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Michael Winship: The Nobel Prize with an Asterisk

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Below is an article by JOURNAL senior writer Michael Winship. We welcome your comments below.

"The Nobel Prize with an Asterisk"
By Michael Winship

Despite the graciousness of his speech at the White House last Friday, President Obama’s acceptance of the Nobel Peace Prize did have an air slightly reminiscent of Lincoln’s story about the man who was tarred, feathered and ridden out of town on a rail – if it wasn’t for the honor of the thing he’d just as soon walk.

Inger-Marie Ytterhorn, a member of the Nobel committee that chose him, told the Associated Press this week, “I looked at his face when he was on TV and confirmed that he would receive the prize and would come to Norway and he didn’t look particularly happy.”

After all, Obama has been President for barely nine months and yes, he has made some fine speeches in support of peace and bettering international relations. But was that enough to merit the award? Was he winning it more for who he’s not – George W. Bush – than for who he is?

Sadly, much of the initial reaction in the United States was churlish and scornful, ill-informed, and frankly, as un-American as those of the knee-jerk right who cheered when Obama’s quick trip to Copenhagen failed to win the Olympics for his Chicago hometown. We are less serious as a nation than we should be. The empty-headedness and inanity of much of the media and political response to the announcement bears testament to that unhappy truth. We would do better to see ourselves as others see us than to scream in protest and sarcasm when another part of the world wishes to honor our President and us.

But some of us sincerely felt that it may have been better for the President and the country NOT to have accepted the Nobel– to have made a gracious speech of thanks but no thanks – regretfully declining the award until he had proven himself worthy through actual deeds and positive signs of progress. If nothing else, it would have silenced at least some of the critics and given President Obama some breathing room to do what he says he wants to do without the restraints of even greater global expectations.

After all, take a look at the world around us, and America’s place in it.
President Obama talks the talk when it comes to climate change and nuclear arms control, curbing the atomic ambitions of Iran and North Korea, encouraging both harmony and diversity among the religions of the world. All well and good; even exemplary.

But little concrete action has been taken. For all the talk of closing our prison in Guantanamo, chances are that he will not meet his deadline of shutting it down within a year. Many of the transgressions on human rights that took place there and elsewhere in the name of a global war on terror continue, unresolved and unpunished.

He has spoken out for a two-state solution for Israelis and Palestinians but has made no progress, the window of opportunity slammed down on his fingers by Israel, with no help from Hamas. Our troops are still in Iraq, despite promises of significant withdrawals, and the Nobel announcement came in the midst of deciding whether or not to send even more American men and women into Afghanistan, where many of them may die. When told about Obama’s new honor, an Afghan bank worker said to a reporter from the LOS ANGELES Times. “I’m not sure I understand. This isn’t for peace here, is it? Because we haven’t got any.”

Better then to call this prize, as many have, including the Nobel committee, an aspirational award – the committee expressing its own audacity of hope. As the President himself said, “I know that throughout history, the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it’s also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes.”

According to an article by political scientist Ronald Krebs in an upcoming issue of POLITICAL SCIENCE QUARTERLY, since 1971, the peace prize has been presented as just such an aspirational incentive 27 times. So the President is not alone. The head of the Nobel committee told reporters, “We do hope this can contribute a little bit to what he is trying to do.”

Consider the prize encouragement, a vote of support for vision and inspiration, a recognition that after eight years of a unilateral, destabilizing imposition of American exceptionalism on the world there’s an attitude adjustment working its way through our foreign policy. Dignity is part of it. So is humility – listening to other nations instead of ordering them around with the bluster of a swaggering county sheriff.

The potential is there. Whether Barack Obama can overcome or solve the dilemmas he inherited – or the crises created on his own watch by his own hand – will be proof of whether good intentions can become reality or simply pave that infamous road to hell.

In 1961, another young president, John F. Kennedy, met with Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev at a summit conference in Vienna, Austria. It was a time when Cold War tensions between the two countries were high, just weeks after the failed, US-backed invasion of Cuba at the Bay of Pigs. Kennedy pointed to one of the medals on Khrushchev’s lapel and asked what it was. The Lenin Peace Prize, said Khrushchev. Kennedy replied, “I hope you keep it.”

Now Obama has received the Nobel Prize for Peace. The months and years ahead will determine whether he deserves to keep it.


Please note that the views and opinions expressed by Michael Winship are not necessarily the views and opinions held by Bill Moyers or BILL MOYERS JOURNAL.



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Jack Martin wrote, in part, "Now, as for the Earth temperature issue:
It took successful early forms of life to make later conditions come about. First there were organisms that produced oxygen in sufficient amounts. Then, by contrast, the body mass of others became fossil fuels.
We have a home today because of such sequential events. Our physiology is such that we ARE the planet; and in present times; the planet is us, I suppose. You say the first step is to appreciate this dynamic and enjoy it.

But maybe we've been enjoying too much, or in wrong ways. In any case, physical space travel is a hopeless myth; despite the Internet, horseless carriages and Wilbur Wright. All these grubby hobbies occurred within the envelope of our origins. Astral projection is as worthy a pursuit. Actually, constant electronic contact and intercontinental jet travel are generally toxic.
"God knows when to fold 'em,"says Anna. So do you fix global climate shift or let it run its course?
(L.L. Lamb predicted it in 1963. Was he a child of God?)

Hiya Jack,

I must say sparing with you gets entertaining, especially when layered over the actual happenings in "real" reality...for instance, I got a better insight into what qualities come together in an individual (male or female) that ultimately finds expression in the "masochist" end of the spectrum...an empathetic hedonist and/or an empathetic narcissist will eventually become a masochist. Think about it :-) And masochists are "cherished" in "church" congregations by the sadistic shamans...oh the tares of mechanists and materialists!

Heck, we can all get snarky, we're only human.

Back to "science"...I can easily believe that a scientist in 1963 could "predict" environmental disaster. Once stasis is disturbed in either the physics of organic or inorganic "chemistry", the rate at which the reaction proceeds is EXPONENTIAL, not linear. That's why it was BEYOND shocking when under President Reagan, they cavalierly CUBED the amount of particulates "permitted" into the air from coal factories and oil refineries. That was NUTZ, but after the crucifixion of Rachel Carson in 1955, "scientists" basically were unable to man any kind of "political" power because scientists, generally, do not have the social skills to fruitfully engage with "minds" so stupid as to CUBE the amount of particulates "permitted" by "grandfathered" industry.

So what to think about the NEW AGE crop of "scientists" who are MORE politically minded than those in 1963, so political, as a matter of fact, that they have framed the entire "problem" around the most unprovable, and possibly, the most irrelevant aspect of the situation because "warming" is very much a partial phase of a chemical reaction and not the final outcome! In other words, "warming" is a SYMPTOM of a PROCESS already under way and neither is it the genesis of the chemical reaction, nor is it the final outcome.

The GENESIS is,

as you danced around it because, maybe?, it must be rocking some of your core beliefs

the EXPLOITATION of ALL of earth's bounties

ALL at once...

In simple terms, too many variables thrown at statis ALL at once!

Had it just been the fluorocarbons that opened up the first layer of statis - the atmosphere - that protects us from being cooked by ALL the "energy" incoming from the nuclear reactor we call "the sun",

then we could take care of that...

but in addition to that we had deforestation of the tropical rain forests

the CUBING (that's EXPONENTIAL mathematics!) of ALL particulates, not just "carbon" (carbon is NATURE's catalyst)

an explosive willy nilly human population surge

wanton, inexplicably PRIMATIVE crap-in-your-food-bowl,

hard, proven, truth "math" and "science" DENYING

abuse of water

("the solution to pollution is dilution" - the ocean is a toilet)

and NOW

after ALL those variables are in the brew

it's about proving "warming"...?

That's criminally absurd on a scientifically ethical level, imo. "warming", scheesh...

All "we" can do now is set up a world's fair to teach everyone a common body of knowledge that is REAL because it is going to keep changing from here on in and we need more than one kind of back-up generator, so to speak.

Cultures should be allowed to pick and choose how they ADAPT the basic "laws" of physics and biology...

Having been humbled more than once in an episode of "lost in translation", it WILL NOT be an easy task, at all.

Especially the human biology aspect of it

which DECEIVED and MISGUIDED humans beings have screwed up way more than what the genius physics "god" ever intended...

for instance, while demonstrating how to properly use a condom in a low-caste village in India, the person used a stick as a prop instead of an actual male member. This misunderstanding was discovered later when the population of the village INCREASED, exponentially :-). The women attending the condom seminar went home, found a stick and put the condom on the stick before going to bed with their man.

Sigh.

Let's hope some faint CONCEPT of "must adapt now" gets some consideration at the POLITICAL global bruhahas (like this week's Copenhagen party) that have replaced the old-fashioned "world's fairs" of the 1960s...

And be very specific with the show and tell teaching props...

:-))


Jack Martin wrote, in part, "Did you ever suspect that "Jack Martin" might actually be female?"

Not for a nanosecond. Everything about you screams "MALE".

Jack, "It was refreshing to conceive of the Creator as a slandered and abused outcast."

Yup, pretty much what the "religions of authority" did to "god", no?

It wasn't because of Peter and Paul and socio-economic conditions that we still are celebrating the crucifixion of OUR "Creator"...

imho, it's because of what happened on "Pentecost"...

"truth" about "god's" GENIUS persists in spite of all the peter, pauls and marys collecting alms because THEY got the "genius's" hotline.

Thanks, again, Jack for

SPINNING away from the freekin' ISSUE that matters the MOST -

RUTHLESS CENSORSHIP.

Let's, at least in the USA, get the "holy war" aspect analyzed CORRECTLY...

PREVENTING families from raising children who are IMMUNE to any and all "handlers" on cell phones who send teenagers to hotels to kill and destroy property

IS AN ACT OF WAR.

Did you REALLY start believing your own "political" bs? That "americans" have absolutely NOTHING left in our "humanity" that will get us to "sacrifice" blood soaked, "sovereign" bank accounts for the seventh generation out...?

Men can't read women's minds.
Well, can men read men's minds; or women read men's?
And why do we have to "read minds" if we value the natural empathy in our hearts. The main thing wrong with the bumpersticker is that kind acts should not be random. They should be routine.

Did you ever suspect that "Jack Martin" might actually be female?
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While the Urantia Book shares many limitations with other holy texts, it originated with all sincerity of belief and is an impressive Theocratic testament. I can imagine obedient dog soldiers defacing it in some gulag.

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Does one liken oneself to God; or liken God to oneself? (I prefer the second.) I laughed when it was suggested that God knows when to hold 'em; when to fold 'em. It was refreshing to conceive of the Creator as a slandered and abused outcast. (You're getting close to a Jesus or Joseph Smith archetype here. Using Urantia as a Sufi-style incorporation you gain a Joseph Campbell level of symbolic insight.)

Now, as for the Earth temperature issue:
It took successful early forms of life to make later conditions come about. First there were organisms that produced oxygen in sufficient amounts. Then, by contrast, the body mass of others became fossil fuels.
We have a home today because of such sequential events. Our physiology is such that we ARE the planet; and in present times; the planet is us, I suppose. You say the first step is to appreciate this dynamic and enjoy it.

But maybe we've been enjoying too much, or in wrong ways. In any case, physical space travel is a hopeless myth; despite the Internet, horseless carriages and Wilbur Wright. All these grubby hobbies occurred within the envelope of our origins. Astral projection is as worthy a pursuit. Actually, constant electronic contact and intercontinental jet travel are generally toxic.
"God knows when to fold 'em,"says Anna. So do you fix global climate shift or let it run its course?
(L.L. Lamb predicted it in 1963. Was he a child of God?)
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They read over shoulders-
Captcha: tashkent 12
-just like angels in a Wem Wenders film.
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Jack Martin wrote, to me, "Anna, according to your understanding, "What is the nature of God?" Because the modus operendi of the Creator has great bearing upon how a human should act."

Anna responds - In so far as any ideas I might have about "God" can, and do, influence my progress with solving problems of living, the ideas are "relative" to the problem. OBVIOUSLY, we got a genius on our hands in this "god" who HAS figured out the physics and crunched the numbers so that the perfect amount of sunlight reaches the earth and suports "life" :-)) So next thought is this, OBVIOUSLY I don't immediately have to do the math and physics because, lo and behold, the "personality" of the genius is NOT insulting, but more parent-like, in that the operational aspect of the "system" is splendidly SIMPLE. I got time to figure out how it works because KEEPING it working the way it IS working, and "legend" has it that it's been working for a million years or so, is NOT beyond my childish capabilites. We're all 10 minutes ahead of someone else with our personal "epiphanies" about the WISDOM of the genius who kept it SIMPLE enough for us to catch up and participate in "paradise".

Jack, "Also, you could incorporate your Urantia beliefs, ordain yourself, and escape some taxes. That's how the Mormons did. That's how they do. Next step: Celestial dollars. But redeemable for what?"

Funny. But let ME be clear since I am not a woman who has observed men, as a scientist, since about 12 years old, in earnest, without observing the TRUTH that men cannot read a woman's "mind" - I have to TELL you myself whassup in my grey matter :-)

I have ABSOLUTELY no other "motive" when it comes to The Urantia Book other than to continue to beat the drum of protest against the RUTHLESS CENSORSHIP that poor book has been subjected to in the USA. It's a DANGEROUS and INSANE "secret" sub-society that is in place in "high" places (touch of sarcasm to the "high") that stops at NOTHING - character assasination, financial ruin, "torture" in one way or another, hits on the health of the body, the creation of a "perception" that the person is a "lone wolf" through the enscription of neighbors, co-workers, any and ALL "community" encounters (church, local politics, favorite deli, etc) to GOSSIP about what was said - ALWAYS out of context, of course - and apply the FACIST political correctness crap JUDGEMENT on to those gossip reports - as I mentioned before, I AM on every single list as well as having been thrown OFF of every single "discussion" forum. Personally, I consider that FACT a great achievement - lol.

Yes, it is POSSIBLE to create the "perception" of "no one gets along with her"...a uniquely "american" character assasination, btw, because of the MILLIONS of genetic material thriving in USA,

who's psycho-logical profiles are "cheerful and optimistic sociopaths and narcissists who respond well to chemical management when occasionally made uncomfortably "tense" through "guilt" and "empathy" in the ACTS they commit against others.

Now why this "polak stupid stubborness" against such totalitarian-extremist censorship - especially when the "perception" is that it is EASIER to lie, cheat, steal, manipulate and "put out" instead?

Am I too stupid to know how to go along to get along and know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em...?

Compared to "god", yup, probably too stupid :-) But then, whoops, genius-god did NOT manage to provide PERFECT sunlight to a whole planet of life through mayhem, murder and all out dignity-insult at the "life" on the planet...

But nope, it's not that "celestial" - the stubborness. It's a whole lot more SIMPLE.

The FILTH being cynically packaged and sold as "original", "creative", "unique", "truthful"

ahhhrrt (nose in the air)

is PROTECTED from ANY kind of "censorship",

while something as LUCID and downright TRULY beautiful as a work of LITERATURE that The Urantia Book IS - in the FINAL analysis -

well, THAT's why I marshall the hell-raising teenager still alive and well in a "middle-aged" body to rebel against what TRULY is worth rebelling against.

Lots of good writers and "deep thinkers" grab the soapbox of posting their comment here on a PBS blog to prove that self-love and "empire" life maintenance are one and the same and are a "good" thing...

Here's the gauntlet being thrown down - EXPLAIN the ruthless censorship of both The Urantia Book and anyone who has read.

THAT'S all that I'm about, Jack. EXPLAIN the CENSORSHIP.

People can judge for themselves whether they want to read it, whether it's as good in imaginative detail as Harry Potter on the Potty, whether it's the work of the devil...wha'ever...

The genius god is "kind" hearted and thinks it was okay to let humans have the ability to use "language" to "live" and "thrive".

After all, men can't read women's minds.

:-))

Frank wants to complement the Emperor on his "clothes."

I could have appreciated the contradictory comedy of his speech better had he come out like Clint Eastwood with a lit cigar and a fist-full of Nobel dynamite, waving it at the parasitic hypocritic oligarchy, and threatening to throw. Here stands Bashful Barry proclaiming, "I'm the most powerful man in the world, but because of the oligarchy that has given me these life and death powers, I cannot in any way act for justice or peace."

We've come to a point where the concept "respect for the office" seems somewhat hokey. You have to ask yourself," What gives this Swedish academy the authority to proclaim anyone a peacmaker, or even a great scientist or writer?" The writing prizes seem to be suffering an erosion of credibility parallel to the Peace Prize. Their high point is speculative trading in the publishing world among those with advance insider information.

Obama got some cash too with that prize. It would be interesting to see how he spends it. (Can he endeavor like James Earl Carter to learn what peace is and how to seek it?)

Frank, I am determined to force the one and only President we elected to try harder, not to applaud the potty manners of a grown lawyer.

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Anna, according to your understanding, "What is the nature of God?" Because the modus operendi of the Creator has great bearing upon how a human should act.

Also, you could incorporate your Urantia beliefs, ordain yourself, and escape some taxes. That's how the Mormons did. That's how they do. Next step: Celestial dollars. But redeemable for what?

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Thank you diligent correspondents for finding my invitation on this back page. Figgersinstitute@yahoo.com

Jack Martin wrote, in part, "What is a state wedded to war economy but an addict destined for the historical gutter? It appears that arms manufacture along with warring have become the monetary backbone of our nation, along with various sorts of drug dealing, usurious monetary chichanery and human trafficking, now that we have abandoned manufacture propelled by real human need, including wholesome and nutritious food production and compassionate medicine."

PRINT OUR OWN MONEY WHILE WE STILL HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE AROUND WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING...we've wasted two years in a nanosecond world with 7 billion hunger and thirsty mouths to feed...enough time-wasting on soaring rhetoric that WILL NOT MOVE the "elite" - it WON'T - it hardens the psycho's mission instead - c'mon, they're BEYOND hope...and I am NOT talking about Obambi - he was pulled out of a hole in hopes of being the ultimate red herring...just like Palin was shot out of a rocket for the "female" cat fight - honestly, submitting herself to a shaman from Africa so that the voices in her head that she listens to would not be "evil" - SERIOUSLY - that's just nuts...this ALL is just too STUPID to be frightening!

REALITY - 7 billion, "nature" on a rampage from industrial rape, and common sense CENSORED by psychotic drug and war lords...

No.

Just no.

ADAPT!

"We" insist on NOT having a Big Giant Head...okay? That's our 2000+ year CULTURE.

Our Big Giant Head was a can't-touch-this genius god who constructed a SYSTEM where the PERFECT amount of sunlight reaches the earth to support the WEB of life -

and ThAT Giant Head delegated the responsibility to "US" to do it in such a way that keeps it going for ALL generations - thousands of years - to follow us...

And by "US" I do include other great cultures - YOU know who you ARE :-) and for the record, I DO include the "natives" everywhere who have a hell of alot less problems with BASIC 101 POLITICAL "ethics" than the self-proclaimed "chosen ones" of 20th century infamy possess...

PRINT THE NEW MONEY FOR US.

I am concerned how much criticism is thrown at our President. It seems if he does anything, someone is always offended or angry. He has been in office not even a year yet and he is expected to fix everything broken in the last eight? No one on this earth could do that. He gets a prize and it is his fault? Please, give him a break and let him try.

In his acceptance speech for the Nobel Prize for Peace U.S. President Barack Obama in effect ridiculed pacifism and thereby embarrassed his country and himself before peaceworkers and sympathizers living and dead who easily see through his elitist arguments in behalf of oligarchic exceptionalism and American Empire. Those complicit in warmaking, arms dealing and mass murder were not shocked, but the remainder of humanity should have been. After openly acknowledging the bitter fruits of war, and the phenomenon that it is self-perpetuating and self-resuming by the cruelties committed, he set the United States and himself up as above and beyond the consequences. At worst he mischaracterized evil as an independent force arriving through mysticism and supernatural agency. Our President thus mouthed the words of superstitious tribalism and bloodlust revenge, citing them as legitimizing the excesses and irrationalities of the American State. Such are the mundanely and banal evil expectations we are supposed to have for our duely elected leader.

What is a state wedded to war economy but an addict destined for the historical gutter? It appears that arms manufacture along with warring have become the monetary backbone of our nation, along with various sorts of drug dealing, usurious monetary chichanery and human trafficking, now that we have abandoned manufacture propelled by real human need, including wholesome and nutritious food production and compassionate medicine.

But President Obama has no prophetic Biblical dreams of foreboding. No worries mate. Re-election is in the bag. He tritely references Hitlerian Nazism as if it originated in a vacuum without the consequences of WWI or the investment mania of American moguls greedily financing it. And no Gandhian or Martin Luther Kingian type movement could have ever have had any effect against it, says he. The "lessor known" Nazi resistors are thus being invited to spit in the President's face. Barack conveniently forgets that probably more than half of Holocaust victims (some also Jews and Gypsies), were radicals and resistors fascist ideology could not tolerate.

Pacifists never expect to "win". They only hope to better human prospects and uplift behavioral standards. The most ardent ones do not eschew violence against the self, the body and mind they possess. Sitting atop a redwood exposed to the weather, chaining oneself to war equipment, openly fasting, exposing the body to organized violence are sacrifices made with no selfish expectations. The domestic self-immolaters of the Vietnam era: Norman Morrison, Alice Herz, Florence Beaumont, Roger Allen La Porte, and others surrendered their lives in the belief they were enlightening and motivating other persons of good will under conditions they could no longer tolerate. It has been shown by testimony how Morrison's death excoriated the proud and hardened heart of Robert MacNamara, Sec. of Defense, so there is a demonstratrable effect. Pacifism is irresistible when it escalates to mass self-sacrifice. It is not as though peace-committed prisoners may not ever care for themselves, act to protect others, or push past their captors. There are not enough jails to hold everyone mostly because taxation makes prison possible, and the economic ratio soon exhausts itself. Self-sacrifice combines with civil (meaning orderly and peaceful) disobedience undermining illegitimate governance.

But President Obama pontificated before the world about his untouchable immunity as head of state, and preached about oligarchic imperatives and the exceptionalism of American Empire. He, who had enjoyed unique public expectations, conformed to the megalomaniacal model of modern leadership, and cast aside all the lessons that had brought him to prominence. Without some demonstrable self-sacrifice he is now unredeemable. So again we see how pride and expediency goeth before a fall, Obama's and our country's.

before funding any charity. please visit. REFORM MARCH OF DIMES.ORG (learn how charities misspend research dollars) and MRMCMED.ORG, read what the march of dimes spends 30 million dollars a year on, thank you for your time. ps, animal research has NEVER been validated. "work on prevention of polio was LONG DELAYED by an erroneous conception of the nature of the human disease based on MISLEADING experimental models of the disease in monkeys" albert sabin, m.d., during a 1984 house subcommittee. "if curing mouse cancers were enough. we would have cured cancer IN THE 60S" dr. donald morton, john wayne cancer institute.

Let's survey the millions of Americans injured by Greenspan's view on FRAUD & see if boiling in oil comes up! (Guess that might be evil).

Billy Bob, Florida

It's be a waste of perfectly good cooking oil :-)

When people find "a flaw" in their "reality" regarding "fraud", there used to be "institutions" where we could put them until they figured it out - white coats, peaceful music, carefully crafted nutrition, specialty medication to induce "serenity"...

And we're back to "health care"....

Greenspan knew the Melt down was due because the LTCM occurred years before and he & Congress had been warned by CFTC chairman Born in the PBS, FRONTLINE's "The Warning" by M. Kirk.

Now, was that evil?

Greenspan, Rubin, Sommers, Levitt knew "black" deals were being done & at grave risk to our economy as evidenced by the LTCM melt down.

Let's survey the millions of Americans injured by Greenspan's view on FRAUD & see if boiling in oil comes up! (Guess that might be evil).

Billy Bob, Florida

I often use that quotation about "the honor of the thing" because it is so apt. But, let's attribute it accurately. Mark Twain wrote those lines in one of his lesser known books, "Roughing It" about, among other things, some Bernie Madoff-like shenanigans in attracting investors to silver mining "opportunities" in Nevada.

Hi "L",

Thank you for the quote.

Here's one from a "Jesus" site that continues to rationalize their censorship of a certain book with the argument that people are "not ready" for the information in the book and/or too "stupid" to read the book. They've been at this censorship for 3 generations now - up to and including numerous law suits that actully helped strengthen the "laws" of corporate personhood and intellectual property - the bowl of crazy we find ourselves in through the RELIGIOUS corruption of the judicial arm of government.

Yup, it is that deep of a "secret" story...

I'm bringing up this BOOK CENSORSHIP in 2009 in USA for consideration to the whole "why is there so much evil!?" question that everyone is asking...so please bear with me...back to the story...

They've (some small group of men who are self-proclaimed "elders-in-charge") have been losing control of the dissemination of the book with the growth of the internet.

So now they are carefully interjecting "typos" into e-versions of the book being cut and pasted from everywhere and anywhere, without editing control over CONTEXTUAL erros, that completely alter the original presentation of the thought of the author.

In brief, it's like re-interpreting ANY "holy book " before anyone has had a chance to read it and finally releasing the book to the "suffering masses" after this perfidous censorship has been completed.

Surely, no one believes that humanity could be suffering from so much delusional philosophical chaos WITHOUT the strict censorship of what REAL people are thinking and their freedom to converse about it?!

Here's the slap they give someone after they take away the rights of the person to continue to post on the site. That's the MO (modus operendi) of 8 years of brutal censorship - do NOT allow the person to defend themselves. Get it? They SILENCE you and THEN they start a trial against you.

So here's the case being made by the "holy" Censor of the site ("...we pay to run this site so we can throw anybody out..."):

He says, "I remember reecent similar situations, even here on this forum, with very brilliant people, certain of their rectitutde, who would "ride roughshod" over the arguments of others by sheer weight of intellect. This is something Jesus never did."

You asked WHY the "christian church" has been such a failure when it has had much more opportunity and time to make a difference.

Answer: Brutal censorship of TRUTH, misuse of quotes from the "bible", jesus-on-a-stick saves you from the consequences of your abuse of others...feel free to add to the list...this particular site limits itself, mostly, to the above limited list, hence the complaint of "brilliant people" riding roughshod over crap like "perception is reality". What NORMAL person wants to stroll through crap? You either clean it up or ride roughshod over it, no? :-)

The "church" has always had MORE money to spend on "censoring" GOODNESS because their shaman powers depend on us all wandering around in a stupor wondering why there is so much "evil". Enter "atheists" who also thrive from so much "evil" as proof that there is no "god" - huh? But we all know that the "authorities" left in places like the Vatican and the atheists/agnostics all have the same GOAL - giving to Caesar what is God's.

This kind of brutal censorship of GOODNESS through pseudo-religious avenues is, once again, at a high pitch in USA.

Religious freedom is ALWAYS under attack. ALWAYS. And the way it is done is through the INSTITUTION that evolved to NURTURE the "peacemakers" - the "church" itself. It's twisted, machiavellian political ploys that HAVE been going on, with increasing hysteria, ever since their reign of POWER in the european Dark Ages was broken by the Renaissance.

We have an ABSOLUTE moral obligation to protect GOODNESS. "Evil" is brutally censoring people living lives that are original and new expressions of TRUTH.

THAT's the fruit of warrantless surveillance - prove that it isn't!

Overnight, we'd see that "evil" is just a well paid cockroach with a megaphone being allowed to judge who is NOT Jesus-like.

Ironically, Jesus NEVER set that "test" up, did he? Did Jesus ever say we should judge each other by how well we are ape-ing Jesus? Heck, Jesus never even wrote anything down precisely so that we would not USE him to judge each other as jesus-deficient!

Religionists AND scientists in "gangs" are as creepy and damaging as street gangs, aren't they, in their own way?

What we have is a unification of goals by ALL gangs for the same "ends" - POWER.

What are they ALL doing?

Amplifying the "evil" by censoring TRUTH spoken by GOOD people

AND

taking away a QUALITY of life-maintenance

(that we EARNED for ourselves, btw, because we LABORED OVER CENTURIES TO EVOLVE IT)

that keeps people protected (good food, enough sleep, clean, protective environment) against becoming delusional through brain washing crap like "perception IS reality"....

Another blog was having this same discussion and someone offered this article by Pastor Kieth Giles. I thought it needed to be passed on.

Is the church worthy of a Nobel Prize for Peace?

Kieth Giles pastor in Orange County, Calif., and blogger at “Subversive Underground,” raises a provocative point about the church:
He writes:

I see a lot of chatter on the internet today about Obama winning the Nobel Prize for Peace. Most of my friends are upset at the decision, and perhaps they have a point regarding our President’s meager list of accomplishments in the area of peace making.
Should Obama have won the Nobel Prize for Peace? No, the Christian Church should have, and this is what should concern us more. Rather than list our President’s lack of accomplishment in the area of peace, why don’t we look at ourselves and ask why we, the ambassadors of the Prince of Peace, are not known for our peacemaking? Why aren’t we upset at our own failure to advocate peace in our world?
Is the Christian Church largely known for her strong support of peaceful non-violence? Or is she mostly seen standing on the side of those who wave the flag and support the torture of prisoners and defend war as a means to resolution of conflict?
What we should be most ashamed of is our own failure to embrace the message of peace. What we should be most outraged about is our failure to be ministers of reconciliation.
Perhaps Obama hasn’t done enough to deserve recogition for bringing peace to this planet, but the Christian Church has done far less, and she has had much more opportunity and time to make a difference.

I think he deserves the spoils of war, and nothing more. And the Nobel prize is worth nothing now but a good thing from the past.

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MJA

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