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April 10th, 2009
Wintley Phipps

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BOB ABERNETHY, anchor:  As Christians celebrate Easter and their belief that Jesus rose from the dead, hope is a central theme.  Hope also has been prominent in the life and music of Gospel singer Wintley Phipps.  Phipps has been performing for more than 30 years.  He got rave reviews in January when he sang at President Obama’s Inaugural Prayer Service.  He doesn’t do a lot of interviews, but he did sit down with Kim Lawton.

Pastor WINTLEY PHIPPS (singing at National Prayer Service, Washington National Cathedral):  “Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound . . .”

KIM LAWTON:  Grammy-nominated Gospel singer Wintley Phipps is a familiar voice at big national events.  At President Barack Obama’s National Prayer Service following his Inauguration, Phipps’s rendition of “Amazing Grace” brought the entire National Cathedral audience, including the new president and first lady, to their feet.  But he says it’s just as meaningful to him when he sings in places like prisons.

Pastor  PHIPPS:  There is a sense that you’re giving hope to people who really need it.

LAWTON:  For Phipps, who is also a Seventh-day Adventist pastor, music is a ministry and, he says, one of the deepest expressions of his Christian faith.

“I would dream that I was flying to faraway places in the world and meeting important people when I was six, seven years old”.

Pastor PHIPPS:  Music is almost to me an echo of the sounds of the divine world.  And when you hear these sounds, it stirs something deeply spiritual within you.  Music also is the most powerful way of impressing the human mind with hope.

LAWTON:  Hope has been a hallmark, not only of Phipps’s musical career, but in his charitable efforts as well.  In 1998, Phipps founded the Dream Academy, a national non-profit for at-risk kids.  Born in Trinidad, he says hope was crucial in overcoming his own at-risk childhood.

Pastor PHIPPS:  I was born to a troubled home.  And I used to get away from my parents’ troubles — I had a little red tricycle.  And I’d go in the back yard of my house and I would turn the tricycle on its side and use one of the backside wheels as a steering wheel.  And I would sit there for hours.  And I would dream that I was flying to faraway places in the world and meeting important people when I was six, seven years old.  And then I wanted to be like Tom Jones.  I’d go around the house singing, “It’s not unusual to be loved.”   I just wanted to be Tom.  But something was missing to me.

LAWTON:  Despite a difficult family life, Phipps says his mother always prayed for him and told him that God had a special plan for his life.  As a teenager, Phipps embraced her faith as his own.

Pastor PHIPPS:  At the age of 16, God walked into my life and said, “I’ve seen your dreams. Give me your dreams.  And I’ll let you see what I’ve been dreaming for you.”

LAWTON:  He attended an historically Black Seventh-day Adventist College in Alabama, where he met Linda, now his wife of 32 years.  Then, Phipps says, God began providing opportunities for him to sing in national venues such as a 1984 appearance on “Saturday Night Live” with Jesse Jackson.  He came to the attention of Billy Graham’s team and became a frequent performer at the evangelist’s crusades.

Pastor PHIPPS (singing a presidential dinner):  Talk about a child that do love Jesus.

One of the most exciting things that can ever happen in a child’s life is to know that , “You mean God thinks about me? Or God dreams about me?”

LAWTON:  Phipps also became a favorite in Washington.  He’s sung for every president since Ronald Reagan.

Pastor PHIPPS:  I’ve never had a manager or never had an agent.  And yet some of the most wonderful moments that a singer could ever dream of have happened to me.  And I believe it’s providential.

LAWTON:  The idea for the Dream Academy came after he got involved with a prison ministry.

Pastor PHIPPS:  I did not know that so many young men in prison looked like my sons.  And when I saw it I was shaken.  One of every three young black men in America between the ages of 18 and 30 are in prison today or supervised by the court system either on probation or parole.

LAWTON:  Phipps then learned that 60 percent of the young people who end up in prison are the children of prisoners.  He wanted to break the cycle of intergenerational incarceration.  The Dream Academy offers after-school mentoring and interactive academic tutoring to children of prisoners and kids falling behind at school.

Pastor PHIPPS:  One of the most exciting things that can ever happen in a child’s life is to know that , “You mean God thinks about me?  Or God dreams about me?”  And he’s got a dream for my life?”  And when you catch a little glimpse of what that dream is, wow, it changes everything.

LAWTON:  Phipps has enlisted the support of some of his famous connections for the project.  One of his biggest benefactors is his longtime friend Oprah Winfrey.  The lesson of faith, he says, is that things aren’t always as they seem and that hardship can be overcome.  In these uncertain economic times, he’s released a new music DVD called, “No Need to Fear.”  For Phipps, it ties back to the Christian belief in the resurrection of Jesus.

Pastor PHIPPS:  To know that I can put my faith in someone who walked out of a grave. The Easter message to me is a message of tremendous hope.  And if we don’t have to fear death, what else is there that should cause us to fear?  Nothing.

(singing at Easter event):  Arise my love.  Arise my love.  The grave no longer has a hold on you.

LAWTON:  It’s a theme he finds throughout the old spirituals that he often performs.

“A lot of people don’t realize that just about all Negro spirituals are written on the black notes of the piano.”

Pastor PHIPPS (singing):  Swing low sweet chariot, coming for to carry me home . . .

The Negro spiritual teaches us that you’re going come up rough sides of mountains.  And you’re going to have difficulties.  But faith gives you that ability to weather any storm.

(singing):  I looked over Jordan and what did I see?

LAWTON:  It’s the core theme as well for the song that has become his signature, “Amazing Grace.”  He finds great spiritual lessons in the history of the song.

Pastor PHIPPS:  A lot of people don’t realize that just about all Negro spirituals are written on the black notes of the piano.  And they just keep recurring.  Probably the most famous White spiritual that’s built on this slave scale was written by a man by the name of John Newton who, before he became a Christian, used to be the captain of a slave ship and many believe heard this melody that sounds very much like a West African sorrow chant (hums tune of “Amazing Grace”).  And it has a haunting, haunting plaintive quality to it that reaches past your arrogance, past your pride, and it speaks to that part of you that’s in bondage.  And we feel it.  We feel it.  It’s just one of the most amazing melodies in all of human history.

(performing “Amazing Grace” on stage):  To sing God’s praise than when we’ve  first begun.  Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Amen.

LAWTON:  Another lesson, he says, on how hope always triumphs.  I’m Kim Lawton in Vero Beach, Florida.

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#1

I wish you would interview someone from the Seventh-day Adventist Church, headquartered in Silver Spring, MD 301-680-6000 on what they believe. should be very interesting.

Thanks, Ray Young

#2

Pastor Phipps well done keep up the good work your are doing for the Kingdom may God bless you, your family and your Ministry
with regards,
Godfrey Mugova ( my email address is as follows:} godfreegodfrey@hotmail.com

#3

This was a powerful interview. It is wonderful not to simply know the Negro spiritual, but to understand it. There is power in this depth of knowledge that transcends the adjective preceding spiritual. May God bless Pastor Phipps and Channel 13 for airing this episode of Religion and Ethics.

#4

Pastor Phipps I Martha Brown has always’ gotten the chance too listen too your God given talent God has Blessed you and your faimly and me i want to thank you so much and i know you wilbe and that you will see God thak you always with love Martha Brown.

#5

I would like to know more about his Dream Academy. I am very impressed and would like to share his story and that of the academy with others. How does he hire his teachers?

#6

I’ve always loved ‘Amazing Grace’, but not the words. As a result, I have a Native American version w/words that I don’t understand, and love it much more. How interesting to find out that this powerful tune was actually an African death chant…one usurped by Keyes, overwritten by him with Christian words/concepts, with no credit given to the origins. And why is that not surprising?

#7

Your ministry is a belssing. You have truly lived your moto that “you don’t have to compromise to be recognized”. May God continue to use you.

#8

Pastor Phipps — Blessed by God thru Christ Jesus with a powerful, inspirational voice in praises to God. As a 7th Day Adventist, we believe in the Bible, the whole Bible — Jesus Christ as our Lord, Saviour and Redeemer.

#9

THanks Pr Phipps. I am always touched with the work you are doing. I want to invite you to my church (Mariakani Adventist Church)in Kenya so that more of my friends/people benefit from your song service. How can I contact you (e-mail address). God bless you and your work.

#10

Delighted! That is how am feeling right now as a fellow colleague in Ministry. And why? Because from this interview God is speaking, reminding all of humanity that when one honors Him, they will ride on the high places of the earth, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken it. Let us remember though that all glory belongs to him. Am praying for you Pastor Phipps, your family and ministry. To God be the glory!

#11

Mary the old authors of books or music all felt that you were well enough read or versed to know who had written. It is in the age of electronics that we have forgotten how to read. We sit transfixed in front of a machine rather than letting our minds be exercised as we read what another person’s sees or hears.

Besides that the law did not require the credit to be given as to who had first come up with the idea. “Everything that needs to have been said has been said, but since no one was listening it needs to be said again.” I do not know who said it but is sooooo true.

#12

I thank you,Pastor Phipps for sharing how your dreams and aspirations, through faith in Christ Jesus, came to fruition. It gives hope to anyone – willing. Enjoy watching you from time to time on the 3ABN channel. Is your music available for purchase in our Adventist Book Stores? May God continue to bless you more than you could ever hope for. Amen and Amen

#13

His CD’S are available at Adventist Book Centers nation wide, thanks.

#14

To God be the glory! Thank you Lord for what you have done in the life of this gentleman. I love Wintley Phipps, his ministry and his music. He has been an inspiration even to many persons, young and old, who have never met him personally.

I am proud to be a Seventh-day Adventist and to know that we have brethren of that caliber.

#15

Thank you, Kim Lawton, for sharing not only the aired interview but the extended interview as well. I believe Wintley Phipps is Providentially used by God ‘for such a time as this.’ He is a ray of hope.

#16

Thank you Pr. Phipps. May God continue to use you. How can we send a donation to your school. I knew your mother briefly in Willowdale, Ont. She was living in the Gold Finch Apts. A Godly Woman for Jesus. Sincerely,
Liisa Fults-My husband is a pastor in the Oregon S.D.A. conference, but we are soon relocating to the IIIinois conference, to the Chicago Area.

#17

PR PHIPPS & PR BARRY BLACK HAVE BLESSED MY LIFE TREMENDOUSLY THRU SONGS & PREACHING.
HOPE TO SEE AND HEAR BOTH OF YOU IN BARBADOS, WEST INDIES AGAIN. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK, IF NOT ABLE TO SEE OR HEAR IN B’DOS, MAY GOD KEEP US TO MEET IN HEAVEN SOME DAY SOON.

#18

I wont to know all about Wintley Phipps.

#19

I have enjoyed this inspiring article and interview on Whitley Phipps. Seeing how God has used and is using him for his service. He had many hard days even in Los Angeles trying to get to College. He never let go of God and he has richly blessed him. May he continue to work for God and his dreams will go on for other young people.When they hold on to God.

#20

I have enjoyed Pastor Phipps music minstry for many, many years! I thank God for using his voice to inspire and bless so many hungry souls who are looking for answers and hope in this troubled world! Thank you PBS for showcasing such a talented, giving and God-fearing man.

#21

Pastor Wintley Phipps is a man of God and his music has inspired thousands,yea, millions. Thank you for using your God given gifts to edify God’s people. Trinidad and Tobago is proud of its Son Wintley Augustus Phipps.

#22

The Trini with the unforgettable voice and he has a passion for breaking the circle of incarceration. This is a manifestation of what God can do.
W O W

#23

I can’t believe he never had a manager or an agent…on second thought; GOD is his manager/agent “he placed a dream with in his heart…” look at this link how God has used him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1LcUtaps7k

#24

This Trinidadian is an amazing singer. He would have been an excellent calypsonian but he is using his God given talent for a higher service

#25

Let’s get the history of the song correct.
From NPR.org:
Newton supplied the lyrics, but the tune sung today arrived much later. Turner says that in Newton’s day, the song would have been sung “to another song that fit its meter” — if it were sung at all. And “Amazing Grace” continued to be associated with a number of different tunes throughout much of the 19th century. In 1835, “…the tune that we now sing… was married to the words of John Newton,” Turner says. That same year a South Carolina singing instructor named William Walker published a widely popular hymn book combining the now-familiar tune with Newton’s words.

I also found several references to the melody being Irish or Scottish and seemed to be written for the bagpipes. The melody was originally taken from a tune called “New Britain”.

#26

I thank God that Mr. Phipps uses his voice to praise the Living God; and my hope is that everyone who hears his songs will be touched and drawn to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Continue lifting up the Lord in song of praise, Mr. Phipps. God bless you and your family.

#27

From an 80’s album Color of Love, I need/want/desire to get either sheet music and/or accomp. tracks for HE IS ABLE (written by Jon Mohr, as sung by Phipps.) Anyone have any ideas?

#28

WHAT a MOVER. Relly has talant.

#29

I WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WINTLET PHIPPS

#30

Praise God… what a strong witness… a real privilege to hear of this man of God. A real valueable ministry also… Kairos is a great ministry inside prisons… you have a program to break the cycle… praise God for this man and his ministries… WOW!

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