides Get $2,800 Boost
    Rove is finished thanks to Jeff Fisher.

    posted 07/30/2007 at 14:22:09
    Ex-Rep. McKinney Sues Atlanta Journal-Constitution For Libel
    very good observation. I would love to meet this person and present them to the NAACP in Baltimore MD.

    Here is another link about Mr. Fisher who defends all Americans, even racists and jerks because they have the right to be that way.

    http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/134697/index.php

    You all like to say you want freedom. Well one man in America made sure you are going to get your rights restored.

    So many in power have tried to stop him. Both Democrats and Republicans.

    posted 07/30/2007 at 14:03:02
    You are a smart person who sees the truth above the deception that America has been forceed by FOX and CNN since 2001.

    Europe has known the truth for a long time.
    posted 07/30/2007 at 13:56:42
    That is a subject that keeps getting asked for Mr. Fisher to investigate. Divsion 5 of the FBI is holding back the truth, posted 07/30/2007 at 13:54:44
    My goodness, you are so concerned about looks.

    Its supposed to be about We the People.

    You are the type of person who would vote for Paris Hilton.
    posted 07/30/2007 at 13:53:32
    Leave Jesse and Al alone.

    You want real scandals then lets look at BayPoint School and election Fraud and 9-11.

    You all are been living in a police state to long. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:52:01
    False, there is evidence that points the opposite direction. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:50:39
    Bingo and its AIPAC posted 07/30/2007 at 13:50:00
    Please don't use the Lord's name in vain. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:49:14
    Now understand that Ms McKinney was always correct about 9-11. It was Mr. Fisher who discovered the absolute truth about BayPoint School and its direct connection to the American Turkish Counsel. That is what Vice president Richard B Cheney is very involved with. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:48:02
    Now like you said, read the posts and see what BayPoint School is all about.

    posted 07/30/2007 at 13:45:38
    You are such a rude man? Or are you a woman?

    posted 07/30/2007 at 13:44:58
    No I work for Interpol. He is one of my assignments. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:44:23
    I think you need to read the absolute facts that are going to court in DC for your rights to be protected. Mr. Dictatortot, you need to get God in your life. McKinney is not a racist! I think you might be one though. I am so glad that Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and now Louis Farrakhan will be coming to DC to sit down with Jeff Fisher and the atrocities of BayPoint School and to black teenagers.

    Come out of your cave and face the truth.

    http://www.noi.org/
    http://www.rainbowpush.org/
    http://www.nationalactionnetwork.net/

    http://www.ntimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=4327&topic=votingissues

    Now look at this link and see more traitors
    http://www.ntimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=4828&topic=votingissues

    They all conspired against Al Gore and Tipper
    With Democrats like this who needs to worry about
    Republicans.

    Go Mr. Fisher make it all happen.
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2007/07/63159.php

    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2007/07/63162.php

    The good news on this is that Maxine Waters has come to her senses and is signed on to impeach Richard B Cheney. Now will Nancy Pelosi and Diane Fienstein sign on also or will they instead pledge their allegiance to AIPAC instead. They are supposed to represent Americans first and always.

    The additional links in the post are quite revealing.


    http://arkansas.indymedia.org/newswire/display/21054/index.php


    posted 07/30/2007 at 13:43:04
    I would say that too and that is what is happening in Washington DC because of Jeff Fisher. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:04:20
    I think you may change your mind when you see what Patrick J Fitzgerald and Jeff Fisher are going to present in court against Vice President Richard B Cheney. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:02:12
    Well maybe it has something to do with Jeff Fisher testifying against Vice President Richard B Cheney. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:00:50
    Gonzales Career Marked By 'Misstatements And Omissions' In Defense Of Bush Policies
    Well he will change his smile to a frown when he goes to jail because Jeff Fisher is going to testify against GONZO along with testifying against Dick Cheney. posted 07/30/2007 at 14:21:21
    guess who is going to testify against Gonzo?

    Jeff Fisher, Fitzgerald's next case. posted 07/30/2007 at 14:20:14
    Elizabeth Edwards Speaks Out Against Media Consolidation, for Net Neutrality, at BlogHer 2007
    To the moderator please come to DC and meet Jeff Fisher face to face on Saturday on the steps of the Supreme Court House or better how about at this address.

    Bond Federal Building
    1400 New York Avenue, NW, Ninth Floor
    Washington D.C. 20530

    There are several coffee shops in the area.
    Bring some money since Mr. Fisher has been ruined financially for uncovering the absolute truth about BayPoint School. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:09:51
    America's true colors are going to be showing again thanks to Jeff Fisher and his testifying in Washington DC against Cheney, Rove, Chertov, Gonzalez and Hillary Clinton. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:04:36
    Oh the media is quite controlled. Just ask Jeff Fisher. CNN barred him from the Omni Center in Atlanta even though he was presenting them with his last original copy of his qui tam that was meant for his friend, Cynthia McKinney. don't worry, it ended up in the hands of Eric Titwell at
    http://www.thekingcenter.org/tkc/index.asp

    Jeff Fisher was blessed by MLK in 1967.


    posted 07/30/2007 at 13:02:43
    Now is the time for the truth to be told.

    Stay tuned because Patrick J Fitzgerald has one more court case that brings back Democracy and true justice to America again.

    Jeff Fisher is about to testify against Vice President Richard B Cheney regarding the American Turkish Council and its direct connection to BayPoint School. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:57:17
    After the Next 9/11
    Well, I think that you might want to know all about Jeff Fisher who is testifying against Vice President of The United States Richard B Cheney. We in Greece are glad that one
    American did not get corrupted by the American Turkish Council and there direct connection to BayPoint School.

    Mr. Fisher gave a tremendous interview the other day to one of our reporters in the National Press Club Building in Washington DC.
    We have verified all his information and evidence. We wish him God Speed and that true Democracy comes back to America. We also are asking our government to join the three other nations that are going to enact a total boycott of Israel due to its participation of Election Theft on a world-wide scale and for the events of September 11th, 2001 and the millions of lost lives fighting an unjust war.

    We know its an upward battle but like Mr. Jeff Fisher, We Greeks have a strong belief in Jesus Christ also. Mr. Fisher wrote a very good peace plan in 2003 and its time the world follows suit with it.

    What is so wrong with world peace?

    This letter will be copied and written in over 100 languages to be broadcasted.

    The people at your company should stop censuring the truth. We now its hard but
    maybe you need to accept some facts in life.

    Israel is guilty of war crimes. What is so weird is that they did exactly what the NATZI"S
    did to them in the 1930's through 1945 and they also followed suit in fashion of the Communist Party.

    Mr. Fisher is about world peace starting in the Middle East. Let him represent America with Al Gore and Cynthia McKinney now. Let Constitutional Crisis take place. The entire world is now watching how your publication is reacting.

    We will find each of your homes and addresses and publish them world-wide.

    It's your fault if that happens. You continue the cover up and we at Interpol for one will release that pertinent information.

    Ezra Folson
    http://www.interpol.int/
    ezrafolson@yahoo.gr
    posted 07/30/2007 at 09:24:09
    Clinton-Obama Proxy Throwdown! Axelrod and Wolfson Play Hardball
    Now for more evidence on Hillary Clinton

    http://twincities.indymedia.org/newswire/display/29107/index.php posted 07/30/2007 at 12:53:06
    Well, the truth is coming out and now lets read more about Hillary and Obama.

    http://www.apfn.net/MESSAGEBOARD/10-20-06/discussion.cgi.42.html

    posted 07/30/2007 at 12:48:21
    Now read more about how John Edwards fooled America in 2004. Its a shame that his wife is sick.

    Maybe God is sending a message to John to drop out.

    http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2007/01/124648.shtml

    posted 07/30/2007 at 12:45:44
    Lets now talk about John Edwards. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:39:39
    Hillary is finished. She had Fisher incarcerated for 5 months but he is free now and exposing even more about her.

    Hillary Clinton endorsed Fisher in 2004. Fisher learned the truth about her early last spring but he made sure the voice recording the CIA provided for him to review were 100% her voice from the white House to BayPoint School. It took months to do but it was true. So on January 26th, 2007 Fisher called from a cell phone her Senate office and read an email entitled Queen Hillary which was eight pages long in detail written by another person about the 44 people she had eliminated.

    Agent Hardin from the Secret Service was attached to Mrs Clinton as well as Mr. Fisher so she had to arrest Fisher for threat to harm the former first lady. Fisher is a man of God and they twisted the words from the email to make the charge. Mr. Fisher decided to plead guilty and get time served after five months in jail.

    Hillary is quite disturbed that he is out because a writer/journalist wrote a documentary about Jeff Fisher when he ran for Congress against the now disgraced Mark Foley. Mr. Fisher is one man who ran for Congress who is about God, Country and Freedom. He is a Pro Life Pro Peace Democrat.
    He was on the ticket listed as a Democrat but the people knew him as a Constitutional Progressive Liberal Democrat.

    He is seen everyday walking all around DC going from one embassy to another talking about his peace plan he wrote in 2003.

    He already has three embassies among the 44 he has visited over the past two plus weeks that are ready to boycott Israel for their participation in Baypoint School and the theft of the 2000, 2002,2004 and 2006 elections and whats even worse the Venice Flight School and September 11th, 2001 and the aftermath of war with Afganistan and Iraq.

    posted 07/30/2007 at 12:38:47
    Now for the real story.

    Come to DC and meet Jeff Fisher and Patrick J Fitzgerald as they restore America.

    posted 07/30/2007 at 12:23:37
    Now Keith is a great guy, Keith gets to talk about Jeff Fisher again. Here is an old link about that from 2004.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6368819/

    Now lets jump forward to May of 2006.
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_archive.html

    Now lets jump forward to June of 2006.
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_archive.html

    Now July
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_07_01_archive.html

    Now August
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_archive.html

    Now September
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_09_01_archive.html

    Now October
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.html

    Now November
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_11_01_archive.html

    Now December
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_12_01_archive.html

    Now January 2007
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html

    posted 07/30/2007 at 12:22:11
    Bingo and you should see how she was involved with BayPoint School from 1997. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:13:27
    I would not know that but they are two rotten peas in a pod so they could be dating. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:12:47
    You don't have to swear but I agree with you.
    You should see what Jeff Fisher is doing in DC right now that the administration is losing lots of sleep and hair over. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:11:57
    Wait till you see the truth about Obama. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:10:25
    Mr. Matthews is finished. Last year he met with Jeff Fisher and covered up the evidence regarding BayPoint School. Now Jeff Fisher is going to testify against Vice President Richard B Cheney and the connection and coverup of the American Turkish Council and its direct relationship with Baypoint School. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:09:25
    Clinton-Obama Proxy Throwdown! Axelrod and Wolfson Play Hardball
    Oh the press is always trying to control things.

    this time Americans win and we get to thank one man for not giving up. Jeff Fisher

    This is a true American. One who does think about every citizen.

    Mr. Fisher, you are going to make a great Secretary of Peace with Al Gore and Cynthia MCKinney. Do I explain Constitutional Crisis now?

    Nah!!!!!!!!!!!! Let the media try explaining that.

    Gooood Morning AMERICA. I think Robin Williams will have a field day with this event in American History. My goodness, Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford on the same page helping Mr. Fisher in 2006.

    posted 07/30/2007 at 13:18:46
    Oh the crap is about to hit the fan and Obama and Hillary are both going to drop out.

    Jeff Fisher is going to testify against Vice President Richard B Cheney and Hillary and Obama are involved in this particular court case. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:13:42

    EzraFolson
    Recent comments by this user
    Lessons Not Learned
    I agree but there are now 20 memeber of the congress that are onboard to impeach Cheney.

    I think some of it is because Jeff Fisher keeps going to embassies and human rights group seeking help in exposing the absolute truth behind BayPoint School.

    posted 08/07/2007 at 17:21:08
    Now that is a loaded question.

    Why don't you all ask Jeff Fisher.

    He is the man that is making Democrats and Republicans sweat a lot.

    Now lets see if a link can be saved here,

    http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/08/07/18439338.php

    posted 08/07/2007 at 17:18:17
    Clinton Cleavage Controversy Reaches New Heights
    Your wish and many more are going to happen.

    You can thank one man who did not fail America.

    Democrat Jeff Fisher who discovered the absolute truth on July 27th 2004 about BAyPoint School.

    Google AL Gore Jeff Fisher
    This is what the media has been trying to censure

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Al+Gore+Jeff+Fisher&btnG=Google+Search
    posted 07/31/2007 at 08:07:42
    White House Salaries Released: Rove, Senior Aides Get $2,800 Boost
    Rove is finished thanks to Jeff Fisher.

    posted 07/30/2007 at 14:22:09
    Ex-Rep. McKinney Sues Atlanta Journal-Constitution For Libel
    very good observation. I would love to meet this person and present them to the NAACP in Baltimore MD.

    Here is another link about Mr. Fisher who defends all Americans, even racists and jerks because they have the right to be that way.

    http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/134697/index.php

    You all like to say you want freedom. Well one man in America made sure you are going to get your rights restored.

    So many in power have tried to stop him. Both Democrats and Republicans.

    posted 07/30/2007 at 14:03:02
    You are a smart person who sees the truth above the deception that America has been forceed by FOX and CNN since 2001.

    Europe has known the truth for a long time.
    posted 07/30/2007 at 13:56:42
    That is a subject that keeps getting asked for Mr. Fisher to investigate. Divsion 5 of the FBI is holding back the truth, posted 07/30/2007 at 13:54:44
    My goodness, you are so concerned about looks.

    Its supposed to be about We the People.

    You are the type of person who would vote for Paris Hilton.
    posted 07/30/2007 at 13:53:32
    Leave Jesse and Al alone.

    You want real scandals then lets look at BayPoint School and election Fraud and 9-11.

    You all are been living in a police state to long. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:52:01
    False, there is evidence that points the opposite direction. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:50:39
    Bingo and its AIPAC posted 07/30/2007 at 13:50:00
    Please don't use the Lord's name in vain. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:49:14
    Now understand that Ms McKinney was always correct about 9-11. It was Mr. Fisher who discovered the absolute truth about BayPoint School and its direct connection to the American Turkish Counsel. That is what Vice president Richard B Cheney is very involved with. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:48:02
    Now like you said, read the posts and see what BayPoint School is all about.

    posted 07/30/2007 at 13:45:38
    You are such a rude man? Or are you a woman?

    posted 07/30/2007 at 13:44:58
    No I work for Interpol. He is one of my assignments. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:44:23
    I think you need to read the absolute facts that are going to court in DC for your rights to be protected. Mr. Dictatortot, you need to get God in your life. McKinney is not a racist! I think you might be one though. I am so glad that Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and now Louis Farrakhan will be coming to DC to sit down with Jeff Fisher and the atrocities of BayPoint School and to black teenagers.

    Come out of your cave and face the truth.

    http://www.noi.org/
    http://www.rainbowpush.org/
    http://www.nationalactionnetwork.net/

    http://www.ntimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=4327&topic=votingissues

    Now look at this link and see more traitors
    http://www.ntimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=4828&topic=votingissues

    They all conspired against Al Gore and Tipper
    With Democrats like this who needs to worry about
    Republicans.

    Go Mr. Fisher make it all happen.
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2007/07/63159.php

    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2007/07/63162.php

    The good news on this is that Maxine Waters has come to her senses and is signed on to impeach Richard B Cheney. Now will Nancy Pelosi and Diane Fienstein sign on also or will they instead pledge their allegiance to AIPAC instead. They are supposed to represent Americans first and always.

    The additional links in the post are quite revealing.


    http://arkansas.indymedia.org/newswire/display/21054/index.php


    posted 07/30/2007 at 13:43:04
    I would say that too and that is what is happening in Washington DC because of Jeff Fisher. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:04:20
    I think you may change your mind when you see what Patrick J Fitzgerald and Jeff Fisher are going to present in court against Vice President Richard B Cheney. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:02:12
    Well maybe it has something to do with Jeff Fisher testifying against Vice President Richard B Cheney. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:00:50
    Gonzales Career Marked By 'Misstatements And Omissions' In Defense Of Bush Policies
    Well he will change his smile to a frown when he goes to jail because Jeff Fisher is going to testify against GONZO along with testifying against Dick Cheney. posted 07/30/2007 at 14:21:21
    guess who is going to testify against Gonzo?

    Jeff Fisher, Fitzgerald's next case. posted 07/30/2007 at 14:20:14
    Elizabeth Edwards Speaks Out Against Media Consolidation, for Net Neutrality, at BlogHer 2007
    To the moderator please come to DC and meet Jeff Fisher face to face on Saturday on the steps of the Supreme Court House or better how about at this address.

    Bond Federal Building
    1400 New York Avenue, NW, Ninth Floor
    Washington D.C. 20530

    There are several coffee shops in the area.
    Bring some money since Mr. Fisher has been ruined financially for uncovering the absolute truth about BayPoint School. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:09:51
    America's true colors are going to be showing again thanks to Jeff Fisher and his testifying in Washington DC against Cheney, Rove, Chertov, Gonzalez and Hillary Clinton. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:04:36
    Oh the media is quite controlled. Just ask Jeff Fisher. CNN barred him from the Omni Center in Atlanta even though he was presenting them with his last original copy of his qui tam that was meant for his friend, Cynthia McKinney. don't worry, it ended up in the hands of Eric Titwell at
    http://www.thekingcenter.org/tkc/index.asp

    Jeff Fisher was blessed by MLK in 1967.


    posted 07/30/2007 at 13:02:43
    Now is the time for the truth to be told.

    Stay tuned because Patrick J Fitzgerald has one more court case that brings back Democracy and true justice to America again.

    Jeff Fisher is about to testify against Vice President Richard B Cheney regarding the American Turkish Council and its direct connection to BayPoint School. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:57:17
    After the Next 9/11
    Well, I think that you might want to know all about Jeff Fisher who is testifying against Vice President of The United States Richard B Cheney. We in Greece are glad that one
    American did not get corrupted by the American Turkish Council and there direct connection to BayPoint School.

    Mr. Fisher gave a tremendous interview the other day to one of our reporters in the National Press Club Building in Washington DC.
    We have verified all his information and evidence. We wish him God Speed and that true Democracy comes back to America. We also are asking our government to join the three other nations that are going to enact a total boycott of Israel due to its participation of Election Theft on a world-wide scale and for the events of September 11th, 2001 and the millions of lost lives fighting an unjust war.

    We know its an upward battle but like Mr. Jeff Fisher, We Greeks have a strong belief in Jesus Christ also. Mr. Fisher wrote a very good peace plan in 2003 and its time the world follows suit with it.

    What is so wrong with world peace?

    This letter will be copied and written in over 100 languages to be broadcasted.

    The people at your company should stop censuring the truth. We now its hard but
    maybe you need to accept some facts in life.

    Israel is guilty of war crimes. What is so weird is that they did exactly what the NATZI"S
    did to them in the 1930's through 1945 and they also followed suit in fashion of the Communist Party.

    Mr. Fisher is about world peace starting in the Middle East. Let him represent America with Al Gore and Cynthia McKinney now. Let Constitutional Crisis take place. The entire world is now watching how your publication is reacting.

    We will find each of your homes and addresses and publish them world-wide.

    It's your fault if that happens. You continue the cover up and we at Interpol for one will release that pertinent information.

    Ezra Folson
    http://www.interpol.int/
    ezrafolson@yahoo.gr
    posted 07/30/2007 at 09:24:09
    Clinton-Obama Proxy Throwdown! Axelrod and Wolfson Play Hardball
    Now for more evidence on Hillary Clinton

    http://twincities.indymedia.org/newswire/display/29107/index.php posted 07/30/2007 at 12:53:06
    Well, the truth is coming out and now lets read more about Hillary and Obama.

    http://www.apfn.net/MESSAGEBOARD/10-20-06/discussion.cgi.42.html

    posted 07/30/2007 at 12:48:21
    Now read more about how John Edwards fooled America in 2004. Its a shame that his wife is sick.

    Maybe God is sending a message to John to drop out.

    http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2007/01/124648.shtml

    posted 07/30/2007 at 12:45:44
    Lets now talk about John Edwards. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:39:39
    Hillary is finished. She had Fisher incarcerated for 5 months but he is free now and exposing even more about her.

    Hillary Clinton endorsed Fisher in 2004. Fisher learned the truth about her early last spring but he made sure the voice recording the CIA provided for him to review were 100% her voice from the white House to BayPoint School. It took months to do but it was true. So on January 26th, 2007 Fisher called from a cell phone her Senate office and read an email entitled Queen Hillary which was eight pages long in detail written by another person about the 44 people she had eliminated.

    Agent Hardin from the Secret Service was attached to Mrs Clinton as well as Mr. Fisher so she had to arrest Fisher for threat to harm the former first lady. Fisher is a man of God and they twisted the words from the email to make the charge. Mr. Fisher decided to plead guilty and get time served after five months in jail.

    Hillary is quite disturbed that he is out because a writer/journalist wrote a documentary about Jeff Fisher when he ran for Congress against the now disgraced Mark Foley. Mr. Fisher is one man who ran for Congress who is about God, Country and Freedom. He is a Pro Life Pro Peace Democrat.
    He was on the ticket listed as a Democrat but the people knew him as a Constitutional Progressive Liberal Democrat.

    He is seen everyday walking all around DC going from one embassy to another talking about his peace plan he wrote in 2003.

    He already has three embassies among the 44 he has visited over the past two plus weeks that are ready to boycott Israel for their participation in Baypoint School and the theft of the 2000, 2002,2004 and 2006 elections and whats even worse the Venice Flight School and September 11th, 2001 and the aftermath of war with Afganistan and Iraq.

    posted 07/30/2007 at 12:38:47
    Now for the real story.

    Come to DC and meet Jeff Fisher and Patrick J Fitzgerald as they restore America.

    posted 07/30/2007 at 12:23:37
    Now Keith is a great guy, Keith gets to talk about Jeff Fisher again. Here is an old link about that from 2004.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6368819/

    Now lets jump forward to May of 2006.
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_archive.html

    Now lets jump forward to June of 2006.
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_archive.html

    Now July
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_07_01_archive.html

    Now August
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_archive.html

    Now September
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_09_01_archive.html

    Now October
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.html

    Now November
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_11_01_archive.html

    Now December
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2006_12_01_archive.html

    Now January 2007
    http://nomorefraud.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html

    posted 07/30/2007 at 12:22:11
    Bingo and you should see how she was involved with BayPoint School from 1997. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:13:27
    I would not know that but they are two rotten peas in a pod so they could be dating. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:12:47
    You don't have to swear but I agree with you.
    You should see what Jeff Fisher is doing in DC right now that the administration is losing lots of sleep and hair over. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:11:57
    Wait till you see the truth about Obama. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:10:25
    Mr. Matthews is finished. Last year he met with Jeff Fisher and covered up the evidence regarding BayPoint School. Now Jeff Fisher is going to testify against Vice President Richard B Cheney and the connection and coverup of the American Turkish Council and its direct relationship with Baypoint School. posted 07/30/2007 at 12:09:25
    Clinton-Obama Proxy Throwdown! Axelrod and Wolfson Play Hardball
    Oh the press is always trying to control things.

    this time Americans win and we get to thank one man for not giving up. Jeff Fisher

    This is a true American. One who does think about every citizen.

    Mr. Fisher, you are going to make a great Secretary of Peace with Al Gore and Cynthia MCKinney. Do I explain Constitutional Crisis now?

    Nah!!!!!!!!!!!! Let the media try explaining that.

    Gooood Morning AMERICA. I think Robin Williams will have a field day with this event in American History. My goodness, Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford on the same page helping Mr. Fisher in 2006.

    posted 07/30/2007 at 13:18:46
    Oh the crap is about to hit the fan and Obama and Hillary are both going to drop out.

    Jeff Fisher is going to testify against Vice President Richard B Cheney and Hillary and Obama are involved in this particular court case. posted 07/30/2007 at 13:13:42

    vote for Gore... online!
    Posted July 19th, 2007 by gorewon2000 in Al Gore Politics
    CNN is linking to an online poll that could use more Gore votes:

    http://www.2008presidentialpoll.com/

    Please vote in it, and share the link with your own groups.

    Also, I think we should each pledge to write at least one newspaper letter to our local papers and at least one to a newspaper that has a national reach in support of Gore for president. Letters to the editor do not take a lot of effort, and they can reach a massive audience. Not all letters get printed, but if a news outlet gets flooded with letters on an issue then they're likely to print at least one as a representative.

    The most obvious newspapers with a national audience are:

    The New York Times letters@nytimes.com
    The Washington Post letters@washpost.com
    USA Today letters@usatoday.com

    Let the day begin!

    Ben

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    The absolute Truth about why Al Gore will be President
    On July 19th, 2007 Jeff Fisher said:
    The truth why Al Gore will be President
    On July 9th, 2007 Jeff Fisher said:
    Reasons why Jeff Fisher fights for Al Gore and Freedom
    On July 9th, 2007 Jeff Fisher said:
    Mr. Gore

    Jeff Fisher is ready for you now in Washington DC

    The Book An American Patriot by Gary Koniz is the icing on the cake.

    I never gave up sir. I only told the truth about Baypoint School and July 27th 2004 and December 8th 2004. I can not let down America and the world for the atrocities that Baypoint School is responsible for.

    Our Elections being manipulated and the truth behind 9-11.

    An historical documentary about the 2004 Congressional Campaign of Jeffrey Fisher who ran for the 16th District in Florida against Mark Foley

    http://www.lulu.com/content/743942

    Product Details:
    Printed: 499 pages, 6" x 9", perfect binding, black and white interior ink
    PDF (1497 kb)

    Download: 1 documents (PDF), 1497 KB
    Publisher: Gary Koniz
    Copyright: © 2007 Standard Copyright License
    Language: English
    Country: United States

    Mr. Gore, I continue to pray for you and Tipper and Tom Heneghan and Mary Schneider and of course my love Jane Bowell.

    The Truth Shall Prevail

    I am so glad I had placed my hand on the plough and never looked back.

    Signed,
    An American Patriot Jeff Fisher

    File name: Election_Manipulation_of_2000_2002_2004.doc

    Wayne Madsen
    Sources close to U.S. intelligence pointed to a $29.6 million check supposedly issued on October 22, 2004, by Laurentian Bank in Montreal, Canada, that was rumored by intelligence circles to have been used to pay for the technicians who developed the software to rig the election. The computer voting machine technicians and maintenance personnel involved with the rigging were reported to have included Russians, Mexicans, and Brazilians.

    http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MAD412A.html

    find email from Blass

    Possible connection to Blass, Klock and $10,000.

    Journalist information
    Russell Baker (Nation Magazine) has interviewed Sean Lennon on Nov. 12, 2004 and had Sean verbally confirm that there is documentation regarding election fraud.

    FBI Meeting
    Monday November 11th, 2004 late afternoon approx. 5:00 P.M.

    Al Rogers, Jeff Fisher-Agent Jeff Fativa-2nd agent name unknown

    505 Flagler Drive, West Palm Beach, Florida

    (305) 944-9101

    Approx. time of meeting two hours
    November 17th, 2004

    Sent fax to Miami FBI office. The fax was a copy of an email stating that Dr. Blass demanding loyalty to obtain information from Sean Lennon. ________________________________________________________________________________

    Hard copy
    Mailed to Omaha full text copy of an email from Paul S. Otellini of Intel. (Paperwork from Sean S. Lennon, seanlennon@cyberbless.com taken while he went to the bathroom) This is dated from mid 2004 relating to funding for specific development costs of a specialized BIOS in the chip set for randomly placed voting machines to ensure the final vote tally on the North Carolina U.S. Senate Race.

    *Mailed to a plastic surgeon in Manhattan a 1999 full text email from Henry D.G. Wallace to Joseph Klock verifying payment will continue on schedule for recruiting and training costs.

    See ***
    *Mailed to an investigator in London, two1998 full text emails. (Located nearby to the Tube’s Southern Route.) These emails verified payment to Joseph Klock from Alan J. Weber-CitiBank.

    Mr. Weber’s expertise was in technology transactions through the Pacific Rim
    See ***
    **This information is where Bev Harris has to investigate further. I don’t have the resources to undergo the connection between Diebold and Global Election Systems but this where at least some of the financing for the 2000 general election originated from. VoteRemote was mentioned and absentee vote tally.

    Sent original copy to London for safekeeping.

    (I have tried on several occasions to reach the person who has this information)

    The person goes by the name of James Lawrence and he lives in Liverpool. That is whom I sent that information on July 30, 2004.

    This document was a banking record from the Cayman Islands. It had handwritten notes on it linking a team of airplane mechanics who would be used to sabotage Senator Paul Wellstone airplane to insure that he didn’t survive. The initials on the letter were JA –AJ

    I was shocked to see this and realized that the letters possibly stood for John Ashcroft, Attorney General. The note was dated January 2, 2002.

    Further names listed found on Dr. Piotr Blass computer in his home.

    Discovered in August of 2004 while Dr. Blass was teaching at Key College in Dania Beach, Florida over a period of days.

    One email mentioning psychological studies on election tactics that could be used in 2000. This was dated on Dr. Blass’s computer May 1, 2000. It was sent from to Dr Cole baypointmc@aol.com

    One email sent to Charles Figley cfigley@garnet.acns.fsu.edu letting him know that Jeff Fisher has obtained information from Sean to relay to Kerry. Dated: July 27, 2004
    One email sent to Mike Razar mjrx@aol.com letting him know that Jeff Fisher has obtained information from Sean to relay to Kerry. Dated: July 28, 2004
    (What I don’t understand is that Mike Razar was giving advice to Piotr on having his son released from Growing Together. I remember overhearing Piotr mentioning to his son, Oscar that Mike had a plan that would involve physical force like Entebbe to free David.)

    One email sent to Adam Michnik adam.michnik@agora.pl letting him know that Jeff Fisher has obtained information from Sean and that David would be release soon thanks to negotiations between Joe Klock and Mel Sembler.
    Dated: July 29, 2004
    (I questioned Piotr about Joe Klock and his relationship with Mel Sembler and having David released from Growing Together. Dr. Blass told me he needed ten thousand dollars to get David released and he was contemplating contacting Joe for the needed funds.)

    (Why would a friend of Piotr’s in Poland be concerned about the election information that I obtained from Sean?)

    I understood the reason about seeking help for his son and why he might consider soliciting financial help from friends and colleagues.

    Email received from borowskibiuro@wp.pl stating deposit for 100,000.00 zł waiting for instructions regarding military applications in the Baltic Region and for the project in North Carolina.

    Cc: Michael Wynne. Dated October 20, 2003.

    One email sent to Jeb Bush stating that the project at Bay Point was going well and testing was almost complete. Dated March 1, 2000.

    Two emails sent to Katherine Harris requesting information on State Representative Tom Feeney and hired consultant Clint Curtis.

    Dated September 20th and October 10th 2000.

    One email sent to Theresa Lepore informing her that her design was approved and tested at Bay Point for one purpose. To test and analyze the psychological distress among the elderly, especially the Jewish population in West Palm Beach and Boca Raton regarding the placement of punch holes on the ballot referring to Patrick Buchannon. October 20, 2000

    E-mail sent to Sean Lennon asking if coding for Cibola, McKinley County and Socorro County were in place. Dated July 1, 2004

    The following signature was on this email.

    (F3 tav)2

    (3.14E+00 /r2) Bay studies verified at Key. Encryption 100%

    Two emails sent to Mel Sembler.

    First email was from March 2000 stating he needed more funds toward the creation of a new program.

    The second was from June of 2002 stating that testing was finalized in Louisiana and Georgia for the upcoming Democratic Gubernatorial Primary in September. The methodology was to create vote swapping between Daryl Jones and Janet Reno. This was to take place so Bill McBride would be the Democratic candidate facing Governor Jeb Bush.

    Three emails sent to John_CALHOUN@pba.edu from Dr. Piotr Blass and cc: Dr. Cole

    The first email stating that all was forgiven and five stars were providing assistance for Theresa for upcoming primary. Dated June 1, 2004

    The second email stated that a transfer of £200,000.00 would transfer from the United Emirates to a bank in New Zealand designated for Palm Beach, Butte, Campbell and Codington Counties for November 2nd 2004 U.S. Senate Races. Dated July 26, 2004.

    The third email stated that a transfer of £250,000.00 would transfer from the United Emirates to a bank in New Zealand designated for Cuyahoga, Warren, Butte, Campbell and Codington Counties for November 2nd 2004 Presidential Race. Dated July 31, 2004.

    Meeting with Sean Lennon

    July 27, 2004

    Location: Public Library, (Town)

    2nd floor

    Internet access

    Sean directs me to his web-site plus two others that are under construction.

    In the published web site, (http://www.cyberbless.com) he shows me a backdoor entrance that he password protected. In side the site he had a link to the other two sites where he had stored some information.

    He then told me about how Bay Point School was training some of the kids in computerized programming that he was in charge of. Sean also told me that that these kids and prior ones were also being trained by a former instructor and another one before that one. That this specific training and testing dates as far back as 1996, Sean informed me. He wouldn’t tell me anymore on this. Sean then elaborated that Joseph Klock was sexually abusing the kids and that this training was their only way out of being abused.

    I remember asking Sean why was he being so secretive about this since I was working so hard to get Piotr’s son out of Growing Together in Lake Worth, Florida. He said that it was related through the Straight program. Sean then went on to tell me that the kids were writing election software that would change the outcome of the 2000 Florida General Election Results to ensure that the Republican ticket were to win the Presidential race. He told me that the way they were going to do it was by using the names of Felons whose names were purged and not purged to cast votes electronically in several counties without their knowledge. The coding of software would create under and over voting leaning toward a specific candidate that would appear unpremeditated to the average voting inspector who might try to establish an audit trail. He told me the names of a few counties where it would take place, Miami-Dade, Broward, Polk and Volusia. He said that they were going to use ten counties to manipulate the vote.

    He then proceeded to open one folder (labeled BPS) inside the directory to reveal several sub folders, which he informed me, had incriminating files regarding Bay Point School and election tampering from 1996 to 2004.

    These folders were listed as 1996, 1997,1998,1999,2000,2001,2002,2003,2004. He opened 1999, 2000, 2001,2002 and 2004, one at a time over the next two plus hours.

    Inside he had scanned e-mails and Intranet communications at Bay Point School that he had intercepted though the present system. Sean then on his own decided to look through archived hard drives because he felt he was being used as the fall guy. This is when he told me that as an ex marine he had faced fear but he learned that someone who worked with him that had been missing was actually murdered. He told me he went to Dr. Blass with this information back in 2003. He told me that Blass said to remain quiet until he found a reliable and trustworthy person who could pass the information onto the proper authorities.

    1999- shown scanned e-mails from Joseph Klock and Katherine Harris, Joseph Klock and Mel Sembler, Joseph Klock and State Representative Tom Feeney regarding the progress of Clinton Curtis, Joseph Klock and Theresa Lepore and Joseph Klock and Governor Jeb Bush.

    Katherine Harris-This folder he showed me one e-mail. There were at least dozen more that he wouldn’t open. His reason was that I had to get this much information to Kerry as soon as possible. I needed to prove my loyalty to protecting him as well as Dr. Blass. The email consisted of maintaining communications for finances between Joseph Klock, her and Mel Sembler.
    Mel Sembler-Two emails opened. Ten more that he wouldn’t open. The first email stated that Mel Sembler would continue funding along with other individuals from New York, California, Texas, Ohio and overseas for the completion of the project to make George W. Bush the next president of the United States. The second email said that trainees (clients) from Straight and other affiliates would be transported to Bay Point or to Louisiana, Georgia or California after the General Election to continue the project in newer and bolder avenues for further elections in the upcoming millennium.
    State Representative Tom Feeney- three emails opened-six more remained unopened. The first email stated that Katherine Harris and Theresa Lepore were in discussion of designing a ballot that would create havoc in Palm Beach County. It main purpose was to act as a diversion while the operation from Bay Point and the work from other programmers in California and Florida would take place from computer terminals inside several SOE offices in Florida.
    The second email mentioned that Clint Curtis was one of the programmers who created a workable version with help from Bay Point notes mailed to him. (This is from 1999-Clint’s version tells everyone that he was contacted in 2000)

    The third email mentioned that Tom Feeney would be guaranteed a win in 2002 for the U.S. House of Representatives by the incoming Administration for his efforts.

    D. Theresa Lepore-Two emails opened-Six remained unopened. First email stating that she contact the Secretary of State to inform her the programming and trial tests were completed and ran at 100% with no possible way to audit the results back to the original source. The tests were run one hundred times at three different locations located in Miami-Dade County, Broward County and Charlotte County.

    The second email was a confirmation letter from Teresa Lepore saying that she had contacted the Secretary of State with the good news.

    E. Governor Jeb Bush-Two emails opened. Ten unopened. First email stated that the Governor could inform the team in Texas that all trials were at 100%.

    The second was that Joseph Klock distance himself from an attorney on his Board of Directors. No name was given. (I believe it might be Roy Black)

    The only time I met Roy Black was the night of December 2nd, 2004 going over some of the information that I gave to the FBI on I believe was November 8th, 2004. The reason being that Agent Jeff Fativa had informed Al Rogers and I not to reveal any information beyond what was placed on the web-site. He and the other agent informed us that if we did reveal any other information we might be obstructing the law regarding the ongoing investigation and face possible arrest.

    2000- shown scanned e-mails from Joseph Klock and Karen Hughes, Joseph Klock and Katherine Harris, Joseph Klock and Michael Bilarikis and Joseph Klock and Connie Mack.

    Karen Hughes-verified email stating the final results would have her candidate with a one thousand to two thousand vote lead insuring Florida went to the GOP. (May, June or July)
    Michael Bilarikis-shown email that Mel Sembler was funding him not just for his political career but to arrange a channel of communication between Bay Point and the Secretary of State for Florida, Katherine Harris on November 2nd, 2000.
    Connie Mack-One e-mail opened-Three remained unopened. Confirmation of payment from Mel Sembler to the Congressman for services rendered to Michael Bilarakis and Katherine Harris for channeling funds from overseas toward the project in California and Florida.
    2001- showed scanned e-mails from Joseph Klock, Linda Fisher and Lawrence Lindsey and informed of an Intranet communication between Klock and one of the programmers. Scanned e-mail from Joseph Klock that was cc: Italian Ambassador Mel Sembler, United Kingdom Minister for E-commerce and Competitiveness Douglas Alexander and Porter Goss.

    This e-mail mentioned that CitiBank and Banco Sao Paulo didn’t received the scheduled transaction from Monsanto and questioned the specific Intranet communiqué regarding the validity of intelligence from J.G. Roche.
    The possibilities of channeling funds through e-commerce were being reviewed in the United Kingdom and Italy upon the success of the 2002 Florida General Election.
    Email received from Douglas Alexander to Porter Goss and Joseph Klock stating that monies
    transferred from Beijing to Zurich to J.M. and C. Group. (I have to thank Ken Martin of Bermuda Dunes, California for last summer while cooking on the barbecue we were talking about politics and he brought up the subject of the Carlyle Group and James Baker. I then solved the riddle of the group and have come up with the possibility that J.M. might be the former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom John Major)

    2002- shown scanned e-mail from Joseph Klock to Jeb Bush and Charlie Crist,

    E-mail dated after the 2002 Florida Democratic Primary (Mid to late September) stating that the felons’ procedure was a success in the election of Bill McBride over Janet Reno and Darryl Jones.
    2003- shown scanned e-mail from Joseph Klock to Jeb Bush, Charlie Crist and Porter Goss.

    E-mail dated August 7th or 8th, 2003 stating that procedures were going as planned in the nations capitol and there would be no repeat of legal battles for the upcoming 2004 election.

    Re-election was guaranteed and Porter would be taking a new position in the administration.

    2004- shown scanned e-mail from Joseph Klock to Jeb Bush, Charlie Crist cc: H. Ahmanson and Mel Sembler.

    Email stated that additional funds would be redirected through the Chalcedon Institute for Kerry Martin and Todd Urosevich. July 20, 2004

    shown scanned letter from Joseph Klock to H. Ahmanson cc: Jonathan Waters

    additional funding needed for wireless network in Ohio and North Carolina

    CC: Mobile Data Solutions, Inc July 20, 2004

    Shown scanned copies of a letter that stated funds would be allocated to South Dakota,

    Ohio, New Mexico and Iowa for payment of intermittent electrical problems to occur at specified voting precincts. The addresses were blacked out. Sean told me he might be able to locate the addresses on the server when he is at the school again. (see Key College)

    Information obtained at Key College in August of 2004

    The addresses that this letter was mailed to was located on a three computer terminals

    In August at Key College from an account that Dr. Piotr Blass was using to create 5th dimensional magic square art from. The addresses were in the signature file.

    2 Addiscombe Road Talcahuano 650 Rm 1212, 12/F, Tower E3, Oriental Plaza
    Croydon 1013 Buenos Aires No. 1, East Chang An Ave.,
    CR9 5AF Argentina Dong Cheng District
    England Beijing, China 100738

    Discovered an email from Dr. Cole to Piotr that was talking about a termination notice of an investigator for the Florida Department of Transportation scheduled to take place on June 29, 2003. Funds would be provided by Mr. Baker and picked up at a mail drop in Miami. Piotr was to schedule one of his students to do an errand by driving to the following address and pick up the package. The address was P.O. Box 611374, Miami, FL. Dated June 26 2003.

    Another email was relating to Michael Wynne dated October 30, 2003. The email mentioned the distribution of hardware in predominately African American precincts throughout the state of North Carolina.

    The email stated that further instructions would be mailed from the California project out of Santa Cruz. The letter would be mailed from 1575 Soquel Dr.

    Email from Dr. Cole to Piotr Blass, Sean S Lennon and cc: Southeastern Legal Foundation

    Additional funding secured for UniLect ‘s Project Youngstown to commence testing random computer shutdown for precinct evaluation. March 30, 2004

    Email listing project “Operation Protest” Garry Malphrus –Matt Schlapp-Tom Pyle-Layna McConkey-Kevin Smith

    Dated November 10th 2000. Email from Dr.Cole to Chuck Royal. Cc: Piotr Blass, Sid Bernstein

    Email from Dr. Piotr Blass to RMS at Southeastern Legal Foundation thanking them for funding his Zeozync project. The second part of the letter was directed and I am quoting the text. “Congratulation on working with AIPAC, defending Israel and funding the efforts to oust Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney” Dated: April 1, 2002

    Information obtained at Kaiser College in October of 2004

    Location Southern Blvd. West Palm Beach

    I was helping Dr. Piotr Blass teach a class on 5th dimensional mathematics when he received a phone call (cell) from Sean Lennon. Why I remember this is because Piotr never gets angry and he started to scream at Sean on the phone in front of the students. He started yelling at Sean and told him that the sixth fractal was perfected and the programming was flawless. He said the people in Charlotte and Santa Clara have spent enough time and money. Get the code to work for Project Youngstown or else. When he realized that I had heard him, Piotr told me that he was just overwrought because David wasn’t free yet.

    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Twenty that I will protect

    Jennifer Lynn Ellis (Fundraiser for Al Sharpton ,Public Relations for Robert Trent Jones Jr. Phil Spector’s Ex- Fiancée) (Threat on the phone for her was they would rape, slice and burn her face)
    Al Rogers (Third campaign manager) (Threat-Car accident)
    Ellen Brodsky (Broward County Election Activist-Election Protection) (Threat-Car accident)
    Susan Van Houghten ( Palm Beach Voter Coalition) (Threat-Fire)
    Bill Faulkner (Verified Voting) (Threat-Death)
    David Dill (Verified Voting) (Threat-Death)
    Benjamin Roth (Campaign staff) (Threat-fire)
    Jamie Irene Fisher (Daughter) (Threat-Rape)
    Diane Smith (campaign staff) (Threat-Rape)
    Dr. Patrick Brennan (Okeechobee DEC President) Threat-(Boating accident)
    Reverend William Shelton (Ft. Pierce) man who converted me from Judaism to a Southern Baptist (Threat-Burn his church)
    Rose Jean Swords (Cousin)-Rape
    Chris Petley Florida Democratic Party employee (Tallahassee) (broken bones)
    Joseph T. Brink Husband to Nancy Pena Brink-She helped me get my campaign going in 2003 (broken
    Bones)

    Adina Serell Her husband Bruce and I observed faulty election tests at Theresa Lepore’s main office
    (Threat Rape)

    Ashley Diaz Daughter to Ladd and Mercedes Diaz-(Kidnapping)
    Mitch Caesar Broward County DEC Chairman (Threat accident)
    Marc Benedetti Friend-Haverhill, Ma-Threat-(We will shoot him in the head)
    Pat Nash Friend-(Works in Vermont helping Bernie Sanders Campaign) (Threat-Rape)
    Bill McBride Friend and first endorsement-(car accident)
    Greta Berlin Friend who defends Palestinian rights –We will terminate her by blowing her up.
    Emmie Ross Emme was my first campaign manager-(Threat-Rape)

    I kept this quiet to keep me safe. I let the world know it was twenty, not twenty-two.

    For the great citizens of America some more reasons for why I defend human life and Al Gore.

    Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter worked with Jeff Fisher Jackie Anne Watkins 2007-01-02 1:13 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/50723_comment.php#54177

    Jeff Fisher Logomotives Jeff Fisher 2006-12-22 6:22 AM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52768_comment.php#53876

    Attention of WWWQ - FM Radio and Program Director Jeff Fisher 2006-12-12 1:55 PM
    Rrepare to Jam and Rock the New Year!!! (text/plain)
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/53295.php

    hello Jeff Fisher 2006-12-09 11:26 AM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/53123_comment.php#53219

    Email for White Haven Direct Jeff Fisher 2006-12-01 12:51 PM
    Posting online because I am unable to email this letter due to INternet interference. See Letter to understand then post everywhere. (text/plain)
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/52974.php

    You thought you had troubles -Read this!!!!! Jeff Fisher 2006-11-27 10:15 AMhttp://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52731_comment.php#52827

    Lets talk about the INS Jeff Fisher 2006-11-27 10:01 AM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52767_comment.php#52825

    Common Ground-Life Always Jeff Fisher 2006-11-27 9:55 AM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52773_comment.php#52824

    Here is some information to Digest Jeff Fisher 2006-11-27 9:36 AM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52799_comment.php#52823

    First Amendment Rights Violated Jeff Fisher 2006-11-27 8:42 AM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52678_comment.php#52820

    Why the Press is afraid of my Court Case Jeff Fisher & Jack Lancaster 2006-11-25 2:54 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52775.php

    Today America entered a new age. An age of wonderous discoveries. An age for Peace All due to an interview on a small unknow radio station in Florida. (text/plain + 5 comments)

    The interview of Jeff Fisher and Ben Roth Robert Klein 2006-11-25 12:30 PM
    I was amazed that this got on the air. Bravo Mr. Fisher and Mr. Roth (text/plain + 1 comment)
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52768.php

    Identity theft, Fraud, and worldwide Racketeering. Jeff Fisher 2006-11-22 5:40 AM
    The Truth Shall Prevail for Christ always Protects Me Reposted due to error in Title, email address and zipcode. I am very tired trying to save America from the computer room where my father lives in Buckhead, Atlanta. I just wish he would wake up and find out I have been here for almost two days waiting for him so I can tell him I love him. (text/plain + 1 comment)
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52678.php

    God is My Guide Jeff Fisher 2006-11-14 9:32 AM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/50723_comment.php#52374

    Jeff Fisher Jeff Fisher 2006-10-06 4:44 AM
    A letter to Brad Friedman proving he is not about reporting the entire truth (text/plain + 13 comments)
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/50723.php

    Fixing Jeff Fisher 2006-09-06 11:45 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/09/49181_comment.php#49183

    A New kind of Leadership Jeff Fisher 2006-09-06 11:43 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/09/49181_comment.php#49182

    The Legacy of Ron Brown lives in his son Michael Brown Jeff Fisher 2006-09-06 11:43 PM

    The trial of Jff Fisher vs George W Bush (image/jpeg + 1 comment)

    New Leadership for America Jeff Fisher 2006-09-06 11:36 PM

    ATTENTION AMERICAN VOTERS: IT’S TIME TO TAKE BACK YOUR ELECTIONS Jeff Fisher 2006-09-06 11:36 PM
    FORMER U.S. 2004 CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE JEFF FISHER-FLORIDA DISTRICT 16 IS PREPARING TO TESTIFY AGAINST PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH REGARDING THE 2000 AND 2004 ELECTION (image/jpeg + 5 comments)
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/09/49179.php
    The added comments is done by people who a re trying to discredit me.
    I don't gamble.

    Division 5 Go Away Jeff Fisher 2006-08-18 7:56 AM

    You are a sick human being Jeff Fisher 2006-08-15 6:03 PM

    To late I already sent the truth to Al Jezeera Jeff Fisher 2006-08-15 8:39 AM

    I am writing from the National Press Club Jeff Fisher 2006-08-15 6:36 AM

    Division 5 I have GOD Jeff Fisher 2006-08-14 6:55 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47455_comment.php#47654
    Again you can see what people will do to stop the truth. Its very sick and perverse.

    My email account is not working Jeff Fisher 2006-08-14 8:34 AM

    Thank God for Intel because the media has no integrity anymore Jeff Fisher posting an email from Intel 2006-08-13 7:14 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47455_comment.php#47459

    Grieving Mothers World Wide Jeff Fisher posting an email from Intel 2006-08-13 7:14 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47455_comment.php#47458

    PeacePlan Jeff Fisher posting an email from Intel 2006-08-13 7:14 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47455_comment.php#47457

    The first photo was Isreali children practicing hate. This photo is death to the innocent Jeff Fisher posting an email from Intel 2006-08-13 7:14 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47455_comment.php#47479

    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47455_comment.php#47567

    Letter to Washington Post and Washington Times
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47324.php

    Ending Israel's and AIPAC's Control of our Elections
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47227.php

    Atlanta Journal Cover Up
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47202.php

    We the People are taking back our Democracy
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47036.php

    Tortured American Patriot by the Mossad
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/46723.php

    Unraveling the 2000 Election Conspiracy and its connection to 9-11
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/46604_comment.php#46607

    Letter to John Conyers and GWB_BITEMe@yahoo.com
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/46494.php

    The Truth is revealed on Indy Media
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/46408.php

    Clint Curtis (Deception) v Jeff Fisher (Truth)
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/46264.php

    The Truth shall Prevail to Protect the Children
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/46078.php

    The Rape of America
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/45776.php

    Visiting Congressman Grijalva
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/45599.php

    Letter to Alex Jones of Infowars.com
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/44919.php

    Treason in America
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/44917.php

    Personal note hand delivered to LA Times
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/44396.php

    2000 Election Evidence & the LA Times
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/44395.php

    2000 Election Evidence Proving Conspiracy
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/44288.php

    Some articles posted in Arkansas

    Re: The Jeff Fisher Files
    http://arkansas.indymedia.org/mod/comments/display/21352/index.php

    Many articles were taken off the indymedia arkansa site therefor I am incuding that link so you can see for yourself how much our first amendment rights have been removed from Americans (ALL AMERICANS)
    http://arkansas.indymedia.org/mod/search/dosearch/index.php?dosearch=1&s...

    MARK FOLEY AND DRUG FREE AMERICA FOUNDATION
    http://arkansas.indymedia.org/newswire/display/20304/index.php

    PRESS RELEASE: Cynthia McKinney HOLDING PRESS CONFERENCE ON ELECTION FRAUD?
    http://arkansas.indymedia.org/newswire/display/20319/index.php

    The Jeff Fisher Files
    http://arkansas.indymedia.org/newswire/display/20263/index.php

    Israel Plans on Killing our Children worse than Hitler did
    http://arkansas.indymedia.org/newswire/display/19934/index.php

    The Legacy of Ron Brown lives in his son Michael Brown
    http://arkansas.indymedia.org/newswire/display/20027/index.php

    BREAKING: Bush, Hillary and Obama on an Oil Carousel. Where's the Money!
    by Tom Heneghan Tuesday, Nov. 14, 2006 at 12:03 AM
    http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/6624.php

    CRIST REPUBLICAN OF FLORIDA LINKED TO MALE PROSTITUTION FLIGHTS TO LAS VEGAS
    by Tom Heneghan Saturday, Nov. 04, 2006 at 4:04 PM
    http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/6473.php

    REPUBLICAN HOMOSEXUAL RING WIDENS
    http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/6442.php

    LIEBERMAN, RUMSFELD & DR. ZACK NOW IN THE 9-11 MOSSAD BOX
    http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/6440.php

    WIDENING AIPAC ISRAELI ESPIONAGE
    http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/6324.php

    DEFCON 2 ALERT: CHINESE & RUSSIAN FSB IN SEATTLE -- MOSSAD ACTIVE IN MIAMI
    http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/6301.php

    BREAKING INTEL: BUSHFRAUD'S NOVEMBER SURPRISE IS A KARL ROVE TERROR SCRIPTED OPERATION
    http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/6294.php

    Rahm Emanuel heads North American Mossad + PROMIS + laundered profits to Israel/Russian
    http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/6288.php

    FRANKLIN GRAND JURY INQUIRY:Weldon,Hastert,Rahm Immanuel,AmericanTurkish Counsel,Kissinger
    http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/6228.php

    EXPLOSIVE: NORTH KOREAN NUCLEAR TEST A RUSE!
    http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/6047.php

    Back Breaking News: Special Emergency Political Alert
    http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/6011.php

    UPDATE ON BREAKING INTEL: 9/11 Now Exposed
    http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/5948.php

    HOT INTEL: 9/11 Now Exposed
    http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/5944.php

    It Gets Really Worse
    http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/09/5894.php

    HOT INTEL Frist and Lieberman: Two Rotten Scumbags
    http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/09/5847.php

    The Truth Shall Prevail and Peace will be attained in the Middle East due to a Peace Plan written in 2003

    http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/07/bush_has_18_app.php

    Bush Has 18% Approval Rating in New Jersey
    Posted by Stephanie Taylor on July 20, 2007 at 02:54 PM
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    Holy cow. According to a new poll of 800 likely voters in New Jersey, Bush's approval rating has dropped to 18%.

    The question: "Do you approve or disapprove of President Bush's overall job performance?" Of the voters polled, 18% approve, 71% disapprove, and 11% are undecided.

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    WOW! That's even lower than the 19% he's getting in Wisconsin! I especially like this line from the Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel:

    Strategic Vision is a GOP firm based in Atlanta that has polled independently in Wisconsin and several other states since 2004. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. (bold, mine)

    Bush's approval rating hits new low in state poll
    Job approval at 19%; 17% back Iraq handling


    Posted by DPD on July 20, 2007 at 04:46 PM


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    Posted by DPD on July 20, 2007 at 04:46 PM

    Good grief! Anyone else out there have polling to report from your states?

    Posted by Stephanie on July 20, 2007 at 05:04 PM


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    ROFLMAO!!!!

    Posted by Dawnie on July 20, 2007 at 05:49 PM


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    In a White House poll of the Bush crime family, only Barbara Bush approved of Spunky's performance.

    Poppy, Jeb, the Twins and their cousins, Neal (and his special friends, the Rev. Moon and that shady Russian businessman) and even Laura said they would not vote for him if he was running next November.

    Rumsfeld said he'd vote for Hillary Clinton.

    Cheney said he'd vote for "None of the above."

    Posted by SandyH on July 20, 2007 at 06:49 PM


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    Thank God that there are heros for America who do not give up.

    Reasons why Jeff Fisher fights for Al Gore and Freedom

    On July 9th, 2007 Jeff Fisher said:

    Mr. Gore

    Jeff Fisher is ready for you now in Washington DC

    The Book An American Patriot by Gary Koniz is the icing on the cake.

    I never gave up sir. I only told the truth about Baypoint School and July 27th 2004 and December 8th 2004. I can not let down America and the world for the atrocities that Baypoint School is responsible for.

    Our Elections being manipulated and the truth behind 9-11.

    An historical documentary about the 2004 Congressional Campaign of Jeffrey Fisher who ran for the 16th District in Florida against Mark Foley

    http://www.lulu.com/content/743942

    Product Details:
    Printed: 499 pages, 6" x 9", perfect binding, black and white interior ink
    PDF (1497 kb)

    Download: 1 documents (PDF), 1497 KB
    Publisher: Gary Koniz
    Copyright: © 2007 Standard Copyright License
    Language: English
    Country: United States

    Mr. Gore, I continue to pray for you and Tipper and Tom Heneghan and Mary Schneider and of course my love Jane Bowell.

    The Truth Shall Prevail

    I am so glad I had placed my hand on the plough and never looked back.

    Signed,
    An American Patriot Jeff Fisher

    For the great citizens of Arizona some more reasons for why I defend human life and Al Gore.

    Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter worked with Jeff Fisher Jackie Anne Watkins 2007-01-02 1:13 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/50723_comment.php#54177

    Jeff Fisher Logomotives Jeff Fisher 2006-12-22 6:22 AM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52768_comment.php#53876

    Attention of WWWQ - FM Radio and Program Director Jeff Fisher 2006-12-12 1:55 PM
    Rrepare to Jam and Rock the New Year!!! (text/plain)
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/53295.php

    hello Jeff Fisher 2006-12-09 11:26 AM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/53123_comment.php#53219

    Email for White Haven Direct Jeff Fisher 2006-12-01 12:51 PM
    Posting online because I am unable to email this letter due to INternet interference. See Letter to understand then post everywhere. (text/plain)
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/52974.php

    You thought you had troubles -Read this!!!!! Jeff Fisher 2006-11-27 10:15 AMhttp://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52731_comment.php#52827

    Lets talk about the INS Jeff Fisher 2006-11-27 10:01 AM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52767_comment.php#52825

    Common Ground-Life Always Jeff Fisher 2006-11-27 9:55 AM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52773_comment.php#52824

    Here is some information to Digest Jeff Fisher 2006-11-27 9:36 AM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52799_comment.php#52823

    First Amendment Rights Violated Jeff Fisher 2006-11-27 8:42 AM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52678_comment.php#52820

    Why the Press is afraid of my Court Case Jeff Fisher & Jack Lancaster 2006-11-25 2:54 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52775.php

    Today America entered a new age. An age of wonderous discoveries. An age for Peace All due to an interview on a small unknow radio station in Florida. (text/plain + 5 comments)

    The interview of Jeff Fisher and Ben Roth Robert Klein 2006-11-25 12:30 PM
    I was amazed that this got on the air. Bravo Mr. Fisher and Mr. Roth (text/plain + 1 comment)
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52768.php

    Identity theft, Fraud, and worldwide Racketeering. Jeff Fisher 2006-11-22 5:40 AM
    The Truth Shall Prevail for Christ always Protects Me Reposted due to error in Title, email address and zipcode. I am very tired trying to save America from the computer room where my father lives in Buckhead, Atlanta. I just wish he would wake up and find out I have been here for almost two days waiting for him so I can tell him I love him. (text/plain + 1 comment)
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52678.php

    God is My Guide Jeff Fisher 2006-11-14 9:32 AM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/50723_comment.php#52374

    Jeff Fisher Jeff Fisher 2006-10-06 4:44 AM
    A letter to Brad Friedman proving he is not about reporting the entire truth (text/plain + 13 comments)
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/50723.php

    Fixing Jeff Fisher 2006-09-06 11:45 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/09/49181_comment.php#49183

    A New kind of Leadership Jeff Fisher 2006-09-06 11:43 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/09/49181_comment.php#49182

    The Legacy of Ron Brown lives in his son Michael Brown Jeff Fisher 2006-09-06 11:43 PM

    The trial of Jff Fisher vs George W Bush (image/jpeg + 1 comment)

    New Leadership for America Jeff Fisher 2006-09-06 11:36 PM

    ATTENTION AMERICAN VOTERS: IT’S TIME TO TAKE BACK YOUR ELECTIONS Jeff Fisher 2006-09-06 11:36 PM
    FORMER U.S. 2004 CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE JEFF FISHER-FLORIDA DISTRICT 16 IS PREPARING TO TESTIFY AGAINST PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH REGARDING THE 2000 AND 2004 ELECTION (image/jpeg + 5 comments)
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/09/49179.php
    The added comments is done by people who a re trying to discredit me.
    I don't gamble.

    Division 5 Go Away Jeff Fisher 2006-08-18 7:56 AM

    You are a sick human being Jeff Fisher 2006-08-15 6:03 PM

    To late I already sent the truth to Al Jezeera Jeff Fisher 2006-08-15 8:39 AM

    I am writing from the National Press Club Jeff Fisher 2006-08-15 6:36 AM

    Division 5 I have GOD Jeff Fisher 2006-08-14 6:55 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47455_comment.php#47654
    Again you can see what people will do to stop the truth. Its very sick and perverse.

    My email account is not working Jeff Fisher 2006-08-14 8:34 AM

    Thank God for Intel because the media has no integrity anymore Jeff Fisher posting an email from Intel 2006-08-13 7:14 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47455_comment.php#47459

    Grieving Mothers World Wide Jeff Fisher posting an email from Intel 2006-08-13 7:14 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47455_comment.php#47458

    PeacePlan Jeff Fisher posting an email from Intel 2006-08-13 7:14 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47455_comment.php#47457

    The first photo was Isreali children practicing hate. This photo is death to the innocent Jeff Fisher posting an email from Intel 2006-08-13 7:14 PM
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47455_comment.php#47479

    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47455_comment.php#47567

    Letter to Washington Post and Washington Times
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47324.php

    Ending Israel's and AIPAC's Control of our Elections
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47227.php

    Atlanta Journal Cover Up
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47202.php

    We the People are taking back our Democracy
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47036.php

    Tortured American Patriot by the Mossad
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/46723.php

    Unraveling the 2000 Election Conspiracy and its connection to 9-11
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/46604_comment.php#46607

    Letter to John Conyers and GWB_BITEMe@yahoo.com
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/46494.php

    The Truth is revealed on Indy Media
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/46408.php

    Clint Curtis (Deception) v Jeff Fisher (Truth)
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/46264.php

    The Truth shall Prevail to Protect the Children
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/46078.php

    The Rape of America
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/45776.php

    Visiting Congressman Grijalva
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/45599.php

    Letter to Alex Jones of Infowars.com
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/44919.php

    Treason in America
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/44917.php

    Personal note hand delivered to LA Times
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/44396.php

    2000 Election Evidence & the LA Times
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/44395.php

    2000 Election Evidence Proving Conspiracy
    http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/44288.php

    The Truth Shall Prevail and Peace will be attained in the Middle East due to a Peace Plan written in 2003

    Posted by JackieAnneWatkins on July 21, 2007 at 02:47 AM


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    I THINK THE REST OF AMERICA NEEDS TO SEE WHAT NEW JERSEY DOING. THE PEOPLE OF NEW JERSEY ARE ALIVE THEY ARE AWARE, I THINK THE GREAT PEOPLE OF NEW JERSEY ARE CRITICAL INDEPENDENT THINKERS WHO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THIS NEO CON FACIST REPUBLICAN NO GOOD WHITE HOUSE IS UP TOO! THEY KNOW OF ALL OF THE LIES AND MISS INFORMATION AND THE LAWS THAT HAVE BEEN BROKEN AND ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES IS THE ABUSE OF POWER BY THE PRESIDENT AND THE VICE PRESIDENT AND KARL ROVE AND ALBERTO GONZOLAS BEING COMPLICIT TO EVERYTHING THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE TO VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION. THERE IS ONLY FOUR WORDS THAT NEED TO BE SAID IMPEACH BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMPEACH CHENEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOW!

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    I THINK THE REST OF AMERICA NEEDS TO SEE WHAT NEW JERSEY DOING. THE PEOPLE OF NEW JERSEY ARE ALIVE THEY ARE AWARE, I THINK THE GREAT PEOPLE OF NEW JERSEY ARE CRITICAL INDEPENDENT THINKERS WHO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THIS NEO CON FACIST REPUBLICAN NO GOOD WHITE HOUSE IS UP TOO! THEY KNOW OF ALL OF THE LIES AND MISS INFORMATION AND THE LAWS THAT HAVE BEEN BROKEN AND ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES IS THE ABUSE OF POWER BY THE PRESIDENT AND THE VICE PRESIDENT AND KARL ROVE AND ALBERTO GONZOLAS BEING COMPLICIT TO EVERYTHING THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE TO VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION. THERE IS ONLY FOUR WORDS THAT NEED TO BE SAID IMPEACH BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMPEACH CHENEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOW!

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    has any group outside this country done a recent poll? i'd suspect it would be bumping along in a single digit %... interesting to note his approval in nj at 18% is less than the national poll i saw recently that said 46% want him impeached... HONK HONK...

    Posted by america1st on July 22, 2007 at 11:15 PM


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    I DISAPPROVE OF THE PRESIDENT'S OVERALL JOB PERFORMANCE,ESPECIALLY HIS DEALING WITH THE WAR IN IRAQ. IT WOULD APPEAR THAT HE IS PLAYING THE OSTRICH BY "KEEPING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND" RATHER THAN FACING UP TO REALITY THAT WE MAY NOT WIN THIS WAR THAT HE SAYS WE CAN WIN.THERE IS NO SENSE IN ALLOWING OUR BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM TO DIE FOR NOTHING.LET'S BRING THEM HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES WHILE WE CAN!!!

    Posted by SKYMASTER on July 25, 2007 at 10:44 AM


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    I DISAPPROVE OF THE PRESIDENT'S OVERALL JOB PERFORMANCE,ESPECIALLY HIS DEALING WITH THE WAR IN IRAQ. IT WOULD APPEAR THAT HE IS PLAYING THE OSTRICH BY "KEEPING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND" RATHER THAN FACING UP TO REALITY THAT WE MAY NOT WIN THIS WAR THAT HE SAYS WE CAN WIN.THERE IS NO SENSE IN ALLOWING OUR BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM TO DIE FOR NOTHING.LET'S BRING THEM HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES WHILE WE CAN!!!

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    Like a bunch of children. Can't the Democratic Party do anything without a poll? Why do we always have to have a stinking poll in order to put our point across? There are ways to do news without a poll. Besides, our congress ranks lower than the White House.

    Posted by dark_horseMJ on July 29, 2007 at 10:06 PM


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    I'm so fed up with the Democrats...nothing is getting done except these stupid, unscientific polls. I'm seriously thinking about crossing over to the Republican or Libertarian side. These people have plans for the country. All we ever do is run a poll........

    Posted by dark_horseMJ on July 29, 2007 at 10:08 PM


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    SORRY,POLLS ARE DONE BY BOTH SIDES OF THE ISLE,THIS BLOG SITE PUBLISHES THE ONES THAT LEAN TOWARD THE DEMOCRATS! DUH THIS IS A DEMOCRATIC BLOG SITE.

    Posted by peaceman on August 1, 2007 at 11:49 AM

    What Jeff Fisher fights for as Secretary of Peace for Al Gore & Cynthia McKinney
    Jeff Fisher | 01.08.2007 21:39 | Indymedia | Iraq | Palestine | Birmingham | Scotland

    The truth is that I Jeff Fisher will be testifying against Vice President Richard B Cheney, Karl Rove, Alberto Gonzales and Michael Chertoff


    What Jeff Fisher fights for as Secretary of Peace for Al Gore and Cynthia McKinney
    Posted July 9th, 2007 by Jeff Fisher

    Mr. Gore

    Jeff Fisher is ready for you now in Washington DC

    The Book An American Patriot by Gary Koniz is the icing on the cake.
    Never judge a book by the cover, (its George Bush) the inside is dedicated to JFK.

    Remember Rose Kennedy was my pen pal from 1981-1983

    I never gave up sir. I only told the truth about Baypoint School and July 27th 2004 and December 8th 2004. I can not let down America and the world for the atrocities that Baypoint School is responsible for.

    Our Elections being manipulated and the truth behind 9-11.

    Jeff Fisher
    e-mail: jefffisherwashingtondc@yahoo.com

    Jeff Fisher
    e-mail: jjf_mlk@yahoo.fr


    The Jeff Fisher Files- From Amtrak to Tel Aviv
    author: Ezra Fulson & Davida Shensky
    MARK FOLEY AND THE DRUG FREE AMERICA FOUNDATION

    CONTACT INFORMATION:
    Jeff Fisher NFL TITAN COACH FAN
    Jeff Fisher LOGOMOTIVE FAN
    Jeff Fisher ELECTION FRAUD WHISTLE BLOWER

    Jeff Fisher (770) -715-2171 Direct Cell
    (Not always working) (Christian operator)

    404-846-9919 CAREER PERFORMANCE INSTITUTE
    (LEAVE MESSAGE)

    678-462-1170 Live Line
    answered by Davida Shensky (Jewish operator)
    OWNER OF MARK FOLEY AND DRUG FREE AMERICA FOUNDATION
    plus NO ONE STANDS IN LINE TO BECOME DISABLED
    plus SUCCESS IS MY ONLY OPTION!
    plus HOME-BASED BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES

    202-580-8531 (Recorded message) (Mormon operator)
    NATIONAL WHISTLE BLOWER HOTLINE
    http:nomorefraud.blogspot.com
    This line you can record a message for ten minutes.
    Male voice only -If a woman answers the phone,
    the line has been enrooted (hijacked)(identity theft)...CALL THE POLICE

    The Truth About Zionism and Elections
    MARK FOLEY AND THE DRUG FREE AMERICA FOUNDATION

    CONTACT INFORMATION:
    Jeff Fisher NFL TITAN COACH FAN
    Jeff Fisher LOGOMOTIVE FAN
    Jeff Fisher ELECTION FRAUD WHISTLE BLOWER

    Jeff Fisher (770) -715-2171 Direct Cell
    (Not always working) (Christian operator)

    404-846-9919 CAREER PERFORMANCE INSTITUTE
    (LEAVE MESSAGE)

    678-462-1170 Live Line
    answered by Davida Shensky (Jewish operator)
    OWNER OF MARK FOLEY AND DRUG FREE AMERICA FOUNDATION
    plus NO ONE STANDS IN LINE TO BECOME DISABLED
    plus SUCCESS IS MY ONLY OPTION!
    plus HOME-BASED BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES

    202-580-8531 (Recorded message) (Mormon operator)
    NATIONAL WHISTLE BLOWER HOTLINE
    http:nomorefraud.blogspot.com
    This line you can record a message for ten minutes.
    Male voice only -If a woman answers the phone,
    the line has been enrooted (hijacked)(identity theft)...CALL THE POLICE

    JEFF FISHER LAST NIGHT CALLED THE JOHNSON CITY
    POLICE AT (607) 729-9321 IN UPSTATE NEW YORK AND
    TOLD THEM ABOUT THE ABUSE HIS PARENTS DID TO HIM.

    Mr. Fisher even gave them the phone number and email
    addresses to Secret Service Agent J D Bell and Special Secret
    Service Agent Leigh Bellami. Jeff Fisher also gave the FBI
    (International Special Agent ) Tom Heneghan's phone
    number and email address.

    Maybe the people should demand the recorded phone calls.
    Here is the contact information online for the Johnson City
    Police Department. http://www.jcnypd.org/contacts.htm

    http://www.jcnypd.org/support.htm


    Jeff is one hell of an American and I am very proud I had
    let him help me fix my computer and how hard he tried
    to fix my computer to help me aquire the needed $200
    so I can pay my rent.

    He even said he would get me some readers all because
    I read some of his emails from people in intelligence.

    Jeff is very upset with Detective Bill Zimmerman for
    doubting him. Mr. Zimerman insulted Agent Bellami
    and the agent has a temper unlike Mr. Fisher who is
    a pacifist. Everyone should call Bill Zimmerman
    and tell him to apologize to that special agent. That
    agent has been in the Secret Service since President
    Harry S Truman. The number for all responsible
    Americans is 202-554-1757 ask for Detective
    William Zimmerman.

    I will post some of those letters here. I will start
    with the one about Mark Foley.

    Oh last night I had just gotten out of the tub to
    hear some stupid cop from Johnson City tell Jeff
    to get some help. Jeff told him that his parents
    abused him as a child and the cop just didn't care.
    Jeff then told the cop to get a life and find Christ
    and hung up on him.


    Let me post his parents phone number so everyone
    can leave messages for them to hear. 607-777-9831

    Then call the Johnson City Police (607) 729-9321 to stop
    listening to his idiotic parents and his gay brother
    who used to do horrible things to him.

    Don't let any cop scare you with aggravated harassment.

    Its called the First Amendment.

    Bravo Jeff, whish is what all abused kids, should do
    when the law doesn't believe them. Jeff said that
    Father Dennis Ruda would understand and that
    maybe he could help the Police Department with
    the evidence that is written in Polish.


    JEFF SAID HE HAD A FEW TIMES GONE TO
    THIS CHURCH WITH A FEW FRIENDS WHEN
    HE WAS IN 10TH GRADE AT JOHNSON CITY
    SENIOR HIGH.
    Here is a link to that church and a map of its location.
    link to www.switchboard.com

    Jeff told me he lived just behind the Oakdale Mall. He
    said he used to ride a friends dirt bike, Honda and/or
    Kawasaki, in the hills before they made it into the mall.
    That was in the late 60's early 70's.

    His name back then was Jeffrey Joseph Rogoff. Jeff had
    intentionally failed courses to conceal how bright he was.
    He actually got a grade of 25 in Geometry on his report
    card. He just didn't take any tests or do any homework.
    Jeff just wanted to be considered normal because of the
    horrible abuse that he was a victim of and how he
    witnessed other kids in school having the same kind of
    parents who were just down right mean to all children.

    Jeff says that a friend of his, the late Peter Joyce
    wrote a letter to Al Rogers about Jeff's Intelligence Quotion
    and secret past that even his family didn't know about. Jeff
    told me that yesterday afternoon at Atlanta Bread right after
    he got the player personal office for the Atlanta Hawks to OK
    that a scout would contact him regarding Andre Harris getting
    a chance to be the sixth man for the NBA Atlanta Hawks. Andre
    is right now living at http://www.globalempowermentcenter.com/index.html.

    Everyone should email Pastor Craig Soaries at cesoaries@aol.com.
    The pastor met Jeff last Sunday prior to church. The pastor service
    talked about many things including all about the power of the Internet.
    One of the ushers was having a hissy fit because Jeff was calling overseas
    to his love of his life so she could hear everyone praising God the Father.
    The usher just doesn't understand that anyone can spread the word, not
    just the pastor. Jeff walked out of the church and called his friend Jeremy
    and talked about God for more than 30 minutes. His friend understands
    what Jeff represents. I can't' yet because I am Jewish but I know he is
    very special.

    Jeff needs the pastor to make sure that all the people Jeff met
    at the recovery house stay put while he awaits the loan and the
    other lawsuit against Wesley Townsend Apartments (contact letter)
    to happen with Joel David Associates representing (email address to Joel David)
    Mr. Fisher who at the present moment is residing no longer
    on the streets of Buckhead, Atlanta because he is helping me
    until the newspapers and CNN start to report the truth. Well he
    said he would come back after the protest in 7Sarasota Florida
    on Sunday7.


    The building where it happened is where his
    new father who wants to adopt him lives. Somebody
    should email these people also for they might want to
    help donate to this mans quest for exposing the truth
    about our elections and ending this war overseas and the
    fake war on terror that has escalated into a real one thanks
    to AIPAC, the NEOCONS/ZIONIST and the Rothchilds. Dr.
    Greer lives not far from where Coretta Scott King used to live.
    God Bless her soul. The firm is just taking there sweet time. They
    have no idea how much money they can make. At least 100 million
    dollars could be the settlement. They want 37%. Jeff says that's usury
    so he offered them 44% instead and they still are not reacting.
    How arrogant can they get? The case is based upon a security officer
    throwing steaming hot coffee in Jeff's face which was captured on
    security cameras and many of the people in the complex know all
    about it.


    The good thing is Jeff 7left for Florida this morning for Sarasota
    around seven7 to some protest about this past election. He said
    the election has to be redone because of what the FBI agent
    TOM HENEGHAN reported on http://www.indymedia.org/ ,
    http://www.stewwebb.com/ and on Cloak and Dagger which
    is based in Germany with an extension of de instead of com.

    Jeff was talking to the Johnson City Police or someone else
    last night all about the stolen smartmatic cards, Marvin Rosen,
    Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama and Rahn Emanuel were some
    of the people who are involved with that theft.

    http://neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/9034.php

    link to disc.server.com

    http://worldvtruth.tripod.com/ricojeffjayfisher.vs.joseph.doc

    link to 72.14.209.104


    MAYBE IF THE POLICE INVESTIGATE THE EMERGENCY
    HOSPITAL RECORDS AT WILSON MEMORIAL HOSPITAL
    FROM THE LATE 60'S TO THE LATE 70'S THEY MIGHT
    SEE A PATTERN OF INJURIES THAT ARE PREVELANT
    IN PHYSICAL AND SEXUAL ABUSE AMONG CATHOLIC
    YOUTHS IN BROOME COUNTY NEW YORK.

    561-835-8419 AL ROGERS-# 2 victim of 22
    Former 2004 Communications Manager for
    JEFF FISHER (D) VS MARK FOLEY (R)

    Tell Mr. Rogers thank you for his upcoming testimony
    against Dr. Piotr Blass and the $10,000 PAYOFF BY
    JOSEPH KLOCK OF BAYPOINT SCHOOL

    561-865-9548 BEN ROTH GOOD FRIEND OF JEFF FISHER
    AND WITNESS TO MEETING WITH SEAN S LENNON ON
    JULY 27, 2004 SOVERNTY@ROVIN.NET

    http://20-248-c.onlinestoragesolution.com/neversurrender/EVIDENCE.htm

    The above link has some very interesting information. Later on phone
    numbers and emails and other information will be posted.

    Now for the news on Mark Foley

    Mark Foley's partner in crime at Drug Free America, Doug Guetzloe,
    sentenced to prison. Guetzloe worked for Mel Sembler and the neocons
    of AIPAC for a total of 30 odd years. Message to Melvin Sembler:
    You're NEXT.....Don't think about going anywhere! You and AIPAC
    have abused your last school program and caused your last rigged
    elections. http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html

    MEL SEMBLER AKA AIPAC: YOU CAN NOT HIDE FROM THE
    TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE DAMAGES WILL BE HEARD IN COURT,
    AND YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. http://www.wesh.com/news/10320948/detail.html I think people
    in America, Israel, France, England and all the other nations should
    do a real Internet search regarding Jeff Fisher and Mark Foley and
    our voting rights. The information online that the press is not
    reporting is enough to make the dead rise and want to just whack
    these people up and down their foolish heads. Here is a list of links
    to try to see what I am writing about.

    http://arkansas.indymedia.org/newswire/display/20263/index.php
    The links in all these articles are amazing.

    People should write to this writer and ask him to report
    the whole truth
    jeremy.wallace@heraldtribune.com

    This writer wrote the following article and he has been contacted
    several months earlier about Jeff Fisher from several people via email.
    link to www.heraldtribune.com

    The Independent in the following link by the Washington Post
    is Emmie Ross (please review this link for more information
    regarding Emmie Ross)

    http://20-248-c.onlinestoragesolution.com/neversurrender/EVIDENCE.htm

    The Washington Post is been aware of Jeff Fisher on a personal
    basis since early July of this year. Washington D.C. is such a police
    state that there are cameras everywhere and that means We the People
    can see Mr. Fisher on recorded tape defending all us voters.

    http://projects.washingtonpost.com/elections/keyraces/676/

    The following links are all related to Jeff Fisher's evidence

    link to www.washingtonpost.com

    Investigating Jack Abramoff


    link to www.washingtonpost.com

    Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson

    Jeff told me he knows that Scooter Libby has people watching him.
    Jeff has good contacts in the CIA and at the US Marshal office too.

    This is all about the greatest lawyer in America and Jeff Fisher
    being the link to most of his cases. BayPoint School, AIPAC ,the
    Mossad and the Rothchild's all have a connection to 9-11 and our
    stolen elections for the past ten years with proof from Mr. Jeff Fisher
    for the past eight years.

    That means the 2000 election was stolen and Mr. Fisher has all the
    needed evidence for Al Gore.

    Why are the Democrats not helping him? It sure isn't America.

    Where do they pledge their allegiance? I think the people need
    to know that answer.
    http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/index.html


    http://www.wiolawapress.com/chicago9.htm

    Wait to you hear the audio on http://www.nomorefraud.blogspot.com
    and the recordings Jeff had on his computer that his wife destroyed
    but Jeff thinks that he may have transferred them to a few other
    computers in Palm Beach County where they may still be in existence.
    Carol McClean, Darren, Emmie Ross and a few others scattered
    around District 16 while he ran for congress in 2004. Jeff hid his
    files to protect his son David who they wanted to place in a drug
    rehab center, such as Growing Together even though David Samuel
    is just an innocent six year old Jewish boy who just loves lighthouses
    and Buzz Lightyear.

    David's dad, Jeff, used to spend time in his bedroom at night helping
    him fall asleep. Then he would go see his daughter Jamie Irene sleeping
    in her bed. So he would go hold her hand and just watch her breath in
    the air. Jeff couldn't stand to be away from his children but he had a
    campaign to run mainly by himself since his wife and family were adamantly
    against him running for Congress as were most of the Democrats in
    Palm Beach County.
    link to www.iamthewitness.com

    For some reason they loved to complain about things against
    Mark Foley but they never wanted him to lose any election.
    Anyone who stood up against AIPAC always got harmed in
    some way or another. Someone should contact Jean Elliott Brown
    from the 2002 election and find out what Mark Foley was holding
    over her in that race.

    Jeff told me that she and her son told him on the phone in 2003
    about some kind of blackmail he used against her close to the
    November 2002 General Election.

    A friend of Jeff Fisher,

    Davida Shensky

    posted by succoachsuccoach @ 3:58 PM

    Al Gore Cynthia McKinney Jeff Fisher

    Author Jeff Fisher
    Date Created
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    Copyright by the author. All rights reserved.


    The truth is that I Jeff Fisher am now going to testify against Vice President Richard B Cheney and Karl Rove.

    Al Gore will run with Cynthia McKinney

    On July 14th, 2007 Jeff Fisher said:

    Shame on Diane Feinstien, Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters

    On July 9th, 2007 Jeff Fisher said:
    Mr. Gore

    Jeff Fisher is ready for you now in Washington DC

    The Book An American Patriot by Gary Koniz is the icing on the cake.

    I never gave up sir. I only told the truth about Baypoint School and July 27th 2004 and December 8th 2004. I can not let down America and the world for the atrocities that Baypoint School is responsible for.

    Our Elections being manipulated and the truth behind 9-11.

    An historical documentary about the 2004 Congressional Campaign of Jeffrey Fisher who ran for the 16th District in Florida against Mark Foley

    www.lulu.com/content/743942

    Product Details:
    Printed: 499 pages, 6" x 9", perfect binding, black and white interior ink
    PDF (1497 kb)

    Download: 1 documents (PDF), 1497 KB
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    Copyright: © 2007 Standard Copyright License
    Language: English
    Country: United States

    Mr. Gore, I continue to pray for you and Tipper and Tom Heneghan and Mary Schneider and of course my love Jane Bowell.

    The Truth Shall Prevail

    I am so glad I had placed my hand on the plough and never looked back.

    Signed,
    An American Patriot Jeff Fisher

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    Wayne Madsen
    Sources close to U.S. intelligence pointed to a $29.6 million check supposedly issued on October 22, 2004, by Laurentian Bank in Montreal, Canada, that was rumored by intelligence circles to have been used to pay for the technicians who developed the software to rig the election. The computer voting machine technicians and maintenance personnel involved with the rigging were reported to have included Russians, Mexicans, and Brazilians.

    globalresearch.ca/articles/MAD412A.html

    find email from Blass

    Possible connection to Blass, Klock and $10,000.

    Journalist information
    Russell Baker (Nation Magazine) has interviewed Sean Lennon on Nov. 12, 2004 and had Sean verbally confirm that there is documentation regarding election fraud.

    FBI Meeting
    Monday November 11th, 2004 late afternoon approx. 5:00 P.M.

    Al Rogers, Jeff Fisher-Agent Jeff Fativa-2nd agent name unknown

    505 Flagler Drive, West Palm Beach, Florida

    (305) 944-9101

    Approx. time of meeting two hours
    November 17th, 2004

    Sent fax to Miami FBI office. The fax was a copy of an email stating that Dr. Blass demanding loyalty to obtain information from Sean Lennon. ________________________________________________________________________________

    Hard copy
    Mailed to Omaha full text copy of an email from Paul S. Otellini of Intel. (Paperwork from Sean S. Lennon, seanlennon (at) cyberbless.com taken while he went to the bathroom) This is dated from mid 2004 relating to funding for specific development costs of a specialized BIOS in the chip set for randomly placed voting machines to ensure the final vote tally on the North Carolina U.S. Senate Race.

    *Mailed to a plastic surgeon in Manhattan a 1999 full text email from Henry D.G. Wallace to Joseph Klock verifying payment will continue on schedule for recruiting and training costs.

    See ***
    *Mailed to an investigator in London, two1998 full text emails. (Located nearby to the Tube’s Southern Route.) These emails verified payment to Joseph Klock from Alan J. Weber-CitiBank.

    Mr. Weber’s expertise was in technology transactions through the Pacific Rim
    See ***
    **This information is where Bev Harris has to investigate further. I don’t have the resources to undergo the connection between Diebold and Global Election Systems but this where at least some of the financing for the 2000 general election originated from. VoteRemote was mentioned and absentee vote tally.

    Sent original copy to London for safekeeping.

    (I have tried on several occasions to reach the person who has this information)

    The person goes by the name of James Lawrence and he lives in Liverpool. That is whom I sent that information on July 30, 2004.

    This document was a banking record from the Cayman Islands. It had handwritten notes on it linking a team of airplane mechanics who would be used to sabotage Senator Paul Wellstone airplane to insure that he didn’t survive. The initials on the letter were JA –AJ

    I was shocked to see this and realized that the letters possibly stood for John Ashcroft, Attorney General. The note was dated January 2, 2002.

    Further names listed found on Dr. Piotr Blass computer in his home.

    Discovered in August of 2004 while Dr. Blass was teaching at Key College in Dania Beach, Florida over a period of days.

    One email mentioning psychological studies on election tactics that could be used in 2000. This was dated on Dr. Blass’s computer May 1, 2000. It was sent from to Dr Cole baypointmc (at) aol.com

    One email sent to Charles Figley cfigley (at) garnet.acns.fsu.edu letting him know that Jeff Fisher has obtained information from Sean to relay to Kerry. Dated: July 27, 2004
    One email sent to Mike Razar mjrx (at) aol.com letting him know that Jeff Fisher has obtained information from Sean to relay to Kerry. Dated: July 28, 2004
    (What I don’t understand is that Mike Razar was giving advice to Piotr on having his son released from Growing Together. I remember overhearing Piotr mentioning to his son, Oscar that Mike had a plan that would involve physical force like Entebbe to free David.)

    One email sent to Adam Michnik adam.michnik (at) agora.pl letting him know that Jeff Fisher has obtained information from Sean and that David would be release soon thanks to negotiations between Joe Klock and Mel Sembler.
    Dated: July 29, 2004
    (I questioned Piotr about Joe Klock and his relationship with Mel Sembler and having David released from Growing Together. Dr. Blass told me he needed ten thousand dollars to get David released and he was contemplating contacting Joe for the needed funds.)

    (Why would a friend of Piotr’s in Poland be concerned about the election information that I obtained from Sean?)

    I understood the reason about seeking help for his son and why he might consider soliciting financial help from friends and colleagues.

    Email received from borowskibiuro (at) wp.pl stating deposit for 100,000.00 zł waiting for instructions regarding military applications in the Baltic Region and for the project in North Carolina.

    Cc: Michael Wynne. Dated October 20, 2003.

    One email sent to Jeb Bush stating that the project at Bay Point was going well and testing was almost complete. Dated March 1, 2000.

    Two emails sent to Katherine Harris requesting information on State Representative Tom Feeney and hired consultant Clint Curtis.

    Dated September 20th and October 10th 2000.

    One email sent to Theresa Lepore informing her that her design was approved and tested at Bay Point for one purpose. To test and analyze the psychological distress among the elderly, especially the Jewish population in West Palm Beach and Boca Raton regarding the placement of punch holes on the ballot referring to Patrick Buchannon. October 20, 2000

    E-mail sent to Sean Lennon asking if coding for Cibola, McKinley County and Socorro County were in place. Dated July 1, 2004

    The following signature was on this email.

    (F3 tav)2

    (3.14E+00 /r2) Bay studies verified at Key. Encryption 100%

    Two emails sent to Mel Sembler.

    First email was from March 2000 stating he needed more funds toward the creation of a new program.

    The second was from June of 2002 stating that testing was finalized in Louisiana and Georgia for the upcoming Democratic Gubernatorial Primary in September. The methodology was to create vote swapping between Daryl Jones and Janet Reno. This was to take place so Bill McBride would be the Democratic candidate facing Governor Jeb Bush.

    Three emails sent to John_CALHOUN (at) pba.edu from Dr. Piotr Blass and cc: Dr. Cole

    The first email stating that all was forgiven and five stars were providing assistance for Theresa for upcoming primary. Dated June 1, 2004

    The second email stated that a transfer of £200,000.00 would transfer from the United Emirates to a bank in New Zealand designated for Palm Beach, Butte, Campbell and Codington Counties for November 2nd 2004 U.S. Senate Races. Dated July 26, 2004.

    The third email stated that a transfer of £250,000.00 would transfer from the United Emirates to a bank in New Zealand designated for Cuyahoga, Warren, Butte, Campbell and Codington Counties for November 2nd 2004 Presidential Race. Dated July 31, 2004.

    Meeting with Sean Lennon

    July 27, 2004

    Location: Public Library, (Town)

    2nd floor

    Internet access

    Sean directs me to his web-site plus two others that are under construction.

    In the published web site, (www.cyberbless.com) he shows me a backdoor entrance that he password protected. In side the site he had a link to the other two sites where he had stored some information.

    He then told me about how Bay Point School was training some of the kids in computerized programming that he was in charge of. Sean also told me that that these kids and prior ones were also being trained by a former instructor and another one before that one. That this specific training and testing dates as far back as 1996, Sean informed me. He wouldn’t tell me anymore on this. Sean then elaborated that Joseph Klock was sexually abusing the kids and that this training was their only way out of being abused.

    I remember asking Sean why was he being so secretive about this since I was working so hard to get Piotr’s son out of Growing Together in Lake Worth, Florida. He said that it was related through the Straight program. Sean then went on to tell me that the kids were writing election software that would change the outcome of the 2000 Florida General Election Results to ensure that the Republican ticket were to win the Presidential race. He told me that the way they were going to do it was by using the names of Felons whose names were purged and not purged to cast votes electronically in several counties without their knowledge. The coding of software would create under and over voting leaning toward a specific candidate that would appear unpremeditated to the average voting inspector who might try to establish an audit trail. He told me the names of a few counties where it would take place, Miami-Dade, Broward, Polk and Volusia. He said that they were going to use ten counties to manipulate the vote.

    He then proceeded to open one folder (labeled BPS) inside the directory to reveal several sub folders, which he informed me, had incriminating files regarding Bay Point School and election tampering from 1996 to 2004.

    These folders were listed as 1996, 1997,1998,1999,2000,2001,2002,2003,2004. He opened 1999, 2000, 2001,2002 and 2004, one at a time over the next two plus hours.

    Inside he had scanned e-mails and Intranet communications at Bay Point School that he had intercepted though the present system. Sean then on his own decided to look through archived hard drives because he felt he was being used as the fall guy. This is when he told me that as an ex marine he had faced fear but he learned that someone who worked with him that had been missing was actually murdered. He told me he went to Dr. Blass with this information back in 2003. He told me that Blass said to remain quiet until he found a reliable and trustworthy person who could pass the information onto the proper authorities.

    1999- shown scanned e-mails from Joseph Klock and Katherine Harris, Joseph Klock and Mel Sembler, Joseph Klock and State Representative Tom Feeney regarding the progress of Clinton Curtis, Joseph Klock and Theresa Lepore and Joseph Klock and Governor Jeb Bush.

    Katherine Harris-This folder he showed me one e-mail. There were at least dozen more that he wouldn’t open. His reason was that I had to get this much information to Kerry as soon as possible. I needed to prove my loyalty to protecting him as well as Dr. Blass. The email consisted of maintaining communications for finances between Joseph Klock, her and Mel Sembler.
    Mel Sembler-Two emails opened. Ten more that he wouldn’t open. The first email stated that Mel Sembler would continue funding along with other individuals from New York, California, Texas, Ohio and overseas for the completion of the project to make George W. Bush the next president of the United States. The second email said that trainees (clients) from Straight and other affiliates would be transported to Bay Point or to Louisiana, Georgia or California after the General Election to continue the project in newer and bolder avenues for further elections in the upcoming millennium.
    State Representative Tom Feeney- three emails opened-six more remained unopened. The first email stated that Katherine Harris and Theresa Lepore were in discussion of designing a ballot that would create havoc in Palm Beach County. It main purpose was to act as a diversion while the operation from Bay Point and the work from other programmers in California and Florida would take place from computer terminals inside several SOE offices in Florida.
    The second email mentioned that Clint Curtis was one of the programmers who created a workable version with help from Bay Point notes mailed to him. (This is from 1999-Clint’s version tells everyone that he was contacted in 2000)

    The third email mentioned that Tom Feeney would be guaranteed a win in 2002 for the U.S. House of Representatives by the incoming Administration for his efforts.

    D. Theresa Lepore-Two emails opened-Six remained unopened. First email stating that she contact the Secretary of State to inform her the programming and trial tests were completed and ran at 100% with no possible way to audit the results back to the original source. The tests were run one hundred times at three different locations located in Miami-Dade County, Broward County and Charlotte County.

    The second email was a confirmation letter from Teresa Lepore saying that she had contacted the Secretary of State with the good news.

    E. Governor Jeb Bush-Two emails opened. Ten unopened. First email stated that the Governor could inform the team in Texas that all trials were at 100%.

    The second was that Joseph Klock distance himself from an attorney on his Board of Directors. No name was given. (I believe it might be Roy Black)

    The only time I met Roy Black was the night of December 2nd, 2004 going over some of the information that I gave to the FBI on I believe was November 8th, 2004. The reason being that Agent Jeff Fativa had informed Al Rogers and I not to reveal any information beyond what was placed on the web-site. He and the other agent informed us that if we did reveal any other information we might be obstructing the law regarding the ongoing investigation and face possible arrest.

    2000- shown scanned e-mails from Joseph Klock and Karen Hughes, Joseph Klock and Katherine Harris, Joseph Klock and Michael Bilarikis and Joseph Klock and Connie Mack.

    Karen Hughes-verified email stating the final results would have her candidate with a one thousand to two thousand vote lead insuring Florida went to the GOP. (May, June or July)
    Michael Bilarikis-shown email that Mel Sembler was funding him not just for his political career but to arrange a channel of communication between Bay Point and the Secretary of State for Florida, Katherine Harris on November 2nd, 2000.
    Connie Mack-One e-mail opened-Three remained unopened. Confirmation of payment from Mel Sembler to the Congressman for services rendered to Michael Bilarakis and Katherine Harris for channeling funds from overseas toward the project in California and Florida.
    2001- showed scanned e-mails from Joseph Klock, Linda Fisher and Lawrence Lindsey and informed of an Intranet communication between Klock and one of the programmers. Scanned e-mail from Joseph Klock that was cc: Italian Ambassador Mel Sembler, United Kingdom Minister for E-commerce and Competitiveness Douglas Alexander and Porter Goss.

    This e-mail mentioned that CitiBank and Banco Sao Paulo didn’t received the scheduled transaction from Monsanto and questioned the specific Intranet communiqué regarding the validity of intelligence from J.G. Roche.
    The possibilities of channeling funds through e-commerce were being reviewed in the United Kingdom and Italy upon the success of the 2002 Florida General Election.
    Email received from Douglas Alexander to Porter Goss and Joseph Klock stating that monies
    transferred from Beijing to Zurich to J.M. and C. Group. (I have to thank Ken Martin of Bermuda Dunes, California for last summer while cooking on the barbecue we were talking about politics and he brought up the subject of the Carlyle Group and James Baker. I then solved the riddle of the group and have come up with the possibility that J.M. might be the former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom John Major)

    2002- shown scanned e-mail from Joseph Klock to Jeb Bush and Charlie Crist,

    E-mail dated after the 2002 Florida Democratic Primary (Mid to late September) stating that the felons’ procedure was a success in the election of Bill McBride over Janet Reno and Darryl Jones.
    2003- shown scanned e-mail from Joseph Klock to Jeb Bush, Charlie Crist and Porter Goss.

    E-mail dated August 7th or 8th, 2003 stating that procedures were going as planned in the nations capitol and there would be no repeat of legal battles for the upcoming 2004 election.

    Re-election was guaranteed and Porter would be taking a new position in the administration.

    2004- shown scanned e-mail from Joseph Klock to Jeb Bush, Charlie Crist cc: H. Ahmanson and Mel Sembler.

    Email stated that additional funds would be redirected through the Chalcedon Institute for Kerry Martin and Todd Urosevich. July 20, 2004

    shown scanned letter from Joseph Klock to H. Ahmanson cc: Jonathan Waters

    additional funding needed for wireless network in Ohio and North Carolina

    CC: Mobile Data Solutions, Inc July 20, 2004

    Shown scanned copies of a letter that stated funds would be allocated to South Dakota,

    Ohio, New Mexico and Iowa for payment of intermittent electrical problems to occur at specified voting precincts. The addresses were blacked out. Sean told me he might be able to locate the addresses on the server when he is at the school again. (see Key College)

    Information obtained at Key College in August of 2004

    The addresses that this letter was mailed to was located on a three computer terminals

    In August at Key College from an account that Dr. Piotr Blass was using to create 5th dimensional magic square art from. The addresses were in the signature file.

    2 Addiscombe Road Talcahuano 650 Rm 1212, 12/F, Tower E3, Oriental Plaza
    Croydon 1013 Buenos Aires No. 1, East Chang An Ave.,
    CR9 5AF Argentina Dong Cheng District
    England Beijing, China 100738

    Discovered an email from Dr. Cole to Piotr that was talking about a termination notice of an investigator for the Florida Department of Transportation scheduled to take place on June 29, 2003. Funds would be provided by Mr. Baker and picked up at a mail drop in Miami. Piotr was to schedule one of his students to do an errand by driving to the following address and pick up the package. The address was P.O. Box 611374, Miami, FL. Dated June 26 2003.

    Another email was relating to Michael Wynne dated October 30, 2003. The email mentioned the distribution of hardware in predominately African American precincts throughout the state of North Carolina.

    The email stated that further instructions would be mailed from the California project out of Santa Cruz. The letter would be mailed from 1575 Soquel Dr.

    Email from Dr. Cole to Piotr Blass, Sean S Lennon and cc: Southeastern Legal Foundation

    Additional funding secured for UniLect ‘s Project Youngstown to commence testing random computer shutdown for precinct evaluation. March 30, 2004

    Email listing project “Operation Protest” Garry Malphrus –Matt Schlapp-Tom Pyle-Layna McConkey-Kevin Smith

    Dated November 10th 2000. Email from Dr.Cole to Chuck Royal. Cc: Piotr Blass, Sid Bernstein

    Email from Dr. Piotr Blass to RMS at Southeastern Legal Foundation thanking them for funding his Zeozync project. The second part of the letter was directed and I am quoting the text. “Congratulation on working with AIPAC, defending Israel and funding the efforts to oust Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney” Dated: April 1, 2002

    Information obtained at Kaiser College in October of 2004

    Location Southern Blvd. West Palm Beach

    I was helping Dr. Piotr Blass teach a class on 5th dimensional mathematics when he received a phone call (cell) from Sean Lennon. Why I remember this is because Piotr never gets angry and he started to scream at Sean on the phone in front of the students. He started yelling at Sean and told him that the sixth fractal was perfected and the programming was flawless. He said the people in Charlotte and Santa Clara have spent enough time and money. Get the code to work for Project Youngstown or else. When he realized that I had heard him, Piotr told me that he was just overwrought because David wasn’t free yet.

    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Twenty that I will protect

    Jennifer Lynn Ellis (Fundraiser for Al Sharpton ,Public Relations for Robert Trent Jones Jr. Phil Spector’s Ex- Fiancée) (Threat on the phone for her was they would rape, slice and burn her face)
    Al Rogers (Third campaign manager) (Threat-Car accident)
    Ellen Brodsky (Broward County Election Activist-Election Protection) (Threat-Car accident)
    Susan Van Houghten ( Palm Beach Voter Coalition) (Threat-Fire)
    Bill Faulkner (Verified Voting) (Threat-Death)
    David Dill (Verified Voting) (Threat-Death)
    Benjamin Roth (Campaign staff) (Threat-fire)
    Jamie Irene Fisher (Daughter) (Threat-Rape)
    Diane Smith (campaign staff) (Threat-Rape)
    Dr. Patrick Brennan (Okeechobee DEC President) Threat-(Boating accident)
    Reverend William Shelton (Ft. Pierce) man who converted me from Judaism to a Southern Baptist (Threat-Burn his church)
    Rose Jean Swords (Cousin)-Rape
    Chris Petley Florida Democratic Party employee (Tallahassee) (broken bones)
    Joseph T. Brink Husband to Nancy Pena Brink-She helped me get my campaign going in 2003 (broken
    Bones)

    Adina Serell Her husband Bruce and I observed faulty election tests at Theresa Lepore’s main office
    (Threat Rape)

    Ashley Diaz Daughter to Ladd and Mercedes Diaz-(Kidnapping)
    Mitch Caesar Broward County DEC Chairman (Threat accident)
    Marc Benedetti Friend-Haverhill, Ma-Threat-(We will shoot him in the head)
    Pat Nash Friend-(Works in Vermont helping Bernie Sanders Campaign) (Threat-Rape)
    Bill McBride Friend and first endorsement-(car accident)
    Greta Berlin Friend who defends Palestinian rights –We will terminate her by blowing her up.
    Emmie Ross Emme was my first campaign manager-(Threat-Rape)

    I kept this quiet to keep me safe. I let the world know it was twenty, not twenty-two.

    For the great citizens of California some more reasons for why I defend human life and Al Gore.

    Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter worked with Jeff Fisher Jackie Anne Watkins 2007-01-02 1:13 PM
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    Jeff Fisher Logomotives Jeff Fisher 2006-12-22 6:22 AM
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    Attention of WWWQ - FM Radio and Program Director Jeff Fisher 2006-12-12 1:55 PM
    Rrepare to Jam and Rock the New Year!!! (text/plain)
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    hello Jeff Fisher 2006-12-09 11:26 AM
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    Email for White Haven Direct Jeff Fisher 2006-12-01 12:51 PM
    Posting online because I am unable to email this letter due to INternet interference. See Letter to understand then post everywhere. (text/plain)
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    You thought you had troubles -Read this!!!!! Jeff Fisher 2006-11-27 10:15 AMhttp://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/52731_comment.php#52827

    Lets talk about the INS Jeff Fisher 2006-11-27 10:01 AM
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    Common Ground-Life Always Jeff Fisher 2006-11-27 9:55 AM
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    Here is some information to Digest Jeff Fisher 2006-11-27 9:36 AM
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    First Amendment Rights Violated Jeff Fisher 2006-11-27 8:42 AM
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    Why the Press is afraid of my Court Case Jeff Fisher & Jack Lancaster 2006-11-25 2:54 PM
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    Today America entered a new age. An age of wonderous discoveries. An age for Peace All due to an interview on a small unknow radio station in Florida. (text/plain + 5 comments)

    The interview of Jeff Fisher and Ben Roth Robert Klein 2006-11-25 12:30 PM
    I was amazed that this got on the air. Bravo Mr. Fisher and Mr. Roth (text/plain + 1 comment)
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    Identity theft, Fraud, and worldwide Racketeering. Jeff Fisher 2006-11-22 5:40 AM
    The Truth Shall Prevail for Christ always Protects Me Reposted due to error in Title, email address and zipcode. I am very tired trying to save America from the computer room where my father lives in Buckhead, Atlanta. I just wish he would wake up and find out I have been here for almost two days waiting for him so I can tell him I love him. (text/plain + 1 comment)
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    God is My Guide Jeff Fisher 2006-11-14 9:32 AM
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    Jeff Fisher Jeff Fisher 2006-10-06 4:44 AM
    A letter to Brad Friedman proving he is not about reporting the entire truth (text/plain + 13 comments)
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    Fixing Jeff Fisher 2006-09-06 11:45 PM
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    A New kind of Leadership Jeff Fisher 2006-09-06 11:43 PM
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    The Legacy of Ron Brown lives in his son Michael Brown Jeff Fisher 2006-09-06 11:43 PM

    The trial of Jff Fisher vs George W Bush (image/jpeg + 1 comment)

    New Leadership for America Jeff Fisher 2006-09-06 11:36 PM

    ATTENTION AMERICAN VOTERS: IT’S TIME TO TAKE BACK YOUR ELECTIONS Jeff Fisher 2006-09-06 11:36 PM
    FORMER U.S. 2004 CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE JEFF FISHER-FLORIDA DISTRICT 16 IS PREPARING TO TESTIFY AGAINST PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH REGARDING THE 2000 AND 2004 ELECTION (image/jpeg + 5 comments)
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    The added comments is done by people who a re trying to discredit me.
    I don't gamble.

    Division 5 Go Away Jeff Fisher 2006-08-18 7:56 AM

    You are a sick human being Jeff Fisher 2006-08-15 6:03 PM

    To late I already sent the truth to Al Jezeera Jeff Fisher 2006-08-15 8:39 AM

    I am writing from the National Press Club Jeff Fisher 2006-08-15 6:36 AM

    Division 5 I have GOD Jeff Fisher 2006-08-14 6:55 PM
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    Again you can see what people will do to stop the truth. Its very sick and perverse.

    My email account is not working Jeff Fisher 2006-08-14 8:34 AM

    Thank God for Intel because the media has no integrity anymore Jeff Fisher posting an email from Intel 2006-08-13 7:14 PM
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    Grieving Mothers World Wide Jeff Fisher posting an email from Intel 2006-08-13 7:14 PM
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    PeacePlan Jeff Fisher posting an email from Intel 2006-08-13 7:14 PM
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    The first photo was Isreali children practicing hate. This photo is death to the innocent Jeff Fisher posting an email from Intel 2006-08-13 7:14 PM
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    Letter to Washington Post and Washington Times
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    Ending Israel's and AIPAC's Control of our Elections
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    Atlanta Journal Cover Up
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    We the People are taking back our Democracy
    arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/47036.php

    Tortured American Patriot by the Mossad
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    Unraveling the 2000 Election Conspiracy and its connection to 9-11
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    Letter to John Conyers and GWB_BITEMe (at) yahoo.com
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    The Truth is revealed on Indy Media
    arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/46408.php

    Clint Curtis (Deception) v Jeff Fisher (Truth)
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    The Truth shall Prevail to Protect the Children
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    The Rape of America
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    Visiting Congressman Grijalva
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    Letter to Alex Jones of Infowars.com
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    Treason in America
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    Personal note hand delivered to LA Times
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    2000 Election Evidence & the LA Times
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    2000 Election Evidence Proving Conspiracy
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    Some articles posted in Arkansas

    Re: The Jeff Fisher Files
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    Many articles were taken off the indymedia arkansa site therefor I am incuding that link so you can see for yourself how much our first amendment rights have been removed from Americans (ALL AMERICANS)
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    MARK FOLEY AND DRUG FREE AMERICA FOUNDATION
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    PRESS RELEASE: Cynthia McKinney HOLDING PRESS CONFERENCE ON ELECTION FRAUD?
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    The Jeff Fisher Files
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    Israel Plans on Killing our Children worse than Hitler did
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    The Legacy of Ron Brown lives in his son Michael Brown
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    Santa Cruz on February 15
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    Re: PRESS RELEASE ELECTION EVIDENCE
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    Another Days Events to Save America
    Jeff Fisher | 31.07.2006 04:33
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    About Hate Mail
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    The Truth Shall Prevail and Peace will be attained in the Middle East due to a Peace Plan written in 2003

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    Wayne Madsen
    Sources close to U.S. intelligence pointed to a $29.6 million check supposedly issued on October 22, 2004, by Laurentian Bank in Montreal, Canada, that was rumored by intelligence circles to have been used to pay for the technicians who developed the software to rig the election. The computer voting machine technicians and maintenance personnel involved with the rigging were reported to have included Russians, Mexicans, and Brazilians.

    globalresearch.ca/articles/MAD412A.html

    find email from Blass

    Possible connection to Blass, Klock and $10,000.

    Journalist information
    Russell Baker (Nation Magazine) has interviewed Sean Lennon on Nov. 12, 2004 and had Sean verbally confirm that there is documentation regarding election fraud.

    FBI Meeting
    Monday November 11th, 2004 late afternoon approx. 5:00 P.M.

    Al Rogers, Jeff Fisher-Agent Jeff Fativa-2nd agent name unknown

    505 Flagler Drive, West Palm Beach, Florida

    (305) 944-9101

    Approx. time of meeting two hours
    November 17th, 2004

    Sent fax to Miami FBI office. The fax was a copy of an email stating that Dr. Blass demanding loyalty to obtain information from Sean Lennon. ________________________________________________________________________________

    Hard copy
    Mailed to Omaha full text copy of an email from Paul S. Otellini of Intel. (Paperwork from Sean S. Lennon, seanlennon (at) cyberbless.com taken while he went to the bathroom) This is dated from mid 2004 relating to funding for specific development costs of a specialized BIOS in the chip set for randomly placed voting machines to ensure the final vote tally on the North Carolina U.S. Senate Race.

    *Mailed to a plastic surgeon in Manhattan a 1999 full text email from Henry D.G. Wallace to Joseph Klock verifying payment will continue on schedule for recruiting and training costs.

    See ***
    *Mailed to an investigator in London, two1998 full text emails. (Located nearby to the Tube’s Southern Route.) These emails verified payment to Joseph Klock from Alan J. Weber-CitiBank.

    Mr. Weber’s expertise was in technology transactions through the Pacific Rim
    See ***
    **This information is where Bev Harris has to investigate further. I don’t have the resources to undergo the connection between Diebold and Global Election Systems but this where at least some of the financing for the 2000 general election originated from. VoteRemote was mentioned and absentee vote tally.

    Sent original copy to London for safekeeping.

    (I have tried on several occasions to reach the person who has this information)

    The person goes by the name of James Lawrence and he lives in Liverpool. That is whom I sent that information on July 30, 2004.

    This document was a banking record from the Cayman Islands. It had handwritten notes on it linking a team of airplane mechanics who would be used to sabotage Senator Paul Wellstone airplane to insure that he didn’t survive. The initials on the letter were JA –AJ

    I was shocked to see this and realized that the letters possibly stood for John Ashcroft, Attorney General. The note was dated January 2, 2002.

    Further names listed found on Dr. Piotr Blass computer in his home.

    Discovered in August of 2004 while Dr. Blass was teaching at Key College in Dania Beach, Florida over a period of days.

    One email mentioning psychological studies on election tactics that could be used in 2000. This was dated on Dr. Blass’s computer May 1, 2000. It was sent from to Dr Cole baypointmc (at) aol.com

    One email sent to Charles Figley cfigley (at) garnet.acns.fsu.edu letting him know that Jeff Fisher has obtained information from Sean to relay to Kerry. Dated: July 27, 2004
    One email sent to Mike Razar mjrx (at) aol.com letting him know that Jeff Fisher has obtained information from Sean to relay to Kerry. Dated: July 28, 2004
    (What I don’t understand is that Mike Razar was giving advice to Piotr on having his son released from Growing Together. I remember overhearing Piotr mentioning to his son, Oscar that Mike had a plan that would involve physical force like Entebbe to free David.)

    One email sent to Adam Michnik adam.michnik (at) agora.pl letting him know that Jeff Fisher has obtained information from Sean and that David would be release soon thanks to negotiations between Joe Klock and Mel Sembler.
    Dated: July 29, 2004
    (I questioned Piotr about Joe Klock and his relationship with Mel Sembler and having David released from Growing Together. Dr. Blass told me he needed ten thousand dollars to get David released and he was contemplating contacting Joe for the needed funds.)

    (Why would a friend of Piotr’s in Poland be concerned about the election information that I obtained from Sean?)

    I understood the reason about seeking help for his son and why he might consider soliciting financial help from friends and colleagues.

    Email received from borowskibiuro (at) wp.pl stating deposit for 100,000.00 zł waiting for instructions regarding military applications in the Baltic Region and for the project in North Carolina.

    Cc: Michael Wynne. Dated October 20, 2003.

    One email sent to Jeb Bush stating that the project at Bay Point was going well and testing was almost complete. Dated March 1, 2000.

    Two emails sent to Katherine Harris requesting information on State Representative Tom Feeney and hired consultant Clint Curtis.

    Dated September 20th and October 10th 2000.

    One email sent to Theresa Lepore informing her that her design was approved and tested at Bay Point for one purpose. To test and analyze the psychological distress among the elderly, especially the Jewish population in West Palm Beach and Boca Raton regarding the placement of punch holes on the ballot referring to Patrick Buchannon. October 20, 2000

    E-mail sent to Sean Lennon asking if coding for Cibola, McKinley County and Socorro County were in place. Dated July 1, 2004

    The following signature was on this email.

    (F3 tav)2

    (3.14E+00 /r2) Bay studies verified at Key. Encryption 100%

    Two emails sent to Mel Sembler.

    First email was from March 2000 stating he needed more funds toward the creation of a new program.

    The second was from June of 2002 stating that testing was finalized in Louisiana and Georgia for the upcoming Democratic Gubernatorial Primary in September. The methodology was to create vote swapping between Daryl Jones and Janet Reno. This was to take place so Bill McBride would be the Democratic candidate facing Governor Jeb Bush.

    Three emails sent to John_CALHOUN (at) pba.edu from Dr. Piotr Blass and cc: Dr. Cole

    The first email stating that all was forgiven and five stars were providing assistance for Theresa for upcoming primary. Dated June 1, 2004

    The second email stated that a transfer of £200,000.00 would transfer from the United Emirates to a bank in New Zealand designated for Palm Beach, Butte, Campbell and Codington Counties for November 2nd 2004 U.S. Senate Races. Dated July 26, 2004.

    The third email stated that a transfer of £250,000.00 would transfer from the United Emirates to a bank in New Zealand designated for Cuyahoga, Warren, Butte, Campbell and Codington Counties for November 2nd 2004 Presidential Race. Dated July 31, 2004.

    Meeting with Sean Lennon

    July 27, 2004

    Location: Public Library, (Town)

    2nd floor

    Internet access

    Sean directs me to his web-site plus two others that are under construction.

    In the published web site, (www.cyberbless.com) he shows me a backdoor entrance that he password protected. In side the site he had a link to the other two sites where he had stored some information.

    He then told me about how Bay Point School was training some of the kids in computerized programming that he was in charge of. Sean also told me that that these kids and prior ones were also being trained by a former instructor and another one before that one. That this specific training and testing dates as far back as 1996, Sean informed me. He wouldn’t tell me anymore on this. Sean then elaborated that Joseph Klock was sexually abusing the kids and that this training was their only way out of being abused.

    I remember asking Sean why was he being so secretive about this since I was working so hard to get Piotr’s son out of Growing Together in Lake Worth, Florida. He said that it was related through the Straight program. Sean then went on to tell me that the kids were writing election software that would change the outcome of the 2000 Florida General Election Results to ensure that the Republican ticket were to win the Presidential race. He told me that the way they were going to do it was by using the names of Felons whose names were purged and not purged to cast votes electronically in several counties without their knowledge. The coding of software would create under and over voting leaning toward a specific candidate that would appear unpremeditated to the average voting inspector who might try to establish an audit trail. He told me the names of a few counties where it would take place, Miami-Dade, Broward, Polk and Volusia. He said that they were going to use ten counties to manipulate the vote.

    He then proceeded to open one folder (labeled BPS) inside the directory to reveal several sub folders, which he informed me, had incriminating files regarding Bay Point School and election tampering from 1996 to 2004.

    These folders were listed as 1996, 1997,1998,1999,2000,2001,2002,2003,2004. He opened 1999, 2000, 2001,2002 and 2004, one at a time over the next two plus hours.

    Inside he had scanned e-mails and Intranet communications at Bay Point School that he had intercepted though the present system. Sean then on his own decided to look through archived hard drives because he felt he was being used as the fall guy. This is when he told me that as an ex marine he had faced fear but he learned that someone who worked with him that had been missing was actually murdered. He told me he went to Dr. Blass with this information back in 2003. He told me that Blass said to remain quiet until he found a reliable and trustworthy person who could pass the information onto the proper authorities.

    1999- shown scanned e-mails from Joseph Klock and Katherine Harris, Joseph Klock and Mel Sembler, Joseph Klock and State Representative Tom Feeney regarding the progress of Clinton Curtis, Joseph Klock and Theresa Lepore and Joseph Klock and Governor Jeb Bush.

    Katherine Harris-This folder he showed me one e-mail. There were at least dozen more that he wouldn’t open. His reason was that I had to get this much information to Kerry as soon as possible. I needed to prove my loyalty to protecting him as well as Dr. Blass. The email consisted of maintaining communications for finances between Joseph Klock, her and Mel Sembler.
    Mel Sembler-Two emails opened. Ten more that he wouldn’t open. The first email stated that Mel Sembler would continue funding along with other individuals from New York, California, Texas, Ohio and overseas for the completion of the project to make George W. Bush the next president of the United States. The second email said that trainees (clients) from Straight and other affiliates would be transported to Bay Point or to Louisiana, Georgia or California after the General Election to continue the project in newer and bolder avenues for further elections in the upcoming millennium.
    State Representative Tom Feeney- three emails opened-six more remained unopened. The first email stated that Katherine Harris and Theresa Lepore were in discussion of designing a ballot that would create havoc in Palm Beach County. It main purpose was to act as a diversion while the operation from Bay Point and the work from other programmers in California and Florida would take place from computer terminals inside several SOE offices in Florida.
    The second email mentioned that Clint Curtis was one of the programmers who created a workable version with help from Bay Point notes mailed to him. (This is from 1999-Clint’s version tells everyone that he was contacted in 2000)

    The third email mentioned that Tom Feeney would be guaranteed a win in 2002 for the U.S. House of Representatives by the incoming Administration for his efforts.

    D. Theresa Lepore-Two emails opened-Six remained unopened. First email stating that she contact the Secretary of State to inform her the programming and trial tests were completed and ran at 100% with no possible way to audit the results back to the original source. The tests were run one hundred times at three different locations located in Miami-Dade County, Broward County and Charlotte County.

    The second email was a confirmation letter from Teresa Lepore saying that she had contacted the Secretary of State with the good news.

    E. Governor Jeb Bush-Two emails opened. Ten unopened. First email stated that the Governor could inform the team in Texas that all trials were at 100%.

    The second was that Joseph Klock distance himself from an attorney on his Board of Directors. No name was given. (I believe it might be Roy Black)

    The only time I met Roy Black was the night of December 2nd, 2004 going over some of the information that I gave to the FBI on I believe was November 8th, 2004. The reason being that Agent Jeff Fativa had informed Al Rogers and I not to reveal any information beyond what was placed on the web-site. He and the other agent informed us that if we did reveal any other information we might be obstructing the law regarding the ongoing investigation and face possible arrest.

    2000- shown scanned e-mails from Joseph Klock and Karen Hughes, Joseph Klock and Katherine Harris, Joseph Klock and Michael Bilarikis and Joseph Klock and Connie Mack.

    Karen Hughes-verified email stating the final results would have her candidate with a one thousand to two thousand vote lead insuring Florida went to the GOP. (May, June or July)
    Michael Bilarikis-shown email that Mel Sembler was funding him not just for his political career but to arrange a channel of communication between Bay Point and the Secretary of State for Florida, Katherine Harris on November 2nd, 2000.
    Connie Mack-One e-mail opened-Three remained unopened. Confirmation of payment from Mel Sembler to the Congressman for services rendered to Michael Bilarakis and Katherine Harris for channeling funds from overseas toward the project in California and Florida.
    2001- showed scanned e-mails from Joseph Klock, Linda Fisher and Lawrence Lindsey and informed of an Intranet communication between Klock and one of the programmers. Scanned e-mail from Joseph Klock that was cc: Italian Ambassador Mel Sembler, United Kingdom Minister for E-commerce and Competitiveness Douglas Alexander and Porter Goss.

    This e-mail mentioned that CitiBank and Banco Sao Paulo didn’t received the scheduled transaction from Monsanto and questioned the specific Intranet communiqué regarding the validity of intelligence from J.G. Roche.
    The possibilities of channeling funds through e-commerce were being reviewed in the United Kingdom and Italy upon the success of the 2002 Florida General Election.
    Email received from Douglas Alexander to Porter Goss and Joseph Klock stating that monies
    transferred from Beijing to Zurich to J.M. and C. Group. (I have to thank Ken Martin of Bermuda Dunes, California for last summer while cooking on the barbecue we were talking about politics and he brought up the subject of the Carlyle Group and James Baker. I then solved the riddle of the group and have come up with the possibility that J.M. might be the former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom John Major)

    2002- shown scanned e-mail from Joseph Klock to Jeb Bush and Charlie Crist,

    E-mail dated after the 2002 Florida Democratic Primary (Mid to late September) stating that the felons’ procedure was a success in the election of Bill McBride over Janet Reno and Darryl Jones.
    2003- shown scanned e-mail from Joseph Klock to Jeb Bush, Charlie Crist and Porter Goss.

    E-mail dated August 7th or 8th, 2003 stating that procedures were going as planned in the nations capitol and there would be no repeat of legal battles for the upcoming 2004 election.

    Re-election was guaranteed and Porter would be taking a new position in the administration.

    2004- shown scanned e-mail from Joseph Klock to Jeb Bush, Charlie Crist cc: H. Ahmanson and Mel Sembler.

    Email stated that additional funds would be redirected through the Chalcedon Institute for Kerry Martin and Todd Urosevich. July 20, 2004

    shown scanned letter from Joseph Klock to H. Ahmanson cc: Jonathan Waters

    additional funding needed for wireless network in Ohio and North Carolina

    CC: Mobile Data Solutions, Inc July 20, 2004

    Shown scanned copies of a letter that stated funds would be allocated to South Dakota,

    Ohio, New Mexico and Iowa for payment of intermittent electrical problems to occur at specified voting precincts. The addresses were blacked out. Sean told me he might be able to locate the addresses on the server when he is at the school again. (see Key College)

    Information obtained at Key College in August of 2004

    The addresses that this letter was mailed to was located on a three computer terminals

    In August at Key College from an account that Dr. Piotr Blass was using to create 5th dimensional magic square art from. The addresses were in the signature file.

    2 Addiscombe Road Talcahuano 650 Rm 1212, 12/F, Tower E3, Oriental Plaza
    Croydon 1013 Buenos Aires No. 1, East Chang An Ave.,
    CR9 5AF Argentina Dong Cheng District
    England Beijing, China 100738

    Discovered an email from Dr. Cole to Piotr that was talking about a termination notice of an investigator for the Florida Department of Transportation scheduled to take place on June 29, 2003. Funds would be provided by Mr. Baker and picked up at a mail drop in Miami. Piotr was to schedule one of his students to do an errand by driving to the following address and pick up the package. The address was P.O. Box 611374, Miami, FL. Dated June 26 2003.

    Another email was relating to Michael Wynne dated October 30, 2003. The email mentioned the distribution of hardware in predominately African American precincts throughout the state of North Carolina.

    The email stated that further instructions would be mailed from the California project out of Santa Cruz. The letter would be mailed from 1575 Soquel Dr.

    Email from Dr. Cole to Piotr Blass, Sean S Lennon and cc: Southeastern Legal Foundation

    Additional funding secured for UniLect ‘s Project Youngstown to commence testing random computer shutdown for precinct evaluation. March 30, 2004

    Email listing project “Operation Protest” Garry Malphrus –Matt Schlapp-Tom Pyle-Layna McConkey-Kevin Smith

    Dated November 10th 2000. Email from Dr.Cole to Chuck Royal. Cc: Piotr Blass, Sid Bernstein

    Email from Dr. Piotr Blass to RMS at Southeastern Legal Foundation thanking them for funding his Zeozync project. The second part of the letter was directed and I am quoting the text. “Congratulation on working with AIPAC, defending Israel and funding the efforts to oust Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney” Dated: April 1, 2002

    Information obtained at Kaiser College in October of 2004

    Location Southern Blvd. West Palm Beach

    I was helping Dr. Piotr Blass teach a class on 5th dimensional mathematics when he received a phone call (cell) from Sean Lennon. Why I remember this is because Piotr never gets angry and he started to scream at Sean on the phone in front of the students. He started yelling at Sean and told him that the sixth fractal was perfected and the programming was flawless. He said the people in Charlotte and Santa Clara have spent enough time and money. Get the code to work for Project Youngstown or else. When he realized that I had heard him, Piotr told me that he was just overwrought because David wasn’t free yet.

    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Twenty that I will protect

    Jennifer Lynn Ellis (Fundraiser for Al Sharpton ,Public Relations for Robert Trent Jones Jr. Phil Spector’s Ex- Fiancée) (Threat on the phone for her was they would rape, slice and burn her face)
    Al Rogers (Third campaign manager) (Threat-Car accident)
    Ellen Brodsky (Broward County Election Activist-Election Protection) (Threat-Car accident)
    Susan Van Houghten ( Palm Beach Voter Coalition) (Threat-Fire)
    Bill Faulkner (Verified Voting) (Threat-Death)
    David Dill (Verified Voting) (Threat-Death)
    Benjamin Roth (Campaign staff) (Threat-fire)
    Jamie Irene Fisher (Daughter) (Threat-Rape)
    Diane Smith (campaign staff) (Threat-Rape)
    Dr. Patrick Brennan (Okeechobee DEC President) Threat-(Boating accident)
    Reverend William Shelton (Ft. Pierce) man who converted me from Judaism to a Southern Baptist (Threat-Burn his church)
    Rose Jean Swords (Cousin)-Rape
    Chris Petley Florida Democratic Party employee (Tallahassee) (broken bones)
    Joseph T. Brink Husband to Nancy Pena Brink-She helped me get my campaign going in 2003 (broken
    Bones)

    Adina Serell Her husband Bruce and I observed faulty election tests at Theresa Lepore’s main office
    (Threat Rape)

    Ashley Diaz Daughter to Ladd and Mercedes Diaz-(Kidnapping)
    Mitch Caesar Broward County DEC Chairman (Threat accident)
    Marc Benedetti Friend-Haverhill, Ma-Threat-(We will shoot him in the head)
    Pat Nash Friend-(Works in Vermont helping Bernie Sanders Campaign) (Threat-Rape)
    Bill McBride Friend and first endorsement-(car accident)
    Greta Berlin Friend who defends Palestinian rights –We will terminate her by blowing her up.
    Emmie Ross Emme was my first campaign manager-(Threat-Rape)

    I kept this quiet to keep me safe. I let the world know it was twenty, not twenty-two.

    This is for Patrick J Fitzgerald to use as evidence if this is censured.

    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2007/08/impeachment_the_conversation_c_1.html

    It’s refreshing to see this is happening. Now I can contact Patrick J Fitzgerald and tell him that Jeff Fisher is ready to lower the big boom on Richard B Cheney. The American Turkish Council and its direct relationship with BayPoint School.

    Mr. Cheney, meet the man who will defend the absolute truth.

    I am going to have you placed in Shackles for so many crimes.

    I was very upset the other day when Judge Roberts got ill. I gave to his Chief of Staff key information about you and the ATC and its connection to BayPoint School. Did you try to poison the Chief Justice?

    When George went into surgery I prayed with many people in DuPont Circle that he would be OK. You are more evil than George could ever be and George is quite evil. Do me a favor. Tell Chertoff his days are finished along with Alberto Gonzalez and Karl Rove

    I am so glad that James Earl Carter and Gerald Ford gave me the added courage along with my true belief in Jesus Christ to never forget about the 35 dead black teenagers I saw photos of on July 27th, 2004 along with so much other evidence.

    Good night Richard.
    The days of your dictatorship are about to end.

    Try the link to my name also. The absolute truth
    will be told.

    It’s refreshing to see this is happening. Now I can contact Patrick J Fitzgerald and tell him that Jeff Fisher is ready to lower the big boom on Richard B Cheney. The American Turkish Council and its direct relationship with BayPoint School.

    Mr. Cheney, meet the man who will defend the absolute truth.

    I am going to have you placed in Shackles for so many crimes.

    I was very upset the other day when Judge Roberts got ill. I gave to his Chief of Staff key information about you and the ATC and its connection to BayPoint School. Did you try to poison the Chief Justice?

    When George went into surgery I prayed with many people in DuPont Circle that he would be OK. You are more evil than George could ever be and George is quite evil. Do me a favor. Tell Chertoff his days are finished along with Alberto Gonzalez and Karl Rove

    I am so glad that James Earl Carter and Gerald Ford gave me the added courage along with my true belief in Jesus Christ to never forget about the 35 dead black teenagers I saw photos of on July 27th, 2004 along with so much other evidence.

    Good night Richard.
    The days of your dictatorship are about to end.

    Try the link to my name also. The absolute truth
    will be told.


    It’s refreshing to see this is happening. Now I can contact Patrick J Fitzgerald and tell him that Jeff Fisher is ready to lower the big boom on Richard B Cheney. The American Turkish Council and its direct relationship with BayPoint School.

    Mr. Cheney, meet the man who will defend the absolute truth.

    I am going to have you placed in Shackles for so many crimes.

    I was very upset the other day when Judge Roberts got ill. I gave to his Chief of Staff key information about you and the ATC and its connection to BayPoint School. Did you try to poison the Chief Justice?

    When George went into surgery I prayed with many people in DuPont Circle that he would be OK. You are more evil than George could ever be and George is quite evil. Do me a favor. Tell Chertoff his days are finished along with Alberto Gonzalez and Karl Rove

    I am so glad that James Earl Carter and Gerald Ford gave me the added courage along with my true belief in Jesus Christ to never forget about the 35 dead black teenagers I saw photos of on July 27th, 2004 along with so much other evidence.

    Good night Richard.
    The days of your dictatorship are about to end.

    I'm very disappointed that Bill Moyers is still ignoring Kucinich in regards to this issue. I think we would have all been better served if Bill had invited Kucinich on the Journal to talk impeachment rather than just play this piece again. Anyone looking for leadership in congress on the impeachment issue among many others should visit kucinich.us. He also happens to be running for president.....ahem.

    While I agree with everything that was said by your guests about Bush and Cheney, I am sick and tired of the comparisons to Bill Clinton. PBS played it safe by showing a vignette of Clinton's impeachment, pictures of Paula Jones, etc. Clinton was impeached purely as a power grab, by hypocrites like Bob Barr, who was having an affair of his own. Moreover, how could you possibly ask, with any sincerity, whether we needed more Tom Delays in Congress. Like Bush and Cheney, he would do anything to feed his greed. Bush and Cheney should be impeached immediately. Clinton's impeachment was a despicable act and destructive to the country.

    Bruce Fein and John Nichols explaining why Bush and Cheney must be impeached. They did a fantastic job of explaining what is at stake for the future of our democracy if Bush and Cheney are not held to account by being impeached.

    Bravo!

    Another outstanding job of investigative reporting by Bill Moyers. This is the kind of information the public needs in order to begin to take back our government from the neoconservatives who simply do not believe in democracy. I do however take issue with the short video on John Kerry which was totally taken out of context, and actually distorts his views about the war. Let's look at what Kerry said after that quote used here as he voted on the senate floor: "The administration, I believe, is now committed to a recognition that war must be the last option to address this threat, not the first, and that we must act in concert with allies around the globe to make the world's case against Saddam Hussein. Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies. In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days -- to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out. If we do wind up going to war with Iraq, it is imperative that we do so with others in the international community, unless there is a showing of a grave, imminent -- and I emphasize "imminent" -- threat to this country which requires the President to respond in a way that protects our immediate national security needs. Let there be no doubt or confusion about where we stand on this. I will support a multilateral effort to disarm him by force, if we ever exhaust those other options, as the President has promised, but I will NOT support a unilateral U.S. war against Iraq unless that threat is imminent and the multilateral effort has not proven possible under any circumstances. In voting to grant the President the authority, I am NOT giving him carte blanche to run roughshod over every country that poses or may pose some kind of potential threat to the United States. Every nation has the right to act preemptively if it faces an imminent and grave threat, for its self-defense under the standards of law. The threat we face today with Iraq does NOT meet that test yet." So you see -- I'm really ticked off that John Kerry was singled out as beating the drums for war. His was instead a remarkably well thought out position, with conditions which, if carried out by the President, would have precluded the need for war.

    let's bring the fairness doctirne to PBS so both sides can be present with the same amount of time. Once agin bill you left leaning ideas are there. Let's defund PBS or have PBS give the same amount of time to the other side to be FAIR>

    I'm going to send this link to CNN, FOX and MSNBC. Those lame "journalists" need to get off their duffs and make like they belong to the Fourth Estate. Edward R. Murrow must be spinning in his grave! Thank the gods for PBS.

    Encore! Encore! Bravo!!!Bravo!!!

    Mr. Moyers show may be the tipping point that has not
    occured..the one where Impeachment appears at the center of a great big round table and all Americans can see it on CSPAN!!! Mr. Moyers, John Nichols, and Bruce Fein
    have my respect and gratitude for what may help
    save the Constitution and
    our freedom!!! I vote to see it again after Sep 4th
    if Pelosi does not act following her vacation.
    For more Impeachment News
    and Reviews..see...

    AfterDowningStreet.org

    Bill Moyers, you are a Saint in my book! Bless you and PBS for producing and airing this program on Impeachment (and your entire Journal program). If only the network channels showed such courage, compassion, creativity and spunk. I believe Cheney and Bush W. should have been impeached in 2000. Was this premature? Hoho, I think not! Their crimes against our Constitution, the Environment and People of the World are gut-wrenching, depressing, demoralizing and disempowering...how successful they are! They came into power illegally and they are devastating all I hold dear. But, there is hope...if we insist our Congress get off thier butts, develop spines and take action! Thank you, Bill Moyers and PBS. More, more, more...please! Bill Moyer’s Journal is the best program on TV...superb journalism. I wish every citizen 10-years-old (younger? sure!) to 110 would tune in.

    I agree with John Nichols that Impeachment is not a constitutional crisis but the remedy to a constitutional crisis; and that if congress and the media were doing their jobs the Bush-Cheney team would have been nipped in the bud. Congress needs to start impeachment proceedings on both of them, NOW!

    Bill, Id like to see you invite Chalmers Johnson onto your show to provide another wake-up call to America. Maybe Noam Chomsky as well.

    This is an opportunity to find out more about the actions taken by Congressman Ron Paul to restore the Constitution to it's rightful place as the law of the land:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFfdB5OzlyQ

    It was so refreshing and inspiring to finally hear an intelligent dialogue between a Democrat and a Republican on Bill Moyer’s Journal! Not to mention, honest conversation about the need for Impeachment! The candid discussion, between the three of you, educated the public in understanding that Impeachment is a cure, and not a punishment. It is a necessary process to control the Executive Branch’s lawlessness. It is clear that at this moment in time, an Impeachment is essential for the future of America.

    Our Democracy is crumbling. This Administration has made a mockery of our principles. Incredulously the entire Congress, Senate, Executive Branch and the Media seem to be bound together, unwittingly promoting a Fascist Ideology. They have made us trade our Liberty for an illusive Security. Their answer to ‘Terror’ is to terrorize other countries and any body who happen to be in their way.

    This Administration has deceptively taken us into an illegal war. Our Government has brought shame upon our country and to humanity. The world sees us as hypocrites. They view our Nation as fair weathered Democracy.

    What happened to the simple proven notion that torture never produces any viable information! What about the fundamental rights of every incarcerated human being to face their accusers in a court of law! Are we so scared that we are no longer able to reason and have lost all wisdom?

    Clearly, the terrorists have forced us to give up our principles, but all is not lost. Precisely is this turmoil, our Democracy needs to stand up on it’s two feet. We need to reclaim our sanity, learn from our mistakes, undo all injustices, and restore our privacy. Our nation must face problems without sacrificing our freedom.

    It is time for Congress to step up and exercise their prerogative to impeach the current administration. They must set aside their politics and follow the wisdom of our founding fathers to reign in an errant Executive Branch.


    Write your congressmen and tell them to support Dennis Kucinich's bill to impeach Cheney. There is a Representative from Ohio who comes from defending the constitution, voted no on invasion of Iraq, voted no on funding the war, and stands on all important issues instead of dancing the dance of politics to the big oil and the insurance corporates tune. Thats Dennis Kucinich. Look him up: Kucinich for President. Another good website: ww.expertvoter.com

    I posted twice yesterday and haven't seen either one. There are apparently numerous people and organizations that are attempting to "reinstate" the Constitution and it's limitations on the Federal Government as the law of the land. The document has been trashed by all three branches of government for many years prior to the Bush administration, perhaps not to the degree that this current Executive Branch has, but it has been done in increments. Unfortunately, the American people are apathetic to information that is not of the " feel good" variety. But I thank Moyer for trying to present a different view not usually heard on the six o'clock network news.
    With respect to impeachment, the democrats have no credibility since it appears they are attempting to pay back the republicans for their treatment of Bill Clinton. Although he hasn't call for impeachment as far as I know, Congressman Ron Paul has been the champion of the Constitution for many years in all cases, and has been the most articulate critic of the Bush administration specifically and the neo-con movement in general.

    My congratulations on running the impeachment program again. I hope that more Americans will pay attention to this vital issue.
    As to Nancy Pelosi's position, I feel that both your guests failed to understand the predicament she is in. There are just not enough votes in the House (or Senate) to support impeachment at this time -- all Republicans would vote against it, and so would some Democrats. If this were brought up for a vote, it would suffer an embarrassing defeat, killing off any prospect of it being introduced later.
    If more Republicans would cave in, it would be a different story, but we have what we have.
    Trying to open a serious impeachment investigation would also be doomed to defeat.
    About the only strategy left open to Pelosi and Reid is to keep up the investigations by Waxman and others, in the hope that the truth will eventually prevail and reach these stubborn GOP holdouts.
    At the same time, I urge everyone to write to Nancy and our congresspersons regarding the evils of this presidency and the need for impeachment.
    Let's keep up the pressure.

    Bill .. just a short added suggestion .. I am not computer illiterate, but I did have a little trouble posting on your blog (about Dennis Kucinich H. Res. 333 to impeach); it was not very intuitive. Better get your webmaster to make it easier. With all the positive comments, it blows my mind how many there might have been had it been easier!

    With everso sincere gratitude, thank you Bill Moyers for such Keen, Objecitve and realistic Journalism and your show Friday Aug 10, 2007.

    Let us" WE THE PEOPLE" - all U. S. Citizens living into this twentyfirst century- set a well balanced tone for Democracy in this Republic - IMPEACH the BUSH/CHENEY ADMINISTRATION; even dis-elect those who in congress are not more than a " Pot calling a Kettle Black "; and thereby together, teach to succeeding generations of "WE THE PEOPLE" that the Wisdom of the Founding Fathers imparted through the United States' Constitution gives us the means (IF/ When-Necessary) for a Peaceful diplomatic -under RULE of LAW REVOLUTION. YES! Absolutley! WE THE PEOPLE SHOULD IMPEACH and demad from Congress the Process of Impeachment for Both the Vice President and the President and thereby send a Clear message about Democracy to all the World and restore hope for each and all whose rights are now clearly in jeopardy by many within our unwholsome government. Yours Very truly yours,
    L.R.McC.-G.

    There are no words in any language of this earth that do proper justice to the sheer rot in the bowels of George Bush and Dick Cheney...and their mere presence anywhere near the nation's capitol constitutes proof positive that the average American votes with his or her big toe...and it is not the one that contains the single brain cell, and that the American people don't care what gets dredged out of the estuary and dumped on the plush carpeting of high office.
    Throughout six very miserable years of the mass murder of 3/4 of a million Iraqi people on their own soil and bald faced pathological lies, the Bush reptilian regime has made certain that as a once free nation, America now lies dead...I mean face down in the gutter in a pool of its own blood DEAD.
    Not a solitary bit of this has to do with whether I am a phlegmocrat or a gopster---quite in fact I solemnly hate both parties and the way they have BOTH sold the American people and our CONSTITUTION out to Israel. The impeachment, criminal prosecution and execution of Bush and Cheney is but a mere first step on the long and very steep dirt and rock strewn road to Constitutional justice...but an absolutely necessary one.

    I agree with Bruce Fein for the most part- “Most important thing for the American people to know is that the great genius of the founding fathers, their revolutionary idea, with the chief mission of the state is to make you and them free to pursue their ambitions and faculties. Not to build empires, not to aggrandize government. That's the mission of the state, to make them free, chart their own destiny. And the burden is on the government to try to understand why that freedom has to be curtailed for a security purpose or otherwise.”

    I found last nights dialogue one of the only intelligent non political discussions I have seen on Television in the last few years.

    This isn't about Republicans or Democrats this is ABOUT America and OUR FREEDOMS.

    As a long time conservative I find it so so hard to believe what some of the new cons ...I mean NEO CONS are saying and I find it harder to believe how so many of my fellow Americans buy the trash that is flushed down their throats.

    This President and VP needs to understand that we see him and understand how he is under the cover of national security going against every guideline that our founding fathers mapped out for us.

    This Congress and Senate needs to push this President back so that the Executive branch does not become a Kings platform.

    Impeachment IS a healthy direction right now for the future of our country

    I posted already, but I don't see it out there, so I'll try again. Does everyone know about the march on Washington re. insisting on impeachment proceedinds starting now?? I hope that many who are posting plan to attend this on September 15. Ramsey Clark is putting it together and it should be not only enlightening, but fun as well.
    This subject couldn't be more important, but a public who is raised on the pablum they call history have missed out on really the most vital struggles of the American people. If we pull away from all of the tv watching in favor of public participation in our own governing, we CAN actually cause change that is way overdue. Wouldn't the corporations such as the pharmaceuticals and the big defense contractors be surprised??

    I saw the program on impeachement last night. I have wondered why impeachment proceedings have not been started for most of time that Bush/Cheney have "reigned". I particurarly liked the comments that they believe they are above the law and reign like kings. My question is: since no one in the congress seems to have the courage to begin the impeachment process, is there a way for the public to get it started? Bush/Cheney have got to be "reigned in" before there is so much damage done that US & the world can't recover. Please tell us how we can take back our country and stop the damage being done by power mongers like Bush/Cheneny. The Congress is not much better than the Pres as they have abdicated their power and rights. Can somebody please get us back on the path that the founding fathers dreamed for us?

    Thanks once more for the show last night. I will send Nancy Pelosi an email and encourage others to do the same. Keep it up.

    Apparently some of the people writing in didn't actually view the program. To call Bruce Fein a "liberal" is laughable. Mr. Fein is a Constitutional scholar who served in several positions in the Reagan Administration, has been an adjunct scholar at AEI and the Heritage Foundation (two extremely far Right think tanks), writes for the Washington Times (a far Right publication), and led the charge to impeach President Clinton. If I may quote Mr. Fein himself as a proper description of him, "He is a man who places his love of his country over the love of his party."

    The Oath of Office of The President of The United States of America is as follows.
    “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States”.
    It is the primary job of the President of the United States of America to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. This, the President has failed to do.
    A Constitutional crisis exists and who among you will step up to challenge that we face as a nation. Who among you has the courage, conviction, and sense of what the framers of the Constitution had in mind when they determined that no one, not even the President is above the law. Who among you will put the fate of the Nation, the fate of the United States Constitution, above party politics, partisanship, party loyalty, or reelection campaigns? A very real threat exists to our very form of government, to our very Democracy. A very real crisis faces the basic tenets and foundation of our way of life, our Constitution and our Democracy and our Freedom as a People. Who among you will have the courage, conviction, and a sense of history, to cry out as a voice of and for the people and raise the alarm that our Democracy is under attack, not from without but from within and in the form of a President that has broken his Oath of Office and his Oath to the People and his Oath to preserve protect and defend the Constitution. The President of the United States see his power as absolute and above all governance, placing himself above the Law, the Congress, above the Supreme Court of the Land. The voice of the people cries out and demands that the “Impeachment” process be considered and enacted to check the authority of the President. If congress will not defend our Constitution who will? The framers of the Constitution must have felt that “Impeachment” and the “Impeachment” process was a very important and integral part of our form of government and basic to the defense of our Freedoms, and to the defense of the Constitution as it is mentioned in “Article I section II sub-paragraph (5), Article I section III sub-paragraph (6), Article I section III sub-paragraph (7), Article II section II sub-paragraph (1), Article II section IV, Article III section II sub-paragraph (3). Impeachment is mentioned a total of six (6) times in the Seven (7) Articles of the Constitution.
    We had another George in our history at one time and another war was fought because that George also assumed he had imperial sovereign powers and felt he was absolute and the law of the land, above and beyond the Courts, the Congress, and the People. Has Congress really surrendered that kind of power to the President? No one, not even the President of The United States of America should be above the laws of the land. The Eyes and Ears of the world watch us very closely as the defenders of Freedom. Has Congress as the nations legislative body and we as a nation abandoned our defense of freedom? If we have then who becomes the terrorist and who will defend us against the terrorist in what ever form that may take. We come very close to undoing all that our Country has stood for during the past two hundred years. The President is accountable to the People and does not have absolute power. His acts are not defensible and are a clear challenge not only to congress, but also to the constitution and especially the people of the United States and also to the People of the World. Are we are answerable for our actions? Prove we are a Nation of Laws. Save our Constitution. This is a crisis.

    I fully agree with impeachment (check out the link in my email signature below, and please feel free to make this your email signature as well). However, the larger problem is the public being uninformed about these HUGE problems to anywhere even remotely close to the degree that we should be.

    To help solve this problem, NPR and PBS need to be extremely well funded by the government. They are one of the few public services available to keep the public informed, which is a critical part of the proper functioning of our country. In fact, all TV stations should be required to have extremely well-funded news programs that the stations or owners can not affect any editorial or management decisions of. These programs should have daily prime-time spots as part of the requirement for each TV station license. The funds to support these news programs should just be part of the license deal: funded by those who are applying for the license. The networks make so much money anyway, they will definitely agree: to the serious betterment of our country!

    See: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9185122577177790396&hl=en
    Read: Hostile Takeover
    Read: The Assault on Reason
    Act: http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/

    --
    Stand for something or fall for anything.
    http://www.ExcaliburBooks.com/Articles/Papers/patriotism.html

    Could we please make this required viewing for all Americans? I've often felt that this view is ridiculed by the right-wing pundits. When people receive their news from
    entertainment sources like Fox News, they don't hear this kind of thing. We need to push the Democrats to do the right thing. I'll call.

    I have reviewed the the posts here concerning the Impeachment of President Bush. The particulars have been adequately stated here at length. It sufficient and accurate to say: This President is dangerous to our way of life.

    " . . . when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. . . ."

    Dear Mr. Moyers,
    I was happy to catch the re-broadcast of this show. As a veteran, and an American who is disheartened by what I see happening in, and to, our country, I wonder what exactly we can do at this stage to rein in this administrations blantent misuse of power in just about every sphere of our lives. When the people are ignored by their elected representitives, what real options do we have. It pains me to say that, as I have given part of my life in service to this country, but we must take back the control. And I would be all for any one of the "moderator's" who will be involved in the future debates (if you want to call them that, to date they've been pretty lame) who would hold all of their feet to the fire. But, that's not very likely. So, all I would ask is that you, Mr. Moyers, make this issue a staple part of your show. If you've got to shout it from the rooftops, I'll bring the ladder....
    In the mean time...keep up the work on these rouges...

    I thoroughly appreciated this program, Mr. Moyers. But I would like to know why you did not make mention of the fact that Congressman Dennis Kucinich introduced articles of impeachment of Dick Cheney, and that it has 19 cosponsors. There is a huge movement among the people, who are being led by Presidential candidate Kucinich to clean up the poison which is polluting Washington and America. I am sure you are aware of Kucinich's bill, and would like you to address why it was not mentioned in your program.

    As long as the president and Vice President think the rule of law does not apply to them and try to use Executive privledge to cover there tracks the bill of Rights is in Jeopardy and so are our freedoms,If impeachment is the only way then hop to it we elected a president not a King.

    i have suspected for some time that 9/11 was aput up job to scare us all so that bush/cheney could do what they wanted.and that 2000 and2004 werecoups.wake upamerica,there wont be an 0/8, unless we start impeachment proceedings now

    Bill Moyers may call himself a journalist but he is just another actor with an agenda. To present opinions as facts, which is what Nicols and Fein did, without rebuttal is typical of the liberal spinmeisters. They haven't gotten over losing in 2000 yet! Quite frankly, if Bush is responsible for all they blame him (wars, hurricanes, bridge collapses, etc) he's quite a guy. How come they never give him credit for the low unemployment, thriving economy, job creation, etc.?Typical liberals. And those who preach impeachment should be careful what they wish for. Pelosi is a pathetic leader. She can't even get her own party to do what she wants.

    My only regret about this program is that no one mentioned Cheney's PNAC , and how this racketeering organization conspired all this mass murder even before W got into office. If PNAC had been RICO'd before November 2000, then we might not have to discuss impeachment now. I guess the topic of PNAC would be best dedicated to an entire seperate program. But why has the press, even independant press, muzzled and censored itself when it comes to the PNAC? If they had only reported the cause, there would have been no need to report , hopefully, the cure.

    http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

    With the Congress so reluctant to impeach Bush and Cheney have basically become impeachment proof. They have no reason to change their conduct because no one is willing to stop them in the least. Congress can pass a million laws on what the President can and cannot do. He can even sign everyone of them. But they all mean nothing if the President just ignores them and does as he wants anyway especially when the Congress does nothing about it. And Bush and Cheney know it.

    I feel the real reason Congress is reluctant to go after Bush is because he is seen as a war president. They don't want to take the fall if we get attacked while he is impeached and especially after he is driven from office. They also don't want to be seen as being the reason we lose in Iraq. If Bush is removed from office and Iraq war effort fails shortly after the Congress, particularly the democrats, will be blamed for the loss. The cry will be we almost won but the democrats pulled the plug before we could finish the job.

    By the way for what reason does Bush have to be so secretive about who he is spying on? If what he is doing is for a good cause why does he have to keep it a secret from everyone including the FISA Court and even republican members of Congress? If Bush says 72 hours after the fact isn't enough time to get a warrant from the FISA Court how much time does he need? A week? A month? Is a year after the fact enough time to get a warrant? Or is the real reason because Bush just wants to spy on whomever he wants without anyone knowing who or why?

    With the Congress so reluctant to impeach Bush and Cheney have basically become impeachment proof. They have no reason to change their conduct because no one is willing to stop them in the least. Congress can pass a million laws on what the President can and cannot do. He can even sign everyone of them. But they all mean nothing if the President just ignores them and does as he wants anyway especially when the Congress does nothing about it. And Bush and Cheney know it.

    I feel the real reason Congress is reluctant to go after Bush is because he is seen as a war president. They don't want to take the fall if we get attacked while he is impeached and especially after he is driven from office. They also don't want to be seen as being the reason we lose in Iraq. If Bush is removed from office and Iraq war effort fails shortly after the Congress, particularly the democrats, will be blamed for the loss. The cry will be we almost won but the democrats pulled the plug before we could finish the job.

    By the way for what reason does Bush have to be so secretive about who he is spying on? If what he is doing is for a good cause why does he have to keep it a secret from everyone including the FISA Court and even republican members of Congress? If Bush says 72 hours after the fact isn't enough time to get a warrant from the FISA Court how much time does he need? A week? A month? Is a year after the fact enough time to get a warrant? Or is the real reason because Bush just wants to spy on whomever he wants without anyone knowing who or why.

    I've been on the streets of Kentucky capturing events with my video camera. The people are ready for impeachment and ready to end the Iraq debacle.
    Below is a link to some of the events I've covered.
    http://www.hillbillyreport.com/blog/2007/07/hillbilly-re-19.html

    Good luck with impeachment, you will need it. The democrates are almost as corrupt and complicite in these high crimes that that is no power that will hold this criminal regime to account.

    I have watched this whole war criminal regime from north of the border and the thing that has amazed me the most is the complicty of the media in promoting the lies and cover ups of this regimes crimes. The american people are in grave danger as is the constitution, and you are under threat from both the democrates and republicans and the plutocrates who own both parties and your media...

    Here is to a fools hope.

    Two points. First, impeachment is unrealistic. The Republicans, regardless of their views, will not vote for it and therefore any attempt will be merely symbolic. Better to spend energy on a good outcome in the next Presidential year.
    Second. I don't want my next point to be misunderstood. As bad as Bush and Cheney are (and they are bad), they are not Hitler, and I am not comparing them to Hitler. Nevertheless, we should think about what we would have and should have done had we lived in Germany when Hitler came to power. For most of the past six years we, the people, and our elected representatives have stood by and allowed abuses of the Constitution with little more than whimpers.
    The noise level is rising - better late than never, and the Fourth Estate is finally piling on after years of being afraid to speak out (with the exception of a minority of brave ones like Bill Moyers). We need to turn around our national complacency or we may not be able to restore the greatness of our system. We need a robust public discussion of how to put a stop to the abuse of power by any administration, so this never happens again. Constitutional remedies, like impeachment, are the end game. It must start with the people.

    Its too late. The American people should have acted long before now during the first rounds of Watergate, Iran-Contras which never was rectified in the minds of Americans or the courts. What we have in this nation is an enormous body of people who have contributed to this mayhem and miasma and who have and will continue to profit from a lawless land.
    I grieve for what has become of a once great nation.

    it is time to save our constitution and move to impeachment mode. time for action.

    In response to Naida Lavon's post: please find yourself a place in a faith group where support and action can be yours. If you're in Portland or Seattle, let me know here, and I'll direct you to specific congregations that include people who are justice/action/
    progressively involved and also supportive of each other. I can suggest churches in many other NW localities. People from other faith groups could respond to you with their recommendations. I am meeting with Sen. Wyden this week in a church in Bend, OR. Called by him but the 'invitation only' format is being accomplished by locals, not Wyden staff. Tho subject is Iraq, I will be insisting on an impeachment discussion. We got his ear due to earlier immigration issue discussions. Hang on, we care about you and your work.

    Reading through your blog, I’ve noticed how many truly miserable people there are in your audience. It warms one's heart to know just how low you all feel about Bush. I, for one, bask in the warm glow of my schadenfreude in the knowledge of your wretched existences. I will sleep better at night knowing you all live in such stark, paranoid terror. It is no better than you deserve, and it is a condition, after all, of your own making.

    Remember the little girl with the daisy, Bill? (I do: In my guts, I KNOW you’re nuts!)

    But, in all sincerity, please do have a nice day, and you might try listening to Rush if you want to have some fun for a change.

    Good show - seems too many are afraid to use the "I" word! I would like to see the Democratic candidates asked in the next debate or forum (a) if they feel this administration has accumulated too much / too many powers unto itself, and if so, (b) what specifically they intend to do to return those powers to the appropriate branches. And I would hope that the questioner would have the courage to both demand a straight answer (what a concept!) and/or highlight their refusal to give one.

    Thanks for the show and, by the way, thanks for leading me to the book "Invasion of the Party Snatchers". All very enlightening, as usual.

    The purpose of the opposition party is to OPPOSE. The Democrats are the party of the people. How about doing some opposing - the people need you!

    This is the second time I have tried to add to this bog. I think I am being edited out, Mr Free Speech. While impeachment may make a lot of the contributors to this blog happy, what message would it send to our enemies---that the only man in the West who has stood up to the terrorists is thrown out of office by his own people who could not tolerate the conflict needed to overcome those enemies who seek to destroy that happiness.

    Dear Mr Moyers, I watched your program last night and I must say that it seems like you can no longer be embarrased,or you are just so filled with hate for George Bush that you can no longer think clearly.I wound like go through each issue of the "debate" but I don't think it would matter.The real sad part is that the Amercan tax payers have to fund this propaganda.

    I’ve read a number of the articles that people have written about impeachment.
    What are the chances? Practically NILL!
    John Nichols spoke about the news media and their absurdity about reporting things that matter, especially the constitution. We get all this wonderful news about miners being trapped in a coal mine, we heard about Katrina, and many other misgivings in our nation. But the truth remains, that the news media does not give an accurate accounting about the Bush administration. Are they simply afraid of what might happen to their so-called news agenda?
    The Democrats are spineless as is Nancy Pelosi, not coming down on Bush and Chaney for their misgivings.
    I normally listen to CNN but recently MS-NBC. Their outtake on Bush is somewhat in agreement with what is actually happening in our nation. Too bad others do not take their position. Fox as I leaned during the 2004 election is a big supporter of Bush and Chaney. I haven’t watched Fox news since then and am still wondering if their position still remains the same, who knows? I’ve almost gotten to the point where I would rather watch a baseball game than watch the evening news.
    Perhaps I’ll look into www.impeacbush.org or impeachforpeach.org. As a little guy, as most of us are, perhaps we can do something about this mess.
    I just wish that more millions of people would see programs such as Bill Moyers and get a better understanding of what is really happening to our nation.

    With that I remain, Steve Zimmett a concerned citizen, amen

    Thank you for showing this again. It was refreshing (and long overdue) the first time.

    So what retaliation has Karl Rove, et. al., taken so far?

    It is encouraging to see some good ideas coming out of the Heritage Foundation. (Is Mr. Fein still employed there?)

    How disappointing that the rebroadcast did not mention that in April Dennis Kucinich introduced a bill to impeach Cheney. H.Res.333 has at least 15 co-sponsors. Read about it here:
    http://kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/documents.htm
    Many of us wrote to Bill Moyers after the first broadcast, bewildered that neither he nor his guests mentioned this action. It seems as though Dennis Kucinich is again being ignored by the media, even the "liberal" media. Yet, he is the only candidate running for president who has had the guts to speak out against this administration and to demand impeachment. So please, if you want impeachment, look up H. Res. 333 and take action. Write to your representatives. Here are websites to help you:
    http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/cheney
    http://www.usalone.com/cheney_impeachment.php
    http://www2.kucinich.us/

    All I could think last night was: Power corrupts; Absolute Power corrupts absolutely! Bush & Cheney are living proof! The Impeachment programs plus Buying the War plus another which puts it all in order: 911mysteries.com. That is the Science of it. The Why is there, too. The How is explained. The ?, the Who's.It all adds up to Impeachment & can't come too soon for me! The only thing worse than what has happened in and to our Country in the past 7.5 yrs is realizing without Impeachment of Bush & Cheney this can and will only be escalated by some others. As either Nichols or Fain said: "no one voluntarily gives power back." We cannot afford to be silent anymore or wait for others to do it. We are the ones who need to start calling and writing. The difficulty in reaching my Reps from CA, which include Pelosi, is how increasingly difficult they've made it. They're simply not accessible. This makes for disenfranchisement and that makes for the stuff of revolutions when the Voice of the People continues to be ignored as it has since 2000. I'm hopeful people will finally become involved and ACTIVELY protest for Impeachment.

    One of the comments herein raised the idea of a "hidden agenda". Is there something to this in Iraq?

    Questions: What was the real purpose of the Iraq war? What does troop withdrawal mean?

    The question was prompted by the report that, next month, the U.S. "embassy" in Iraq is slated for opening. This, it is reported, consists of 21 large buildings and several smaller ones on 104 acres. It is purported to be six times the size of the U.N. complex in New York.

    Now, this sounds more like a fortress, a staging ground for something else.

    Good!!!! The program was repeated. The call for incessant pushing of this issue coming out of the first airing got some traction.

    Now extremely strong pressure must be focused, yes focused, on Pelosi and Conyers. It is known that Conyers is not the obstacle that Pelosi is. Nevertheless, he has acquiesced to the wishes of Pelosi. Is this fertile ground for added pressure?
    Impeachment, "Buying the War", NOW --- the income disparity, The EXPOSE program last evening. Next up, with the pressure applied simultaneously from all directions, Pelosi and Conyers, particularly Pelosi. Yes? As was stated categorically last evening, "Pelosi is wrong!"

    How about everyone from all over the country write Pelosi an e-mail with subject, "I beseech you, fulfill your Constitutional duty, i.e. do your job" and copy his or her congress person. Flood her office! Each day you receive no reply resend it indicating that you will not be ignored. Flood, say, the Washington Post with them also. Keeping the initial document in the sent folder and forwarding it repeatedly should not be too time consuming. Think of it as "an e-mail march." This type of march is very cost effective, does not require too much time and can be repeated daily, if necessary. Is this a good way to apply incessant focused pressure? This is an attempt to address Ms. Lavon's request for brainstorming ideas. I realize that this sounds exactly like the things she indicated are not working. However, it is obvious that it must come from the populace, which means that a focal point is required. It's straight forward re this point: If the Congress, specifically the House of Representatives, does not act, it will not happen. It's as simple and as, let's call it, inertial as that.

    Congress will not impeach the President or Vice President as long as they keep doing the will of Israel.

    Please, tell me something I DON’T know.

    I just finished watching Bill Moyers with the two guests discussing impeachment of (or lack of) Dick Cheney and George W. Bush, and David Brancaccio talking about the broken promise to Americans that hard work will get needs met.

    I have heard ALL of the stories, and to be honest, feel I have LIVED them all. It feels like the movie Ground Hog’s Day. We are saying the same thing OVER, and OVER, and OVER, and OVER, and OVER! It is 4am here in the Northwest. I am awake because I am so distressed about feeling there is no way to win, no way to improve my life, in spite of having followed all of the rules. I am a middle aged single female who relatively recently completed a Masters degree, but I feel trapped in my low wage job, and today especially, feel threatened that I am walking on eggshells, about to lose my job if I make too many waves (after literally being threatened by the police while doing my job at a Group Home for mentally ill adults). I have no savings, a $1000 401k, and a $10,000 pension through the state that is being threatened. I turn on your TV shows and hear my worries and my story repeated multi-fold. Then I see you begging me to contribute to my local public television station—the very station that responded condescendingly when I complained that they are taking money from the corrupt student loan industry and essentially airing an infomercial in the guise of “educating” the public in how to choose a Student Financial Aid lender—the industry to whom I now owe more than $100,000 for my Masters degree which lands me no more than a $10.50 an hour job—a job where I am NOT ALLOWED to use the skills and training that I sacrificed much to acquire.

    Please, I need to know what I can do NOW! I KNOW what the problems are. I don’t know the solution. I don’t know how to get people to agree on how to FIX the problem. I don’t know how to get people to recognize that MY problem is THEIR problem. I recognize that THEIR problems affect me, and I participate in the marches and the letter writing campaigns, and I vote. These things are not working. I am out of ideas. I need your help brainstorming ideas. I feel like one of thousands of quadriplegics whose wheelchairs have been stolen. We all know each others stories, however, we seem to be useless in our own rescue. We need new ideas on how to help ourselves, not a second, third, forth, fifth (ad infinitum) opinion.

    Please accept my apology if this message comes across as angry and/or accusing. I intend neither. I am tired. I feel I am becoming too weak to take any more actions to help myself.

    Most respectfully,

    Naida Lavon

    I just saw the rebroadcast of your show and thought it was amazing. In this time of crisis we need to discuss how best to begin to heal our broken country. Impeachment seems to be the key. But as your guests pointed out, not to go after Bush and Cheney, but to reign in the office of the President. No one should be above the law, least of all our leaders. If anything, they should be held to sticter standards. I have always opposed Bush, but in the later months of his reign, I have become truly terrified of what our once great nation has become. Our leaders disregard the wishes of the people they were elected to represent,they operate outside the law with impunity, and the only people who are in a position to do anything about it are too afraid of political suicide to do what is so blatantly right.
    Impeaching Bush and Cheney is a strong start. However I think that they should also be tried as criminals in the world stage. Too many have suffered at their whim.The time is now.
    Please visit www.impeacbush.org

    Great show! Thank you. The Green Party has been calling for impeachment for many months. Before you scoff, please remember that David Cobb, the Green candidate for president in 2004, is principally responsible for uncovering the appalling disenfranchisement of many Ohio voters in that election. In 2004, Greens raised more money in support of a recount in Ohio (and for investigative work in New Mexico) than we raised for Cobb's entire national campaign. Alas, we don't yet have a Green in Congress or the impeachment ball might already be rolling.

    It is very clear in hindsight (missing ballots from 2004, among other items), that we had a coup in this country.

    And people in other nations look at us and wonder if the current President is going to declare (or create) an emergency and simply NOT EVEN HOLD an election in 2008. Sounds far fetched, but when has the current administration ever cared for anything other than power and keeping Republicans in control?

    This country has been a plutocracy for some time. But now with erosion of civil liberties it is downright scary.

    Thank you, Bill Moyers, for being the only journalist on the only station to talk about what is going on in this country.

    In answer to the question, should George W. Bush and Richard Cheney be impeached?

    Clearly, unequivocally, indisputably yes!

    "The darkest places in Hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality. in times of moral crisis." – Dante Alighieri

    Thanks, Bill Moyers, and your two guests, Mr. Nichols and Mr. Fein, and PBS, for that invigorating wake up call. It's time to get to work.

    In cases of Impeachment where the President and Vice President are removed at the same time, it seems that the Speaker of the House should not become President.

    Amending the United States Constitution is a more permanent fix than impeachment.

    See www.CitizenAmendments.org for a list of the minimum amendments required.

    In post 911, as in WWII, we have special needs to be able to determine enemies in our open society. when abuse of the special powers is seen then the people will peel away the special powers. Impeachment of the President because you disagree with his politics is absurd. Scooter Libby committed not crime. First, never should an Ambassador's family member be allowed to be in the CIA. The job of the Ambassador to a country is to evaluate the host country and that includes his family. Having a CIA employee in the Ambassador's family endangers our Ambassadors and National Image. So we have wasted a lot of time and energy chasing a non-crime. Global warming can be solved by elimiating half of Television broadcasting, turning off the internet, and having Bill Moyers and the news media stay home.

    I am very excited by the beacons of light by Moyers', Fein's and Nichols' shining words. However, I am even more hopeful due to the comments left here. If everyone just passed the link of this program of Bill Moyers' Journal to everyone they know in America, then our beloved nation very well may be saved... for the people and by impeachment!

    I am so disheartened by this administration in so many ways. I have never been a Republican, but I did conceed, as did the rest of the country, the day that Bush was claimed to have won the election. Since the day that he took office, there has been a slow, steady decline of the quality of life in the U.S. and I don't think that is just a matter of my opinion. But for the crimes he has committed against this country, the abuse he has committed in the name of freedom, the sheer atrocities he has committed globally in the name of defense are all unjustifiable on any level. Moyer's insight is important, especially right now. It's now or never. America stood by and almost allowed an honorable U.S. President to be dragged through the mud by the media, the Republican Congress and in front of the world. For what?! A small lie.
    To count the lies that this administration have hurled over the years would take a well oiled statistician and he would need the help of several accountants to do so.
    Again, while America stands idly by watching corporate big business media and getting disinformation by the buttloads.
    It's time to wake up. It's time to point out how disastrous this administration is, compile it's numerous flaws and illegal operations, misuse of the executive powers and HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
    When I was a child growing up, the presidency was a place of honor. A place for heros, nay super heros, and stood for class, truth and intelligence. It was a position that kids hoped to aspire to by way of a good, honest life, lots of hard work, lots of hard studying and a way to serve your country in the highest sense.
    No more.
    This position has been forever marred by the ghosts of this administration, it's cronies, it's gross profiteering on death and destruction, creating rules to break them and then recreating other laws to protect them from breaking the first. They have blown through without having to answer to ANYONE.
    Honorable, patriotic citizens are being accused of terror by suggesting the logical truth: The president and vice president have not only failed our great country, they have indeed failed the world.
    As they continue their ruling, they openly mock the Constitution that the MOST patriotic of all citizens (our fore fathers) put together as a blueprint for success. Stray from the blueprint, stray from a successful country. Simple as that. No single administration in the history of our country has taken us further away from what this country was designed to be, and for that, we have suffered.
    And not ONE person...not ONE person of influence has stood up, made the clear case that we need to use the proper resources to make things right and put our country back on track...that available resource is the Impeach process. If for nothing else to try to convince our children and our grandchildren that we did NOT stand for these abuses. That we did NOT agree to these changes and that we did NOT bow to them.
    The time has come. It's not just a hushed whisper on the internet anymore. It's being discussed everywhere, every day by true patriotic Americans.
    The time is now. We need more of these spineless corporate news anchors and commentators to stand up and give us a voice...the logical voice and to demand answers and to demand justice.
    Othewise, our children are going to look at this generation as the generation that allowed the country to fall apart right in front of our very noses. And for that, we will most certainly be guilty. Unless we can switch gears, change course and set this whole thing right.

    I am for impeachment of bush/cheney, but it bothers me that would leave us with pelosi and she has not proven herself as a leader.

    I do feel it is time for we the people to hit the streets. It is time for a full scale revolt!!!!

    Thank you Bill Moyers for repeating the program on the impeachment of Bush and Cheney with Bruce Fein and John Nichols. The precision of these two gentlemen's argument for impeachment was again a delight to my ears. I have been writing to my congressman and woman as well as my senators.
    Your programs help me formulate my own arguments against the overreaching and criminal administration of George Bush and Dick Cheney.
    Please keep more guests of that caliber coming to your Journal!
    Sincerely,
    Louise Barr
    Honolulu, HI

    Thank you for raising and championing the impeachment issue on PBS. It's about time a jopurnalist had the courage to start this conversation. You even got me to write to Nancy Pelosi and demand that she take action.

    The US military is the largest single consumer of fossil fuels on earth.

    Every day Bush demands - and congress authorizes - troops and gas-guzzling war machines to operate in Iraq could be a MONTH lost in solving this country’s enormous contribution to Global Warming and rapid climate change through prodigious and perpetual emissions of Greenhouse gases.

    Frustrated activists could easily come to believe there is a "hidden agenda" – even among progressives like Bill Moyers - to keep these linked, global emergencies from being discussed as one topic in public debate.

    What is it Bill…can’t handle the truth?

    President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Secretery of State Condoleeza Rice and Department of Justice Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and almost all of Congress should be impeached for the mere fact of having a symbiotic relationship with companies receiving special privileges for government oil contracts in Iraq (such as Halliburton, CACI, Blackwater and others). This major conflict of interest has been scarcely reported on in the mainstream media. James Madison warned us of the perfidious nature of the politicians of this country towards the people they represent and the loyalty they express to their constituents and unto themselves through their own blind ambitions. What makes me sick is that these "chickenhawks" are killing off a generation of patriotic men and women to suit their own needs for power and wealth! In knowing this, I call not only for their impeachment, but for their arrest, along with former President Clinton (giving technology to China,undermining the FBI's efforts to stop companies from doing this and entering this country into NAFTA and the WTO), former secretary of Defense and former CEO of Pharma Donald Rumsfeld (instigating a war on false intelligence) and Paul Wolfowitz (Wolfowitz Doctrine; U.S. Patriot Act), for the crime of treason against this country for sending our soldiers to fight in a war for the wrong reasons and for undermining our constitutional rights as well as undermining our manufacturing base through outsourcing jobs and technology(without this base our national debt just increases; service jobs don't produce anything; giving away or selling our technology makes us uncompetitive). I think this is as close to a fascist state as we want to get and hopefully its not too late to stem the tide.
    United We Stand, Divided We Fall!!!
    P.S. Its sad to say that its probably a godsend that President Bush doesn't have time to focus on domestic issues considering his appalling record in Texas (especially when running for President of the United States; "Fortunate Son" by J.H. Hatfield).

    I missed the first broadcast of this story. Very powerful and articulate. The guest hit home again and again for the reasons that articles of impeachment should be brought against Cheney and Busch. Our democracy is in dire peril, the fundamentals of reviveing the function of the 4rth estate and removing the influence of the corpratacracy is a goal to strive for, but in the moment, right now we must bring this imperial president / Vice President to account.

    I watched the broadcast all over again tonight and once again felt impotent rage over our inability to get Congress to initiate impeachment proceedings against this despotism masquerading as democracy. I am ashamed to be an American and no longer believe there is any way to affect the so-called political process. Thanks Bill and bless you, but it's a lost cause.

    If this Congress fails to protect the Constitution then we as a nation must be extraordinarily careful about who we elect to be President in the coming elections.

    The only candidate that I have heard speak consistently and intelligently about the sworn duty to uphold, protect, and defend the Constitution is Republican 'long shot' Ron Paul from Texas. While some of his conservative views may not sit well with many Democrats his record and viewpoint regarding upholding the Constitution are clear and indefatigable.

    In the most recent Republican