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The Rove Legacy

What struck me about my fellow Texan, Karl Rove, is that he knew how to win elections as if they were divine interventions. You may think God summoned Billy Graham to Florida on the eve of the 2000 election to endorse George W. Bush just in the nick of time, but if it did happen that way, the good lord was speaking in a Texas accent.

Karl Rove figured out a long time ago that the way to take an intellectually incurious draft-averse naughty playboy in a flight jacket with chewing tobacco in his back pocket and make him governor of Texas, was to sell him as God’s anointed in a state where preachers and televangelists outnumber even oil derricks and jack rabbits. Using church pews as precincts Rove turned religion into a weapon of political combat -- a battering ram, aimed at the devil’s minions, especially at gay people.

It’s so easy, as Karl knew, to scapegoat people you outnumber, and if God is love, as rumor has it, Rove knew that, in politics, you better bet on fear and loathing. Never mind that in stroking the basest bigotry of true believers you coarsen both politics and religion.

At the same time he was recruiting an army of the lord for the born-again Bush, Rove was also shaking down corporations for campaign cash. Crony capitalism became a biblical injunction. Greed and God won four elections in a row - twice in the lone star state and twice again in the nation at large. But the result has been to leave Texas under the thumb of big money with huge holes ripped in its social contract, and the U.S. government in shambles - paralyzed, polarized, and mired in war, debt and corruption.

Rove himself is deeply enmeshed in some of the scandals being investigated as we speak, including those missing emails that could tell us who turned the attorney general of the United States into a partisan sockpuppet. Rove is riding out of Dodge city as the posse rides in. At his press conference this week he asked God to bless the president and the country, even as reports were circulating that he himself had confessed to friends his own agnosticism; he wished he could believe, but he cannot. That kind of intellectual honesty is to be admired, but you have to wonder how all those folks on the Christian right must feel discovering they were used for partisan reasons by a skeptic, a secular manipulator. On his last play of the game all Karl Rove had to offer them was a hail mary pass, while telling himself there’s no one there to catch it.


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It is a pleasure to read your thoughts and the intelligent thoughts of these respondents. Over the years I think I have developed a pretty good "wrong meter" and from my very first exposure to Karl Rove, my meter "pegged".

His lack of ethics and mode of attack politics, although effective, will be judged by history, and our higher source, as beyond reconciliation.

The end does not justify the means.

Thanks for summarizing Karl Rove's
scandalous disservice to this nation so succinctly, Mr. Moyers!

Now, can we convince you that it isn't too late for you to throw your hat in the ring for the Presidency? Please reconsider, since it will take a person of your intellect, ethics and understanding of what a democracy should be like to undo all that the Bush administration has done during these past seven years!

Thanks for reconsidering a run for the Presidency!

And its one two three what are we fighting for?!

Dear Americans,

You've been fighting, you are fighting, you are killing and you are dieïng for the greater good(s) of the priviledged few!

Rove, Bush, Cheney, most of your Corrupt-Elite- Establishment, right and left, are not in the least concerned with you as people nor with you as a people in your 'socalled' Peoples Nation!

You're expendable sheep ready for the Elites slaughter-houses, and the likes as Rove, Bush and Cheney made and make sure you'll stay in your pens untill you're ready to be slaughtered.

In your country of the 'SOCALLED' beautifull and the brave, its the greedy filthy corrupted and criminal rich that prevailes.

That is the legacy of Carl Rove, and you can count on it that, he and and the SCUM that is RUÏNING YOUR DEMOCRACY, YOUR BILL OF RIGHTS, YOUR CONSTITUTION, shall continue to do so if you let them.

The likes of Rove, the Bushes, the Cheneys and so on, do not retire, they do not change into family spenders, they shape-shift into yet one-other powermongering capacity, because POWER, to be in POWER and to stay in POWER,
that is the name of theyr game!

Since WW2, You, 'The United States of Americans', have become the most notorious greedy killing-machine this World has ever seen, your Nations warcrimes since WW2 are surpassing everything human beïngs are capable of, including the facists crimes against humanity during Hitlers reign!

The numbers;

Corea; an estimated 1.5 million civil casualties.

Viëtnam; 2.5 to 3-million civil casualties.

Indonesia; an estimated 500.000 to one million civil casualties.

South America; an estimated one million casualties.

The Middle East; an estimated 2 to 3 million civil casualties.

The eminent Noam Chomsky (and many others) descibes your foreign policies of the last 6 decades as 'MAFIA-LIKE', criminal to the core, and you 'The American People' gave the criminals who ordered those atrocities the power to do so.

And now the whole World is screaming at you, STOP THIS MADNESS!


This is the legacy of Rove!

After reading all of the present comments, it is clear that Christianity has to rethink its religious tenets. Christ did not teach greed and maliciousness, He taught love and compassion. The corruption of Christianity began with television preachers preaching materialism, selfishness and greed. Christians became sheep to the slaughter as they lock stepped with the feel good religion. Carl Rove recognized their weakness and took advantage of the situation. He is a very clever propagandist who can twist language to suit his intent. He has no problem with deceiving people as long as the end results are what he desires. He has no compassion for other people and is a basic sociopath.
CHRISTianity needs to be based on the teachings of Christ; not false doctrines.

Thanks again Mr Moyers,

But hold on there fer a
minute woodya,I got justa couple a questions for ya:

Who's the posse a ridin in to Dodge that youra referrin too?

And who they gonna arrest anyways, the ring leader, or the whole dang bunch?

We gotta anough jail cells in that Dodge to hold em all?

And whatabouta fair trial in that there town?

Who would defend em and who would get em, that there Attorney General fella?

What about da judge, would he be a just and fair one, or a certain and true one,
ya know, a good un?

Is there any truth in that town a Dodge anywheres?

And what about them there laws of that there Constitution, is it solid like when it was anew, or old an shot, an fulla holes, like an ol sock?

Won't them bad uns just fall through em anyways?

If were gonna have us a new Dodge, maybe we should start there, whatcha think?

Maybe we aughta start with the simple worda truth, aint no wholes in it, iser?

Back to that posse probem, Is it lookin to ya that we might need a posse as big as the whole damn country? Ya know, We the people of the United States ta fix this un, ta fix The United States?

But then that what that there Democracy thing is all about, aint it; we governs or a fixin it ourselves, right?

Thats the strength a freedom thing, ain it?

Well we best getta fixin, and oh ya,
You can count on me, I'll ride with ya!

Just one more ?,

Do they still hang em in Dodge?


This curmudgeon thinks Mr. Rove facilitated a Bush 43 administration that will go down in history as being even more corrupt and inept than those of Grant and Harding. He should be ashamed of himself.

Rove is standing outside the Pearly Gates and St. Peter, after looking for Carl's name in his Good Book says, 'Sorry you don't have a reservation.' And Carl answers, 'Look again, I'm with the Bush party.' To which St. Peter will reply, 'Sorry, but the Boss canceled their reservation back in 20 'n 03 when they unjustly raised their swords against Mesopotamia.'

Beautiful Piece Bill. Ironic that Karl Rove's father is gay. As a gay man, thank you for sheding light on the dark realities of Rove's use of religion as a political weapon. Karl Rove has taken our government to a new low and made our president one of the most hated leaders in the world. *sigh*

No....Not all of "We the people" bear responsibility for this....ONLY THE MORONS WHO VOTED FOR A SECOND TERM....I voted against Bush the first time and the second time....not for anyone...but against Bush....

Now its up to those people to get on the phone and call their elected officials and say OOPS...We want the idiot out.

I can't speak to the elections in Texas, but as to the two Presidential elections in question, Greg Palast has proven that they were stolen. Rove is just giving up his day job so he can get ready for 2008. At least in the White House we knew where he was - now he'll be roaming free as a wolf amidst the sheep.

Rove is a thug of a particular type common in Southern politics. His problem was that he took small town tactics into the big leagues when he outed a spy. Ooops! Court case or no, that isn't over by a long shot. You couldn't pay me enough to get on a small plane with Rove in the next few years. I don't wish him any harm, but when push comes to shove, the CIA is going to push back - not that anyone will be able to prove it. (That is not a threat, nor is it a wish. It's an expectation based on what I know of American history. I could be wrong.)

In the mean time, we're stuck with the most inept and dangerous person ever to step into the Oval Office, and his minions are nowhere near figuring out that their good intentions and lack of education have been used to manipulate them into voting themselves into the poor house.

I hope this doesn't offend you Mr. Moyers, but it has to be said - the irony to me is that the Rove-Bush connection at its very core is so gay. It's not even latent homosexuality - male prostitute Jeff Gannon didn't get a security clearance on his own. Who exactly gave the order to get him past the Secret Service? It took blogger John Aravosis at Americablog all of two days to get the background on Gannon's illicit website offering his "services," complete with pictures. Surely the President's men knew his background, and it was established that he was in and out of the WH at times when the press corps wasn't there. What was he doing there? Why did Bush know him by name?

I wish that this country would learn the lesson from this Administration that hate is not a public or foreign policy. We need representatives who will do anything to avoid war - will stay at the bargaining table, will use all diplomatic and humanitarian means, will get the world community behind us so that war becomes obsolete. It doesn't work, it never has, and we don't have the stomach for it or our soldiers wouldn't be committing suicide in record numbers. We need to realize that we are too civilized to be despots. We know better. Bush and his chicken hawk buddies are a throwback to bygone era.

Rove's legacy is a million coffins that should never yet have been filled. Rove has had a singular hand in destroying everything America was supposed to be. Our generosity, our liberality, our freedom, our humanity are now called into question before the world and we won't see the repair of our stature among nations in my lifetime. Heckuva job, Karl.


Giuliani has a daughter who has indicated support for Democrat Barack Obama and a son who said he didn't speak to his father for some time. His ugly divorce from their mother, Donna Hanover, was waged publicly while Giuliani was mayor of New York. Giuliani has since remarried.

There are complexities in every family in America," Giuliani said calmly and quietly. "The best thing I can say is kind of, 'Leave my family alone, just like I'll leave your family alone.'">

Is this the standard the right-wingers applied to Bill and Hillary's relationship. I don't think so. The funny thing about the Fox-Republican officials and politicians (fops) is that they are so serious about their double standard. As if they really believe it! They are hypocrites. Hypocrites. Hypocrites. And no amount of denial will change it. They need to get up off their high horse and out of Washington. Or we will escort them.

I will take a politician who gets a **** on the side any day over this incompetent bunch of crooked, hypocritical, cheating, disloyal fops.

Eisenhower warned of the dangers of the "military industrial complex". Here is a modernized interpretation of his prophetic speech (with apologies to Ike). This conjunction of an ignorant public more concerned with the latest celebrity gossip than news which will affect their very lives, a vast corporate media enterprise willing to keep them ignorant, right-wing talk show hosts serving as the propaganda arm of the Bush administration, religious fundementalists too ignorant to see that they are being "played" by conscienceless "masterminds" like Rove, and fears of terrorism used to justify almost every administration policy, has brought us to where we are today. We are in danger of losing the values of our great and unique country, which has been a beacon of hope in this troubled world.

Yes, Karl Rove was a phony. His most dastardly act was to promote Bush's service record in the 2004 Presidential primary in South Carolina Primary while questioning Kerry's War record. Bush avoided the Viet Nam War by geting his Father's pull to get him in the Air National Guard. His record in the guard was never known.

Again, I am sad because of some of the poor judgements and decisions made by people like Karl Rove, Dennis Haster, Ray Lahood(all are retiring)have had on this country. Politics at this level is about judgement not about Mensa Intelligence.
Maybe in their retirement these individuals can set up a 501C3 for material donations and go volunteer in Iraq. There are many reconstruction, education, medical projects that need people. I hope they will do more than focus on their interests.
They all played a major roll regarding the poor decisions made for Iraq. It would be good for them to roll up their sleves and contribute something positive. I know an unselfish act like this would change a lot of peoples opinions of them. It remains to be seen--- Do they personally have the courage and faith to act on their beliefs and do the really hard things that they are having the rest of us do?

You are one of the few voices of rationality investigative journalism left. A job always exceptional well done!

But, we need to know why he resigned and not simply that he resigned. Then we should all rejoice. Clearly he is a modern-day Machiavelli-Metternich-Rasputin figure. And he is at the center of many evil policies.

He is not at Ground Zero. Cheney is. So all of your revelations about Karl Rove continue to divert our attention from the real evil which continue to spring from Cheney.

Dick continues to be only one solution -- impeachment. There is no courage. There are no Judge Sirica's. John Dean has been silenced. There are no Sam Ervin's. Nothing but whimpering, weak, vacillating Democrats.

Your program on impeachment was impeccable. Do another one.

Chiming is as another Texan (third-generation, albeit with the place long in my rear-view mirror), it sickens me to see what our state -- and then our nation -- became under the impress of Shrub and His Thugs.

Rove, as you rightly point out, was the kingmaker and ringleader, uniting Greed and God into a political structure that -- like the sprawling "pray 'n save" warehouse churches that sprang up contemporaneously -- has all the charm of an insecticide factory.

That the stench of this witch's brew zeitgeist is strongest in Texas is damnably sad. Who could picture Porky Pig's evil twin going "home" to any other corner of the planet, never mind all the profoundly good-hearted folks who lived and died there? I think of my own people, whose names would mean nothing to others, then of my better-known teachers and mentors like the poet Betsy Colquitt, long at TCU, and of course of our amazing public figures like Molly, Ann and yourself.

Well, it's a big enough state that the Rovians couldn't squeeze all out all their foes, even as they made the place better known for brutal prisons, executions, foul air and even fouler governance.

Despite having created his own comfy slice of hell to nestle into, Rove won't be content without poisoning the larger stage further. I was blogging about this immediately upon word of the resignation, while most on the left were exultant. There's no doubt in my mind that his plans to warp the next election are so nefarious that even he wouldn't attempt them from a perch inside the White House. Private Citizen Rove is now more dangerous than ever.

Sorry Bill, but aren't you pillorying the scape goat here? I admire your discernment of the moral wrongs committed in the name of this administration but don't 'We The People' bear some of the responsibility too? We weren't all fooled were we? Some of us took note of the Chief's swagger the first time we saw it and said, 'Oh my goodness!" It should have registered with more of us as a warning. Never-mind a majority of the electorate that stayed silent thoughout.

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