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April 24th, 2009
Holocaust by Bullets

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BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: Finally, this week of Holocaust Remembrance Day, the story of Father Patrick Desbois, a French Catholic priest whose grandfather’s World War II legacy led to what became for Father Desbois a sacred mission to seek out the aging witnesses of the Nazi massacre of Jews in Ukraine. They told him what they had seen as children, and what they had even been forced to assist with. Then they led him to the mass graves.

Father PATRICK DESBOIS (Yahad-In Unum): I began by Ukraine because, in the beginning, it was a private story. I wanted only to find back the memory of my grandfather, and also where was the corpses of the Jews, and to bury them with dignity. And suddenly I discovered it was an extermination — not camp, but a continent of extermination.

In East, they shot the Jews in public. Holocaust was in public. Secret was from West, but no secret in East. All the village was watching; all the neighbors were watching.

They were poor people, and the Nazis, they used the Soviet system of requisition to force them to work. They were forced to dig the grave, to carry the Jews in carts with horses from the village to the mass grave, to fulfill the mass grave at night, to bring back the furniture of Jewish houses and to sell them, etc.

And all these people, who have been children forced by the Nazis, they want to speak today before to die.

(From Video of Ukrainian Witnesses):

UNIDENTIFIED MALE WITNESS # 1: The people were put in a line, completely undressed. I saw this with my own eyes.

INTERVIEWER: Could you show us where the graves are?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE WITNESS # 2: They’re over there. Seeing those people who were still moving inside the grave, I felt sick.

Fr. DESBOIS: You know, 60 years after they still remember the last words of the dead people. They kept this secret. One woman told me, “Father, I was dreaming all my life to find somebody to say that.”

(From Video of Ukrainian Witnesses):

UNIDENTIFIED MALE WITNESS # 3 (sitting with woman): They had rifles with bayonets. The bayonets were used to push the people in the grave.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE WITNESS # 4: We cried when we said goodbye. They were my friends, my schoolmates, David and Gricha.

Fr. DESBOIS: They know I don’t come to judge. I come to know the truth, to establish the evidences because of the deniers, and also to find back the corpses so they will receive a prayer and the dignity. If I don’t do it, who will do it?

DAVID MARWELL, PhD (Director, Museum of Jewish Heritage): Many will say it took a Catholic priest to travel all the way to the Ukraine and to unlock these memories and to locate and identify these graves. There are literally millions of people who are unnamed and whose graves are unmarked for whom Patrick Desbois has carried out a kind of sacred mission to identify their final resting place.

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#1

I have a friend who, at the age of 6, went to Azbekistan with her family from the Ukraine. When they returned after the war all her classmates, family, and friends had been murdered. Ukraine as well as Poland seems to be an immense graveyard of Jews. The horror never ceases.

#2

Although I commend Father Desbois for his mission to “unlock the memories” of the Ukranianns who witnessed the execution of hundreds of thousands of Jews,I am chagrined that no mention of the fact that the Ukranians were willing participants to this massacre .This fact is well known and documented in the Jewish community and I heard this firsthand from my late father and his brother, who is still alive in Florida.Both brothers survived the nazi holocaust in Europe by hiding in the Polish woods with the Partisans for almost two years As I grew up I heard these stories first hand from survivors who were friends of my father and uncle Jewishs
.Maybe the Ukranians who”witnessed” these atrocities have nightmares about the active participation of their fathers and uncles.You will not find any Jews in the Ukraine because those who survived fled to Israel to escape from the traditionally and fundamentally anti-semitic Ukranians who have a history of hundreds of years of Pogroms against the Jews.

Do your due dilligence and rebut the gist response if you will.Talk to Elie Weisel or Simon Weisenthal

May G-d have mercy on the souls of those who were massacred

#3

I must agree with comment #2 from Joseph Frymer. The same “scenario” took place in the woods of Belarus. This was before the concentration camps and therefore many of us who lost relatives have no way to trace them. Even before the Nazis arrived, I knew survivors of pogroms who remember seeing, just before they lost consciousnes, a shiny metal cross dangling before their eyes as their attacker bent bent over them. Over the years I have met many descendants of non-Jewish immigrants from these areas of Eastern Europe and cannot resist the tendency to wonder what they heard from their parents or grandparents.

#4

I think the Ukrainian assistance in the murder of the jewish people was addressed very well in “Lost- the search for six in six million.” The Ukrainians had there own times of horror and trials. Its not an excuse but a fact of history. I personally don’t understand the witnessing and participating in such horrible events. Yet what comes to mind are the people of now, who turn there backs on the cries of abused children. Turn there backs on the starving right in their neighborhoods. Turn our backs when people are chosen to be persecuted.

But once I saw the historical background, it clicked into place. People need someone to blame, the innocent bystander to take our pain out on. It happens everyday in life. I am greatfull that there are people like Father Patrick Desbois. Remebering those lost, bringing them back to us. Bringing them to the minds of a new generation. We must keep this going. We must never forget. Then to ask the undeniable question; What would I have done differently? Within the context of that question begin living the answer in our daily lives. God Bless.

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