Tutu and Franklin: The Past (continue)

DR. FRANKLIN: --lasted for 300 years, and that might have ended on a better note, had we had the courage, and the national courage--

ARCHBISHOP TUTU: Yes.

DR. FRANKLIN: --to, to--to really eradicate as much of the vestiges of it as possible. We did not have that courage and the result is that we sort of started over again with a kind of, of, of--of degradation that was not based on chattel slavery--

ARCHBISHOP TUTU: Yes.

DR. FRANKLIN: --but was based upon all of the views that were cherished, and held during slavery--

ARCHBISHOP TUTU: Yes.

DR. FRANKLIN: --and that now were sort of venerated by those people who were sorry that slavery ended, you see.

ARCHBISHOP TUTU: Uh-huh; uh-huh. Uh-huh.

DR. FRANKLIN: And the result is that you, you complicate the matter, almost hopelessly, by, by carrying on the, the--the way in which we lived for the last 100, 100 odd years, and by not really being true to ourself, and to our nation's history, by remembering exactly how it happened,--

ARCHBISHOP TUTU: Yes.

DR. FRANKLIN: --what happened, and--

ARCHBISHOP TUTU: Absolutely..

DR. FRANKLIN: --how it happened. And so, so we, we complicated our picture, hopelessly, by the way in which we, quote, saw, unquote, the problem of slavery.

(The Present)