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A Note from Tomas Young --- What's Your Favorite Antiwar or Protest Music?

Veteran Tomas Young, the subject of the new documentary film BODY OF WAR, was paralyzed within a week of arriving in Iraq. He is now the co-executive producer of a new compilation of antiwar and protest songs, BODY OF WAR: SONGS THAT INSPIRED AN IRAQ WAR VETERAN, which Young calls his personal "soundtrack to Iraq." We thank Tomas Young for drafting a few words for THE MOYERS BLOG below.

Please note that the views and opinions expressed by Mr. Young are not necessarily the views and opinions held by Bill Moyers or BILL MOYERS JOURNAL.

Being an antiwar activist in this day and age is frustrating. You fight and fight and nothing gets done and, when you add the daily struggles I endure just to get out of bed and try to have a normal day, life can be a tiring experience both physically and mentally. Music has helped me find the motivation to not only get up and fight another day but to do it with determination no matter how the frustration may stack up against me. Whether it be a song that is written from the perspective of a soldier confused at being in a position he doesn’t want to be in but has no say in the matter (“Hero’s Song” by Brendan James or “Day After Tomorrow” by Tom Waits), or a song written to inspire a vitriolic anger at the state of the union and inspire the listener to action (“B.Y.O.B. by System of a Down or “The 4th Branch” by Immortal Technique), music like the songs I chose for the BODY OF WAR CD compilation inspired a particular emotion in me that made me want to act towards the goals of ending the war and bringing light to the need for better veterans’ health care. These things are bigger than all of us and need to be paid attention to, so I can only hope that music of any kind helps and inspires you as much as it has helped me.

We invite you to respond and share some of your own favorite anti-war or protest songs.


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In the 60's the Chad Mitchell Trio had a wonderful antiwar song.
Sarge, I'm only 18
Got a ruptured spleen
and always carry a purse.
Got eyes like a bat,
my feet are flat, and
My asthema's getting worse.
Consider my career,
My sweetheart dear, and
My poor old invalid aunt.
Besides, I aint' no fool,
I'm going to school,
and workin in a defense plant.
I hate Choi En I
and wish he would die,
but I think it's gotta be
said, If you invent a war
without any gore,
Then I'll be first to go.

The Chad Mitchell Trio had another great ditty about woman named Mandy Lane.

If I can't sell it, going keep sittin on it, never catch me givin it away for free.











































"White People For Peace" by Against Me! is an amazing protest song.

The song that says it all is "Lives in the Balance" by Jackson Browne.
Here's a link to the lyrics

United States military and economic support of Israel’s takeover of Sunni Palestinian land is unarguably one of the main root causes of anti-American terrorism. It’s why Osama bin Laden formally declared war against the United States and called for all Muslims everywhere in the world to begin killing as many Americans as they could.

If we stopped our aid to Israel now, we could save the $3,000,000,000 a year we give them and instead, pass this money along to our 30,000 disabled war veterans like Thomas.

That would be about $100,000 per year for each of them.

What is more important to you personally? Helping Zionists take over the rest of what used to be Palestinian land or taking care of our severely wounded and disabled war veterans?

History shows Israel has been a big mistake. It has been the seed of disharmony, overt wars and clandestine terrorism in the Middle East for decades. Supporting and defending Israel has cost the United States over 12 Trillion Dollars since it declared war on the Palestinian people in 1948. For the general health and welfare of the region, Israel should now be asked to peacefully and voluntarily lower their flag. The experiment just hasn’t worked. It should vigorously help build a new democratic nation in the Middle East that would include themselves and all the Palestinian people. The new nation would encompass all former Palestinian territory west of the Jordan River. It could be named Abraham in honor of the ancestral father of both the Arabs and the Jews.

Think of it. If there was no Israel to defend and support, the United States would have no legitimate interest or reason to have a military presence in any middle eastern country. Sure, we can continue to be good oil customers…but unless we want to take over a middle eastern country and steal their oil, why would we need troops anywhere in the middle east?

For more information about how and why this theory can work, please see the website If you believe it, it will not be a fairytale. Without an Israel to protect and support, the United States could then get on with doing much better things with its time, human resources and economic power,

For the Jews who don’t want to live in peace with the Muslims and Christians in the former Palestinian Territories, let them come to the United States where they have been welcome for more than 232 years! Let them all come.

Still cannot top Country Joe and the Fish, "Feel Like I'm Fixing To Die Rag".Because maybe, the only thing that will make the people of this nation sit up and show with their votes, that an amoral moron like GW Bush waving a flag and chanting pure yellow journalistic,jingoisms doesn't mean jackshit!!
Maybe it's the horiffic sight of their sons coming back in wooden boxes that will finally show them to put their votes where they will count; NOT to a would be oil emperor and his ultra rich ,profiteering, carpet bagger scum buddies, whose profit margins increase the longer our troops stay fighting overseas....time to get gas rationing back in force and make Americans learn now to do with a little less personal comfort!! mandatory ride shares for starters!
Keep the war mongers out of the White House and Congress!
Make Americans start using their brains again!

I just watched Bill Moyers story about Tomas Young. I can only say I love you Tomas Young and appreciate and things you gave to keep our country safe. I only wish that our government had not lied to all of us and sent you and others to War. I can remember people who were in vietnam war and veterans that came back and were treated very poorly. I see things have not changed. I also remember a song in the 60's I believe "WAR" WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. I hope after viewers this you and hear your story that they will remember it FOREVER. We are a nation to quick to forget our history and the lesson we should have learned. Don't believe the Washington Liers. It is all about them and damn the people. The News Media played and still is playing a great role in this war. I will never believe anything that they say, before trying to find out the truth from other sources like PBS. Words will never express my true feeling for you and the troops that are still fighting this and the other veterans who have given so such.

What an incredibly moving film. So many of our soldiers have been treated this way, that Thomas has done a great service for them all and for us. God bless each of you. God Bless America.

Whwat an incredibly moving film. So many of our soldiers have been treated this way, that Thomas has done a great service by making this film. God bless each of you. God bless America.

Black Sabbath can hit home with "War Pigs". War is sad and so not needed. Protest, protest, protest. Don't let our "leaders" lead us into destruction.

Tnank you, Tomas. We need you. You can and will inspire us. Your bravery did not being and end in the middle east. It continues here in this time and place. Against a mighty force, your voice is heard clearly.

One of my favorite anti-war songs (and there are many thanks to Vietnam) is "Daylight Again" by Crosby, Stills and Nash.

Dear Mr. Moyers,
I think it is of considerable importance that you invite Vincent Bugliosi onto "The Journal" to discuss his new book, "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder." Even if you do not agree with Mr. Bugliosi's recommendation of a life sentence, his legal arguments about Bush's guilt and the requirements for a free society should be heard by all Americans.

I lost a beloved cousin in the Vietnam war -- a man who left behind a wife and three little boys, ages 1, 3 and 5. Alan volunteered to go; he didn't have to go. He was a captain in the Air Force and had dreamed of becoming an astronaut. He volunteered for Vietnam because he believed the lies our government told him, that it was about saving the world from Communism. It wasn't. The anti-war folks knew it was about oil in the South China Sea. It has always been about oil ever since then, and maybe even before. Alan was shot down at 400 feet by 'friendly fire' while coming in for a landing in a Special Forces (Green Beret) camp; he was delivering a load of supplies in a plane called 'Caribou'.

His death tore the scales from my eyes. Before then I had supported the war, just mindlessly believing what the government was telling us. That was my REAL 'born again' experience.

Interestingly, his stepmother -- and possibly his father -- continued to defend the war, the government, the lies the government told, claiming that otherwise it 'robbed his death of meaning'.

Excuse me? We have to believe lies in order to give meaning to deaths? The 'meaning' of his death and that of all the others is that a corrupt and dishonorable government, and the people who supported it, betrayed their military. Some 58,000 died; many more suffered terrible injuries from which they have not recovered to this day; many became suicides and/or addicts; and nightmares persist for many. We don't even know how many innocent Vietnamese we maimed and killed. These sacrifices were made on the altar of the War God, and would not have happened had we known the truth.

You military folks out there who proclaim that the bravery of these service men and women doesn't exist unless we believe and promote the lies of the government are doing nothing so much as perpetuating into eternity the endless cycle of bloodshed, brutality, and destruction. How many of you "brave men and women" have the courage to TELL THE TRUTH about your war experiences? Brave enough to kill and brave enough to die -- but are you BRAVE ENOUGH TO TELL THE TRUTH?

Very few. And I understand that many have been so extremely traumatized they simply cannot. And I also know that for many, part of the reason they cannot speak of their experiences is because they carry terrible burdens of shame and guilt for what they have done and participated in. I can understand that, but they need to understand that to protect the coming generations from repeating the disasters of this past century, WE NEED TO KNOW THEIR STORIES. We NEED to know their stories, because only when we start telling the truth in our history books and our media and our arts, as well as person to person and to our children can we begin to redeem ourselves and to restore a planet that is fit to live on.

The bravery of our troops consists in their WILLINGNESS to defend and protect our country -- to the death, if necessary. But it had damned well better be necessary!

Those of us who do NOT physically go to fight have a sacred duty to tell our troops the TRUTH -- WE ARE TRAITORS BETRAYING OUR HEROES TO DO ANYTHING LESS.

And it is the responsibility of every single one of us, in the service or not, to dig out the truth and not just mindlessly believe what authority figures say. Nothing guarantees that those in positions of authority have any ethics or morality; in fact, there is considerable evidence that many of them may actually be sociopaths -- people completely lacking a conscience -- perfectly willing to consign the lives of other people to deadly pursuits that are absolutely without honor.

In a democracy, even soldiers must learn to use their brains -- especially when their lives are on the line. Soldiers take an oath of office, just like the President -- "to protect and defend ... against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic." Whoever composed that oath KNEW that some enemies aren't 'out there' -- they are IN HERE. And certainly anyone who would lie in order to trick soldiers into going into battle are truly 'enemies' of the people.

Please, people -- everyone -- please use your brains; get the information you need so that you KNOW THE TRUTH before you sign up or send your kid off to sign up -- so that you can support and fight the RIGHT battles.

We do NOT need any more wars in defense of the wealth and power of the rich, for whom there is no such thing as ENOUGH.

Comment on President Bush's Bush BSing-speech in France:

Mr. "President", Please, do not bullshit people. Forgot our toppling of Mossadeq and our sabotaging of Iranian's beautiful-1979-revolution which lead to toppling of President Banisadr? Please, refrain from making any sort of threat, AND any sort of manipulative pseudo-uprising fabrications against Iran; so that people, who had democracy/freedom during the 3-year of Mossadeq's prime-ministership and the 2-year-Presidency of Banisadr, re-establish it again; through standing-ups against the stolen-anti-any-religiongovernment.

People of Iran tend to gather around their government when they perceive outside-danger against their country; no matter if it is a democratic or a brutal government.

So please, refrain from making threats or manipulation against Iran. Do not pay attention to Mujahedin-e Khalgh or ex-kicked-off blue-blooded pro-Shah individuals who, in order to get some money from US, wag their tails to us. These corrupt people are against democracy and freedom.

Dr. Murray M. Morgan

An Order To "President" Bush

Comment on President Bush's Bush BSing-speech in France:

Mr. "President", Please, do not bullshit people. Forgot our toppling of Mossadeq and our sabotaging of Iranian's beautiful-1979-revolution which lead to toppling of President Banisadr? Please, refrain from making any sort of threat, AND any sort of manipulative pseudo-uprising fabrications against Iran; so that people, who had democracy/freedom during the 3-year of Mossadeq's prime-ministership and the 2-year-Presidency of Banisadr, re-establish it again; through standing-ups against the stolen-government/against-Islam country. People of Irn tend to gather around their government when they perceive outside-danger against their country; no matter if it is a democratic or a brutal government. So please, refrain from making threats or manipulation against Iran. Do not pay attention to Mujahedin-e Khalgh or ex-kicked-off blue-blooded pro-Shah individuals who, in order to get some money from US, wag their tails to us. These corrupt people are against democracy and freedom.

Dr. Murray M. Morgan

Without voting for Ralph Nader, still his
issues resonate more with the public so
why don't these journalists mention "impeachment" which the public would
embrace if newsfolks brought it to the
media (as John Nichols of the Nation pointed out it would be a warning to future presidents not to behave the same way). Also how about discussing the range of American troops all over the world, and the breaking of international law invading countries that haven't invaded us (e.g. Iran).
Or letting Americans actually see what
is happening on the ground with the
Iraq civilians--if the reverse were happening, Americans would be hating any occupier.


Buffalo Springfield's "For What It's Worth" best describe my feelings for the war. Also, Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On" and Pink Floyd's "On The Turning Away". I grew up in the late 60's and early 70's and these songs describe the feelings of the Vietnam War and the Iraqi War. I am a 52 year old woman (ex-wife of a miliary veteran) and think the Iraq war was initiated for the wrong reasons.

Held Back

They gathered in a tight semicircle around a graying man. Close beside him on
the ground were three guitars sitting on top of closed cases. All three were
ready for use.
And as more and more people filled the chairs, standing room only developed.
With few exceptions, the performers gray hair was matched by the folks in the
That was appropriate. This was billed as a sing-a-long for fans on the
Kingston Trio. The 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and beyond folk group was known for
helping to launch the folk singing genre as well as being the first folk
group to record songs that became very popular in other music traditions.

“Hang down your head Tom Dooley. Hang down your head and cry.”

As the performer reminded the gathering, the Trio started out as Calypso
singers (hence “Kingston”) but they found success in folk and kept the name
(but they never visited the island of Jamaica).

“Will he ever return? No he’ll never return, and his fate is still

We sang in harmony and with additional lyrics and we heard more stories about
the group and the songs.

“And I knew our joy would fill the earth, and last till the end of time, my
love. And it would last till the end of time.”

So we sang together. Sometimes in harmony.

Then it happened.

The song, “ Can't help wonder where I'm bound.” began to set me off.

The next song had to be sung. But we all knew it would mean things this time
that would hurt. We knew that inside the words history would crash around us.

“Where have all the flowers gone?”

It formed what was almost an indictment.

“Long time Passing.”

And we knew the answers all along, without the faults, despite the effort.

“Gone to soldiers every one.”

And that is when I felt her eyes. Then I felt her tears.
She stood on the other side of a flat topped city garbage can that we were
both leaning against. A woman in her late sixties, maybe early seventies.
There was a soft sadness to her face. She clearly knew the words but her
voice struggled, knowing the meaning.

“When will we ever learn?”

Her tears had begun. Mine lapped against my eyes.
We both held back.
But we both knew the dam would break soon, quietly, inside us, as we sang.

“When will we ever learn?”

Written after Folklife (Seattle) 2002

The best, by far: Jimi Hendrix's Star Spangled Banner performance at Woodstock.

Guns 'N' Roses "Civil War"

God bless you, Mr. Young, for your antiwar activism and reminding me personally of my the first year recovering from a cervical fracture.

As I am sure you have heard Tomas Young was placed back into the hospital this past weekend. The Pitch newspaper out of KC did a story about him. You can check out the story here.

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised - Gil Scott Heron

I loved that song from the frist time I heard it. I have decided that the revolution was televised, but I was waching The Sopranos and missed it.

"For the love of one's country is a terrible thing. It banishes fear with the speed of a flame, And it makes us all part of the patriot game." — Dominic Behan ...

Someone used a cover of this song by Judy Collins in an NET Biography production on President John Adams

A lesson in clinical pharmacology. This is an indication of what's going on inside poor Tomas' body due to the pills, not skills, the VA offers. Pay close attention to the symptoms of ptsd and how they are increased by the drugs.Pay attention to the nervous system/psychiatric side effects, and see how they can make ptsd symptoms worse:
Does anyone else wonder if ptsd can also be chemically induced due to the drugs affects on the NERVOUS system?

Zanaflex (Tizanidine) drug description - FDA approved labeli... Find Zanaflex (Tizanidine) medication description and FDA approved drug information including side effects, interactions and patient labeling.

Side Effects & Drug Interactions

In multiple dose, placebo-controlled clinical studies, 264 patients were treated with tizanidine and 261 with placebo. Adverse events, including severe adverse events, were more frequently reported with tizanidine than with placebo.Common Adverse Events Leading to DiscontinuationForty-five of 264 (17%) patients receiving tizanidine and 13 of 261 (5%) of patients receiving placebo in three multiple dose, placebo-controlled clinical studies, discontinued treatment fo adverse events. When patients withdrew from the study, they frequently had more than one reason for discontinuing. The adverse events most frequently leading to withdrawal o tizanidine treated patients in the controlled clinical studies were asthenia (weakness, fatigue and/or tiredness) (3%), somnolence (3%), dry mouth (3%), increased spasm or tone (2%) and dizziness (2%).Most Frequent Adverse Clinical Events Seen in Association with Use of TizanidineIn multiple dose, placebo-controlled clinical studies involving 264 patients with spasticity, the most frequent adverse effects were dry mouth, somnolence/sedation, asthenia (weakness fatigue and/or tiredness) and dizziness. Three-quarters of the patients rated the events as mild to moderate and one-quarter of the patients rated the events as being severe. These events appeared to be dose related.

Table 2: Single Dose, Placebo-Controlled Study—Common Adverse Events Reported
Event Placebo
N = 48
% Tizanidine Tablet, 8mg,
N = 45
% Tizanidine Tablet, 16 mg,
N = 49



Dry mouth















* (weakness, fatigue, and/or tiredness)

Body as a Whole-Frequent: Fever : Allergic reaction, moniliasis, malaise, abscess, neck pain, sepsis, cellulites, death, overdose Rare: Carcinoma, congenital anomaly, suicide attempt
Cardiovascular System-Infrequent: Vasodilatation, postural hypotension, syncope, migraine, arrhythmia Rare: Angina pectoris, coronary artery disorder, heart failure, myocardial infarct, phlebitis, pulmonary embolus, ventricular extrasystoles, ventricular tachycardia
Digestive System-Frequent: Abdomen pain, diarrhea, dyspepsia Infrequent: Dysphagia, cholelithiasis, fecal impaction, flatulence, gastrointestinal hemorrhage, hepatitis, melena, Rare: Gastroenteritis, hematemesis, hepatoma, intestinal obstruction, liver damage Hemic and
Lymphatic system-Infrequent: Ecchymosis, hypercholesteremia, anemia, hyperlipemia, leukopenia, leukocytosis, sepsis Rare: Petechia, purpura, thrombocythemia, thrombocytopenia Metabolic and
Nutritional System-Infrequent: Edema, hypothyroidism, weight loss Rare: Adrenal cortex insufficiency, hyperglycemia, hypokalemia, hyponatremia, hypoproteinemia, respiratory acidosis
Musculoskeletal System-Frequent: Myasthenia, back pain Infrequent: Pathological fracture, arthralgia, arthritis, bursitis
Nervous system-Frequent: Depression, anxiety, paresthesia Infrequent: Tremor, emotional lability, convulsion, paralysis, thinking abnormal, vertigo, abnormal dreams, agitation, depersonalization, euphoria, migraine, stupor, dysautonomia, neuralgia Rare: Dementia, hemiplegia, neuropathy
Respiratory System-Infrequent: Sinusitis, pneumonia, bronchitis Rare: Asthma Skin and AppendagesFrequent: Rash, sweating, skin ulcer-Infrequent: Pruritus, dry skin, acne, alopecia, urticaria Rare: Exfoliative dermatitis, herpes simplex, herpes zoster, skin carcinoma
Special Senses-Infrequent: Ear pain, tinnitus, deafness, glaucoma, conjunctivitis, eye pain, optic neuritis, otitis media, retinal hemorrhage, visual field defect Rare: Iritis, keratitis, optic atrophy
Urogenital system-Infrequent: Urinary urgency, cystitis, menorrhagia, pyelonephritis, urinary retention, kidney calculus, uterine fibroids enlarged, vaginal moniliasis, vaginitis Rare: Albuminuria, glycosuria, hematuria, metrorrhagia

Drug Abuse and Dependence-Abuse potential was not evaluated in human studies. Rats were able to distinguish tizanidine from saline in a standard discrimination paradigm, after training, but failed to generalize the effects of morphine, cocaine, diazepam, or phenobarbital to tizanidine. Monkeys were shown to self-administer tizanidine in a dose-dependent manner, and abrupt cessation of tizanidine produced transient signs of withdrawal at doses > 35 times the maximum recommended human dose on a mg/m2 basis. These transient withdrawal signs (increased locomotion, body twitching, and aversive behavior toward the observer) were not reversed by naloxone administration. Tizanidine is closely related to clonidine, which is often abused in combination with narcotics and is known to cause symptoms of rebound upon abrupt withdrawal. Three cases of rebound symptoms on sudden withdrawal of tizanidine have been reported. The case reports suggest that these patients were also misusing narcotics. Withdrawal symptoms included hypertension, tachycardia, hypertonia, tremor, and anxiety. As with clonidine, withdrawal is expected to be more likely in cases where high doses are used, especially for prolonged periods.

Warnings & Precautions

Hypotension-Tizanidine is an a2-adrenergic agonist (like clonidine) and can produce hypotension. In a single dose study where blood pressure was monitored closely after dosing, two-thirds of patients treated with 8 mg of tizanidine had a 20% reduction in either the diastolic or systolic B P. The reduction was seen within 1 hour after dosing, peaked 2 to 3 hours after dosing and was associated, at times, with bradycardia, orthostatic hypotension, lightheadedness/dizziness and rarely syncope. The hypotensive effect is dose related and has been measured following single doses of = 2 mg.

Risk of Liver Injury-Tizanidine occasionally causes liver injury, most often hepatocellular in type. In controlled clinical studies, approximately 5% of patients treated with tizanidine had elevations of liver function tests (ALT/SGPT, AST/SGOT) to greater than 3 times the upper limit of normal (or 2 times if baseline levels were elevated)

Sedation-In the multiple dose, controlled clinical studies, 48% of patients receiving any dose of tizanidine reported sedation as an adverse event. In 10% of these cases, the sedation was rated as severe compared to Hallucinosis/Psychotic-Like symptoms-Tizanidine use has been associated with hallucinations. Formed, visual hallucinations or delusions have been reported in 5 of 170 patients (3%) in two North American controlled clinical studies. These 5 cases occurred within the first 6 weeks. Most of the patients were aware that the events were unreal. One patient developed psychoses in association with the hallucinations. One patient among these 5 continued to have problems for at least 2 weeks following discontinuation of tizanidine.

Neurontin (Gabapentin) drug description - FDA approved label... Medications and prescription drug information for consumers and medical health professionals. The most popular drugs and their side effects, interactions, ...
Body As A Whole: Frequent: asthenia, malaise, face edema; Infrequent: allergy, generalized edema, weight decrease, chill; Rare: strange feelings, lassitude, alcohol intolerance, hangover effect.
Cardiovascular System: Frequent: hypertension; Infrequent: hypotension, angina pectoris, peripheral vascular disorder, palpitation, tachycardia, migraine, murmur; Rare: atrial fibrillation, heart failure, thrombophlebitis, deep thrombophlebitis, myocardial infarction, cerebrovascular accident, pulmonary thrombosis, ventricular extrasystoles, bradycardia, premature atrial contraction, pericardial rub, heart block, pulmonary embolus, hyperlipidemia, hypercholesterolemia, pericardial effusion, pericarditis.
Digestive System: Frequent: anorexia, flatulence, gingivitis; Infrequent: glossitis, gum hemorrhage, thirst, stomatitis, increased salivation, gastroenteritis, hemorrhoids, bloody stools, fecal incontinence, hepatomegaly; Rare: dysphagia, eructation, pancreatitis, peptic ulcer, colitis, blisters in mouth, tooth discolor, perlèche, salivary gland enlarged, lip hemorrhage, esophagitis, hiatal hernia, hematemesis, proctitis, irritable bowel syndrome, rectal hemorrhage, esophageal spasm.
Endocrine System: Rare: hyperthyroid, hypothyroid, goiter, hypoestrogen, ovarian failure, epididymitis, swollen testicle, cushingoid appearance.
Hematologic and Lymphatic System: Frequent: purpura most often described as bruises resulting from physical trauma; Infrequent: anemia, thrombocytopenia, lymphadenopathy; Rare: WBC count increased, lymphocytosis, non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, bleeding time increased.
Musculoskeletal System: Frequent: arthralgia; Infrequent: tendinitis, arthritis, joint stiffness, joint swelling, positive Romberg test; Rare: costochondritis, osteoporosis, bursitis, contracture.
Nervous System: Frequent: vertigo, hyperkinesia, paresthesia, decreased or absent reflexes, increased reflexes, anxiety, hostility; Infrequent: CNS tumors, syncope, dreaming abnormal, aphasia, hypesthesia, intracranial hemorrhage, hypotonia, dysesthesia, paresis, dystonia, hemiplegia, facial paralysis, stupor, cerebellar dysfunction, positive Babinski sign, decreased position sense, subdural hematoma, apathy, hallucination, decrease or loss of libido, agitation, paranoia, depersonalization, euphoria, feeling high, doped-up sensation, suicide attempt, (Not suicidal ideation, ATTEMPT)psychosis; Rare: choreoathetosis, orofacial dyskinesia, encephalopathy, nerve palsy, personality disorder, increased libido, subdued temperament, apraxia, fine motor control disorder, meningismus, local myoclonus, hyperesthesia, hypokinesia, mania, neurosis, hysteria, antisocial reaction, suicide.
Respiratory System: Frequent: pneumonia; Infrequent: epistaxis, dyspnea, apnea; Rare: mucositis, aspiration pneumonia, hyperventilation, hiccup, laryngitis, nasal obstruction, snoring, bronchospasm, hypoventilation, lung edema.
Dermatological: Infrequent: alopecia, eczema, dry skin, increased sweating, urticaria, hirsutism, seborrhea, cyst, herpes simplex; Rare: herpes zoster, skin discolor, skin papules, photosensitive reaction, leg ulcer, scalp seborrhea, psoriasis, desquamation, maceration, skin nodules, subcutaneous nodule, melanosis, skin necrosis, local swelling.
Urogenital System: Infrequent: hematuria, dysuria, urination frequency, cystitis, urinary retention, urinary incontinence, vaginal hemorrhage, amenorrhea, dysmenorrhea, menorrhagia, breast cancer, unable to climax, ejaculation abnormal; Rare: kidney pain, leukorrhea, pruritus genital, renal stone, acute renal failure, anuria, glycosuria, nephrosis, nocturia, pyuria, urination urgency, vaginal pain, breast pain, testicle pain.
Special Senses: Frequent: abnormal vision; Infrequent: cataract, conjunctivitis, eyes dry, eye pain, visual field defect, photophobia, bilateral or unilateral ptosis, eye hemorrhage, hordeolum, hearing loss, earache, tinnitus, inner ear infection, otitis, taste loss, unusual taste, eye twitching, ear fullness; Rare: eye itching, abnormal accommodation, perforated ear drum, sensitivity to noise, eye focusing problem, watery eyes, retinopathy, glaucoma, iritis, corneal disorders, lacrimal dysfunction, degenerative eye changes, blindness, retinal degeneration, miosis, chorioretinitis, strabismus, eustachian tube dysfunction, labyrinthitis, otitis externa, odd smell.
Postmarketing and Other Experience-In addition to the adverse experiences reported during clinical testing of Neurontin, the following adverse experiences have been reported in patients receiving marketed Neurontin. These adverse experiences have not been listed above and data are insufficient to support an estimate of their incidence or to establish causation. The listing is alphabetized: angioedema, blood glucose fluctuation, breast hypertrophy, erythema multiforme, elevated liver function tests, fever, hyponatremia, jaundice, movement disorder, Stevens-Johnson syndrome. Adverse events following the abrupt discontinuation of gabapentin have also been reported. The most frequently reported events were anxiety, insomnia, nausea, pain and sweating.
Body System/Adverse Event
Body As A Whole
Fatigue 11.0 5.0
Weight Increase 2.9 1.6
Back Pain 1.8 0.5
Peripheral Edema 1.7 0.5
Vasodilatation 1.1 0.3
Digestive System
Dyspepsia 2.2 0.5
Mouth or Throat Dry 1.7 0.5
Constipation 1.5 0.8
Dental Abnormalities 1.5 0.3
Increased Appetite 1.1 0.8
Hematologic and Lymphatic Systems
Leukopenia 1.1 0.5
Musculoskeletal System
Myalgia 2.0 1.9
Fracture 1.1 0.8
Nervous System
Somnolence 19.3 8.7
Dizziness 17.1 6.9
Ataxia 12.5 5.6
Nystagmus 8.3 4.0
Tremor 6.8 3.2
Nervousness 2.4 1.9
Dysarthria 2.4 0.5
Amnesia 2.2 0.0
Depression 1.8 1.1
Thinking Abnormal 1.7 1.3
Twitching 1.3 0.5
Coordination Abnormal 1.1 0.3
Respiratory System
Rhinitis 4.1 3.7
Pharyngitis 2.8 1.6
Coughing 1.8 1.3
Skin and Appendages
Abrasion 1.3 0.0
Pruritus 1.3 0.5
Urogenital System
Impotence 1.5 1.1
Special Senses
Diplopia 5.9 1.9
Amblyopiab 4.2 1.1
Laboratory Deviations
WBC Decreased 1.1 0.5
a Plus background antiepileptic drug therapy
b Amblyopia was often described as blurred vision.

Other events in more than 1% of patients > 12 years of age but equally or more frequent in the placebo group included: headache, viral infection, fever, nausea and/or vomiting, abdominal pain, diarrhea, convulsions, confusion, insomnia, emotional lability, rash, acne.
Among the treatment-emergent adverse events occurring at an incidence of at least 10% of Neurontin-treated patients, somnolence and ataxia appeared to exhibit a positive dose-response relationship.
Other events in more than 1% of patients but equally or more frequent in the placebo group included pain, tremor, neuralgia, back pain, dyspepsia, dyspnea, and flu syndrome.
a Controlled Add-On Trial (Events in at least 2% of Neurontin patients and numerically more frequent than in the placebo group)
Body System/Adverse Event Neurontina
% Placeboa
Body As A Whole
Viral Infection 10.9 3.1
Fever 10.1 3.1
Weight Increase 3.4 0.8
Fatigue 3.4 1.6
Digestive System
Nausea and/or Vomiting 8.4 7.0
Nervous System
Somnolence 8.4 4.7
Hostility 7.6 2.3
Emotional Lability 4.2 1.6
Dizziness 2.5 1.6
Hyperkinesia 2.5 0.8
Respiratory System
Bronchitis 3.4 0.8
Respiratory Infection 2.5 0.8
a Plus background antiepileptic drug therapy


Morphine: A literature article reported that when a 60-mg controlled-release morphine capsule was administered 2 hours prior to a 600-mg Neurontin capsule (N=12), mean gabapentin AUC increased by 44% compared to gabapentin administered without morphine (see PRECAUTIONS). Morphine pharmacokinetic parameter values were not affected by administration of Neurontin 2 hours after morphine. The magnitude of interaction at other doses is not known.

Warnings & Precautions
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Neuropsychiatric Adverse Events—Pediatric Patients 3-12 years of ageGabapentin use in pediatric patients with epilepsy 3–12 years of age is associated with the occurrence of central nervous system related adverse events. The most significant of these can be classified into the following categories: 1) emotional lability (primarily behavioral problems), 2) hostility, including aggressive behaviors, 3) thought disorder, including concentration problems and change in school performance, and 4) hyperkinesia (primarily restlessness and hyperactivity). Among the gabapentin-treated patients, most of the events were mild to moderate in intensity.In controlled trials in pediatric patients 3–12 years of age the incidence of these adverse events was: emotional lability 6% (gabapentin-treated patients) vs 1.3% (placebo-treated patients); hostility 5.2% vs 1.3%; hyperkinesia 4.7% vs 2.9%; and thought disorder 1.7% vs 0%. One of these events, a report of hostility, was considered serious. Discontinuation of gabapentin treatment occurred in 1.3% of patients reporting emotional lability and hyperkinesia and 0.9% of gabapentin-treated patients reporting hostility and thought disorder. One placebo-treated patient (0.4%) withdrew due to emotional lability.
Tumorigenic PotentialIn standard preclinical in vivo lifetime carcinogenicity studies, an unexpectedly high incidence of pancreatic acinar adenocarcinomas was identified in male, but not female, rats. (See PRECAUTIONS: Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility.)

In clinical studies in adjunctive therapy in epilepsy comprising 2085 patient-years of exposure in patients > 12 years of age, new tumors were reported in 10 patients (2 breast, 3 brain, 2 lung, 1 adrenal, 1 non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, 1 endometrial carcinoma in situ), and preexisting tumors worsened in 11 patients (9 brain, 1 breast, 1 prostate) during or up to 2 years following discontinuation of Neurontin.
Sudden and Unexplained Death in Patients With Epilepsy During the course of premarketing development of Neurontin 8 sudden and unexplained deaths were recorded among a cohort of 2203 patients treated (2103 patient-years of exposure).

Studies designed to investigate the mechanism of gabapentin-induced pancreatic carcinogenesis in rats indicate that gabapentin stimulates DNA synthesis in rat pancreatic acinar cells in vitro and, thus, may be acting as a tumor promoter by enhancing mitogenic activity. It is not known whether gabapentin has the ability to increase cell proliferation in other cell types or in other species, including humans.

This drug is scary due to the high risk of seizure. I believe ptsd is a neuro-logical injury, so medication that affects the nervous system can increase the symptoms of ptsd too.
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Since this drug may cause sleeplessness at first, it is best not to take this near bedtime

SIDE EFFECTS: This medication is generally well tolerated. Dry mouth, headache, increased sweating, nausea/vomiting, constipation, anxiety, fatigue and blurred vision may occur. If these effects persist or worsen, notify your doctor. Report promptly: unusual weight loss or gain, palpitations, agitation, trouble sleeping. Unlikely but report promptly: tremor, dizziness, fainting, slowed movements, difficulty urinating, decreased sex drive, drowsiness. Very unlikely but report promptly: unusual or severe mental/mood changes, severe headache, fever, muscle aches, yellowing of the eyes or skin. Seek immediate medical attention if the following infrequent but serious side effect occurs: seizures. Bupropion should be stopped permanently if you have a seizure while taking the medication. In the unlikely event you have an allergic reaction to this drug, seek medical attention immediately. Symptoms may include trouble breathing, rash, itching, swelling, or severe dizziness. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist.

PRECAUTIONS: Before taking bupropion, tell your doctor or pharmacist if you are allergic to it or if you have any other allergies. This medication should not be used if you have certain medical conditions. Before using this medicine, consult your doctor if you have: seizures, eating disorders (e.g., bulimia, anorexia nervosa). This medication should not be used if you are suddenly stopping regular use of sedatives (e.g., benzodiazepines such as diazepam) or alcohol, since doing so creates a higher risk of seizures. Before taking this medicine, tell your doctor or pharmacist your medical history, including: head injury, brain tumor, heart disease, high blood pressure, liver problems, kidney problems, diabetes, any mental conditions, alcohol/drug dependence, the intent to quit smoking. Because of the possibility this drug will make you dizzy and affect coordination, do not drive or operate machinery until you get used to the drug's effects. Limit or avoid consumption of alcoholic beverages; alcohol can increase your risk of seizures. Do not take this medicine with any other product containing bupropion (e.g., drugs to help quit smoking) since large doses of bupropion are more likely to cause seizures. Though uncommon, depression can lead to thoughts or attempts of suicide. Tell your doctor immediately if you have any suicidal thoughts, worsening depression, or any other mental/mood changes (including new or worsening anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, trouble sleeping, irritability, hostile/angry feelings, impulsive actions, severe restlessness, rapid speech).


DRUG INTERACTIONS: This drug should not be used with the following medications because very serious interactions may occur: MAO inhibitors (e.g., isocarboxazid, phenelzine, tranylcypromine, pargyline, selegiline, linezolid, furazolidone). If you are currently using or have recently stopped taking an MAO inhibitor within the last 14 days, tell your doctor or pharmacist before starting bupropion. Before taking this medicine, tell your doctor of all nonprescription and prescription medications you may use especially: levodopa, warfarin, ritonavir, adrenaline-like stimulants (e.g., ephedrine), regular use of sedatives (e.g., diazepam), diabetes medications (e.g., hypoglycemic agents such as glyburide, glipizide, or insulin), amantadine, products containing nicotine (e.g., patches or gum). Also report the use of drugs which might increase seizure risk (decrease seizure threshold) when combined with bupropion such as phenothiazines (e.g., thioridazine), tricyclic antidepressants (e.g., amitriptyline), isoniazid (INH), or theophylline among others. Consult your doctor or pharmacist for details. Excess caffeine intake can increase the chance of seizures with this drug. Check all nonprescription/prescription drug labels for caffeine. Consult your doctor or pharmacist. Do not start or stop any medicine without doctor or pharmacist approval.OVERDOSE: If overdose is suspected, contact your local poison control center or emergency room immediately. US residents can call the US national poison hotline at 1-800-222-1222. Canadian residents should call their local poison control center directly. Symptoms of overdose may include seizures, hallucinations, rapid heart rate, and loss of consciousness.

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Post-marketing ExperienceThe following adverse reactions have been identified during post-approval use of PRILOSEC Delayed-Release Capsules. Because these reactions are voluntarily reported from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their actual frequency or establish a causal relationship to drug exposure.
Body As a Whole: Hypersensitivity reactions including anaphylaxis, anaphylactic shock, angioedema, bronchospasm, interstitial nephritis, urticaria, (see also Skin below); fever; pain; fatigue; malaise;
Cardiovascular: Chest pain or angina, tachycardia, bradycardia, palpitations, elevated blood pressure, peripheral edema
Endocrine: Gynecomastia
Gastrointestinal: Pancreatitis (some fatal), anorexia, irritable colon, fecal discoloration, esophageal candidiasis, mucosal atrophy of the tongue, stomatitis, abdominal swelling, dry mouth. During treatment with omeprazole, gastric fundic gland polyps have been noted rarely. These polyps are benign and appear to be reversible when treatment is discontinued. Gastroduodenal carcinoids have been reported in patients with ZE syndrome on long-term treatment with PRILOSEC. This finding is believed to be a manifestation of the underlying condition, which is known to be associated with such tumors. Hepatic: Liver disease including hepatic failure (some fatal), liver necrosis (some fatal), hepatic encephalopathy hepatocellular disease, cholestatic disease, mixed hepatitis, jaundice, and elevations of liver function tests [ALT, AST, GGT, alkaline phosphatase, and bilirubin]
Metabolic/Nutritional: Hypoglycemia, hyponatremia, weight gain
Musculoskeletal: Muscle weakness, myalgia, muscle cramps, joint pain, leg pain Nervous System/Psychiatric: Psychiatric and sleep disturbances including depression, agitation, aggression, hallucinations, confusion, insomnia, nervousness, apathy, somnolence, anxiety, and dream abnormalities; tremors, paresthesia; vertigo Respiratory: Epistaxis, pharyngeal pain
Skin: Severe generalized skin reactions including toxic epidermal necrolysis (some fatal), Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and erythema multiforme; photosensitivity; urticaria; rash; skin inflammation; pruritus; petechiae; purpura; alopecia; dry skin; hyperhidrosis
Special Senses: Tinnitus, taste perversion
Ocular: Optic atrophy, anterior ischemic optic neuropathy, optic neuritis, dry eye syndrome, ocular irritation, blurred vision, double vision
Urogenital: Interstitial nephritis, hematuria, proteinuria, elevated serum creatinine, microscopic pyuria, urinary tract infection, glycosuria, urinary frequency, testicular pain
Hematologic: Agranulocytosis (some fatal), hemolytic anemia, pancytopenia, neutropenia, anemia, thrombocytopenia, leukopenia, leucocytosis

Drugs metabolized by cytochrome P450 (CYP)Omeprazole can prolong the elimination of diazepam, warfarin and phenytoin, drugs that are metabolized by oxidation in the liver. There have been reports of increased INR and prothrombin time in patients receiving proton pump inhibitors, including omeprazole, and warfarin concomitantly. Increases in INR and prothrombin time may lead to abnormal bleeding and even death. Patients treated with proton pump inhibitors and warfarin may need to be monitored for increases in INR and prothrombin time.Although in normal subjects no interaction with theophylline or propranolol was found, there have been clinical reports of interaction with other drugs metabolized via the cytochrome P450 system (e.g., cyclosporine, disulfiram, benzodiazepines). Patients should be monitored to determine if it is necessary to adjust the dosage of these drugs when taken concomitantly with PRILOSEC.

In 24-month carcinogenicity studies in rats, a dose-related significant increase in gastric carcinoid tumors and ECL cell hyperplasia was observed in both male and female animals [See WARNINGS and PRECAUTIONS] Carcinoid tumors have also been observed in rats subjected to fundectomy or long-term treatment with other proton pump inhibitors or high doses of H2-receptor antagonists.

Take the simple case of the Sarge,
Who wouldn't go back to war,
Cause the hippies tore down everything he was fighting for.
Or the lovers on a blanket,
In a city turned to whores.
Memories of green,
Kissed by the Sun.

Neil Young

Of course this time it was the neocons who tore everything down, and most of Congress who turned to (or into) whores. And this is the nadir of green (nature), so that the Sun's kiss now boils and fries. This song is so old that my mother Ellen used to sing it to me as a lullaby and now I am 52. How did we lose control: How were we fooled: How were we trapped?


I live in KC and know Tomas. We are saddened to hear he is ill. Tomas has been an incredible asset to our community and has done so much to support our local groups who have been speaking out against this war for over 5 years now. We are so proud to claim Tomas as a member of our community.

Today (Sunday June 1) we are holding a vigil for Tomas. If you are in the KC area, please join us at 47 and Main in front of Nichols Fountain (the horse fountain) from 4:00 to 5:00. We will have cards and signs or bring your own. We will deliver the cards to the hospital this evening.

As for music, I am an old hippie girl so I like Peace Train by Cat Stevens and Fixing to Die Rag by Country Joe McDonald.

I would have to say Marvin Gaye singing " War is not the Answer" is forever dear in my heart. And the goveners of state just don't get it. I've always thought the two heads of state sould duke it out and call it a war.Now that'll get you a black president years ago.All this killing of innocent lives and teaching young people this is how we do it is wrong.I pray for no one under a God who would allow ,child abuse,hunger and war.But I praise you highly Sir.You are a great leader for young and old.Thank-you for being a brave human being and not killing not one baby,child,woman or man.

Regarding: "Body of War-Tomas Young"
This could well be one of the most important documentaries of the century as it pertains to the direction of a new generation of Americans and how they plot their political course in a new and ever changing global landscape.
If this film could make it's way into every school in the USA and the rest of the world, a great and noble change befitting all humanity would be inevitable and irrevocable.

J. Regan

First of all, thanks Mr. Young, for your service and sacrifice. Unlike our nasty little president, you are a true patriot.

What's my favorite antiwar or protest music? No voting about it: "A Song of Peace" by Harmonious Combustion. This wonderful acappella arrangement, based upon "Finlandia" by Jean Sibelius (1865-1957), lyrics by Lloyd Stone (1912 - ), speaks to the issues we face in a more compassionate and comprehensive way than just about anything I've ever heard.

You can download a free MP3 of the song here:

You can also watch videos where I used the track as a music bed for various video projects:

Capitol Mall in Sacramento stretches six city blocks from near the Tower Bridge to a large fountain near the California State Capital (Google map the phrase "capitol mall sacramento" for a satellite view of the area). This installation -- hosted by Sacramento Coalition to End the War, on behalf of the Iraq Body Count Exhibit -- covered nearly the entire mall from May 24th to May 31st, 2008.

Organizers estimate that 120,000 flags were placed by about 50 volunteers. Each white flag represents at least 5 Iraqi citizens and each red flag represents at least 1 U.S. citizen killed as a result of the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq (sources and citations are available at the exhibit website).

Visit for more photos and information.

Thanks again, Mr. Young. Mission accomplished.

Thank you Bill, Phil & Ellen,

I appreciate you bringing this to our attention. As was designed by our government and the media in their sanitation of this war, I feel a complete disconnect from the war and the people who are impacted directly by it. This gave me some more context, and inspired me to write this about those whose claims of Patriotism is only superficial while calling all others out for speaking up against war & dialogs with other "enemy" countries.

i hope the best for Thomas Young, his family and hopefully a speedy recovery from his latest hurdles.

Patriot’s Game

“The gravity of his injuries, paralyzed enough to blow any person back”!
The Courage and strength are heartening!
“To fight for this nation, tell the truth “!
“A man is ORDERED to say [to lie] that White House aids... were not
involved in leaking...” and now he is prejudge for telling the truth
as what is “honorable”.
The fact, “The white House has not been forthright on Iraq” and
plunge the country into “Iraq war that was not necessary”, that cost
over 4100 death, over 30000 wounded, trillions of dollars for war , waste and
destruction of a country and their way of life “that was not necessary”,
have courage to question and prejudge a man what is “honorable”!
Did the Education System failed to educate some children
“ to tell the truth”? It seems it has left “more than one child behind”!
Did they learn to implement religious believes, such as,
“I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE”?
The Congress and the Justice System is not much better.
“A government at its worst, thoroughly unable to guarantee the faithful execution of all the laws or look out for your interests and education as citizens”.
They have fail their duties, responsibilities and denied the ISSUESS to be placed
on a ballot for “the people to EXPRESS their Will.” “The TRUTH as ALWAYS it HURTS”!

Belfast to Boston
by James Taylor

There are rifles buried in the countryside for the rising of the moon

May they lie there long forgotten till they rust away into the ground

Who will bend this ancient hatred, will the killing to an end

Who will swallow long injustice, take the devil for a country man

Who will say "this far no further, oh lord, if I die today"

Send no weapons no more money. Send no vengeance across the seas

Just the blessing of forgiveness for my new countryman and me

Missing brothers, martyred fellows, silent children in the ground

Could we but hear them could they not tell us
"Time to lay God's rifle down"

Who will say this far no further, oh Lord, if I die today.

You wouldn't be so proud if you knew what the term "lifer" means to military people....

I know this whole thread makes some people feel good. Nothing wrong with that.

Just remember that you marginalize at best, at worst villify, every soldier, sailor, airmen and marine that provides you the freedom and forum to bitch. It makes you feel like you are altuistic and noble.

You want war in the middle east to stop? Dont' buy another drop of that damned gasoline. War will end. Until you do, you are a purveyer of this war whether you like it or not......

Think about that when your gardener is blowing leaves off your lawn with a leaf blower and you are using your latest electronic toy.....

Karl, former USN

My father was a lifer and he was in three wars. The tailend of WW11, Korea and Vietnam lucky for us he came back in one piece. In Vietnam his favorite song was "give peace a chance by John Lennon and now my son, father and I like James McMurty's "Cheney's Toy".By the way this is about Prez Bush not soliders.

Another unknown solider
Another lesson learned
Kick the gas can over
Strike a match and watch that sucker burn

Keep smiling for the camara
Keep waving to the crowd
Don't let up for an instant
Stay the course and make your mama proud

You're the man
Show 'em what your made of
Your no longer daddy's boy
Your the man
That they're all afraid of
But your only Cheney's toy

Another unknown solider
Who's seen it all before
All in the name of Jesus
Behind the razor wire and shackeled to the floor

Just keep smiling at the camara
And keep that twinkle in your eye
We don't need to know the answers
Long as we're safe, just hit your marks and say your lines

Your the man
Show em what your made of
You're no longer daddy's boy
Take a stand
Give em what they paid for
Cause you're only Cheney's toy

They'll take a fork and turn you over
While the fat lady sings
One more pin on one more shoulder
It's all the future brings
For another unkown solider
Who don't know his own name
And he won't get any older
And he can't see for the schranel in his brain...
The stain won't come out no matter how hard this Administration scrubs and McCain and Hillary want another one in Iran...NEVER AGAIN! Disgusted in Austin texas

Jackson Brownes song LIVES IN THE BALANCE is a great anti war song. If you don't feel some anger when you here it, then you don't have a pulse.

Kat Edmonson's incredible song and video ," Be the Change" !
Why aren't more twenty-something's writing songs protesting the war??

Above and beyond 'Johnny Got His Gun', I recommend Michael Herr's 'Dispatches'.
It is the greatest/finest piece of prose I've come across, fiction or nonfiction.

Vedder is articulate regarding the senseless killing that unfortunately has repeated itself over our human history. Only when voices like his are heard, and more importantly acted on, do things change. He joins Dylan (Mastes of War, John Brown & others), Buffy St Marie (Universal Soldier), Phil Ochs (I Ain't Marching Anymore, Draft-Dodger Rag & others), Seeger, and many other folk and blues artists who have vocalized the protests, pain and anger of those manipulated into war by the elite who are quite willing to sacrifice other children to "protect" their own and themselves. Having viewed the program and then learned that Tomas is in a coma rekindled my resolve to continue to speak out against this war whenever I have the opportunity and support those whose goal is to end it. Dick Cheney & George Bush, Donald Rumsfield, and the rest of the Bush administration war advocates need to be forced to view this film at least once a day for the rest of their lives. My foundest hopes to Tomas, his brother, and the rest of his family.


Dear Bill,
I just saw your interview with Reverend Wright. I was very moved by what he had to say. It is sad that in this great nation of ours, the intellectual sophistication of most of our citizens is so low. We refuse to think and question. We thirst for second-hand opinions. We see everything either black or white, and are proud of that. It really is sad, because reality is so much more subtle than that. We are neither all good nor all bad. There are wonderful things about people like Farakan, even though there are also other very negative attributes. Somebody of the culture and sophistication of Reverend Wright can discriminate this. More power to him because of it. Mind you, this is a jew writing this.


The True Believers need to read "Johnny Got His Gun" by Dalton Trumbo. That'll shorten the plane ride to Iraqnam.

We lefties tried to tell 'em, but they wouldn't listen. I told 'em, "don't come back crying, just come back." And I refuse to "thank" them.
Today, I just recommend that great book about war, and strongly assure the True Believers that it'd be such a great book to read on the plane going to Iraq. Dalton Trumbo's "Johnny Got His Gun." Sure will make the flight seem shorter.

The most potent weapon of the oppressors is the mind of the oppressed.

"Body of War" is the most moving video about the consequences of war that I have seen. Thank you Tomas for the articulate and courageous sharing of your ordeal with us and opening our eyes to the plight of our injured soldiers.
I intend to buy the CD which is full of great music - Niel Young and Bruce are favorites.
One of the most moving anti war songs I have heard is by Robert Cray and the music video is located on the American Friends Service Committee Website.
If you have never seen an Eyes Wide Open Exhibit it is worth the visit.

"Lives in the Balance" by Jackson Browne is more relevant than ever. The lyrics are dead-on.

Disposable Heroes

by Metallica

Bodies fill the fields I see, hungry heroes end
No one to play soldier now, no one to pretend
Running blind through killing fields, bred to kill them all
Victim of what said should be
A servant `til I fall

Soldier boy, made of clay
Now an empty shell
Twenty one, only son
but he served us well
Bred to kill, not to care
Do just as we say
Finished here, Greeting Death
He's yours to take away

Back to the front
You will do what I say, when I say
Back to the front
You will die when I say, you must die
Back to the front
You coward
You servant
You blindman

Barking of machinegun fire, does nothing to me now
Sounding of the clock that ticks, get used to it somehow
More a man, more stripes you wear, glory seeker trends
Bodies fill the fields I see
The slaughter never ends

Why, Am I dying?
Kill, having no fear
Lie, live off lying
Hell, Hell is here

I was born for dying

Life planned out before my birth, nothing could I say
had no chance to see myself, molded day by day
Looking back I realize, nothing have I done
left to die with only friend
Alone I clench my gun

Soldier boy, made of clay
Now an empty shell
Twenty one, only son
but he served us well
Bred to kill, not to care
Do just as we say
Finished here, Greeting Death
He's yours to take away

Back to the Front
You will do what I say, when I say
Back to the front
You will die when I say, you must die
Back to the front
You coward
You servant
You blindman

For a change of pace, here's lyrics from a more recent band/album:

Rise Today

by Alter Bridge

The wind is blowing cold
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?

Feels like we're all alone
Running further from what's right
And there are no more heroes to follow

So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?

Yeah, oh yeah
I want to rise today
And change this world

Yeah, oh yeah
Oh, won't you rise today
And change this world?

The sun is beating down
Are we ever gonna change
Can we stop the blood from running?

Our time is running out
Hope we find a better way
Before we find we're left with nothing

For every life that's taken
So much love is wasted

Yeah, oh yeah
So won't you rise today
And change

This world
Only love can set it right
This world
If only peace would never die

It seems to me that we've got each other wrong
Was the enemy just your brother all along?

Marvin Gaye - What's Going On

Mother, mother
There's too many of you crying
Brother, brother, brother
There's far too many of you dying
You know we've got to find a way
To bring some lovin' here today - Ya

Father, father
We don't need to escalate
You see, war is not the answer
For only love can conquer hate
You know we've got to find a way
To bring some lovin' here today

Picket lines and picket signs
Don't punish me with brutality
Talk to me, so you can see
Oh, what's going on
What's going on
Ya, what's going on
Ah, what's going on

In the mean time
Right on, baby
Right on
Right on

Father, father, everybody thinks we're wrong
Oh, but who are they to judge us
Simply because our hair is long
Oh, you know we've got to find a way
To bring some understanding here today

Picket lines and picket signs
Don't punish me with brutality
Talk to me
So you can see
What's going on
Ya, what's going on
Tell me what's going on
I'll tell you what's going on - Uh

My all time favorite Anti-war and Protest song is, "What's going on", by Marvin Gaye. Its the perfect song and has always gotten me through both wars.

A spirit fell and touched the ground,
Someone turned around,
Another said , he cares no more , if there is peace or war ,
But , I know he turned around when a spirit touched the ground.
There are some who understand his pain ,
It even has a special name,
Post traumatic stress they say ,
He learned it when so far away ,
He didn't have to turn around , to know a spirit touched the ground.
Once more he'll have a better day,
When doves to heaven lead the way ,
And spirits once again will soar ,
As he knew they did before the war ,
But always he will look around ,
When remembered spirit's touch the ground.

I wrote that , but I love Imagine " "Blowing In The Wind" , and Willie Nelsons , " Whatever Happened To Peace On Earth "

Fortunate Son by CCR


Tomas, you are a true American patriot and a brave man to stand up to this senseless Bush's war and government. Bush used the name of Jesus in vain as you said to fight this war, I agree with you on that. He also used the word patriot to justify this war, but you and many other soldiers alive, disable or dead are the real patriots. US has showed signs of prosperity in the last fifty something years, but it has also shown signs of decadence in the last 30 something years, but stronger decadence in the last 8 years of Bush's presidency and government.
Democracy for what it stands for real which is social justice, and not what the well-to-do including our government
say democracy is, which for them is free enterprise and get richer and richer by stepping on everyone in this world including everyone in this country, will not last too much longer in US. But, I agree with you Tomas, you fight and fight everyday and nothing gets done as if people are in a haze, in a cloud, not really paying attention or not caring enough. If we don't wake up and smell the coffee and demand better conditions, social jusice, real freedom for all of us and the rest of the world from our government, in no time this country will dissapear. Tomas, I hope you inspire everyone in this country to stand up and demand better from our government, after all we have chosen them to speak and act in our behalf. They have seemed to forget that. You have inspired me Tomas.

The above Monster by Steppenwolf is a great one.
another is Step Out Of Line by Saturnalia.

¨What are we waiting for.
Open the door.
With revolution
on every ones mind,
itś only a matter of time
before the whole country
steps out of line¨

My favorite protest song would have to be Captain America by moe.

I have to add "If I Had A Hammer by Peter, Paul and Mary (music and lyrics by Pete Seeger and Lee Hays, 1958)

My suggestions have already been made, including my favorite, "I ain't Marching Anymore" by my fellow El Pasoan, Phil Ochs. I would also suggest just about anything by Anti=Flag. I'm sure someone has mentioned "Imagine" by John Lennon.

For me the songs that have best expressed my feelings on the Iraq war are:

Let's Impeach The President by Neil Young


Dear Mr. President by Pink

I LOVE Michale Franti's music

My favorite line from one of his songs, " you can bomb the world to pieces but you can't bomb it into peace."


The Moyer's program was fantastic and I am anxious to see the film and get Tomas' CD collection. There is a great need to bring more attention to the plight vets from this war and the inadequacy of proper medical attention. My song choices reflect my generation.
Steve Earle - Rich Man's War
(He will be here in Lawrence, Kansas on May 1. Tomas, I hope you can make it.)

Bob Dylan - Masters of War
Bob Dylan - Blowin' in the Wind
Bob Dylan - With God On Our Side
Pete Seeger - Where Have All the Flowers Gone
Phil Ochs - I Ain't Marching Anymore

Many of these songs are new to me as are the artist. I was waiting to see this one and having not I'll submit Joel Mabus's "Touch a name on the wall". A must!

Some of the best war songs became anthems with the movemnet to stop a war. We so need a movement now!

I'd have to say one of my favorites is not all that well known. "Powderfinger" by Neil Young and his band Crazy Horse put a timeless edge to this song that begs to be replayed over and over.


Look out, Mama,
there's a white boat
comin' up the river
With a big red beacon,
and a flag,
and a man on the rail
I think you'd better call John,
'Cause it don't
look like they're here
to deliver the mail
And it's less than a mile away
I hope they didn't come to stay
It's got numbers on the side
and a gun
And it's makin' big waves.

Daddy's gone,
my brother's out hunting
in the mountains
Big John's been drinking
since the river took Emmy-Lou
So the powers that be
left me here
to do the thinkin'
And I just turned twenty-two
I was wonderin' what to do
And the closer they got,
The more those feelings grew.

Daddy's rifle in my hand
felt reassurin'
He told me,
Red means run, son,
numbers add up to nothin'
But when the first shot
hit the docks I saw it comin'
Raised my rifle to my eye
Never stopped to wonder why.
Then I saw black,
And my face splashed in the sky.

Shelter me from the powder
and the finger
Cover me with the thought
that pulled the trigger
Think of me
as one you'd never figured
Would fade away so young
With so much left undone
Remember me to my love,
I know I'll miss her.

Tin Soldier by the Stiff Little Fingers:


He joined up to get a job and show he wasn't scared
Swapped boy scout hat for army cap, he thought he'd be prepared
At the age of 17 he was forced to choose
At the age of 21 he's in Catch 22

He joined up for just three years, it seemed a small amount
But they didn't tell him that the first two didn't count
At the age of 17 how was he to know
That at the age of 21 he'd still have one to go?

Tin soldier, he signed away his name
Tin soldier, no chance for cash or fame
Tin soldier, now he know the truth
Tin soldier, he signed away his youth

He joined up cos Dad knew best, to do right by his son
And now he hates and counts the dates that mark time on square one
At the age of 17 he did as he was told
Now at the age of 21 tin still won't turn to gold


If at the age of 17 you fall in line too soon
Then at the age of 21 you'll still march to their tune

Tin soldier, you signed away your name
Tin soldier, no chance for cash or fame
Tin soldier, you never see the truth
Tin soldier, you sign away your youth
Tin soldier, you go and join the queue
Tin soldier, do what they want you to
Tin soldier, they take away your name
Tin soldier, they treat you all the same

Sign away your life

Answer: One (by Metallica)

Darkness imprisoning me, all that I see absolute horror I can not live I can not die..??? left me with life in hell....Yeah!!!!

Land mines have taken my arms taken my legs ......taken my soul left me with life in hell.

....taken my sight taken my speech, taken my hearing.....

hold my breath as I wish for death


(been a while since I heard the song so don't know exact lyrics anymore).

On a lighter note

...time keeps on slippen slippen slippen into the future,

feed the babies who don't have enough to eat shoe the children with no shoes on their feet house the people living in the street .....there's a solution.

I want to Fly like an Eagle into the sea fly like an eagle let my spirit carry me...... Steve Miller?


For those about to Rock (or in Iraq) WE SALUTE YOU!!!

Thanks Tomas "Tom" for your
story it sincerely touched my heart, just when I thought I didn't have one anymore...

Oh yeah, next time you feel "jealous" about somebody who can walk, remember they're jealous because you can talk (and very well) :) Stay cool, my friend.

From- Lisa in Phoenix, Arizona

This is a song I wrote during Gulf War I... it's still appropriate.

Thunder's Rumblin'

Don't be frightened
Don't be shy
The time is ripe and
It's drawing nigh
Been long comin'
Steady but slow
The Thunder's Rumblin'
An' I'm ready to go

Dark clouds are hov'rin'
Rain starts to fall
Them Days of suff'rin'
Have come to call
The dice are tumblin'
But don't you know?
The Thunder's Rumblin'
An' I'm ready to go

Well, I've been fighting all my life to loosen up the light but now the noose is tightenin'
Lord save me from my plight
'Cause I don't want no rain of lead down on my head to kill me dead, no!
I want peace instead of hate
Don't tell me it's too late

They may call my number
But I will fly
No time to slumber
No time to die
'Cause the theater's crumblin'
But it ain't my show
The Thunder's Rumblin'
An' I'm ready to go

Well, I won't go to war for no damn whore I know the score and there's too much I can't ignore
Atrocities galore
The time's at hand to take a stand against the band of crimes our gov'ment's planned to instigate
Don't tell me it's too late

Don't be frightened
Don't be shy
The time is ripe and
It's drawing nigh
Been long comin'
Steady but slow
The Thunder's Rumblin'
An' I'm ready to go
The Thunder's Rumblin'
An' I'm ready to go

After viewing Body of war,The courage of Thomas Young,Iam also sufering from illness and could relate to what he is going through with what I suffer through on a daily basis,you are an encouragement to so many Thomas,Don't give up!!My faith in Jesus is what gets me through each day,I pray he will direct and guide you Thomas and give you the strength to carry on.
I will be thinking about you in my suffering daily that Iam not alone,but you and I and others have something special to offer this world through our own experience.
You are a True Overcomer Thomas,and I will be praying also for your special family you have,for continued strength.

Love In Christ,

Oops - I meant the song "New Year's Day" from the album "War". My apologies for the error.

One song that stands out for me is "War", by U2. The band has been traditionally very Christian and very anti-war in its music, but there's something about that song that just cries out to be heard...

Under a blood-red sky,
A crowd has gathered, black and white
Arms entwined, the chosen few
The newspaper says, says
Says it's true, it's true
We can break through
Though torn in two we can be one
I, I will begin again

but at the end...

And so we are told, this is the Golden Age
And gold is the reason for the wars we wage
Though I want to be with you, be with you night and day
Nothing changes on New Year's Day

The last stanza is a challenge, it seems - a challenge to see f we can fulfill the promise of the previous stanza.

"And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda"

written by Eric Bogle in 1972, describes the futility, gruesome reality and the destruction of war, while criticizing those who seek to glorify it.

also David Rovics songs

not put to music but very powerful Kiplings "The Last of the Light Brigade"

I've been unable to find a track list for Body of War, so I apologize if any of the songs I mention are included on it. Some of the best antiwar songs, penned during the current fiasco - & probably since Vietnam, are from The Black Angels 2006 album Passover. They are:

Young Men Dead
The First Vietnamese War
Sniper at the Gates of Heaven
The Iraq War

The entire album is excellent, but I'm unsure if the other songs are antiwar. I can't find the lyrics.

Blowin' in the Wind--the Katie Melua version found on YouTube. It's so good it takes your breath away. She is a terrific musician and I'm sure that most of you do not know of her. You'll love her by the time she is done: url follows:

enjoy and peace

"If I had a rocket launcher" by Bruce cockburn is from the 1980's, but it still sounds relevant...

"If I Had a Rocket Launcher" by Bruce Cockburn is from the 1980's, when we were on the wrong side in Central America...

There should be 3 conditions that must be fulfilled before our country even considers going to war, the most serious undertaking that any nation can comprehend.

1) The Nations life must be existentially and immediately at risk

2) There must be a universal draft so that the burdens of wars are spread equally, no deferments for education, only conscientious objectors who must serve in other ways. After all if the country's life is really at stake then there should be no debate about the need for everyone to sacrafice.

3) We must be willing to destroy the country completely, otherwise we will not win because our opponents will always care and sacrifice more than we will and will outlast us.

Obviously I hope and believe that these criteria will never be met and so we will not go to war again, unless we must.

here are a few to add . . .

Buffalo Springfield, "For What It's Worth"
Bruce Springsteen, "Devils and Dust"
Josh Ritter, "Girl in the War"
Public Enemy, "Son of a Bush"
Jimi Hendrix, "Machine Gun"
Calexico, "All Systems Red"
Black 47, "Downtown Baghdad Blues"

Marvin Gaye, "What's Going On?" Did it for me during Viet Nam and again now.

one of my favorite songs is "your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore" by john prine. You don't hear it very often, but ever since the day after 9/11 it's been one that gets stuck in my head from time to time.

A Perfect Circle version of Joni Mitchell's
"Fiddle and the Drum".
It has the same resonance when Maynard James Keenan sings it now, as it did when Joni sang it almost 40 years ago.

Uh, G.R. Merle Haggard's America First. You know. "Let's get out of Iraq and get back on the track"...

A rather poignant song about WWI, Willie McBride, by a scottish group named Beggar's Row.

bob dylan's "chimes of freedom"

One last addition:

"Last Night Another Soldier" by The Angelic Upstarts

There are so many songs, I have no space to put them all. Here are three of my favorites:

1. Black Sabbath - War Pigs
2. Gil Scott-Heron - Work for Peace
3. Michael Franti & Spearhead - Bomb the World

Mr Moyers,
Watching your interview of Phil Donahue and Ellen Spiro, and watching excerpts from their film was a moving experience for me. Having lived through Vietnam War, and watching the devastation that war brought home, and now seeing history repeating itself all over again.

I have friends who survived Vietnam, but now are cancer survivors from Agent Orange sprayed on them. I watch a dear friend suffer with his battle with PTSD that was never successfully treated. And then the images of Tomas brought this all home again.

It seems like some of this country was happy we were rushed to war in Iraq, but others of us remembered how our country continues to suffer from the wounds of Vietnam. We have improved surgical skills in the battlefield, only to create survivors who bring home brain injuries that exceed their physical deficits.

Sadly, we have a President who doesn't see this. I wonder where that purported Compassionate Conservatism that he bragged to us about has gone now?

My favorite antiwar songs are, "when the president talks to god" by, Bright Eyes. All of their music is great. Of course, I can name many artists that are part of the music protest sub-culture. However, one can not make such a bold statement without mentioning Neil Young. Album, Restless Consumer sums up the message that was sold and bought by the majority of the voting public. We are chasing a fantasy propagated by a monetary measure of success. This philosophy encourages war. Today, I watched the most responsible commentary on "Body of War", on Bill Moyer's Journal. Thank you for telling your story Thomas. Sometimes I am disappointed with Kansas City citizens because all too often I hear them utter the phrase, "I try not to think about it.” Regardless of the subject matter the response is repeated. Thank you for telling your story Thomas. I hope life finds you better, day by day and I pray for the safety of your brother and his quick return home. Long live public television. It is time to think again.

We have at least two:
(1.) When Johnny Comes Marching Home Again"
(2)* "Diamonde" by Zaccarrio and CindyCrawford-beautiful and powerful song

This is from Steve Earle's CD The Revoultion Starts Now:

Rich Man’s War

Jimmy joined the army ‘cause he had no place to go
There ain’t nobody hirin’
‘round here since all the jobs went
down to Mexico
Reckoned that he’d learn himself a trade maybe see the world
Move to the city someday and marry a black haired girl
Somebody somewhere had another plan
Now he’s got a rifle in his hand
Rollin’ into Baghdad wonderin’ how he got this far
Just another poor boy off to fight a rich man’s war

Bobby had an eagle and a flag tattooed on his arm
Red white and blue to the bone when he landed in Kandahar
Left behind a pretty young wife and a baby girl
A stack of overdue bills and went off to save the world
Been a year now and he’s still there
Chasin’ ghosts in the thin dry air
Meanwhile back at home the finance company took his car
Just another poor boy off to fight a rich man’s war

When will we ever learn
When will we ever see
We stand up and take our turn
And keep tellin’ ourselves we’re free

Ali was the second son of a second son
Grew up in Gaza throwing bottles and rocks when the tanks would come
Ain’t nothin’ else to do around here just a game children play
Somethin’ ‘bout livin’ in fear all your life makes you hard that way

He answered when he got the call
Wrapped himself in death and praised Allah
A fat man in a new Mercedes drove him to the door
Just another poor boy off to fight a rich man’s war

And this poem by Wilfred Owen

Dulce Et Decorum Est

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.

GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

There are several songs that spring to mind, like Coven's "One Tin Soldier", Iron Maiden's "The Trooper", and Metallica's "One", but I think the song that works best for me is Motorhead's "1916". Though it's about WWI, it applies to any war.

16 years old when I went to war,
To fight for a land fit for heroes
God on my side,and a gun in my hand,
Counting my days down to zero
And I marched and I fought and I bled
And I died & I never did get any older
But I knew at the time, That a year in the line,
Is a long enough life for a soldier
We all volunteered,
And we wrote down our names,
And we added two years to our ages
Eager for life and ahead of the game,
Ready for history's pages
And we fought and we brawled
And we wh**ed 'til we stood,
Ten thousand shoulder to shoulder
A thirst for the Hun,
We were food for the gun, and that's
What you are when you're soldiers
I heard my friend cry,
And he sank to his knees, coughing blood
As he screamed for his mother
And I fell by his side,
And that's how we died,
Clinging like kids to each other
And I lay in the mud
And the guts and the blood,
And I wept as his body grew colder
And I called for my mother
And she never came,
Though it wasn't my fault
And I wasn't to blame
The day not half over
And ten thousand slain, and now
There's nobody remembers our names
And that's how it is for a soldier.

Tomas, your courage and your mother's strength are heartening, and my mother and I thank you for sharing your experience with us all.

My favorite song is "The Ballad of the Green Berets" by Sgt. Barry Sadler.

This song inspired many of us to join the military to fight the communists.

I also love the song "The Fighting Side of Me" by Merle Haggard.



Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008
From: "James Morris"
Subject: For Ellen Spiro

Dear Ms. Spiro,

I saw Bill Moyers' excellent program last night on PBS and saw your interview included with it. However, I was wondering why your excellent documentary didn't include any comments by Ron Paul who was/is ardently against the Iraq war (and the coming one with Iran) on C-SPAN as well (please access the 'High Tide' youtube at the following URL)?:

I mentioned Ron Paul and the coming war with Iran in my latest C-SPAN 'Washington Journal' viewer call which the following youtube was made from:

McCain, NeoCons, the Israel Lobby Ron Paul Weekly Standard

I also saw Cindy Sheehan introduce Tomas at one of the speaking events in your documentary as I am the same James Morris mentioned (along with Cindy) in the following sidebar piece that was linked in an article by Christopher Hitchens for

Additional at the following URL:

Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain are nothing but hacks for the pro-Israel lobby (AIPAC and similar as conveyed in the Mearsheimer & Walt book - see, but Obama is better than Hillary and Ron Paul is better than them all (see the Justin Raimondo article linked at the top of the following URL if interested):

See the beginning of the following article for more about Obama and what he said against the Mearsheimer/Walt book:

Additional about Mearsheimer/Walt:

John McCain, NeoCons, the Israel Lobby and Weekly Standard (USS Liberty and Ron Paul mentioned):

Here is a tiny URL of the above one:

Be sure to also access both pages of http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREAT.BLOGSPOT.COM (click on the pictures) for my other C-SPAN calls if you would like to.


6 Signs the U.S. May Be Headed for War in Iran (for Israel):

With kindest regards,

James Morris

please post the anti war speeches of the senators on youtube I could not find them. Also post mcains pro war speech if u could. Thanks


As always,
Thank You.

There are only 4 programs that keep me watching TV;
Bill Moyers Journal
NOW with David B.
CSPAN & CBC for some truth.

In response to Jane.

The news that Bill brings to television viewers is not about saying how bad America is. That is a simplistic point of view. Bill is bringing news and viewpoints on what is wrong with our Government, not our country. Governments send people to war, not countries. Governments have agendas. Our government has a corporate agenda, instead of a democratic one.

Please read some history. Read Pat Buchannan's book, A Republic, Not An Empire. He is as Conservative as they come. Yet he believes that our democracy is a fraud, and that our foreign interventions are bringing our country to ruination.

Of course, corporations do not care about that. War profiteering is on the rise. We are in Iraq to secure OIL. 9/11 had nothing to do with freedom haters. Quite the contrary. The SAUDI terrorists that attacked us are from a country which is run by a dictatorship back by our GOVERNMENT (Military -Industrial - Political Complex). We guarantee their security, they guarantee our oil, SAUDI nationals are guaranteed to do what they are told. Al Qaeda simply wants to overthrow the Saudi regime so they can control the OIL. It is about money and power. Meanwhile, U.S. corporations build more arms, bombs, and equipment to supply the GOVERNMENT with a means to wage more war. Corporations reap the profits from the American blood spilled on the battlefield, while soldiers come home in stretchers and boxes.

Who do you think GWB and Cheney will go work for when 2009 arrives? I guarantee you it won't be for any peace organizations. There is no profit in that.

Is it un-American to tell us about these things? Hell No! It is about American as the Constitution and Freedom.

We fought our own Civil War. We bailed Europe out from Hitler and Mussolini. It is time for other countries to get their own act together. We are not the world's police.

Americans need help. We do not need leadership. We need REPRESENTATION. Our needs, concerns, and principles need to be at the top of the GOVERNMENT's responsibility list.

People like Thomas Young deserve to be heard, represented, and cared for. They have made a noble sacrifice.

Peace is Free.
War is Profit.

Freedom is Priceless!

My mistake Delsia it was American Patriot not you sorry

This in response to the post by Delsia. I to research both sides to every problem. I read this document produced by Executive order and find many terrible deeds from the Iraq regime, however I find nothing that doesn't exist in many of the other Middle Eastern countries. If we used the Bush McCain method of dealing with this we would be at war with the entire Middle East. Remember Rice and Powell both were asked before the war if they thought Iraq was a threat and both said no we have a no fly zone and we know every move Saddam makes, he is no threat. As Eisenhower said
"I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it".

And to you Bill Moyer my hats off.

Maybe Moyers,J.Wright and the two movie makers could make a movie about how awful America is. Seems that is all they ever blab about.

Thank You Tomas Young and all our Young Men & Women .Great Show Mr. Moyers , If you think about the Times 2002 ReElection year The Bush Political machine found a issue that would require a " Go to WAR " vote if Politicians wanted to be reElected -Who was behind this " Carl Rove "

David Rovics is a songwriter/singer that has been given great praise by Pete Seeger and Amy Goodman, among many others. You can download his music free from DavidRovics.Com. He is more well-known in Europe than here in US. Pacifica plays his music. Hope you will check him out.

Thank you, Tomas, and your family for sharing your story with us. We needed to hear it. Thanks always to Bill Moyers and special thanks for not giving up, Phil.
Paraphrasing I.F. Stone "You lose and lose and lose and lose again, and then you win." We have got to keep it up and not give up because we don't get our causes acted on when we want them to be. Thank you.

I had the privilege of seeing this fine movie in a preview last Monday at the "Take Back America" conference in DC.

Phil Donahue spoke before and after. He took questions and allowed comments from the audience in his own inimitable style. Phil was/is on fire re this film, it's message and his love for the core values of freedom and justice that are, indeed, at the heart of what's best about America.

I and many of the people present Monday night found ourselves weeping tears of rage at the horror and tragedy of this war; and tears of compassion for the courage and loving righteousness in the face of undeserved suffering that was captured in this transformative movie.

"The Body of War" makes it clear that just feeling bad about what has happened, and what is happening right now....isn't good enough. If we can see "what's goin on"; then we are honor/duty bound to do something.

Thanks to Phil Donahue and Ellen Spiro for bringing Tomas Young and his story to light.

Mr Donahue made it clear last Monday that he would not be taking any financial gains from this movie and that he strongly desired that it have a successful theatrical release. I agree.

I shall go out of my way to see this in the theaters and if it's not playing around here then I'll do whatever I can to encourage a local showing.

If you've appreciated the bits shown on Bill Moyer's Journal; then I hope you'll please join in with me in an effort to attend and to promote this important film. Thank you.

Here's "Masters of War" set to a well done video.

I had the privilege of seeing this fine movie in a preview last Monday at the "Take Back America" conference in DC.

Phil Donahue spoke before and after. He took questions and allowed comments from the audience in his own inimitable style. Phil was/is on fire re this film, it's message and his love for the core values of freedom and justice that are, indeed, at the heart of what's best about America.

I and many of the people present Monday night found ourselves weeping tears of rage at the horror and tragedy of this war; and tears of compassion for the courage and loving righteousness in the face of undeserved suffering that was captured in this transformative movie.

"The Body of War" makes it clear that just feeling bad about what has happened, and what is happening right now....isn't good enough. If we can see "what's goin on"; then we are honor/duty bound to do something.

Thanks to Phil Donahue and Ellen Spiro for bringing Tomas Young and his story to light.

Mr Donahue made it clear last Monday that he would not be taking any financial gains from this movie and that he strongly desired that it have a successful theatrical release. I agree.

I shall go out of my way to see this in the theaters and if it's not playing around here then I'll do whatever I can to encourage a local showing.

If you've appreciated the bits shown on Bill Moyer's Journal; then I hope you'll please join in with me in an effort to attend and to promote this important film. Thank you.

Here's "Masters of War" set to a well done video.

In the Fog of War, Robert McNamara said:

War is so complex that it is beyond the ability of the human mind to comprehend all the variables. Our judgment, our understanding, are not adequate - and we kill people unnecessarily.

War is not the Answer - Marvin Gaye [What's Going On]

Where is the Love? - Black Eyed Peas

The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie: deliberate, continued, and dishonest; but the myth: persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
John F. Kennedy

War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious

objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the

warrior does today.
John F. Kennedy

An old good song is one by Leon Russell, Ballad for a soilder, from Asylum choir

My all-time favorite anti-war song is on a Gordon Lightfoot album. I think it's called The Patriot's Dream. It is a chilling ballad alternating between an up-tempo patriotic call to war and a slow, sad dirge for those who have answered this "call". Thank you for bringing this documentary to our attention.

It's not a song, but there's a powerful and insightful documentary I hope Tomas and others here will check out. It's called VOICES IN WARTIME. There's a 12-minute video preview available online at this address:
I have nothing to do with this film; I saw it a few years ago and thought it was very insightful and it would be helpful to veterans of war.
Tomas--you are awesome. All of our best wishes go out to you.
Phil and Ellen--thank you for your very valuable and superb work. I've watched last night's Bill Moyers show twice and urged friends to watch it, too. I'm looking forward to seeing the entire film this spring.

I trust, Bill, that you've done your homework and read reports like this that show there was a link Iraq/terrorists. You're just an overpaid, anti-war mouthpiece and you're all washed up. Do you homework before you spend another tax dollar of mine on PBS. You really make me sick.

"The Green Fields of France" and "Johnny I Hardly Knew Ya" by the Dropkick Murphys or really by almost anyone. Also, "Stars and Stripes" by Black 47. Black 47 just came out with a CD titled "Iraq". Awesome!
And there's the classic, "Fortunate Son" by Creedence Clearwater Revival, PPM's "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?" and for fun, Country Joe and the Fish's "I Feel Like I'm Fixin' to Die Rag".
Thanks for your huge sacrifice. You are making a difference in many, many lives.

James McMurtry's 2004 song We Can't Make It Here is a song about the war and Bush's America.

Vietnam Vet with a cardboard sign
Sitting there by the left turn line
Flag on the wheelchair flapping in the breeze
One leg missing, both hands free
No one's paying much mind to him
The V.A. budget's stretched so thin
And there's more comin' home from the Mideast war
We can't make it here anymore

That big ol' building was the textile mill
It fed our kids and it paid our bills
But they turned us out and they closed the doors
We can't make it here anymore

See all those pallets piled up on the loading dock
They're just gonna set there till they rot
'Cause there's nothing to ship, nothing to pack
Just busted concrete and rusted tracks
Empty storefronts around the square
There's a needle in the gutter and glass everywhere
You don't come down here 'less you're looking to score
We can't make it here anymore

The bar's still open but man it's slow
The tip jar's light and the register's low
The bartender don't have much to say
The regular crowd gets thinner each day

Some have maxed out all their credit cards
Some are working two jobs and living in cars
Minimum wage won't pay for a roof, won't pay for a drink
If you gotta have proof just try it yourself Mr. CEO
See how far 5.15 an hour will go
Take a part time job at one of your stores
Bet you can't make it here anymore

High school girl with a bourgeois dream
Just like the pictures in the magazine
She found on the floor of the laundromat
A woman with kids can forget all that
If she comes up pregnant what'll she do
Forget the career, forget about school
Can she live on faith? live on hope?
High on Jesus or hooked on dope
When it's way too late to just say no
You can't make it here anymore

Now I'm stocking shirts in the Wal-Mart store
Just like the ones we made before
'Cept this one came from Singapore
I guess we can't make it here anymore

Should I hate a people for the shade of their skin
Or the shape of their eyes or the shape I'm in
Should I hate 'em for having our jobs today
No I hate the men sent the jobs away
I can see them all now, they haunt my dreams
All lily white and squeaky clean
They've never known want, they'll never know need
Their sh@# don't stink and their kids won't bleed
Their kids won't bleed in the da$% little war
And we can't make it here anymore

Will work for food
Will die for oil
Will kill for power and to us the spoils
The billionaires get to pay less tax
The working poor get to fall through the cracks
Let 'em eat jellybeans let 'em eat cake
Let 'em eat sh$%, whatever it takes
They can join the Air Force, or join the Corps
If they can't make it here anymore

And that's how it is
That's what we got
If the president wants to admit it or not
You can read it in the paper
Read it on the wall
Hear it on the wind
If you're listening at all
Get out of that limo
Look us in the eye
Call us on the cell phone
Tell us all why

In Dayton, Ohio
Or Portland, Maine
Or a cotton gin out on the great high plains
That's done closed down along with the school
And the hospital and the swimming pool
Dust devils dance in the noonday heat
There's rats in the alley
And trash in the street
Gang graffiti on a boxcar door
We can't make it here anymore

The best song is God Bless America

THANKS for the excellent episode regarding Body of War. Thank you for highlighting and naming what is going on in Iraq. Donahue is right on target about the media's santization of the Iraq war. I'm encouraging everyone I know to go see the movie when it is released. Kudos to Tomas for his courage and eloquence - and to his family.

"Eve of Destruction." There are also a few fairly recent ones by Steve Earle.

I want to say "Masters of War" by Bob Dylan is the most relevant song today.

I also want to cite my friend Eric Sheptock's song "Bush has gotta go" now a year old, available on YouTube:

"Bush has gotta go
we've got to get him out
and that's the way it's gotta be

And if we don't act it's a fact he's gonna lead us into World War Three

Bush is such a rotten liar
And conquest is his only dream, along with Condaleeza and Chertoff and his whole regime

Bush has gotta go ... [and many more stanzas]


You are a courageous man for telling your story. It is no wonder that people are touched by you and want to touch you in return.

My favorite war song is "Dogs of War," written by David Gilmour and Roger Waters of Pink Floyd. Here are the lyrics. Even though it was written in 1987, it can be applied to Bush and the neocons today:

Dogs of war and men of hate
With no cause, we don't discriminate
Discovery is to be disowned
Our currency is flesh and bone
Hell opened up and put on sale
Gather 'round and haggle
For hard cash, we will lie and deceive
Even our masters don't know the web we weave
One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world
Invisible transfers, long distance calls,
Hollow laughter in marble halls
Steps have been taken, a silent uproar
Has unleashed the dogs of war
You can't stop what has begun
Signed, sealed, they deliver oblivion
We all have a dark side, to say the least
And dealing in death is the nature of the beast
One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world
The dogs of war don't negotiate
The dogs of war won't capitulate,
They will take and you will give,
And you must die so that they may live
You can knock at any door,
But wherever you go, you know they've been there before
Well winners can lose and things can get strained
But whatever you change, you know the dogs remain.
One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world

I wrote this song in 1986 when I was going to the Soviet Union with a group of American children, sponsored by "Children as Teachers of Peace." They performed it for Russian children and adults and it has been recorded on two albums since.

"Let's be teachers of peace.
Let's learn how to release
all the years of fear and pain
when we played the game of blame.

Let's be teachers of joy!
Let's learn how to employ
all the choices that are ours
to laugh and sing and share our powers.

Our power to give and to forgive,
Our power to live and to let live.
Our power to think, to feel, and grow,
Our power to heal and truth to know.

Let's be teachers of love
have heaven here and above
with freedom and justice for everyone
and no more wars lost or won.

Let's be teachers of peace."

To the eloquent teachers of peace on
this and other segments of Bill Moyer's
Journal, but especially for Tomas Young.

I wish you peace.......Breeze Bryson

The song "Fortunate Son" by Creedance Clearwater Revival always comes to my mind as one of the greatest protest songs. I wonder sometimes if the fortunate sons and daughters who do not serve in our military appreciate the service, sacrifices of life, body and mind of our men and women who currently serve or have served in any war.

I was a little kid during Vietnam, growing up in an area loaded with Nam vets and I distinctly remember hearing "Purple People Eater" covered by the chipmunks. Years later I discovered that it takes a pretty sick sense of humor to get through certain things.

Not a song, but a poem, prayer within a short story of a few hundred words. The War Prayer, Mark Twain.

I also wrote a song for our troops called "Amazed by You". Please listen.


I'm happy that someone mentioned Universal Soldier (lyrics below) as this song implicates ALL of us--as we pay for this horror and allow it to happen. Thank you, Phil and Ellen, for this excellent project, and Bill, for spreading the word.

The Universal Soldier (Buffy St. Marie)
He's five feet two and he's six feet four
He fights with missiles and with spears
He's all of 31 and he's only 17
He's been a soldier for a thousand years

He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an atheist, a Jain,
a Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew
and he knows he shouldn't kill
and he knows he always will
kill you for me my friend and me for you

And he's fighting for Canada,
he's fighting for France,
he's fighting for the USA,
and he's fighting for the Russians
and he's fighting for Japan,
and he thinks we'll put an end to war this way

And he's fighting for Democracy
and fighting for the Reds
He says it's for the peace of all
He's the one who must decide
who's to live and who's to die
and he never sees the writing on the walls

But without him how would Hitler have
condemned him at Dachau
Without him Caesar would have stood alone
He's the one who gives his body
as a weapon to a war
and without him all this killing can't go on

He's the universal soldier and he
really is to blame
His orders come from far away no more
They come from him, and you, and me
and brothers can't you see
this is not the way we put an end to war.

I agree Jeff.

We should have read this during World War II and never been involved in a European war.

Mark Twain's "The War Prayer" is also very powerful.

Steppenwolf - Monster

Once the religious, the hunted and weary
Chasing the promise of freedom and hope
Came to this country to build a new vision
Far from the reaches of kingdom and pope
Like good Christians, some would burn the witches
Later some got slaves to gather riches

But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light

And once the ties with the crown had been broken
Westward in saddle and wagon it went
And 'til the railroad linked ocean to ocean
Many the lives which had come to an end
While we bullied, stole and bought our a homeland
We began the slaughter of the red man

But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light

The blue and grey they stomped it
They kicked it just like a dog
And when the war over
They stuffed it just like a hog

And though the past has it's share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But it's protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it's a monster and will not obey

The spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seem generous and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind
'Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
And now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told
Yeah, there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin'

Our cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watching

America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster

I watched Body of War last night...sort of stumbled on it, and was very moved.
I want to add Ed McCurdy's great song:
Last night I had the strangest dream
I'd ever dreamed before
I dreamed the world had all agreed
to put an end to war.

'For What It's Worth' Buffalo Springfield,
'Blowin in the Wind' Bob Dylan,
'No Bravery' James Blunt
'Imagine' John Lennon,
'Deja Vu' Fogerty

I agree with many of the writers, "What's Goin' On?", "War", "Imagine", by far, has the greatest emotional impact on me each and every time I hear it.
I would like to introduce you to two anti-war songs our group, UpSurge, created: "Operation Homefront" (we first perfomed this one at an Oakland rally Oct. 2001 in support of our then embattled Congresswoman Barbara Lee who was the lone voice in congress courageous enough to say "No!") The other song is "The Game" it can be heard at While these early songs of ours are certainly not the caliber of the classics I deferred to above, we're proud to put our voices on record to answer loud and clear the question "Which Side Are You On?"

Bill, Your program on March 20th, 2008 on Tomas Young was dynamite. Keep em coming You are one of our major voices. Thank you for being there and exposing the hypocrisy and the truth about this administration and some in corporate media. Thank you to Phil Donohue and Ellen Spiro, and all my blessings and love to Tomas Young.

Last night, Bill Moyers featured Phil Donahue and
Ellen Spiro and their new film, Body of War, due out
next month.

The film focuses on disabled Iraq war veteran Tomas

While I am always happy to see people wake up to the
evil of this war, the show raised several questions
for me.

As Moyers mentioned the "over 2,000 deaths and 20,000
injuries" he was referring only to American
casualties. Don't Iraqis count?

While we can sympathize with the plight of the young
Tomas, do we always have to portray these veterans as
victims, as if they did not play a central part in
this travesty? Didn't the Nurenburg Trials establish
that no one is innocent, that taking orders is no
excuse in war crimes?

The Iraqis did not ask for this war, we did. They were
not the aggressors, neither was Hussein, we were. They
did not invade us, we invaded them.

We see that same moral ambiguity in the New Yorker's
recent article on Abu Ghraib. I quote:

"The low-ranking reservist soldiers who took and
appeared in the infamous images were singled out for
opprobrium and punishment; they were represented, in
government reports, in the press, and before
courts-martial, as rogues who acted out of depravity.
Yet the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib was de facto
United States policy. The authorization of torture and
decriminalization of cruel, inhuman, and degrading
treatment of captives in wartime have been among the
defining legacies of the current Administration..."

Huh? The central actors played no part in this scene?

According to the report, the reservists began taking
pictures to show superiors what was going on. They had
some idea that things were not right: "And by taking
pictures of the prisoners on the M.I. block, the M.P.s
demonstrated two things: that they never fully
accepted what was happening as moral, and that they
assumed they had nothing to hide."

What moral abyss do we live in that we cannot see evil
staring right at us? What moral preparation do we and
our churches give young people that "they assumed they
had nothing to hide," that following orders absolved
them from complicity in these gross crimes?

We see the ancient mythology of war at work here: that
soldiers (ours and theirs) have no rights and no
obligations (other than following orders), that the
lives of soldiers (ours and theirs) are worth less than the lives of
civilians, and that our lives are worth more than those of our

It is time to disenthrall ourselves of these myths,
and, as Lincoln said, to think anew and act anew. It
is time we started thinking of soldiers as human
beings, responsible for their actions like everyone

William H. DuBay
126 E. 18th St. Apt. C204
Costa Mesa, CA 92627
949 631 3309

T.S. Eliot's "Four Quartets" is my absolute favorite antiwar music - if the pbs discussion boards are restored I'll be there discussing these poems with a bunch of friends. Here is the verse I find most appropriate to what Tomas Young was saying at the beginning of Friday night's program, when it was indeed Good Friday:

The dripping blood our only drink,

The bloody flesh our only food:

In spite of which we like to think

That we are sound, substantial flesh and blood -

Again, in spite of that, we call this Friday good.

I have a fair number of favorite anti war songs, top of the list, is Peace Train, and the revised version is great. But to leave out "Give Peace a Chance" would be a serious oversight.

Next week, can we talk about what to do with those awful and disgusting Phelps Klan members from the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka? PLease?

I'm all for free speech, but if you DON'T think these folks need to be "spanked" in some manner, then you haven't visited their website.

When I see these insane people on the TV, I'm ashamed to be from Kansas!

An old Irish song: "Johnny I Hardly Knew Ye"

A lot of us have been against this disgraceful war since the beginning.
I never believed that a ‘coup d’etat’ could occur here in America, but sadly it has.

Watching Bill Moyer’s piece on Thomas Young brought to the surface again the frustration and contempt I have for those who led us down this path.

I’m reminded of the song - “The End of the Innocence” by Bruce Hornsby and Don Henley
where they write;

Armchair warriors often fail
weve been poisoned by these fairy tales
The lawyers clean up all details
Since daddy had to lie

And the administration’s lying to CYA continues to this day.

In order to deal with this myself, I had written a song a while back.
This seemed to be my way of coping with the insanity of it all.
After some urging by friends, I recorded it and recently posted it to YouTube.

Beating A Drum
Words & Music 2006 by Frank Boross

The time has come there’s a clarion call
to dispel all the wicked lies we’ve been sold
mushroom clouds, aluminum tubes
axis of evil, Armageddon looms
Will you take up the call son?....Beating a drum...

Church bells chime as the faithful are called
fear is worshipped, while humanity is mauled
We sing hail Mary, full of grace
as smart bombs fall and detonate
Do you pray for the dead?... Beating a drum...

No welcome is given the voice of reason
dissenters are criminal, accused of treason
poets of peace find only deaf ears
protectors of truth sit and cower in fear
Be afraid of the man son...Beating a drum...

Can you hear the cries of a child screaming
as his body flesh burns, the flames searing
does your Jesus approve of the job you do
and endorse the path, that you pursue?
Does He march with you... Beating a drum...?

The piper insists we stay the course
more blood and treasure with no remorse
no bid contracts and little white lies
we know, Saddam has al-qaida ties...?
Blindly follow me without question
I’m the decider, I make decisions
We’re turning a corner, mission accomplished
endless wars until the terror is vanquished…
Will you go the distance...Beating a drum...

Wrapped in a flag of red white and blue
even a child’s eyes can see-through
grand deception driven by greed
evil intent, hellbent to succeed
Do you play with the devil, Beating a drum...

As the war architects try to slip away
to be cast in the spotlight come judgement day
can the masters of fear deny their roles
and face the judgement of God for their burning souls....
Will the truth be exposed?...Beating a drum...

As warmly touched as I was by the footage of parents of fallen soldiers reaching out to touch Tomas Young; I was conversely disgusted seeing Bush make jokes of looking under his desk for weapons of mass destruction and laughing while our children are dying in an unnecessary war of choice. How heartless, disconnected and classist can he be ???

I have NEVER before been more moved than by the footage from the documentary "Body Of War" of Tomas Young speaking with parents of fallen soldiers at war protests and their reaching out to touch him, gently, lovingly caress his cheek, cup his chin or take his hand; while Phil spoke of both parties understanding it to be a way of touching their own loved ones. Extremely Powerful !!! Thanks for touching ME

Where Have All the Flowers Gone. Feel Like I'm Fixin' to Die Rag. War Pigs. Will be looking for the film. Thanks to all.

"Handsome Johnny" by Mr. Richie Havens is my personal fav. A military without responsible leadership is always tragic. There are not enough words to describe or comprehend the incompetence and scarier still, the indifference, of the Bush Administration.
It is a shame they still get to speak as the world listens.

Fogerty. Deja Vu, Fortunate Son, Long Dark Night. Springsteen's Last to Die.

Bill, great show as usual - you are the only one who deals with what we need to be seeing now. Thank you! Was so good to see Phil Donahue again, too. I used to watch him every day...BUT you have to change the format of this post. Looks like the post is by the person above the one actually doing the posting!! Very unnerving when I read something by someone I know and it is totally off character. Please put the line below the name - not above it so it looks like the person above did the writing -PLEASE!

This was posted by a guy named Tedvelvet on U tube. The song is "Once I was" by Tim Buckley. It is worth listening to and the video is moving Thanks Ted

This was posted by a guy named Tedvelvet on U tube. The song is "Once I was" by Tim Buckley. It is worth listening to and the video is moving Thanks Ted

Why is the BODY of WAR not available on DVD?

This was a very moving, touching story. I work with part of the Tricare management of what used to be Champus, and I hear many stories like this and more as I work on the psych side. So many losing heart. My favorite song was from Hair, when Claude is drafted -- song starts with "Walking proudly, in our winter coats, wearing smells from laboratories, facing a dying nation -- a moving paper fantasy, listening to the new-told lies with supreme visions of lovely tunes" -- and crescendoes to claude's "I believe in God and I believe that God believes in Claude -- that's ME THAT'S ME!!" I find most of the meaningful songs from the 60's are just as clear now as they were then. But it is different now. Then it felt like there really was a new world coming. Now I feel the world is crumbling, that there is a huge fall about to happen, and I don't know what that will be like. Thank you Bill and Donahue for being willing to have programs to tell the truth, even tho both were deepsixed. It is great to hear it come again. Could you interview each of the candidates? Your manner of interview would be great

John Lennon's "Instant Kharma", "Imagine" and "Working Class Hero" are powerful amulets to wield when facing the destructive forces brought about by the political brigands busy in the business of death, mayhem and war

Dylan and Ochs: harbingers of war's evil nature. The son of a Naval fighter pilot and a 16 year old anti-war protester in 1969 I was guided to the haunting record, Joan Baez' "Baptism: A Journey Through Our Time." I listened to stuff like this before sneaking out to the Moratorium and Viet Vets Against the War demonstrations on the streets of our nation's illustrious capital. A couple of selections follow. Thanks Joanie!

A poetic interpretation of Picasso's painting of the same title:

IN GUERNICA -- Norman Rosten [1914-1995]

In Guernica the dead children were laid out in order upon the sidewalk,
in their white starched dresses, in their pitiful white dresses.

On their foreheads and breasts are the little holes where death came in as thunder,
while they were playing their important summer games.

Do not weep for them, madre.
They are gone forever, the little ones,
straight to heaven to the saints,
and God will fill the bullet holes with candy.

SONG IN THE BLOOD -Jacques Prevert, translated by Lawrence Ferlinghetti

there are great puddles of blood on the world
where is it all going? all this spilled blood?
is it the earth that drinks it and gets drunk?
funny kind of drunkography then,
so wise,
so monotonous,
the earth doesn’t get drunk
the earth doesn’t turn askew
it pushes its little car regularly, it’s four seasons,
rain, snow, hail, fair weather,
never is it drunk
it’s with difficulty it permits itself from time to time
an unhappy little volcano
it turns,
the earth,
it turns with its trees, its gardens, its houses
it turns with its great pools of blood
and all living things turn with it and bleed

it doesn’t give a damn the earth
it turns
and all living things set up a howl,
it doesn’t give a damn,
it turns
it doesn’t stop turning
and the blood doesn’t stop running

where’s is it going
all this spilled blood?
murder’s blood, war’s blood,
misery’s blood, and the blood of men tortured in prisons,
and the blood of children calmly tortured by their papa and their mama
and the blood of men whose heads bleed in padded cells
and the roofers blood if the roofer slips and falls from the roof
and the blood that comes and flows and gushes with the newborn
the mother cries,
the baby cries,
the blood flows
the earth turns
the earth doesn’t stop turning,
the blood doesn’t stop flowing

where’s it going all this spilled blood?
blood of the blackjacked,
of the humiliated,
of the suicides
of firing squad victims
of the condemned
and the blood of those that die
just like that
by accident

in the street a living being goes by with all his blood inside
suddenly there he is,
and all his blood outside
and other living beings make the blood disappear
they carry the body away
but it’s stubborn blood
and there where the dead one was, much later
all black
a little blood still stretches
coagulated blood, life’s rust, body’s rust
blood curdled like milk, like milk when it turns, when it turns like the earth like the earth
it turns with its milk, with its cows,
with its living, with its dead,
the earth that turns with its trees, with it’s living beings, with its houses
the earth that turns with marriages, burials,
shells, regiments, the earth that turns and turns and turns
with its great streams of blood.

Not on the record but pivotal in developing my anti-war nature when my family and I were stationed in Japan with Daddy-o while he was making war in Vietnam (1966-69).

DULCE ET DECORUM EST -- Wilfred Owen [1893-1918]

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!
An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime.-
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smoldering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin,
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs
Bitten as the cud Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
- My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie:
Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

(loose translation from the Latin: "It is fitting and good to die for your country (Fatherland)."

While in Japan, I went to Camp Zama Middle School, an Army run school for military dependents. Oddly enough the previous poem, and many others like it, were revealed to us in Zama by the teachers who were mostly teaching us to just to be able to dodge the draft. What a fitting way to fight the system; turn the children of the warmakers to face the horrors their fathers face on a daily basis. Their lessons have had a profound effect which reverberates in my life to this day.

Fight bravely on Tomas Young! You are a true hero. May your sense of humor carry you like a burro into the craggy yet breathtakingly beautiful heights of the spiritual Andes. May your family enjoy the blessings of tranquility, cooperation and safety.

Phil Donahue, Like you, I felt isolated yet shouting that this war was wrong from it's very first "drumbeat!" Aware that the enemies of social balance were setting the stage when Nixon was thrown out Systematically unravel the educational system and make what's left out of reach for anyone but the priveleged. Sink the government with lead debt.. Bring in a bafoon who is the son of a bafoon to engage the Oval Office in a ploy for power and plan for massive wealth redistribution through war, chaos and lawlessness. While Congress not only sits on their hands but actively slithers out of more and more Constitutional duties, allowing the Court to literally steal the Presidency and hand it to a psycho. Then the same Congress allows this weasel to engage this country in an illegal and ruinous war. Like carrion, they feed upon the carcass of our children's glorious future. In the name of family values, indeed.

I look forward to view your collaboration with Ellen Spiro and Tomas, BODY OF WAR.

Bravo Mr. Moyers, You are a beacon in the bleak bleak night. We are weary and beginning to doubt. Obama may be a shaft of light. Thank you for your fight!

-March 22, Los Angeles

Okay - Here's my last posting for the night. A couple more songs that pop into my mind, which I don't think have been mentioned yet on this blog:
The War Has Been Coming Home and If Jimmy Didn't Have to Go by Charlie King at
Sweet Survivor by Peter Yarrow, Barry Mann & Cynthia Weil at - this is a peace song that encourages us to keep the faith and have hope. Could we use some of that or what!
Of course, the songs by Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan, and the amazing crowd of 60s songwriters are still very powerful and depressingly relevant. I appreciate them very much, and I'm also very glad to have this opportunity to introduce some songs many folks haven't yet heard. Peace, y'all!

I know, and am eternally grateful.

I think "there by the grace of God go I" -- if I had a lobotomy.

In this low and fearful time, along comes Tomas Young's and his mother's courage, passion, and truth-telling, along with Robert Byrd and some of his congressional peers in their refusal to go along, yet again, down the path of war in this moving documentary.
Music is part of what got us through so many of the Vietnam years, so Tomas, you've chosen a good place to put your energies. Antiwar sentiment and hard times can be expressed melodically by Buffalo Springfield's "For What It's Worth" and Bob Marley's "Redemption Song" or forcefully by Gil Scott-Heron in "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" and Jimi Hendrix's "National Anthem," but it is all summed up, somehow, in SEEING, not just listening, to Eddie Vedder on YouTube doing "Masters of War" live at Bob Dylan's 30th Anniversary. Thank you Bill Moyers, Ellen Spiro, and Phil Donohue.
Blessings, and continued healing and strength, Tomas.

Another song - Ethan Miller's and Kate Boverman's "When the Bodybags Come Home" is a beautiful yet hard-hitting story song. You can find it on their website at We've got a music video version up at And then there's Emma's Revolution's now-classic "Peace, Salaam, Shalom". So many great songs!

Oh my dear Roguewarrior,

Thanks for showing your true colors. Your lofty perch must get lonely, since you seem to believe you are the only one here with the correct answers. I take no sides, I vote for no party and I could care less about Pelosi, Maher or any of the rest you name. I think for myself.

I showed you respect when you deserved it. You deserve only contempt now. Have a good evening and enjoy your self-absorbed little world.

Attacking people, as you do, then expecting them to listen to you seldom works, but I doubt you care about that little fact. You live for the sound of your own voice..or the reading of your own know, like Maher does. :)

Oh, and btw..your no Bill Maher or Al Franken either..but you know that right?

This looks like a very powerful collection of antiwar songs.
I'm a singer-songwriter who has been protesting the Iraq invasion before it began. I invite you to see my antiwar music video "Please Don't Call It Theater When You're Talking About War" at
I also have some peace songs at including Fear, Potlucks for Peace, The Left Hand of God (inspired by Michael Lerner's book), Be Peace, and my little Department of Peace bopping song.
I've been doing a lot of spiritual work since this war began, and I think it's important to note that promoting peace may be more powerful than protesting war. I'm no authority, but I've heard that if you give the universe the message "no war" it only hears "war". It doesn't recognize the "no" part. What you resist persists in the unconscious mind. What you focus on and devote energy to grows. But if you say "peace" the universe will hear "peace". How can we end war without really knowing peace in our hearts and minds? I'm working on that one a lot.
Mr. Donohue was right - where is the truth? My friend Karen Brooks wrote a beautiful song called "Truth", which I recorded with some other peace songs on my CD "Seeking Sanctuary" which is available at and at CD Baby.
I sang at a fabulous peace rally two weeks ago in D.C. organized by Christian Peace Witness for Iraq and its Olive Branch Interfaith Partners. It was a totally peaceful and respectful event. After the rally, about 50 of us sang softly in the Hart Senate Building - This Little Light of Mine, We Shall Overome, songs like that. The acoustics in there were great! It's the first rally I've participated in where I felt we actually were heard by some of the people that need to hear us - those who sit in their comfy offices and send our kids to get blown apart. Where are the consciences, where is the human decency in so many of our 'representatives'?
With gratitude to Tomas and his mother, Ellen, Phil, Bill Moyers for his unceasing integrity, and so many people who have spoken out against this illegal and immoral war.
In Peace, Shar

I link to my blog when there are links inside the post that provide perspective.

I "talk down" to others as they have talked about Bush for 4 years...using satire.
Bill Maher and AlFranken for using that defense for their words, I guess it will work for me too.

Reid, Pelosi, Moyers, et al deserve every bit of venom that can be spewed BACK at them. They used polemical soliloquies as a method toward more personal power.

For you call that tactic "unfair" or "lacking character" is a bit hypocritical of your side of this debate.

Had your side argued with reason and good manners they would not be getting pwned on an ever-increasing number of blogs like mine.

(yes, pwned is the correct word -- Google it -- while you're there Google "fiah cain't melt stihl" or "Gulf of Tonkin")

Roguewarrior, the fact that you talk down to anyone that doesn't believe as you do says enough to me about your character. You assume I know nothing and are motivated solely by emotional issues.

And the fact that you keep linking to your own blog posts shows how shallow you are.

For you to assume I do not know 'the facts' as you lay them out is a bad assumption on your part sir. I still choose to believe the Iraq War is about Oil, the beliefs of the PNAC crowd and not worth the financial costs our nation will endure for decades. I also think it has undermined our military, the way it has stretched our military by overusing and abusing it.

Two or three tours of duty is not uncommon, but it is ridiculous and harmful to the soldiers that must endure them.

The human costs that a small percentage of our population in general has paid should be shared by the entire population in the form of a draft if this war is so damn honorable.

Actually Ian, I've been saying that for 4 years, 11 months and one week.
Tommy Franks used a marvelous strategy of drawing the Fedayeen Saddam out of the major cities and killing them on the plains.

During those battles we were hampered and delayed only by the constant alerts for chemical and biological weapons. We had to stop, put our gear on, wait for the all clear and then proceed. Not the easiest way to fight.

What followed was widespread peace.

Then, Paul Bremer made the "brilliant" move of firing the entire Iraqi Army and the Baathists. This was during the rebuilding phase of the operation but certainly not during combat. If you want to blame Bush for Bremer's mistake, I can buy that argument. Major Blunder and any good Contingency War Planner (my role in the Kosovo Air War) would have told him not to do it. Imagine for a moment that the mighty Fwench Army invaded the US and put you out of work. With no way to feed your family and no prospects for the future how would you react?

"Two Hangmen" by Mason Profitt is a great song. For the military vets who posted: thank you for your service. I have a 50% disability rating because of combat injuries in 'Nam, and want no one to go through that. The pro-war military are not a surprise: fishermen want to fish, bankers want to give loans, military want to go to war.

John Denver's "Let Us Begin" that was written regarding the "Cold War" and asks the questions of the Soviets and the Americans "What are we making weapons for? and Have we forgotten all the lives that were given, all the vows that were taken, saying "Never again, never again!"

Phil Donahue and Bill Moyers
have long been my heroes.
Now, I add another two to my list and they are Elaine Spiro and Tomas Young.

Thank you for all you have
done and continue to do to
improve the condition of our

Also John Denver's "Peace Song."

That's the latest crap the pro-war crowd likes to tout: "the war ended in three weeks". If that was the case and you think it sufficient justification to invade then, perhaps, you should begin your studies all over again or be prepared to tell the families of several thousand servicemen that there relatives were killed and wounded by semantics. Give it a rest.

POV's are subjective. What I write about are facts. Even if you buy into the postmodernist or Marxist meme that reason cannot be trusted, you cannot refute the facts at the time of the decision.

Saddam did not think we would invade and so made everyone believe he had WMDs to keep Iran at bay. We know this as fact from his interrogation after capture.
Ergo WMD Issue Answered.

Bush explicitly stated Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 but that Saddam did have contacts within Al Qaeda.
Proven by BBC accounts in 2002 (Before invasion)

Links to all accounts of this information has been on my blog for years and was recently restated given the proximity of the General Election. Why don't you know these facts -- because Moyers and his colleagues have no interest in showing them to you. They were anti-war from the beginning and feel the can only validate their collective opinions through omission. Truly a new brand of journalistic ethics.

Feel whatever you want to feel, but wouldn't you rather believe in facts?

The difference sir, only colors the way you view the war and its carnage.

It doesn't make your pov superior to any one else's pov.

Dusty and Ian,

To Dusty first: Likewise. The difference is, I was in the military at a high enough rank to see the actual intelligence reports. I know what they are not telling you.. and it is volumes!!!

To Ian: I teach Political Science, critical thinking, and Police Science in a university. You opinion that understanding the reasons for this war is somehow "blind" is laughable. We won the war in three weeks. It was Paul Bremer that completely and utterly failed to follow the advice of war planners that led to the insurgency. Do you remember Americans and Iraqis tearing down the statue of Saddam or can you not think back that far?
Perhaps this will help: Critical Analysis

I found deep inspiration in a list of music I compiled in 2006 for a local Freedom Festival held on Vashon Island, Washington. It includes four music categories: anti-war, civil rights, political themes of the progressive persuasion, and union and labor. Find it here.

unfortunately i only caught the end of the program, but one of the most potent messages in it for me is how disconnected the people who started the war are from the ones like Tomas who are actually going to Iraq to do the fighting - so "Fortunate Son" has always been a favorite. i'd also like to add the following:

dire straits "brothers in arms" is another favorite, its so simple but so emotional
the cranberries "war child"
i'm glad someone mentioned Phil Ochs' "i ain't marching anymore" but anything by him is good
bad religion has several good songs - one of my favorites is "let them eat war"
also josh ritter "girl in the war"
sinead o'connor "drink before the war"

rogue warrior:
Given the plethora of blind right-thinking pro-war discussion forums out there (start at, I have to wonder why you'd even bother to watch Bill Moyers and PBS. Was it on the TV in some bar you just happened to frequent or what?
I find it interesting how you discount the opinion of anyone who hasn't served as if they don't live in a democracy; have no right to express their opinion and count for nothing. Well, I guess that's not entirely true. Bush, Cheney, et al never served and you bought what they were selling.
You say "Moyers coverage of the war is yet another piece of propaganda set to convince you that all parts of this war were wrong." All he did was show clips of a film and interview the producers. Would you think it more fair and balanced if he had accused them of treason?
I realize you have an opinion of what it means to be a patriot and that it's un-American to question the war. Yet, I'm sure much to your chagrin, many feel they not only have the right but have an obligation to examine the reasons for sending young men and women into harm's way.
By the way, I was against the war from the beginning for many of the reasons that have come to pass. I came to my conclusions because I had studied political science, military and political history and economics and was up-to-date on current events. To me the choice was brain-dead obvious. It's true that 70% of Americans supported the war but that's more of a reflection of their failure to educate and inform themselves sufficiently to avoid reeeally stupid ideas such as volunteering for a second front by preemptively invading a Muslim version of the Balkans/Vietnam. Only my opinion but all parts of this war were wrong.

My favorite anti-war song is Amazing Grace. Blessings to you, Thomas and to everyone.

I would like to remind the Roguewarrior of a quote from Teddy Roosevelt:

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

Your time in service is to be commended Rogue, but you do not have a lock on what is right or wrong based on that service sir.

This was one of the most moving and honest Journals I have seen. Bravo to Phil Donahue for his courage in producing this film. As a child of the sixties, I agree with just about all the songs that are selected by other viewers, and I am sure we all have forgotten some. But, let's not overlook some very powerful politically themed songs by Megadeth (Dave Mustaine)- the eerily prophetic "Holy Wars...the Punishment Due," and "Take No Prisoners," with its cruelly accurate lyrics: "Your body has parts your country can spare; By the way son, here's your wheelchair."

In 2004 I wrote, and, in 2005, recorded, a protest song called "America the Blues." You can hear it at

The voice of war is guitar legend Nels Cline (Wilco), the bassist is John B. Williams (Manhattan Transfer), and the woman speaking the second and third verses is John B.'s wife, soul singer Jessica Williams. The man speaking on the first verse is actor/singer Jody Ashworth. Plus there's a cast of thousands, including a powwow and a humpback whale.

Here are the lyrics:

America, the beautiful,
You’re thorny as a rose:
Radiation, global warming
Poisoned food from GMOs.
Your poor die sick and hungry,
And your wealthy live tax-free,
While they murder ancient forests
The soil and the sea.
America, America,
Greed sheds disgrace on thee.
Vote corporations out of power;
Revive democracy
For future generations
And human decency.
America, don’t blow it
All to smithereens.
You don’t need nukes; you don’t need slaves,
And you don’t need gasoline.
What you do need is compassion,
And respect for human rights,
Permaculture, sustainable systems,
Mediation instead of fights.
America, don’t wave that flag
To con us with your jive.
If the multi-nationals have their way
Even rich folks won’t survive.
We’re all family here on this planet,
So lay down that smoking gun,
And start sharing with your neighbors;
There’s enough for everyone.
I pledge allegiance to the earth
In the myriad stars of the universe
And to all the beings who upon her stand
One family, indivisible,
With liberty and justice for all.
America, America,
Greed sheds disgrace on thee.
Vote corporations out of power,
Revive democracy
For future generations
And human decency.
Don’t wave that flag at me;
Try human decency.

Richard Thompson's "Dad's Gonna Kill Me" is a haunting tune. I used it for a video I did on YouTube. Dad is of course short for Baghdad.

Thank you for a moving show Mr. Moyers and a heartfelt Thank You to Tomas, Ms. Spiro and Mr. Donohue for a moving, wonderful documentary that shows the human cost of George Bush's war.

Really Jeffrey Findeis,
Is that the new Internet "nazi", or a cue to censor others?

Check my blog through Technorati, I've been around for quite some time and never posted here before.

Watching that transparent and shallow accounting by Moyers motivated me to visit.
Anytime you want to compare military service or knowledge of military affairs, look me up on MY blog. I ain't hard to find.

i nominate: A Simple Song Of Freedom by Bobby Darin.

i am a retired navy vet. i proudly served for 20 years, right between vietnam and the end of desert storm. comparing my service to all of you brave currently serving men and women is impossible. i fought the cold war behind top secret items, i never had to face bullets or be part of an unjust war.

i hardly catch bill moyers, but while flipping channels, i m glad i caught this one. bless you, tomas, for your heroic spirit to fight the war and to gain better care for returning war vets. glad to have met you and your family.

"Lucky Man" by Emerson, Lake and Palmer.

I thought it was an excellent show. As a Canadian I watch this show as much as possible. Bill Moyers reports things as he sees them.I hope Tomas continues his efforts to change things.My favorite anti war song is probably the fixing to die rag and blowin in the wind.

That guy that calls himself "Roguewarrior" is SPAM

There are so many good ones but One Tin Soldier is my all time favorite. It so succinctly summaries the pointlessness of war and how human beings never learn. Not the ones creating the wars, they know exactly what they are getting from it. Power, profit, imperialism. No, the ones who never learn are the ‘good’ citizens who allow it. The lack of civic involvement and turning a blind eye to atrocities committed by the few against the many is a universal problem. As Tomas says "the failure of good people" allows evil to flourish.

Three songs come to mind that have stood out the most with me.
1)Black Sabbath-"War Pigs"
2) Pink Floyd- "Dogs Of War"

The last and closest to me is from Yes-Relayer Album and the movement is titled

3)The Gates of Delirium
Words cause our banner, victorious our day.
Will silence be promised as violence display?
The curse increased we fight the power
And live by it by day.
Our gods awake in thunderous roars,
And guide the leaders hand in paths of glory to the cause.
Thank you to Tomas, Phil, Bill, Ellen, PBS, to all those in our military and their families, and lastly to those who never made it back with my condolences to their families.

Three years ago I finished my service of 25 years and 6 months in the military.

Moyers coverage of the war is yet another piece of propaganda set to convince you that all parts of this war were wrong.
This is the same war that 70% of Americans supported at the beginning, but Moyers relies on your busy lives and short memories.

I retired from the military after I was told that a medical lung condition would prevent from further deployment with my troops. I felt useless and unable to fulfill my commitment to this nation. But If I had the choice I would still be serving and deploying with the best America has to offer.

When did Moyers or Donahue serve? John McCain's son just returned from Iraq.

On the top of my list is What's Going On Marvin Gaye. Just watched Journal and went to Body of War's web site. April 3-6 is the
Full Frame Documentary Film Festival in Durham, NC. It is scheduled to play on the 5th. I am planning on attending. Tomas, you are truly an amazing person. Thank to Ellen Spiro and
Phil Donahue for making this film and thank you Bill Moyers, again for giving us information the rest of the media seems not to feel we need to see.


As Robert S. selects 2 excellent songs(Where Have All the Flowers Gone, and With God on Their Side)I must select 2 from the 60's also: Pete Seeger's "Waist Deep In The Big Muddy," complete with a "Big Fool" as we have in the White House today. Also, Peter, Paul & Mary's little known but very haunting song, telling the story of a son's refusal and his deathly protest in a society of indifference which is what started this war. The song is "The Great Mandela." It's protest is even more distraughting than a direct protest of a war. Einstein must have seen this very war coming when he said, "You cannot simultaneously prepare for war and peace."

Don't ever lose that articulate, down-to-earth attitude.
You're making a difference.

Just to be different (because everyone chose my songs), I nominate "Whatever Happened to Peace on Earth" by Willie Nelson and any song from Steve Earle's album, "The Revolution Starts Now."

Thanks, Tomas, for just being yourself.

I agree with the songs already listed, and add my favorite: "I Ain't Marchin' Anymore" by Phil Ochs. I actually heard him perform it live in concert in 1967.

The lyrics to it and other songs are here:


Frank Fisher, M.D.

Certainly Bob Dylan's Masters of War, as well as several others of his rank at the top, but do yourself a favor. Listen to his rendition of John Brown on the "Unplugged" album. If this doesn't tell the whole story and make you cry, you are made of stone. Thanks for listening

Thank you Tomas Young for your courage to go out and tell about the horrors of war, inspite of your injuries and suffering.I was so moved by you, your family, and people's responses to you. Thank you to the filmmakers, and Bill Moyers, as usual. I just finished seeing leadingtowar on line. 71 minutes of government lies and sarcasm,-it is barely watchable ( Yes, we can do some things: Demonstrate, request our Senators and Representatives not to authorize any more funds for the war, and vote for the candidate who will bring home our troops as soon as possible and begin to repair our tattered relationships around the world.

Great, great show. Americans want to help but our administration didn't want to include us in the fight. Good luck Tomas. Thank you for your service and continue to fight in what you believe in.

Pete Seeger has to be one of our greatest patriots and song writer. I would recommend his latest collection of protest songs (37), recorded with other artist on;
"Sowing the Seeds-The 10th Anniversary"

"Bring Them Home"
Pete Seeger

"19 miles to Baghdad"
Lizzie West & The White Buffalo

Where does it all end? Again and again we are reminded of the dangers of leadership without accountability, of the suppression of individual rights and voice, and of manipulation through lies.

Yet we do not learn. Wake up, make a difference. Help swing the pendulum back through action.

As Senator Byrd reminded us before the war, it may be your son or daughter who is the next to give all that they have. But for what?

Excellent film. It should be mandatory viewing for those who make the decisions to go to war. It would be particularly timely to remind them how criminal their lies sound, knowing there never was any evidence to support the claims made by the White House then or since, especially as we are seeing an exact replay only the name has changed to Iran.

How about the 1967 classic,"The I Feel Like I'm Fixin' to Die Rag" by Country Joe and the Fish? Quite appropo I must say - what are we fighting for?? Or the entire CD, "Bill Passalacqua, Peace of My Mind," especially "School of the Americas." Thank you Phil, Tomas & Ellen

How about the 1967 classic,"The I Feel Like I'm Fixin' to Die Rag" by Country Joe and the Fish? Quite appropo I must say - what are we fighting for?? Or the entire CD, "Bill Passalacqua, Peace of My Mind," especially "School of the Americas." Thank you Tomas, Phil & Ellen!

Stop, please, with all the chatter about anti-war songs. They may be remindful and even hopeful, but they are precisely the sort of distractions BushCorp wants us to get hung up on. What will stop this insanity is OUTRAGE. Like Phil Donahue’s OUTRAGE.
On-the-air OUTRAGE. We, yes you too, are being sold OUT by these warmongering, profiteering, conscienceless dollar-driven unindicted criminals who now own their power to send our best and brightest into warfare for no more than their, certainly not our, mere profit. OUTRAGE, America. Find and watch this film, and plead with everyone you know to watch it. And again -- OUTRAGE!

Ron Paul, who is still running for president, was very vocal in opposition to the war in 2002.

Bill Moyers interviewed him in October of 2002:

You can find his congressional speeches here:

And more info at

Powerful show. Bill Moyers is a national treasure. For protest songs, I think of Dylan's "Masters of War" and "Universal Soldier" by Buffy Sainte-Marie. Someone tell me why we send young people to kill other young people with whom they have no quarrel.

Keep up the good fight Tomas. The country needs more people like you.
This war has wasted way too much of everything.
One of the saddest songs I ever heard is Eric Bogle's "My youngest son came home today". Too many sons and daughters have come home the wrong way.

As I watched this program I felt 2 things: A) Vietnam all over again and B) President Bush fiddles as America Burns
(an allusion to Roman Emperor Nero)

What a marvelous program but not soon enough. The
people have been so deceived by the administration and it is sickening and frustrating in that we can't undo it all nor get anything done about it now. I have yet to hear a good response to "what do you mean by winning this war?" What is there to "win"? To lose so many lives for this farce is a certainly a crime and Bush and his cronies who feel they have to lead us with fear should be held accountable. So good to know I am not alone in my feelings about the conflict.

Powerful show. Bill Moyers is a national treasure. For protest songs, I think of Dylan's "Masters of War" and "Universal Soldier" by Buffy Sainte-Marie. Someone tell me why we send young people to kill other young people with whom they have no quarrel.

By the way,
Great job Bill Moyers for bringing us the news!

It's a rarity these days.

Tomas is such an inspiration.
And of course Phil, and the documentary film maker whose name escapes me. Thank you for what you do.

Wake Up Jimmy Newman by Tom Paxton

Wake Up Jimmy Newman by Tom Paxton

I just watched Bill Moyer's
Journal...Thank you Tomas for your courage and for what you're doing. I hope to see "Body of War' when it comes to my city.
I'm from the 60's so I suggest "With God on Our Side" by Dylan and the more recent(80's)Dylan song song "Clean Cut Kid."
Thank you again Tomas and may God bless you.

This episode of The Journal has moved me to tears. Thank you, Mr. Moyers, for ensuring that at 10 P.M. EST on Friday, I can have a glimpse of some truth and compassion.

Feel Like I'm Fixing To Die Rag (Next Stop Vietnam)
Country Joe & the Fish

Come on all of you big strong men
Uncle Sam needs your help again
he's got himself in a terrible jam
way down yonder in Viet Nam so
put down your books and pick up a gun we're
gonna have a whole lotta fun

And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for
don't ask me I don't give a damn, next stop is Viet Nam
And it's five, six, seven, open up the pearly gates
ain't no time to wonder why, whoopee we're all gonna die

Come on generals, let's move fast
your big chance has come at last
now you can go out and get those reds
cos the only good commie is the one that's dead and
you know that peace can only be won when we've
blown 'em all to kingdom come

Come on wall street don't be slow
why man this war is a go-go
there's plenty good money to be made by
supplying the army with the tools of its trade
let's hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
they drop it on the Viet Cong

Come on mothers throughout the land
pack your boys off to Viet Nam
come on fathers don't hesitate
send your sons off before it's too late
and you can be the first ones on your block
to have your boy come home in a box

3-Dog Night: A short moving A Capella at the end of an album. "Find the cost of Freedom buried in the ground. Mother Earth will swallow you. Lay your body down." It brings me release when I struggle with the insanity of war and pray for loved ones lost during the Vietam War.

"Universal Soldier" by Buffy Ste. Marie says it all for me.
Thank you Phil, Ellen and PBS!

"Masters of War" sung by Bob Dylan, would have to be my favorite; Pearl Jam did a great job covering it as well. And I would have to mention Pink's "Dear Mr. President", was a great song, and very gutsy on her part being a "mainstream" artist which makes me really respect her, and the Indigo Girls as well.

Thank you for the wonderful blog topic; and thank you Tomas for your service, strength, empathy and integrity; your story is very touching and motivating. You are a great leader.
God bless,

Lots of great suggestions here, but did I miss something? What about a modern upstart like Jack Johnson's white rap "Sleep Through the Static"? With the haunting echo, "We went beyond where we should have gone."

Marianne Faithfull's "Broken English"
Kate Bush's "Army Dreamers"
Elvis Costello's album "Armed Forces"

Oh, by the way, I just purchased the "Body of War" CD. Thank you.

This was a powerful broadcast! Thank you Thomas Young, and thank you Mr. Moyers for bringing this to the public airwaves.
From a former 101 Airborne paratrooper, Jimi Hendrix' Machine Gun is still a powerful testament to the horrors of war.

I can't believe that so many people were able to comment on tonight's Bill Moyers Journal before I could even pull up the blog by Thomas Young.

I thank and bless you, Thomas Young, especially; you, Bill Moyers, especially; and you, Phil Donahue, especially; and especially you, young lady whose name I have lost because I was in such a hurry to thank you!

I am more grateful than I can tell you for tonight's presentation.

I am a combat Viet Nam Vet and President of the Mpls Chapter of veterans for Peace. This young man is an inspiration and once again gives me the motivation to continue to press on to end this insane war in Iraq. Thank you Thomas. John, Viet Nam 1969-1970.

Excellent show.

John Lennon's "Imagine", "Give Peace A Chance", "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)" were his attempts to come up with simple ad-like slogans to "sell peace like we sell soap". Pete Seeger's "Waist Deep In The Big Muddy" (we seem to have an endless supply of "old fools" who tell us to "push on") and "Where Have All The Flowers Gone". Bob Dylan's "With God On Their Side" - why does every nation and armed group claim to know what God wants? "What's So Funny 'Bout Peace, Love and Understanding" - best known by Elvis Costello, but written by Nick Lowe, check out the original version with his band Brinsley Schwarz. Finally, "Peace On Earth" by U2 - ostensibly about Northern Ireland but it applies to any conflict where mothers' "sons are lying in the ground" and young people's lives are cut too short by senseless violence. I haven't yet made it through that song with dry eyes.

One by Metallica based on the movie and book, Johnny got his gun. Watch the video on you tube.

That was a great show!

I just watched the story about thomas young and his war story. His story about the war was powerful and very emotional for me. Being a Vietnam Veteran it reminded my of the forgotten gift my generation had given to this nation and our country. Never, never go to war in a far away land, sacrifice our men & women under false pretenses of protecting America from a non existent threat to us. That was our gift of blood and tears the Vietnam Veterans gave to America and sadly, in less then one generation the gift has been forgotten.

I just watched the story about thomas young and his war story. His story about the war was powerful and very emotional for me. Being a Vietnam Veteran it reminded my of the forgotten gift my generation had given to this nation and our country. Never, never go to war in a far away land, sacrifice our men & women under false pretenses of protecting America from a non existent threat to us. That was our gift of blood and tears the Vietnam Veterans gave to America and sadly, in less then one generation the gift has been forgotten.

We are a nation gripped by fear, fear so palpable it has changed day into night, and might into right.

We have fallen far from the tree of democracy, blown by a fearful wind that withers our spirit and hollows our hearts.

No longer able to stand for an ideal we fall for anything. We are sick and sickness blesses our progeny as a curse uttered in contempt for new life itself.

Thomas; always doubt and pain our hearts so that we may feel again.

May the creator shed a tear on our fallow fields so that new growth can replace old wood. I believe I hear the crying of a new wind, I believe new growth will push out the old and I believe night will become day and I believe right will once again be all mighty.

I agree completely with many of the songs named, pete seeger, bob dylan, eric bogle, but the most moving to me is an Irish song, "Johnny I Hadly Knew Ye." A few lines -" Where are your legs that used to run when you went for to carry a gun, Indeed your dancing days are done, Oh Johnny I hardly knew ye."
Melody similar to "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" but sung in a minor key.

Thank you for this honest and moving story of the horror of this war

The best current anti-war song I've heard is John Flynn's Dover.

"masters of war".......dylan

elvis costello's...."tramp the earth down" with rewritten lyrics to fit the bush administration.... sorry thomas.....i tried to stop this mess...i failed you

Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On" may be an oldie, but translates perfectly to what's going on TODAY. Tomas, thanks for being a warrior! Martin Luther King once encouraged folks to be Extremists for Love, which is exactly what you're about. Peace!

"Find the price of freedom ...buried in the ground.

Mother earth will swallow you, lay your body down."

When I recall listening to this sung acapella by Crosby, Stillls, Nash (& Young?), it announced that war was meant to be a last resort action. I also think Peter Paul and Mary's version of "Where Have All The Flowers Gone" moves people to think.

I'm so encouraged to see what your story will do to awaken us. Thanks so much, Tomas.

"WAR" ....what is it good for ? (by E.Starr?)....Absolutly nothing!"

Let's stop this insanity and bring our men and women home.

Breathe taking...after viewing this program I can only think "What can I do to help?" As a young, lower class, single mother and student what exactly can I do after being moved to make a change? There is noway one can sit and watch this episode and not want to be active in this movement.

Marvin Gaye's "What's Goin' On?" and a song called "Greetings (This is Uncle Sam)" by the Monitors, the latter capturing the days of the draft and a ticket to the Nam.

Not so evident as anti-war song at first, but listen to the simple lyrics as the soldier, cleaning his gun admits, "I am so afraid of dying..."

Galveston sung by Glen Campbell

Marvin Gaye's "What's Goin' On?" and a song called "Greetings (This is Uncle Sam)" by the Monitors, the latter capturing the days of the draft and a ticket to the Nam.

Assuming the US authorities knew exactly who to target for the events of 9/11/01, what has the US taught its youth to want to immediately exact revenge? Revenge does not satisfy and less so when you realize you have not even gone after the truly guilty.

In Bob Dylan's 'A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall', he sings "and the executioner's face is always well hidden". In this case it was Bush's lies that he continues to tell.

Hey! What about,"Senator's Son" by Creedence Clearwater Revival and as the blogger above says John Fogerty's "Deja Vu all over Again"
Why aren't we getting traction with all of this!
I ask Phil Donahue this question. But I'll bet ya Pete Seeger can answer it!

Thank you. the majority of the country is against the war, and not only does Cheney verbally tells us "SO!" Congress and the media has acted "SO!"
Hopefully soon we will unite and take our country back. My brother gave his life in Korea and until the day my Mother died she cried for him.

Fantastic program. It brought tears to my eyes. It saddens me that our veterans are not receiving proper medical care. And too many Americans are oblivious to this war, mainly due to the media not doing their job.

Thomas, Ellen and Phil, thank you for making BODY OF WAR.

I recently saw Pete Seegars the power of song and the song that resonated with me are "Bring 'em home", Where have all the flowers gone, and "
The fool said move on"

How has the war impacted me. I saw my nephew destroyed by the vietnam war due to PTSD and alchoholism that follwed. I know there will be thousands of young men who will suffer the same fate and many others from brain damage.

The tragedy is that the government squanders money on corporate welfare and starves the services needed to deal with the many veterans and non-veterans suffring from mental illnesses.

"Body of War" is a must-see for all real patriots.

Songs: Imagine, Blowin' in the Wind, Where Have All the Flowers Gone.

Another vote from this Vietnam veteran (non-combat) for Fixin to Die Rag by Country Joe MacDonald. "Be the first one on your block to have your boy come home in a box". Or whatever.

Day After Tomorrow by Tom Waits. Poignant & compelling.

Bob Dylan's "With God On Our Side". Says it all for me. Peace.

The best anti-war song I have ever heard, is "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda", by Eric Bogle. It took me almost three months of singing this somg over and over before I could perform it in public without breaking down. Google it! It is wonderful. In second place is "The Green Fields of France", also by Eric Bogle.

What a powerful episode of the Journal. Two songs about war and its costs that really grip me are "Sam Stone" and "Day After Tomorrow". When I listen to either of them, I have to completely stop what I'm doing and just focus on the lyrics. They are both available on a CD called The Future Soundtrack of America, which is available in the phenomenal McSweeney's book The Future Dictionary of America.

Bob Marley
Everywhere is war.

Thank you. the majority of the country is against the war, and not only does Cheney verbally tells us "SO!" Congress and the media has acted "SO!"
Hopefully soon we will unite and take our country back. My brother gave his life in Korea and until the day my Mother died she cried for him.

"Eve of Destruction" (1965) by P.F. Sloan as sung by Barry McGuire.

check out Arlo Guthries'
The Patriots Dream and much of Jackson Brown's work, Also the Eagles.

There's a Civil war era song "He's Coming To Us Dead" preformed by the New Lost City Ramblers on a compilation Classic Railroad Songs on Smithsonian Folkways Label. It's about a family going to the telegraph office/train depot to pick up their son's body, it always makes me think of a family artifact, the telegraph sent to my great-grandmother telling her that her eldest son was killed in action at the outset of WW II. I imagine her confusion followed by anguish, and remember there was always a sadness in her I never understood.

Tom Waits "Road to Peace" from Orphans on the Anti- label, it's about the Palestinian-Israel war.

X "I Must Not Think Bad Thoughts", it's anti-war and a schooling on American Punk Rock to boot...

I am a child of the 60s. It has to be Bob Dylan. Thank you , Tomas for your strength and your integrity.

and who can forget Elvis Costello's
"What's So Funny 'Bout Peace, Love and Understanding," The Young Rascals' "People Got To Be Free," Cat Stevens' "Peace Train," John Lennon's "Happy Christmas, War Is Over," "Ball of Confusion" by The Temptations, Buffalo Springfield's "For What It's Worth (What's That Sound)," The Black Eyed Peas "Where is the Love," Edwin Starr's "War (What is it good for)?

and who can forget Elvis Costello's
"What's So Funny 'Bout Peace, Love and Understanding," The Young Rascals' "People Got To Be Free," Cat Stevens' "Peace Train," John Lennon's "Happy Christmas, War Is Over," "Ball of Confusion" by The Temptations, Buffalo Springfield's "For What It's Worth (What's That Sound)," The Black Eyed Peas "Where is the Love," Edwin Starr's "War (What is it good for)?

What's Going On Marvin Gaye

There are two that come to mind besides those listed by others. Charlie King's song "If Jimmy Didn't Have To Go" tells of how a father feels when he understands that other fathers, perhaps our own "enemies" wish for their own sons what we wish for ours. A song, written in the early 1950's called "Last Night I Had The Strangest Dream" makes me feel hopeful one day we will all decide that we are our brothers' keepers and that when we harm someone else, it harms us. Thank you for this opportunity to remember music and it's impact on me.

Buffy Sainte-Marie's "Universal Soldier" has gotten me into trouble with my "in-laws". So I'd say it says somethimg to them.

Imagine and Sky Pilot

Daylight again, following me to bed
I think about a hundred years ago, how my fathers bled
I think I see a valley, covered with bones in blue
All the brave soldiers that cannot get older been askin' after
Hear the past a callin', from Ar- -megeddon's side
When everyone's talkin' and noone is listenin', how can we

(Do we) find the cost of freedom, buried in the ground

Mother earth will swallow you, lay your body down
Find the cost of freedom, buried in the ground
Mother earth will swallow you, lay your body down
(Find the cost of freedom buried in the ground)

(Daylight Again by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young)

Sometimes, my own stuff. I'm pretty pleased with a lyric I came up with this week called "Free Marie" that covers a lot of the bases in the "War on Terror." (Perhaps I could share the lyrics with you if you're curious about them.) There's another one I wrote a couple months after September 11, 2001 called "Unspeakable" whose refrain is "The terrorists have won."

But two of the songs about war that influenced me the most are Richard Thompson's "How Will I Ever Be Simple Again?" and "Al Bowlly's in Heaven." Those both come from a 1986 album, Daring Adventures.

Todd Rundgren's "Honest Work" from a cappella is a great meditation on that thing itself and what happens to people in its absence.

Also, Country Joe and the Fish's "Fish Cheer/Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-to -Die Rag" from the Woodstock soundtrack album and Donovan's "Universal Soldier" are cornerstones of my consciousness.

I listen to Andrew Bird, "The Mysterious Production of Eggs" and "Armchair Apocrypha" for a subtle but biting attack on our pursuit of empire, media complicity, and many other social issues. I'm convinced that Bird is a genius.

John McCutcheon's anti-war songs and work befits his Quaker being but "Christmas in the Trenches" is one powerful, anti war gift.

I'm so glad to hear someone is finally telling the truth to the American public. This country needs to end this senseless war. Bring our troops home and out of harms way.

Some of mine are Bob Dylan's "Masters of War", John Fogerty's "Deja Vu All Over Again" (because it really is), and "I Am a Patriot" written by Steven Van Zandt of the E Street Band (especially as covered by Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder) as a way of reclaiming the term patriot for those who oppose this war and American imperialism.

Pete Seeger's "Where Have All The Flowers Gone" has a definitively haunting tale that I think describes the senselessness of it all. Bob Dylans "With God On There Side" speaks to the nature of American agression. Unfortunately they were written 50 and 40 years ago respectively and hold just as truer today than ever before.

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