Glenn: What do you think is the secret to, uh, some of the neighborhoods in Philadelphia have a lot of racial conflict. What do you think is the secret to living together peacefully?

Jim: Umm, I think, then, there again, we're, we're self-serving. You know, we, uh, we like who we are, uh, we respect our, uh, our nationality and our, umm, umm, own individual, uh, backgrounds, and, umm, we've more or less feel threatened by anyone who wants to, uh, in any way, umm, not share in that, you know? It's, uh, I don't think it's, I, I think the, the whole idea of becoming one, okay, is, is, umm, there's a lot of confusion about that. I think that in order to become, we can become one spiritually, but we're not gonna become one physically, you know, or from the human standpoint of who we are. That would be like trying to make, umm, sour green apples into Delicious red apples and I think that's the job of God. And I think God created, created us. It's, I think it's a matter of, of just appreciating what, what was created and giving that an opportunity to be, umm, what the Creator wanted it to e and then appreciate it for its own, uh, value, it own worth. I mean sour green apples have, have a useful purpose, so do red Delicious apples, you know? And we don't all have to like them. You know. We can choose to like one or the other, but I don't think we should interfere with, uh, you know, the creative process. W--, we should learn to, uh, uh, respect that. And I think if we can, if we can do that, that would, then that would, umm, more or less, umm, give us a better understanding on how we're to get along as human beings. So, again, it, it, it belongs to the educational process. It belongs to the educational system. You know? And umm, I remember when I grew up, and I, one of, one of the most, umm, memorable things I have about go back to the third grade. I have some understanding of the first and second grade. And, uh, most of those things are where I was embarrassed or something wrong happened. Uh, but in the third grade I though th--hat that was a, uh, real, that was the beginning of my learning process. And one of the things that, umm, that I remember was, uh, across the top of the blackboard was "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

And I think it comes from a place where they, umm, where they want to self-improve. I think it stems from that. And, umm, here's, here's a country where you have an opportunity to better yourself. So people come here, trying to better themselves, and if they see someone better than them, I guess, or whatever, that, that that's somewhat disturbing to them and, umm. The only way to get by all that is to have some kind of a spiritual component. There's no other way to do that because otherwise all you see is what your eyes see and there's no way to be, there's no way to be a part of that process that unites you to the place where you can say, uh, "I love my brother." You know.